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Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 12:34 am

Eastern Airlines has applied with the DOT for a scheduled interstate certificate.

Carrier says it seeks to commence "low-cost" domestic scheduled service flights between New York JFK and San Diego beginning on or about June 1, 2020 using its B767 aircraft.

Proposed initial schedule:
3x weekly
JFK-SAN 2300-0150
SAN-JFK 0640-1510

For those that are trying to keep track of all these Eastern reincarnations, this latest one is from the ashes of bankrupt Dynamic Airways in 2018, using intellectual property rights inherited from sister company, Swift Air.


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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:02 am

Less than daily , I'm not sure thats gonna work out In that market.

Additionally the time seems crazy. Who wants to land at 150am in San?

Leave San it's the opposite 640am have to wakeup at 4 am to make it and the day is still shot.

No thanks not with those times and less than daily no options when plans change.


Anyone know how the 767 is configured does it have business class?
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:05 am

Won't there be a fine for landing after curfew? You don't want to do that on a regular basis.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 1:07 am

LAXintl wrote:
Eastern Airlines has applied with the DOT for a scheduled interstate certificate.

Carrier says it seeks to commence "low-cost" domestic scheduled service flights between New York JFK and San Diego beginning on or about June 1, 2020 using its B767 aircraft.

Proposed initial schedule:
3x weekly
JFK-SAN 2300-0150
SAN-JFK 0640-1510

For those that are trying to keep track of all these Eastern reincarnations, this latest one is from the ashes of bankrupt Dynamic Airways in 2018, using intellectual property rights inherited from sister company, Swift Air.


OST-2014-0071


Good luck :sarcastic:

a LONE 767? I've seen this movie before and I didn't like it! Looks pretty much like TotalAir with their lone L1011 between SFO and HNL.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:10 am

strfyr51 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Eastern Airlines has applied with the DOT for a scheduled interstate certificate.

Carrier says it seeks to commence "low-cost" domestic scheduled service flights between New York JFK and San Diego beginning on or about June 1, 2020 using its B767 aircraft.

Proposed initial schedule:
3x weekly
JFK-SAN 2300-0150
SAN-JFK 0640-1510

For those that are trying to keep track of all these Eastern reincarnations, this latest one is from the ashes of bankrupt Dynamic Airways in 2018, using intellectual property rights inherited from sister company, Swift Air.


OST-2014-0071


Good luck :sarcastic:

a LONE 767? I've seen this movie before and I didn't like it! Looks pretty much like TotalAir with their lone L1011 between SFO and HNL.

Aircraft is a plural word too. Eastern has 8 767s (4 762s and 4 763s).
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 1:15 am

Is it 1 April already?
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 1:20 am

tootallsd wrote:
Won't there be a fine for landing after curfew? You don't want to do that on a regular basis.


There's no landing curfew but there is a departure curfew.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:50 am

We’re the dumpsters not big enough in Miami to burn wads of cash?
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 2:05 am

They see an opening with AA out of the market.

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Fri May 08, 2020 2:13 am

I'm supportive of Startups, and a couple of months ago there couldn't have been a better time to be a start-up(given you'd still get hate and it would be difficult given the size the majors have grown to) With that said I don't understand why they are wanting to begin their domestic scheduled service in a time like this? almost as if they are setting themselves up for failure.

I get they have 8 767's they probably want to use, but it's possible they are better off parked atm.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 2:28 am

There’s gotta be more to the story here
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Fri May 08, 2020 2:34 am

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Is it 1 April already?


Seriously! And I didn't even know they had 767's. They're just killing time before they start doing charters for Biden in September. The times and the frequency are horrible and people don't even know they exist.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 3:21 am

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Anyone know how the 767 is configured does it have business class?


Given the proposed schedule, how would they attract anyone but the most price sensitive bargain hunters?

Unless they have some sort of cargo contract that makes passenger revenue completely superfluous, this is a disaster waiting to happen (and would be even during boom times)!
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Fri May 08, 2020 3:25 am

What an odd choice. A 767 from JFK is better off flying to Europe for VFR flights. As Europe opens up in June and NY begins their journey to normalcy, the reduced seats now available present an important oportunity for VFR IMO.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 3:58 am

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We’re the dumpsters not big enough in Miami to burn wads of cash?


They are actually headquartered in suburban Philly.
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 4:21 am

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I'm supportive of Startups, and a couple of months ago there couldn't have been a better time to be a start-up(given you'd still get hate and it would be difficult given the size the majors have grown to) With that said I don't understand why they are wanting to begin their domestic scheduled service in a time like this? almost as if they are setting themselves up for failure.

I get they have 8 767's they probably want to use, but it's possible they are better off parked atm.

Can you really call them "startups"? They have been restarting using the same formula many times.
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 4:53 am

Polot wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Eastern Airlines has applied with the DOT for a scheduled interstate certificate.

Carrier says it seeks to commence "low-cost" domestic scheduled service flights between New York JFK and San Diego beginning on or about June 1, 2020 using its B767 aircraft.

Proposed initial schedule:
3x weekly
JFK-SAN 2300-0150
SAN-JFK 0640-1510

For those that are trying to keep track of all these Eastern reincarnations, this latest one is from the ashes of bankrupt Dynamic Airways in 2018, using intellectual property rights inherited from sister company, Swift Air.


OST-2014-0071


Good luck :sarcastic:

a LONE 767? I've seen this movie before and I didn't like it! Looks pretty much like TotalAir with their lone L1011 between SFO and HNL.

Aircraft is a plural word too. Eastern has 8 767s (4 762s and 4 763s).


Only half of them are actually airworthy at any given time, though. Their reliability is atrocious.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 5:45 am

toltommy wrote:
jetskipper wrote:
We’re the dumpsters not big enough in Miami to burn wads of cash?


They are actually headquartered in suburban Philly.


Really? They were HQ'd in GSO just a few months ago.
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 6:07 am

Who are the investors throwing away money in this venture? (Serious question)

Are these aircraft owned or leased? Seems with the current market they could get newer/better/more efficient aircraft at a decent price.

Does anyone know the seat configuration? Does “low cost” equal 29” pitch?
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 6:21 am

Could it be that they squeezed this one in between rotations?
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 8:20 am

very few airlines ever serve the route used for their DOT application. Its merely an economic issue. So I doubt we will see Eastern actually FLY that route...
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Fri May 08, 2020 1:31 pm

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There’s gotta be more to the story here

That schedule is so weird. I wonder if this is a belly freighter operation.

Also can I assume the CARES Act does not allow a start up carrier that wasn’t operating previously to get loan money?
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 1:35 pm

enilria wrote:
Moosefire wrote:
There’s gotta be more to the story here

That schedule is so weird. I wonder if this is a belly freighter operation.

Also can I assume the CARES Act does not allow a start up carrier that wasn’t operating previously to get loan money?

Eastern is not a start up- it is (or was) operating both charter flights and was planning to start scheduled JFK-GEO flights in early March (not sure if that ever started due to Covid though).

My guess is the odd times is to fit between JFK-GEO.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 2:04 pm

Polot wrote:
enilria wrote:
Moosefire wrote:
There’s gotta be more to the story here

That schedule is so weird. I wonder if this is a belly freighter operation.

Also can I assume the CARES Act does not allow a start up carrier that wasn’t operating previously to get loan money?

Eastern is not a start up- it is (or was) operating both charter flights and was planning to start scheduled JFK-GEO flights in early March (not sure if that ever started due to Covid though).

My guess is the odd times is to fit between JFK-GEO.


That was my thought too. Maybe they'll keep J seats and convert the main deck to cargo. That way if they get 10 pax per flight, the pax revenue is gravy on top of the mostly freighter. New gen combi, lol?
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 2:30 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Polot wrote:
enilria wrote:
That schedule is so weird. I wonder if this is a belly freighter operation.

Also can I assume the CARES Act does not allow a start up carrier that wasn’t operating previously to get loan money?

Eastern is not a start up- it is (or was) operating both charter flights and was planning to start scheduled JFK-GEO flights in early March (not sure if that ever started due to Covid though).

My guess is the odd times is to fit between JFK-GEO.


That was my thought too. Maybe they'll keep J seats and convert the main deck to cargo. That way if they get 10 pax per flight, the pax revenue is gravy on top of the mostly freighter. New gen combi, lol?

That won’t fly with regulations- it would need the fixed fireproof bulkhead. Current quick “combis” are being allowed by authorities because there are no pax on the planes with the cargo.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 2:32 pm

I'd point out that "April Fool's Day" was more than a month ago, but as of this year, nothing would surprise me.

Air travel is down 95%, and a new airline wants to fly JFK-SAN at odd hours with a 767 in the height of a pandemic. What could go wrong with that?

I'll believe this when I see it.

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Won't there be a fine for landing after curfew? You don't want to do that on a regular basis.


Nope, no fines. The curfew is ONLY for take-offs from 11:30 PM to 6:30 AM. Planes are free to land 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Back when America West had a late-night hub at LAS, there was a regularly scheduled flight that departed around midnight and landed at SAN around 1:00 AM.

Both LGB and SNA have take-off and landing curfews, and BUR has a "voluntary restriction" of take-offs and landings. I guess for the residents sleeping on their own personal bulldozers, ready at a moment's notice to participate the long-dreamed-of fantasy of tearing down both airports, any airplane movement whatsoever disturbs their paradise, preventing them from hearing traffic going by on the freeways.

However, last May my MDW-SAN flight got boarded and took-off in record time, thanks to these curfews. After an afternoon thunderstorm blew through and delayed operations, our 9 PM flight was still showing on time. Passengers, however, had begun to line themselves up in preparation for boarding, all of us in good spirits. And then a VERY cross sounding agent came up and started making an announcement: "all right, LISTEN UP! San Diego has a very strict curfew, and if we don't get this plane in the air as soon as possible, it might have to divert to another aiport! Do you of you want that? DO YOU? Then when it's time to board, you get in that seat, you don't PASS up seats, you don't DELAY, YOU GET IN SO WE CAN GO!! Do you understand?"

I bit my tongue and stifled a laugh, as I was right up front. I've never seen an airline employee so livid. He had all the charm of a drill sergeant in basic training, but in the end, people listened. And we set a record for filling up every seat in a Boeing 737-800 - bing, bang, boom, we were in the air, maybe at 9:05 PM. I knew there was no curfew, but I was as anxious to go as everyone else. But others believed it. Or, like me, knew he was wrong but wanted to do the express boarding and departing. In the end it worked!
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 3:26 pm

LAXintl wrote:
JFK-SAN 2300-0150
SAN-JFK 0640-1510


Who are they appealing too? The Navy/Marines down in SAN who’s body clocks are programmed to these types of flight times?
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 4:21 pm

I actually think some starups like Moxy have good timing. The legacies are too focused on plugging the cash hole burn to worry.

The issue here is less than daily and those flight times are terrible both directions. Anyone know what the insides of the 767s look like? Ptv,meals,business class?
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 5:47 pm

Polot wrote:
enilria wrote:
Moosefire wrote:
There’s gotta be more to the story here

That schedule is so weird. I wonder if this is a belly freighter operation.

Also can I assume the CARES Act does not allow a start up carrier that wasn’t operating previously to get loan money?

Eastern is not a start up- it is (or was) operating both charter flights and was planning to start scheduled JFK-GEO flights in early March (not sure if that ever started due to Covid though).

My guess is the odd times is to fit between JFK-GEO.

The cares loans don’t help small carriers at all. That’s why ravn Alaska has to go chapter 11 and soon to be chapter 7.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 5:50 pm

The departure early in the morning is fine, although prolly an hour earlier than it needs to be or should be; the 2 am arrival is atrocious and will not succeed. (The question that comes to mind is what is that a/c doing at JFK between 3 pm (when it arrives) and 11 pm, when it departs from NYC? Why wait until 11 pm to depart?)

It was suggested earlier in the thread that this flight is proposed undoubtedly due to AA mostly gone from the market. Whether or not that is a permanent move by AA is unknown but I can assure EA that their proposal for a "substitute" is pretty goofy.

Don't get me wrong -- I would love to see another carrier choosing to fly to SAN but the fact that SAN-JFK is this carrier's first and only (I think) interstate route is a real head-scratcher. Why was this particular route chosen? And a 767? And 3x weekly? During a raging pandemic?

The only silver-lining I can come up with is that perhaps this move will push AS to put SAN-JFK very high up on their list of new routes to add when things start to recover! If they see an out-of-nowhere decision by a small and questionable operation to add this route that is in the process of losing service by one of the legacy carriers, maybe the importance of the route will jump out at the AS network planners.

This will be very interesting to watch unfold.

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Fri May 08, 2020 5:56 pm

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However, last May my MDW-SAN flight got boarded and took-off in record time, thanks to these curfews. After an afternoon thunderstorm blew through and delayed operations, our 9 PM flight was still showing on time. Passengers, however, had begun to line themselves up in preparation for boarding, all of us in good spirits. And then a VERY cross sounding agent came up and started making an announcement: "all right, LISTEN UP! San Diego has a very strict curfew, and if we don't get this plane in the air as soon as possible, it might have to divert to another aiport! Do you of you want that? DO YOU? Then when it's time to board, you get in that seat, you don't PASS up seats, you don't DELAY, YOU GET IN SO WE CAN GO!! Do you understand?"

I bit my tongue and stifled a laugh, as I was right up front. I've never seen an airline employee so livid. He had all the charm of a drill sergeant in basic training, but in the end, people listened. And we set a record for filling up every seat in a Boeing 737-800 - bing, bang, boom, we were in the air, maybe at 9:05 PM. I knew there was no curfew, but I was as anxious to go as everyone else. But others believed it. Or, like me, knew he was wrong but wanted to do the express boarding and departing. In the end it worked!


I know you know this but during SAN's runway closure it had a hard closure time of midnight and several flights for AA and WN ended up spending the night in PHX as a result.
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Fri May 08, 2020 5:58 pm

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Who are the investors throwing away money in this venture? (Serious question)

Are these aircraft owned or leased? Seems with the current market they could get newer/better/more efficient aircraft at a decent price.

Does anyone know the seat configuration? Does “low cost” equal 29” pitch?


If they're using the 767-300s, they're ex-Qantas aircraft and I don't think they bothered to redo the interiors so the seat pitch should be whatever Qantas had them at before they sold them off. Of interest to planespotters is that they're pretty much the only RR-powered 767s in the country.

If they're the 767-200s, I have no idea. They're a bunch of ancient airplanes sourced from all over. Look up reviews for Dynamic Airways for an idea of what the onboard product is like.

 
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Fri May 08, 2020 6:13 pm

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The departure early in the morning is fine, although prolly an hour earlier than it needs to be or should be; the 2 am arrival is atrocious and will not succeed. (The question that comes to mind is what is that a/c doing at JFK between 3 pm (when it arrives) and 11 pm, when it departs from NYC? Why wait until 11 pm to depart?)


I bet they don't have slots to operate during the peak evening period, or whatever is left of it.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 6:55 pm

Anyone have a seatmap of what their 767s look like? Interested to see the seats and setup.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 7:37 pm

Over the years it's hilarious when these reincarnations of Eastern Airlines surface. Obviously they want to create an illusion that they are in some way connected to the old historic Eastern name, perhaps for Baby Boomers who recall fondly trips from their youth on an Eastern L-1011, a Boeing 727-200 or even aboard a Lockheed Electra. This is ludicrous marketing strategy.

The latest Eastern Airlines (2020) promotional movie, Flying With Arthur Godfrey, co-starring Eastern CEO Eddie Rickenbacker-- the ace of aces-- and famous captain Dick Merrill as Godfrey's first officer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VfkKjlhXs
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 8:31 pm

[quote="santi319"]What an odd choice. A 767 from JFK is better off flying to Europe for VFR flights. As Europe opens up in June and NY begins their journey to normalcy, the reduced seats now available present an important oportunity for VFR for more than a few
the 767-200 flew successfully in the USA for quite a while before TWA came up with their ETOPS idea and the other majors piled on it. The question will be? Where else can they go with the airplane to make it a profitable venture? Just to say they're flying from JFK? It's not enough. they may need to fly to a few more places in the USA to gain some traction. I might suggest? NYC -PDX/ SEA/SFO/OAK/LAX /PHX/ELP/IAH/MSY. as all of those cities could have a lack of service from JFK if JBLU is not serving them Directly out of JFK. and? They may even make money serving them with a stop between if they can find cities that might want service to the coasts from the US Interior, Especially cities like MCI/OMA/TUL/OKC/BHM/LIT/ABI. and if they can find freight contracts? There's money to be made to offset expenses. as the 767's are pretty good freight haulers in the belly, as that would surely boost their bottom line. Anyway? that's how I might approach a new Airline in the market by trying to pay the bills first and adding a little "Topping" in passengers to sweeten the pot, especially if freight can pay the airplane's bills. They c. start with a reduced price per pound or Ton of freight enough to make the airplane revenueI eutral which will give them a chance to operate for more than a Summer. If they can achieve a profit? So much Better than to Lose your shirt unless they plan to lose money to write off on their taxes as investors. (I've seen this done)
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Fri May 08, 2020 9:02 pm

this is from 1953, been on the internet for years
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 9:07 pm

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The cares loans don’t help small carriers at all. That’s why ravn Alaska has to go chapter 11 and soon to be chapter 7.


Sure they do - it's not just the ten big carriers getting grants or loans. Ravn was such a piece of work it had no value either way.

Treasury has received over 230 applications for payroll support from a wide range of passenger air carriers. After consultation with the Secretary of Transportation and Treasury’s outside financial and legal advisors, Secretary Mnuchin has determined that as a result of benefits to the public—including but not limited to maintaining needed air service, refraining from involuntary furloughs, and limiting share buyback and executive compensation—Treasury will not require passenger air carriers that will receive $100 million of payroll assistance or less to provide financial instruments as appropriate compensation. As such, for passenger air carriers with payroll support payments up to $100 million, funds will be available promptly upon approval of their applications. The majority of these requests seek less than $10 million.

Back to the thread topic - I don't see how a start-up would qualify for the PSP elements.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 10:17 pm

Polot wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Polot wrote:
Eastern is not a start up- it is (or was) operating both charter flights and was planning to start scheduled JFK-GEO flights in early March (not sure if that ever started due to Covid though).

My guess is the odd times is to fit between JFK-GEO.


That was my thought too. Maybe they'll keep J seats and convert the main deck to cargo. That way if they get 10 pax per flight, the pax revenue is gravy on top of the mostly freighter. New gen combi, lol?

That won’t fly with regulations- it would need the fixed fireproof bulkhead. Current quick “combis” are being allowed by authorities because there are no pax on the planes with the cargo.


LOL very true. As a former employee of the airline with the world's biggest combi fleet, you'd think I'd have remembered that.
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 11:07 pm

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PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
However, last May my MDW-SAN flight got boarded and took-off in record time, thanks to these curfews. After an afternoon thunderstorm blew through and delayed operations, our 9 PM flight was still showing on time. Passengers, however, had begun to line themselves up in preparation for boarding, all of us in good spirits. And then a VERY cross sounding agent came up and started making an announcement: "all right, LISTEN UP! San Diego has a very strict curfew, and if we don't get this plane in the air as soon as possible, it might have to divert to another aiport! Do you of you want that? DO YOU? Then when it's time to board, you get in that seat, you don't PASS up seats, you don't DELAY, YOU GET IN SO WE CAN GO!! Do you understand?"

I bit my tongue and stifled a laugh, as I was right up front. I've never seen an airline employee so livid. He had all the charm of a drill sergeant in basic training, but in the end, people listened. And we set a record for filling up every seat in a Boeing 737-800 - bing, bang, boom, we were in the air, maybe at 9:05 PM. I knew there was no curfew, but I was as anxious to go as everyone else. But others believed it. Or, like me, knew he was wrong but wanted to do the express boarding and departing. In the end it worked!


I know you know this but during SAN's runway closure it had a hard closure time of midnight and several flights for AA and WN ended up spending the night in PHX as a result.


If there has been runway work recently, I am unaware of it. If you mean closures in the past, yes, you are correct. I remember of a couple of runway resurfacing events in my 20 years here in San Diego, and I recall quite a few latecomers who didn't take it seriously got diverted elsewhere.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 2:47 am

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
alasizon wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
However, last May my MDW-SAN flight got boarded and took-off in record time, thanks to these curfews. After an afternoon thunderstorm blew through and delayed operations, our 9 PM flight was still showing on time. Passengers, however, had begun to line themselves up in preparation for boarding, all of us in good spirits. And then a VERY cross sounding agent came up and started making an announcement: "all right, LISTEN UP! San Diego has a very strict curfew, and if we don't get this plane in the air as soon as possible, it might have to divert to another aiport! Do you of you want that? DO YOU? Then when it's time to board, you get in that seat, you don't PASS up seats, you don't DELAY, YOU GET IN SO WE CAN GO!! Do you understand?"

I bit my tongue and stifled a laugh, as I was right up front. I've never seen an airline employee so livid. He had all the charm of a drill sergeant in basic training, but in the end, people listened. And we set a record for filling up every seat in a Boeing 737-800 - bing, bang, boom, we were in the air, maybe at 9:05 PM. I knew there was no curfew, but I was as anxious to go as everyone else. But others believed it. Or, like me, knew he was wrong but wanted to do the express boarding and departing. In the end it worked!


I know you know this but during SAN's runway closure it had a hard closure time of midnight and several flights for AA and WN ended up spending the night in PHX as a result.


If there has been runway work recently, I am unaware of it. If you mean closures in the past, yes, you are correct. I remember of a couple of runway resurfacing events in my 20 years here in San Diego, and I recall quite a few latecomers who didn't take it seriously got diverted elsewhere.


There were definitely closures within the past months. In fact, there's a hard closure ongoing now. NOTAM from 12a-5a 4/26-5/16.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 2:57 am

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
alasizon wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
However, last May my MDW-SAN flight got boarded and took-off in record time, thanks to these curfews. After an afternoon thunderstorm blew through and delayed operations, our 9 PM flight was still showing on time. Passengers, however, had begun to line themselves up in preparation for boarding, all of us in good spirits. And then a VERY cross sounding agent came up and started making an announcement: "all right, LISTEN UP! San Diego has a very strict curfew, and if we don't get this plane in the air as soon as possible, it might have to divert to another aiport! Do you of you want that? DO YOU? Then when it's time to board, you get in that seat, you don't PASS up seats, you don't DELAY, YOU GET IN SO WE CAN GO!! Do you understand?"

I bit my tongue and stifled a laugh, as I was right up front. I've never seen an airline employee so livid. He had all the charm of a drill sergeant in basic training, but in the end, people listened. And we set a record for filling up every seat in a Boeing 737-800 - bing, bang, boom, we were in the air, maybe at 9:05 PM. I knew there was no curfew, but I was as anxious to go as everyone else. But others believed it. Or, like me, knew he was wrong but wanted to do the express boarding and departing. In the end it worked!


I know you know this but during SAN's runway closure it had a hard closure time of midnight and several flights for AA and WN ended up spending the night in PHX as a result.


If there has been runway work recently, I am unaware of it. If you mean closures in the past, yes, you are correct. I remember of a couple of runway resurfacing events in my 20 years here in San Diego, and I recall quite a few latecomers who didn't take it seriously got diverted elsewhere.


Last year (and maybe 2018 as well, I seem to remember two separate work periods), there were a handful of months that everything was closed 0000-0630 daily.
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 7:14 pm

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Really? They were HQ'd in GSO just a few months ago.


Really. HQ is in the King of Prussia area, Its actually a Wayne address, in an office park. A former coworker of mine is with them, she moved to the area last summer.
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 2:35 am

enilria wrote:
Moosefire wrote:
There’s gotta be more to the story here

That schedule is so weird. I wonder if this is a belly freighter operation.

Also can I assume the CARES Act does not allow a start up carrier that wasn’t operating previously to get loan money?



I figured it must be some sort of freight operation contract that is long term and they might as well seats as well.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:28 am

I guess this did not happen ha?
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:42 am

DOT has not yet granted them the authority.
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Re: Eastern Airlines applies for domestic scheduled authority, plans JFK-SAN Jun 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:37 am

UPlog wrote:
I guess this did not happen ha?


Apparently not, I went to do a dummy booking... and while SAN is not listed as a destination from JFK, I was stunned to see SJD is listed as a destination, however, looking for that there are no dates available for sale on the SJD route.
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