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avi8 wrote:It's interesting to see that they did not announce start dates. I wonder when that will come.
pipeafcr wrote:avi8 wrote:It's interesting to see that they did not announce start dates. I wonder when that will come.
Also AA as they have also started operating in previously unserved cities like BAQ and ADZ (from December)
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Impressive! Congratulations to Avianca for organizing and getting this going. Now keeping it going, that's another thing. I hope it works.
Non-stop West Coast USA - Central & South America is a tough nut to crack. There is demand, but the premium market is dominated by COPA and LACSA, and numerous one-stops via the U.S. and Mexico. Heck, before quarantine, COPA had long been rumored to be in talks to fly into San Diego!
LAX-BOG has been an on-again off-again thing. SFO would obviously be next; however, that might be a while off.
Side note: Avianca and Viasa have always been my favorite names in aviation. I absolutely love the way they roll off the tongue, almost like female names. At least one of them is still around!
avi8 wrote:PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Impressive! Congratulations to Avianca for organizing and getting this going. Now keeping it going, that's another thing. I hope it works.
Non-stop West Coast USA - Central & South America is a tough nut to crack. There is demand, but the premium market is dominated by COPA and LACSA, and numerous one-stops via the U.S. and Mexico. Heck, before quarantine, COPA had long been rumored to be in talks to fly into San Diego!
LAX-BOG has been an on-again off-again thing. SFO would obviously be next; however, that might be a while off.
Side note: Avianca and Viasa have always been my favorite names in aviation. I absolutely love the way they roll off the tongue, almost like female names. At least one of them is still around!
Hmmm. LACSA = Avianca
LAX-SAL: AV (3 daily I believe)/DL/Volaris/UA
LAX-GUA: AV/DL/UA/Volaris
LAX-SJO: UA/AS/DL/B6
LAX-PTY: CM multiple daily
SFO-SAL: AV
SFO-PTY: CM
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:avi8 wrote:PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Impressive! Congratulations to Avianca for organizing and getting this going. Now keeping it going, that's another thing. I hope it works.
Non-stop West Coast USA - Central & South America is a tough nut to crack. There is demand, but the premium market is dominated by COPA and LACSA, and numerous one-stops via the U.S. and Mexico. Heck, before quarantine, COPA had long been rumored to be in talks to fly into San Diego!
LAX-BOG has been an on-again off-again thing. SFO would obviously be next; however, that might be a while off.
Side note: Avianca and Viasa have always been my favorite names in aviation. I absolutely love the way they roll off the tongue, almost like female names. At least one of them is still around!
Hmmm. LACSA = Avianca
LAX-SAL: AV (3 daily I believe)/DL/Volaris/UA
LAX-GUA: AV/DL/UA/Volaris
LAX-SJO: UA/AS/DL/B6
LAX-PTY: CM multiple daily
SFO-SAL: AV
SFO-PTY: CM
Correct, of course, but even before LACSA = Avianca, these routes found the equilibrium early, and as one carrier might exit, one more might enter. Not likely routes for yield-slashing competition. I don't think Volaris has anything above premium economy, does it?
It's all about alliances nowadays, isn't it?
pipeafcr wrote:avi8 wrote:It's interesting to see that they did not announce start dates. I wonder when that will come.
Also AA as they have also started operating in previously unserved cities like BAQ and ADZ (from December)
pipeafcr wrote:avi8 wrote:It's interesting to see that they did not announce start dates. I wonder when that will come.
Also AA as they have also started operating in previously unserved cities like BAQ and ADZ (from December)
tphuang wrote:Seems overly ambitious for an airline just getting out of bankruptcy but who knows.
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:avi8 wrote:PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Impressive! Congratulations to Avianca for organizing and getting this going. Now keeping it going, that's another thing. I hope it works.
Non-stop West Coast USA - Central & South America is a tough nut to crack. There is demand, but the premium market is dominated by COPA and LACSA, and numerous one-stops via the U.S. and Mexico. Heck, before quarantine, COPA had long been rumored to be in talks to fly into San Diego!
LAX-BOG has been an on-again off-again thing. SFO would obviously be next; however, that might be a while off.
Side note: Avianca and Viasa have always been my favorite names in aviation. I absolutely love the way they roll off the tongue, almost like female names. At least one of them is still around!
Hmmm. LACSA = Avianca
LAX-SAL: AV (3 daily I believe)/DL/Volaris/UA
LAX-GUA: AV/DL/UA/Volaris
LAX-SJO: UA/AS/DL/B6
LAX-PTY: CM multiple daily
SFO-SAL: AV
SFO-PTY: CM
Correct, of course, but even before LACSA = Avianca, these routes found the equilibrium early, and as one carrier might exit, one more might enter. Not likely routes for yield-slashing competition. I don't think Volaris has anything above premium economy, does it?
It's all about alliances nowadays, isn't it?
rjbesikof wrote:Where did they get the frequencies to fly the U.S.A.-Ecuador routes? From Eastern?
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Side note: Avianca and Viasa have always been my favorite names in aviation. I absolutely love the way they roll off the tongue, almost like female names. At least one of them is still around!
Okcflyer wrote:Wish they’d launch GYE-IAH to connect into UA’s network. It’s a pipe dream … I know.
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:I'd have thought it was CM to PHX not SAN but CM to ONT very doubtful.Non-stop West Coast USA - Central & South America is a tough nut to crack. There is demand, but the premium market is dominated by COPA and LACSA, and numerous one-stops via the U.S. and Mexico. Heck, before quarantine, COPA had long been rumored to be in talks to fly into San Diego!
IMHO, Thrice weekly BOG-LAX-BOG red-eyes wide-body both ways w/ day-time LAX-SAL-LAX or LAX-GUA-LAX rotation may work, at least to re-start LAX from BOG.LAX-BOG has been an on-again off-again thing. SFO would obviously be next; however, that might be a while off.
OzarkD9S wrote:PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Side note: Avianca and Viasa have always been my favorite names in aviation. I absolutely love the way they roll off the tongue, almost like female names. At least one of them is still around!
Curious. Do you pronounce VIASA vee-AH-sah or VEE-sah? Don't think I've heard it said out loud.
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:OzarkD9S wrote:PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
Side note: Avianca and Viasa have always been my favorite names in aviation. I absolutely love the way they roll off the tongue, almost like female names. At least one of them is still around!
Curious. Do you pronounce VIASA vee-AH-sah or VEE-sah? Don't think I've heard it said out loud.
Three syllables. Speakers of Spanish who know better will have to confirm, but each vowel must be pronounced, as in "Aero" being "ah-E-ro".
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:Impressive! Congratulations to Avianca for organizing and getting this going. Now keeping it going, that's another thing. I hope it works.
Side note: Avianca and Viasa have always been my favorite names in aviation. I absolutely love the way they roll off the tongue, almost like female names. At least one of them is still around!
AntonioMartin wrote:PHX should try to woo AV into flying SAL-PHX.Why dont we have service to northern Central America from Phoenix yet?
NearMiss wrote:Surprised not to see a new BOG - ANF route since Antofagasta (Chile) has a very big Colombian community there and there are no direct flights between both cities.
2travel2know2 wrote:AntonioMartin wrote:PHX should try to woo AV into flying SAL-PHX.Why dont we have service to northern Central America from Phoenix yet?
Perhaps after AV has flown SAL-ONT for a while, AV might get a bigger picture to how feasible is to open routes like SAL-PHX, SAL-LAS, SAL-DEN or even SAL-ABQ, SAL-SEA.
IMHO, AV BOG staff has finally realised that AV SAL has different route demand than its BOG hub.
LCDFlight wrote:Hope it works out. Argentina is always having a rough time.
Polot wrote:Makes sense. The only reason to keep a A330ceo fleet over a 787 fleet when you operate both is if you can’t afford the 787’s financing/leasing costs.
Polot wrote:Makes sense. The only reason to keep a A330ceo fleet over a 787 fleet when you operate both is if you can’t afford the 787’s financing/leasing costs.
FCRO wrote:LCDFlight wrote:Hope it works out. Argentina is always having a rough time.
Argentina?
Avianca is from colombia
LCDFlight wrote:FCRO wrote:LCDFlight wrote:Hope it works out. Argentina is always having a rough time.
Argentina?
Avianca is from colombia
I apologize lol. Never been to either, but quite aware that these are two totally different and wonderful countries, both of which I want to visit. I guess I am surprised that Colombia has a long haul fleet. Cool.
LCDFlight wrote:I guess I am surprised that Colombia has a long haul fleet. Cool.
jbs2886 wrote:LCDFlight wrote:FCRO wrote:
Argentina?
Avianca is from colombia
I apologize lol. Never been to either, but quite aware that these are two totally different and wonderful countries, both of which I want to visit. I guess I am surprised that Colombia has a long haul fleet. Cool.
Why are you surprised an airline in Colombia has a long-haul fleet? Its a population of 50M, the third largest in Latin America after Brazil and Mexico, and a major tourist destination. We aren't talking about some very small country in Latin America.
LCDFlight wrote:FCRO wrote:LCDFlight wrote:Hope it works out. Argentina is always having a rough time.
Argentina?
Avianca is from colombia
I apologize lol. Never been to either, but quite aware that these are two totally different and wonderful countries, both of which I want to visit. I guess I am surprised that Colombia has a long haul fleet. Cool.
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