I think I can kiss goodbye my $1500 that I spent last December on txts to SAL for this upcoming summer.
tell me about it… I have nearly 10TUSD on pending tickets with them…
Your tickets should be safe. That would also be consistent with what happened when say UA or AA filed. As long as the airline is still flying at all post-bankruptcy, which they will IMO. Check your inbox for the Avianca e-mail on that:
• Customers will be able to use tickets, vouchers, travel coupons, gift cards, and any additional travel services purchased before we initiated this process.
Most of SAL operations were O/D routes inherited from the TACA merger, so it's highly unlikely those would go, unless, of course SAL O/D demand abruptly goes down. IMHO, any decision re: SAL will be taken in El Salvador by Kriete group, part owners of AV, and not by some board executives in Bogota.
May we see the split of AV between Colombian and Salvadorean (Central American) operations into 2 separate airlines? My guess, it's a possibility.
Correct, SAL is a big hub and won't go away. Technically, Avianca El Salvador is a separate company, and there are others as well. So if that were needed, they could "unmerge".
Then AV joins the Star alliance which I have always found strange, Skyteam would have been much better. Star did nothing for Avianca in Spain, the USA, or Latin America, their three most important markets. With Star came United airlines and we know how that has turned out.
IMO the former ownership of CM by CO prevented UA from having a closer relationship with AV. The relationship between CM and UA is still pretty close today, for example UA lets us use PlusPoints for CM, which it only does for CM, NH, and LH. As a 1K, I found it close to impossible for many years to get AV and UA segments on a single ticket on 016 ticket stock.
LH, on the other hand, seems to have a much better relationship with AV, they offered a ton of connections and ticketing was super easy. For example, FRA-MIA-SAL on LH and TA / AV was never an issue to ticket, same for anything through BOG.
*A doing something for AV in Spain would have been tough as it would have either meant flying someone like LH, LX, OS on narrowbodies onwards from Spain or perhaps flying UA to BOG and then connecting to Spain on AV, which UA doesn't need because of EWR flights to the Iberian Peninsula and the Mediterranean. Routes north of that would have likely involved LH Group metal. AV had MAD / BCN on sale in Business for $2000ish ex-US to Spain via BOG for years, so they also seem to have struggled with these routes.
Personally, I would have flown AV more had they started flying MUC earlier than November 2018, or had they started to cover routes similar to LH Jump's SJO, say SAL-FRA to connect Europeans to Central America. As it stood for me, AV got my business on US-SAL and US-BOG a lot, including connections within Latin America. It wasn't as attractive from a crediting experience, but the customer experience was always better than UA in each respective cabin. No issues with bags, aged Flor de Cana in lieu of the cheap Bacardi at UA, good meals, great deserts, smaller 787 premium cabin, great Sala VIP Diamond Lounge at BOG with nicer food than UA clubs and L'Occitane en Provence products over the cheap Chinese made stuff UA has (Sunday Riley at present).
I hope to see AV expand again in the future, and hopefully even closer coordination with LH Group. UA wasn't a good partner for them and likely still won't be in the future given their close tie-up with CM.
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