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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:05 am

Revelation wrote:
What we don't seem to have had was the "come to Jesus" moment where Boeing admits it let commercial goals drive a series of unacceptable engineering decisions and FAA admits it left Boeing to its own devices far too much. At best we had some apologies without admissions. I can imagine that behind the scenes people who were closely associated with the decisions that led to the tragedy have been pushed aside or shown the door, but that's only my imagination at work.


Please note that criminal investigations are still ongoing. It might take a few years before things have been sorted out, but in a few years from now I expect to see some people going to jail for what they have done with the MAX.
Good moaning!
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:29 pm

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BowlingShoeDC9 wrote:
Which again assuming that sales split held on the MAX, explains why the two crashes were both MAX-8s.


Up to the two crashes only the MAX-8s were certified and delivered so there was no chance that any other variant of the MAX could crash as none were in service.


Nope -9's were operating by then as well. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-03-21 ... -737-MAX-9
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:42 pm

morrisond wrote:
FluidFlow wrote:
BowlingShoeDC9 wrote:
Which again assuming that sales split held on the MAX, explains why the two crashes were both MAX-8s.


Up to the two crashes only the MAX-8s were certified and delivered so there was no chance that any other variant of the MAX could crash as none were in service.


Nope -9's were operating by then as well. https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2018-03-21 ... -737-MAX-9


Oh thanks for the update, I must have a slip in my datasheet, I had March 2019 for the MAX-9.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:58 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:
Please note that criminal investigations are still ongoing.


In what jurisdictions are criminal investigations ongoing, please?
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:20 pm

PepeTheFrog wrote:
Revelation wrote:
What we don't seem to have had was the "come to Jesus" moment where Boeing admits it let commercial goals drive a series of unacceptable engineering decisions and FAA admits it left Boeing to its own devices far too much. At best we had some apologies without admissions. I can imagine that behind the scenes people who were closely associated with the decisions that led to the tragedy have been pushed aside or shown the door, but that's only my imagination at work.


Please note that criminal investigations are still ongoing. It might take a few years before things have been sorted out, but in a few years from now I expect to see some people going to jail for what they have done with the MAX.

Don't hold your breath on that one. You'll have a very had time finding a federal statute that somebody at Boeing can be convicted of that includes jail time.

Some kind of SEC violations are the best they'll do.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:23 pm

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Does anyone have any idea how many certification flights there will be? Will they someway fail the AoA sensor and see what happens or is that done in a simulator?

Do they intentionally fail an engine at V1 for certification? I don't know but I'd imagine the answer would be the same for the AoA sensor. Software behavior can be proven in an engineering simulator.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:51 pm

I think they do. AFAIK they even kill it the hard way with fuel cut off.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

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