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SpaceshipDC10
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Why did CP Air order only two 727-200s?

Thu May 07, 2020 9:30 pm

Since I may never heard the reason for that, was it to use them on specific routes or perhaps to replace other types, such as DC-8s?

CP Air's livery looked fantastic, and their 72Ss were splendid in it.

 
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Re: Why did CP Air order only two 727-200s?

Thu May 07, 2020 9:56 pm

A quick answer to your question: The Boeing 727-200 and somewhat the 727-100 did not into the fleet requirements of CP Air. CP Air replaced them with Boeing 737-300. They considered the 727s too large an aircraft.
http://cpair.blogspot.com/2007/03/fleet ... -727s.html

The 727-200 was a great aircraft during its era but for some airlines it just did not meet fleet requirements.

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Re: Why did CP Air order only two 727-200s?

Thu May 07, 2020 10:57 pm

baevc10 wrote:
A quick answer to your question: The Boeing 727-200 and somewhat the 727-100 did not into the fleet requirements of CP Air. CP Air replaced them with Boeing 737-300. They considered the 727s too large an aircraft.
http://cpair.blogspot.com/2007/03/fleet ... -727s.html

The 727-200 was a great aircraft during its era but for some airlines it just did not meet fleet requirements.

Be good and safe


CP's 727s were long gone before the short-lived 733s arrived.
 
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Re: Why did CP Air order only two 727-200s?

Fri May 08, 2020 10:21 am

baevc10 wrote:
A quick answer to your question: The Boeing 727-200 and somewhat the 727-100 did not into the fleet requirements of CP Air.


They considered the 727s too large an aircraft.
http://cpair.blogspot.com/2007/03/fleet ... -727s.html



Ok. Good to know, and intersting blog.

CP Air replaced them with Boeing 737-300.


As per the blog you linked the 72Ss were in the fleet until around end of Q1 1984 and the 737-300s delieveries started a year later. I believe they were part of the change of mind when CP cancelled their 767-200s order.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/CP-Air
 
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Re: Why did CP Air order only two 727-200s?

Fri May 08, 2020 1:44 pm

CP Air seems to have a history of picking the wrong aircraft and changing their minds either mid-order or fairly soon after delivery.

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Re: Why did CP Air order only two 727-200s?

Fri May 08, 2020 6:43 pm

beechnut wrote:
CP Air seems to have a history of picking the wrong aircraft and changing their minds either mid-order or fairly soon after delivery.

Been


Yes and no... IT also had a history of being offered routes and then having them either restricted or taken away when the next government came along...

But even so, going back to WW2 they had more hits than misses EXCEPT when the Government got involved:

DC-4M... didn't suit CP as well as the C-54s/DC-4s they wanted but was forced on them.
CV240, DC-6 both worked well
C-54... ended up replacing CPs DC-4Ms and worked a little better as an interim option
Bristol Britannia... drove TCA mad on domestic flights and worked very well Trans-Pacific when the US competition flew B377s, Super Constellations and DC-7Cs.
Comet I/II... well not really CPs fault, would of been a game changer in the South Pacific.
DC-8-40... again forced by Ottawa over CPs preferred DC-8-30
DC-8-50... mostly worked well for CP
DC-8-63... suited CP very well.
727-100... right idea but costs made it less desirable than the similar sized 737-200 by the time they were delivered
727-200... didn't fit the hole in the fleet it was bought for... which ended up not being a hole at all. CP thought it would need them for YVR/YYC-YYZ but ended up not getting the market share they expected.
737-200... suited CP very well
747-200B... only choice and worked well for over a decade
DC-10-30... suited CP very well again
767-200... CP bought it because both AC and Pacific Western were buying it... ended up being convered to more 737-200s and the 737-300s... remember this was the non-ER original 767-200.
737-300... dumped on bad economic outlook and complicated financials after absorbing Nordair and EPA... which also led to the Canadian merger with PW. If it hadn't been for the "Attache" fleet attempt it might of fit better in the balance sheet.
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Re: Why did CP Air order only two 727-200s?

Sat May 09, 2020 4:50 am

According to a timetable from 1978 (http://www.departedflights.com/CP102978intro.html), the 727-200 aircraft were used twice daily between Vancouver and Los Angeles, red-eye flights Toronto-Winnipeg-Calgary-Vancouver and return weekdays, and Toronto-Mexico flights on weekends.

I lived, attended school and church within sight of the Sea-Tac flightpath, and remember one day late in my junior year in high school (1982) seeing one of the CP Air 727-200 planes departing. I recall my excitement as I thought this indicated CP beginning service to Seattle. This later turned to disappointment when I got a closer look at said aircraft (C-GCPB) and noted that the titles had been changed to read "Alaska".
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Re: Why did CP Air order only two 727-200s?

Sat May 09, 2020 11:18 pm

justplanesmart wrote:
According to a timetable from 1978 (http://www.departedflights.com/CP102978intro.html), the 727-200 aircraft were used twice daily between Vancouver and Los Angeles, red-eye flights Toronto-Winnipeg-Calgary-Vancouver and return weekdays, and Toronto-Mexico flights on weekends.


One being named Empress of Los Angeles that's very fitting for the service.

I lived, attended school and church within sight of the Sea-Tac flightpath, and remember one day late in my junior year in high school (1982) seeing one of the CP Air 727-200 planes departing. I recall my excitement as I thought this indicated CP beginning service to Seattle. This later turned to disappointment when I got a closer look at said aircraft (C-GCPB) and noted that the titles had been changed to read "Alaska".


Despite your frustration, you managed to see a short-lived hybrid-livery.

https://www.picuki.com/media/1213635331262922362


"C-GCPB 217(A) 21056/1122 05/82 09/82 LF CP"

http://www.aeromoe.com/fleets/as.html

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