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IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 9:46 am

Just finished listening to IAGs Q1 call and I’ll summarise:

747 and 777Es are all owned so are easy to retire. The focus of course is on the 747s which we all know their retirement will be accelerated. How many, if any will come back is still to be determined and will depend on how demand comes back.

some 777s will be converted to fully cargo aircraft as cargo has been profitable for BA this time around

Fleet refurbishments are still going ahead but the mix of premium and non premium seats will very likely change both for new deliveries and refurbishment.

787/350 will be the aircraft to restart long haul operations As the group aims to operate about 50% of flying again. By the end of July.

ALSO 777X seems to have been delayed as delivery of 2022 long haul jets now falls by 8 exactly which was the number expected to come in in that year and the remaining 9 Airbus deliveries are in place.

between 2020 and 2021 there’s only been a reduction of 3 long haul deliveries. 2021 remained the same at 9 but 2020 came down by 3 25 to 22 (I assume the 777s that were to be leased) This is because going into next year these aircrafts have been paid for and financing secured so it makes more economical sense to take them on

as the months go on the story will develop

the IAG group deliveries has fallen by 68

The group also has the flexibility to return up to 96 leased aircraft. 20 are confirmed to go back this year.

Funny enough no 350s have been delayed. BA intends on taking all 35Ks as and when due. Even the last two in 2022

https://assets.main.pro2.maf.wdc.west.c ... _PRINT.pdf
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 9:50 am

Some points above were answered by WW in the Q&A
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 10:14 am

Thanks for the info.

The bit of premium VS non premium capacity change is worrying/puzzling me. Are they trying to add more economy class seats thus make the aircraft carry more passengers? Shouldn't they have the premium heavy to maintain capacity rather than increase it since the forecasted load factor will be much lower?

Just curious on their plan and action regarding the premium seating rebalance.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 11:09 am

chonetsao wrote:
Thanks for the info.

The bit of premium VS non premium capacity change is worrying/puzzling me. Are they trying to add more economy class seats thus make the aircraft carry more passengers? Shouldn't they have the premium heavy to maintain capacity rather than increase it since the forecasted load factor will be much lower?

Just curious on their plan and action regarding the premium seating rebalance.

They’re trying to reduce premium seating as of course there will be much reduced demand for premium seating. Don’t forget BA is extremely premium heavy so they have to reduce their exposure to that
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 11:50 am

Well, G-LCYJ has just left NWI where she has been parked for a good amount of time. Could be for keeping crew current or anything else of course, but interesting to see if she heads to LCY and stays there!
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 11:55 am

Opus99 wrote:
Fleet refurbishments are still going ahead but the mix of premium and non premium seats will very likely change both for new deliveries and refurbishment.


Was something said if this is expected to be an increase or reduction of premium seats? I assume decrease, due to less business travel in near future.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 11:55 am

Apparently G-LCYJ, S, and T are all due to be flown from Norwich to London City today. LCY has been opened just for today to allow some ferry/maintenance/training flights. G-LCYE is going to Warsaw for maintenance and the crew are bringing back G-LCYO also.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 11:56 am

Did IAG announce whether any staff are to be made redundant in other airlines in the group other than British Airways?
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 12:14 pm

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0 ... jobs-cuts/

I'm not sure about Iberia, Vueling and Level but Aer Lingus has said it is in talks with unions about cutting up to 900 jobs (around 20% of workforce).
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 12:18 pm

Spanish press publishing something similar "BA and Vueling will make workforce adjustment to adapt to three years of low demand".

https://cincodias.elpais.com/cincodias/ ... 33804.html
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 12:29 pm

So BA are converting some 777’s to fully cargo aircraft?

How does that work?
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 12:35 pm

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So BA are converting some 777’s to fully cargo aircraft?

How does that work?

Presumably the same way the Airbus models are done as per articles at flightglobal.com.

The economy seats are removed and the seat rails provide tie downs for pallets on the main deck.

Premium seats are a lot of effort to remove so they are left in place.
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 12:54 pm

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Did IAG announce whether any staff are to be made redundant in other airlines in the group other than British Airways?


Yes on the call. WW said that because of the labour law requirements in the UK, they have had to announce these first, but likely more will come from the rest of the Group airlines. Aer Lingus has already made an announcement as said above
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 1:11 pm

lhrnue wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Fleet refurbishments are still going ahead but the mix of premium and non premium seats will very likely change both for new deliveries and refurbishment.


Was something said if this is expected to be an increase or reduction of premium seats? I assume decrease, due to less business travel in near future.

Very much in the way of reduction of premium
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 1:43 pm

If the high Premium cabins are the ones more exposed to this lack of demand, I guess BA is the most exposed airline to this issue within the group.

Are there any figures of fleet reductions by airline?
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 1:54 pm

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If the high Premium cabins are the ones more exposed to this lack of demand, I guess BA is the most exposed airline to this issue within the group.

Are there any figures of fleet reductions by airline?

No reduction by airline but you can usually figure out a few things if you know their business well. For example there supposed to 17 long haul deliveries in 2022 1 A330 8 A350s and 7 779s so essentially 9 Airbus 8 Boeing. But now there are only 9 long haul deliveries. It’s pretty obvious it’s the 779 that’s been deferred, I’m sure it was a mutual agreement because Boeing knows BAs 779 won’t be ready in 2022

BUT WW also made a note that return of old fleet will also be determined by the size of their premium cabins so. Your super High Js may not return v quickly or at all because they have a lot of exposure in an economic downturn
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 5:00 pm

Was there any mention of the 4 77Ws meant to be delivered starting this summer?
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 5:08 pm

Opus99 wrote:
a350lover wrote:
If the high Premium cabins are the ones more exposed to this lack of demand, I guess BA is the most exposed airline to this issue within the group.

Are there any figures of fleet reductions by airline?

No reduction by airline but you can usually figure out a few things if you know their business well. For example there supposed to 17 long haul deliveries in 2022 1 A330 8 A350s and 7 779s so essentially 9 Airbus 8 Boeing. But now there are only 9 long haul deliveries. It’s pretty obvious it’s the 779 that’s been deferred, I’m sure it was a mutual agreement because Boeing knows BAs 779 won’t be ready in 2022

BUT WW also made a note that return of old fleet will also be determined by the size of their premium cabins so. Your super High Js may not return v quickly or at all because they have a lot of exposure in an economic downturn

It's not obvious that the 777X will be delayed in such a way described by you, it could be a proportionate reduction from both A and B, don't forget that Airbus is also cutting rates. I believe it just so happens that the reduction in LR from A+B is the same number as 777X. If I'm BA, I would want the first 777Xs to come in by then so that the A380s could be sent off.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 5:13 pm

Opus99 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Thanks for the info.

The bit of premium VS non premium capacity change is worrying/puzzling me. Are they trying to add more economy class seats thus make the aircraft carry more passengers? Shouldn't they have the premium heavy to maintain capacity rather than increase it since the forecasted load factor will be much lower?

Just curious on their plan and action regarding the premium seating rebalance.

They’re trying to reduce premium seating as of course there will be much reduced demand for premium seating.

There will be much reduced demand for economy seating as well, so this isn’t as self-explanatory as you suggest.
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 5:24 pm

Special wrote:
Was there any mention of the 4 77Ws meant to be delivered starting this summer?

I believe they’re being leased and are no longer coming.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 5:55 pm

Jetty wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Thanks for the info.

The bit of premium VS non premium capacity change is worrying/puzzling me. Are they trying to add more economy class seats thus make the aircraft carry more passengers? Shouldn't they have the premium heavy to maintain capacity rather than increase it since the forecasted load factor will be much lower?

Just curious on their plan and action regarding the premium seating rebalance.

They’re trying to reduce premium seating as of course there will be much reduced demand for premium seating.

There will be much reduced demand for economy seating as well, so this isn’t as self-explanatory as you suggest.

This was what WW Said on the call? So I don’t know what is self explanatory there
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 6:01 pm

jeffrey0032j wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
a350lover wrote:
If the high Premium cabins are the ones more exposed to this lack of demand, I guess BA is the most exposed airline to this issue within the group.

Are there any figures of fleet reductions by airline?

No reduction by airline but you can usually figure out a few things if you know their business well. For example there supposed to 17 long haul deliveries in 2022 1 A330 8 A350s and 7 779s so essentially 9 Airbus 8 Boeing. But now there are only 9 long haul deliveries. It’s pretty obvious it’s the 779 that’s been deferred, I’m sure it was a mutual agreement because Boeing knows BAs 779 won’t be ready in 2022

BUT WW also made a note that return of old fleet will also be determined by the size of their premium cabins so. Your super High Js may not return v quickly or at all because they have a lot of exposure in an economic downturn

It's not obvious that the 777X will be delayed in such a way described by you, it could be a proportionate reduction from both A and B, don't forget that Airbus is also cutting rates. I believe it just so happens that the reduction in LR from A+B is the same number as 777X. If I'm BA, I would want the first 777Xs to come in by then so that the A380s could be sent off.

Of course. So would I, that’s also another possibility but seeing as the 777X is probably coming in The middle of 2021 it’s doubtful BA will get 8 in 2022 and all the call they made it clear that the capex for certain aircraft have already been committed and hence were not deferred. Seeing as the 350 and 330 were ordered years ago and already coming in. It’s probably those
 
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skipness1E wrote:
Special wrote:
Was there any mention of the 4 77Ws meant to be delivered starting this summer?

I believe they’re being leased and are no longer coming.


Source?
 
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Opus99 wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
No reduction by airline but you can usually figure out a few things if you know their business well. For example there supposed to 17 long haul deliveries in 2022 1 A330 8 A350s and 7 779s so essentially 9 Airbus 8 Boeing. But now there are only 9 long haul deliveries. It’s pretty obvious it’s the 779 that’s been deferred, I’m sure it was a mutual agreement because Boeing knows BAs 779 won’t be ready in 2022

BUT WW also made a note that return of old fleet will also be determined by the size of their premium cabins so. Your super High Js may not return v quickly or at all because they have a lot of exposure in an economic downturn

It's not obvious that the 777X will be delayed in such a way described by you, it could be a proportionate reduction from both A and B, don't forget that Airbus is also cutting rates. I believe it just so happens that the reduction in LR from A+B is the same number as 777X. If I'm BA, I would want the first 777Xs to come in by then so that the A380s could be sent off.

Of course. So would I, that’s also another possibility but seeing as the 777X is probably coming in The middle of 2021 it’s doubtful BA will get 8 in 2022 and all the call they made it clear that the capex for certain aircraft have already been committed and hence were not deferred. Seeing as the 350 and 330 were ordered years ago and already coming in. It’s probably those


The 777Xs are almost certainly deferred a year out of 2022. The rationale for continuing to take aircraft in 2020 was that financing has been secured on these aircraft. This means that by taking the aircraft, cash come into the company. As an example, BA may have paid 25% of the aircraft in deposit and pre-delivery payments in 2019. In 2020 when they take an aircraft, they pay 75% as a final payment, and at the same time receive 100% of the value of the aircraft from a bank loan or a sale and leaseback. So taking the aircraft strangely results in a positive cashflow
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 6:08 pm

Arion640 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Special wrote:
Was there any mention of the 4 77Ws meant to be delivered starting this summer?

I believe they’re being leased and are no longer coming.


Source?


The 77Ws are likely to be delivered as agreed. You can't just pull out of a lease deal like this 6 months before taking them without massive penalties.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 6:13 pm

Are the two 787-10's at Charleston due anytime soon ?
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Thu May 07, 2020 6:15 pm

jonas12345 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
It's not obvious that the 777X will be delayed in such a way described by you, it could be a proportionate reduction from both A and B, don't forget that Airbus is also cutting rates. I believe it just so happens that the reduction in LR from A+B is the same number as 777X. If I'm BA, I would want the first 777Xs to come in by then so that the A380s could be sent off.

Of course. So would I, that’s also another possibility but seeing as the 777X is probably coming in The middle of 2021 it’s doubtful BA will get 8 in 2022 and all the call they made it clear that the capex for certain aircraft have already been committed and hence were not deferred. Seeing as the 350 and 330 were ordered years ago and already coming in. It’s probably those


The 777Xs are almost certainly deferred a year out of 2022. The rationale for continuing to take aircraft in 2020 was that financing has been secured on these aircraft. This means that by taking the aircraft, cash come into the company. As an example, BA may have paid 25% of the aircraft in deposit and pre-delivery payments in 2019. In 2020 when they take an aircraft, they pay 75% as a final payment, and at the same time receive 100% of the value of the aircraft from a bank loan or a sale and leaseback. So taking the aircraft strangely results in a positive cashflow

Fair points here! I understand
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 6:39 pm

787-10s - in short, no. They finally got over the First seat issue, one aircraft has been painted and the other was about to be painted but then the lockdown restrictions hit.

For anyone interested, the two 777s being "converted" to freighters (having the seats taken out) will be G-YMMG and G-YMMK.
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jonas12345 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
I believe they’re being leased and are no longer coming.


Source?


The 77Ws are likely to be delivered as agreed. You can't just pull out of a lease deal like this 6 months before taking them without massive penalties.


I agree. At least one of the frames would likely be in FAL now.
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 8:24 pm

jonas12345 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
I believe they’re being leased and are no longer coming.


Source?


The 77Ws are likely to be delivered as agreed. You can't just pull out of a lease deal like this 6 months before taking them without massive penalties.

How come they no longer appear on the fleet plans? Depends on the lease BA signed with the airframe owners.
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 9:23 pm

skipness1E wrote:
jonas12345 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Source?


The 77Ws are likely to be delivered as agreed. You can't just pull out of a lease deal like this 6 months before taking them without massive penalties.

How come they no longer appear on the fleet plans? Depends on the lease BA signed with the airframe owners.


Could you please send us a link to the fleet plan?
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Fri May 08, 2020 12:34 am

All this capacity reduction is going to drive prices up, paired with less demand, further reducing demand. That being said BA has LHR and the more premium heavy O/D airport. The A35K are over 100 J/PY seats, the 77Ws were going to hi-J, the 781s are 4 class. Plus what is existing.Very interesting to watch what happens. The less premium the config flown into LHR by BA means more opportunity for connecting Y passengers, what is the effect on Iberia for example in that case? I almost can see a case of the BA "premium" brand growing relative to the LCC brands of IAG.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Fri May 08, 2020 9:28 am

skipness1E wrote:
jonas12345 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Source?


The 77Ws are likely to be delivered as agreed. You can't just pull out of a lease deal like this 6 months before taking them without massive penalties.

How come they no longer appear on the fleet plans? Depends on the lease BA signed with the airframe owners.


The results presentation says that iAG will receive 3 fewer aircraft in 2020 - there were 4 77W's due to be delivered. It's much more likely that IAG has come to an agreement with Airbus and Boeing over the deferral of some A350s and B787s as an overall package rather than an agreement with the lessor, who is likely to be more punitive and less flexible.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Fri May 08, 2020 9:56 am

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iAG will receive 3 fewer aircraft in 2020 - there were 4 77W's due to be delivered. It's much more likely that IAG has come to an agreement with Airbus and Boeing over the deferral of some A350s and B787s as an overall package rather than an agreement with the lessor, who is likely to be more punitive and less flexible.


Were all 4 due this year? If only 3 were due in 2020 those could be the first deferrals. Or it could be 3 x A350 for IB deferred. Good summary here:

"Following COVID-19, BA has changed its fleet plans. It is accelerating the retirement of Boeing 747 aircraft and is temporarily converting some Boeing 777 to freight use. BA is also reviewing the premium / non-premium seating configuration of aircraft, which will also influence which aircraft are selected for retirement.

Its parent company IAG plans to defer the delivery of 68 aircraft between now and 2022. This includes 11 long-haul aircraft and 57 short-haul aircraft. This does not affect IAG’s Letter of Intent to acquire the Boeing 737 MAX.

IAG will also return 20 leased in aircraft in 2020 and has the flexibility to return up to 96 leased aircraft in 2021 and 2022. This could include some leased Boeing 777 aircraft at BA."

https://londonairtravel.com/2020/01/02/ ... lans-2020/
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 10:02 am

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jonas12345 wrote:
iAG will receive 3 fewer aircraft in 2020 - there were 4 77W's due to be delivered. It's much more likely that IAG has come to an agreement with Airbus and Boeing over the deferral of some A350s and B787s as an overall package rather than an agreement with the lessor, who is likely to be more punitive and less flexible.


Were all 4 due this year? If only 3 were due in 2020 those could be the first deferrals. Or it could be 3 x A350 for IB deferred. Good summary here:

"Following COVID-19, BA has changed its fleet plans. It is accelerating the retirement of Boeing 747 aircraft and is temporarily converting some Boeing 777 to freight use. BA is also reviewing the premium / non-premium seating configuration of aircraft, which will also influence which aircraft are selected for retirement.

Its parent company IAG plans to defer the delivery of 68 aircraft between now and 2022. This includes 11 long-haul aircraft and 57 short-haul aircraft. This does not affect IAG’s Letter of Intent to acquire the Boeing 737 MAX.

IAG will also return 20 leased in aircraft in 2020 and has the flexibility to return up to 96 leased aircraft in 2021 and 2022. This could include some leased Boeing 777 aircraft at BA."

https://londonairtravel.com/2020/01/02/ ... lans-2020/


I think we'll just have to wait until the 31st December and revisit this post :)
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Fri May 08, 2020 10:05 am

Anyone managed to figure out what is culled from the single aisle delivery stream. The Airbus O&D tables list a total of 70 outstanding A320 Family deliveries for BA, EI, IB and VY to which add the 3 aircraft delivered to BA earlier this year. No idea how many of any were due post 2022. The IAG before/after shows a total of 92 single aisle deliveries "before". Does this imply 19 737 MAX deliveries have been pushed out until 2023 at the earliest or are there some future leasing company Airbus deliveries in the mix?
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 10:21 am

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The 777Xs are almost certainly deferred a year out of 2022. The rationale for continuing to take aircraft in 2020 was that financing has been secured on these aircraft. This means that by taking the aircraft, cash come into the company. As an example, BA may have paid 25% of the aircraft in deposit and pre-delivery payments in 2019. In 2020 when they take an aircraft, they pay 75% as a final payment, and at the same time receive 100% of the value of the aircraft from a bank loan or a sale and leaseback. So taking the aircraft strangely results in a positive cashflow

In a multi-aircraft order, unless all are being built as consecutive line numbers, the value of milestone payments on each will be different, even if in the same tranche, reflecting the different stages of construction and engine deliveries.

IAG may have paid very little. Many airlines use pre-shipment finance.

75% is not the final payment. The percentage is much less.

A portion of the final value is withheld, so on acceptance, the customer has not paid 100%.

The amount actually paid on later aircraft is lower, as retrospective credits are used in lieu of payment. For example, on say a 10 aircraft order, effectively the last 3 are no charge when credits are applied. Hence unusual and expensive for a customer to cancel part-delivered order, as the value of milestone payments lost are greatly exceeded by potential retrospective credits foregone, which don't accrue on a straight-line basis.

Cancelling an order for aircraft, none of which have been delivered, is a fraction of the cost compared to cancelling an order for aircraft already partly delivered.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 10:43 am

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Anyone managed to figure out what is culled from the single aisle delivery stream. The Airbus O&D tables list a total of 70 outstanding A320 Family deliveries for BA, EI, IB and VY to which add the 3 aircraft delivered to BA earlier this year. No idea how many of any were due post 2022. The IAG before/after shows a total of 92 single aisle deliveries "before". Does this imply 19 737 MAX deliveries have been pushed out until 2023 at the earliest or are there some future leasing company Airbus deliveries in the mix?


AFAIK the 737 Max order is still a Letter of Intent and has not been finalised into a firm order.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Fri May 08, 2020 11:40 am

Any indications what will happen to the IB 340s? Maybe a good time to retire but also seems like with fuel as cheap as it is, may be better to return leases and defer deliveries to lower cash expenditure since they are owned outright.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 11:49 am

LupineChemist wrote:
Any indications what will happen to the IB 340s? Maybe a good time to retire but also seems like with fuel as cheap as it is, may be better to return leases and defer deliveries to lower cash expenditure since they are owned outright.


Similar situation to the 747's at BA I believe. Accelerated retirement but some may be brought back if demand returns quicker than expected.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 11:56 am

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Apparently G-LCYJ, S, and T are all due to be flown from Norwich to London City today. LCY has been opened just for today to allow some ferry/maintenance/training flights. G-LCYE is going to Warsaw for maintenance and the crew are bringing back G-LCYO also.


I think they are slowly bringing the fleet back to LCY, and starting up he necessary training flights, as they(BA Cityflyer) are restarting ops on 1st June.
 
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[quote="EDP]

For anyone interested, the two 777s being "converted" to freighters (having the seats taken out) will be G-YMMG and G-YMMK.[/quote]

By "converted" is it just a temp conversation (just economy seats out) or as talking full on fright conversion here.
 
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Channex101 wrote:
[quote="EDP]

For anyone interested, the two 777s being "converted" to freighters (having the seats taken out) will be G-YMMG and G-YMMK.[/quote]

By "converted" is it just a temp conversation (just economy seats out) or as talking full on fright conversion here.[/quote]


Just temporary - the First cabin is being left in for crew rest - some Chinese freighters (and elsewhere) are being flown round trip to avoid nightstopping crew so requires a crew or 6 or 7 depending on duty length. The bunks only have room for 2 rather than 4.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Fri May 08, 2020 9:30 pm

Channex101 wrote:
[quote="EDP]

For anyone interested, the two 777s being "converted" to freighters (having the seats taken out) will be G-YMMG and G-YMMK.[/quote]

By "converted" is it just a temp conversation (just economy seats out) or as talking full on fright conversion here.[/quote][/quote]


These two frames were due for a refit towards the end of the year anyway. Could probably get away with taking all the seats out!
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Fri May 08, 2020 10:36 pm

With BJ announcing mandatory 14day quarantine for UK inbound traffic, I doubt many planes will be needed in the coming months.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/ne ... 06016.html
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Sat May 09, 2020 6:52 pm

calstanford wrote:
With BJ announcing mandatory 14day quarantine for UK inbound traffic, I doubt many planes will be needed in the coming months.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/ne ... 06016.html


None flying now anyway. You’d expect other countries to want to quarantine passengers inbound from the UK.

Geoff
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Sat May 09, 2020 7:00 pm

calstanford wrote:
With BJ announcing mandatory 14day quarantine for UK inbound traffic, I doubt many planes will be needed in the coming months.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/ne ... 06016.html


But surely it would be prudent to wait until such measures, if inacted at all, are announded before claiming it as 'fact. Currently it only a possibility/rumour but of course the seeming role of journalists, much like a.net sometimes, these days is why bother with actual fact.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Sat May 09, 2020 7:26 pm

Geoff1947 wrote:
calstanford wrote:
With BJ announcing mandatory 14day quarantine for UK inbound traffic, I doubt many planes will be needed in the coming months.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/ne ... 06016.html


None flying now anyway. You’d expect other countries to want to quarantine passengers inbound from the UK.

Geoff


Living right near LHR, there are few flying but not none.
 
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Sat May 09, 2020 7:35 pm

mattyfitzg wrote:
concordeforever wrote:
Apparently G-LCYJ, S, and T are all due to be flown from Norwich to London City today. LCY has been opened just for today to allow some ferry/maintenance/training flights. G-LCYE is going to Warsaw for maintenance and the crew are bringing back G-LCYO also.


I think they are slowly bringing the fleet back to LCY, and starting up he necessary training flights, as they(BA Cityflyer) are restarting ops on 1st June.


Is there really going to be any demand for flights at LCY in June, especially as unlike with larger aircraft, it's not as if you can fill the E Jets with necessary cargo?
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Re: IAG Post Covid Fleet Plan Summary

Sat May 09, 2020 7:41 pm

AirbusA6 wrote:
mattyfitzg wrote:
concordeforever wrote:
Apparently G-LCYJ, S, and T are all due to be flown from Norwich to London City today. LCY has been opened just for today to allow some ferry/maintenance/training flights. G-LCYE is going to Warsaw for maintenance and the crew are bringing back G-LCYO also.


I think they are slowly bringing the fleet back to LCY, and starting up he necessary training flights, as they(BA Cityflyer) are restarting ops on 1st June.


Is there really going to be any demand for flights at LCY in June, especially as unlike with larger aircraft, it's not as if you can fill the E Jets with necessary cargo?


Quite honestly, I have no idea, but with LCYs location to the City and Canary Wharf, and the talks of U.K. Lockdown restrictions easing, id imagine the financial district is where the demand could come from, as it always has been. Additionally with all the talk of BA potentially pulling out of LGW, could we see BA Cityflyer hopping in and out of Gatwick on the more profitable routes, since filling an E190 is easier than a 320?

EDIT: Also, Cityflyer has been relatively untouched in regards to all of these BA cuts, in fact I don’t think there have been any such cuts to the LCY operation. So there must be a plan of some sort for them? Baring in mind they were massively under-crewed pre-COVID.

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