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Nicknuzzii
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Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 3:29 pm

Interesting move in my opinion,. They are planning GLA-JFK/MCO/ATL/LAX.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesco ... bados/amp/
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 3:33 pm

What an interesting time to launch some new routes...
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 3:35 pm

Virgin Atlantic's news release shows it only flying GLA-MCO next year? Not JFK, ATL, and LAX?

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... edule.html
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 3:46 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Virgin Atlantic's news release shows it only flying GLA-MCO next year? Not JFK, ATL, and LAX?

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... edule.html


Yes, the Sun misinterpreted the COO’s quote, which was referencing all of GLA, Belfast, and MAN.

GLA can’t support MCO, JFK, ATL, and LAX, even pre-crisis.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 3:46 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Interesting move in my opinion,. They are planning GLA-JFK/MCO/ATL/LAX.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesco ... bados/amp/


The only one direct is going to be MCO. The others possibly indirect as a code share on Delta. Or maybe they have it mixed up with MAN.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 3:50 pm

Polot wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Virgin Atlantic's news release shows it only flying GLA-MCO next year? Not JFK, ATL, and LAX?

https://corporate.virginatlantic.com/gb ... edule.html


Yes, the Sun misinterpreted the COO’s quote, which was referencing all of GLA, Belfast, and MAN.

GLA can’t support MCO, JFK, ATL, and LAX, even pre-crisis.


Good catch.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 5:03 pm

The only one that would make sense is GLA-MCO on an Airbus A330-300. The others can be fed through JFK, which can be served on a B752 or A21N (even a standard A21N if with at least 1 aux tank should make it).
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 5:13 pm

I see GLA-MCO being feasible maybe twice a week next year. Since the Brits are getting 80% of their salary if they are unemployed during the pandemic, they might be able to make up for the shortfall Disney and Universal will have next year, when millions of Americans will still be unemployed.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 5:23 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
The only one that would make sense is GLA-MCO on an Airbus A330-300. The others can be fed through JFK, which can be served on a B752 or A21N (even a standard A21N if with at least 1 aux tank should make it).


It already is served by a 757.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 5:36 pm

They should concentrate on staying in business...
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 5:40 pm

usdcaguy wrote:
I see GLA-MCO being feasible maybe twice a week next year. Since the Brits are getting 80% of their salary if they are unemployed during the pandemic, they might be able to make up for the shortfall Disney and Universal will have next year, when millions of Americans will still be unemployed.

There are (still) 4 VS flights a week scheduled on the route this Summer (starting mid June) as it is. So dropping to 2 (and presumably going from 744 to 333) would be a big drop in capacity for something that would "make up a shortfall".
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 6:11 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
They should concentrate on staying in business...


Doing business seems a reasonably good way of staying in business to me, these GLA-MCO flights have traditionally been very well taken up and booked heavily in advance. I don't know the stats exactly but there may already be substantial 2021 bookings in the system, and given the demise of TCX on their rival Orlando service, they are now the only show in town. You still can't underestimate the popularity of Florida with the Scottish holidaymaker, as kids we all dreamed of one day going to see Mickey Mouse's home ! :lol:

The VS 747 service has seen it's season extend year upon year, with a summer/school holiday peak of Thurs-Mon service, tailing off towards the quiet end of season, so whilst the post Covid world is still uncertain (for everyone), demand for MCO is still clearly evident. I'd be interested to know how this service develops in the coming years and whether or not the leisure configured A350-1000 will figure at some time, as was the plan when they announced it's acquisition ?

VS themselves continue to have a good relationship with GLA, frequently using it for crew and new type training days, the new A350 spent two separate weeks there last year and other types have trained there too. There's also concurrently four aircraft in storage, 2x744, 1xA332 and 1xA333. 8-)
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 6:28 pm

JannEejit wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
They should concentrate on staying in business...


Doing business seems a reasonably good way of staying in business to me, these GLA-MCO flights have traditionally been very well taken up and booked heavily in advance. I don't know the stats exactly...


It's all about PRASM (or TRASM). If they can't get 80% load factors at decent fares they're going to need 60% load load factors at dear fares. If Scottish 'holidaymakers' are willing to spend for that 3-4x a week, great. I don't know that MCO is ever a premium fare destination (the last DOT airfare report put MCO fares at 17% below average), and BA certainly could suppress demand with LHR connecting fares.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 6:39 pm

Would VS ever operate EDI-MCO as well as or instead of from GLA? Is there a reason GLA was chosen over EDI, given both airports operate long-haul flights?
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 6:43 pm

Possibly remove this thread or merge it elsewhere as the article the OP posted is complete tosh?
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 6:46 pm

Orlando in peak season is price gouging as Ma, Pa and the we'ans pay top dollar to go direct and avoid connecting, the annual Disney holiday is still very popular. Outside peak, some decent fares are available and the service does not operate in the winter months by and large, although the season was recently extended. It's a no brainer to stay in your core markets in summer, with the B744s gone, the A333s should do well in terms of load factor.
EVERYTHING depends on how the Chancellors furlough scheme is wound down, if today's extension into Oct is merely delaying mass unemployment by a few months, the contracting in GDP will see a bloodbath next summer of those who survived the winter at all. Everything depends on the speed of the recovery and the unknown damage to the economy. Only time will tell that. Disney holidays aren't cheap and the recently unemployed aren't usually big spenders.
United are likely going to drop GLA-EWR, the B757s are in storage "medium term" and I suspect they'll concentrate on EDI for Scotland. This should allow space for Delta to survive at GLA unless they too decide on one airport to serve the country, and that's more likely to be EDI.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 7:58 pm

Some journalism even for Sun standard.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Tue May 12, 2020 10:40 pm

Bhoy wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
I see GLA-MCO being feasible maybe twice a week next year. Since the Brits are getting 80% of their salary if they are unemployed during the pandemic, they might be able to make up for the shortfall Disney and Universal will have next year, when millions of Americans will still be unemployed.

There are (still) 4 VS flights a week scheduled on the route this Summer (starting mid June) as it is. So dropping to 2 (and presumably going from 744 to 333) would be a big drop in capacity for something that would "make up a shortfall".


Yes it would. Demand this summer and next should be much lighter, and not only for economic reasons. Many people will still be too spooked travel until a vaccine or reliable treatment is found and marketed. VS are already planning on flying a reduced schedule from BFS, so I'm sure the company will be looking at bookings very closely.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Wed May 13, 2020 5:53 am

Its also stated as a seasonal route whereas it was supposed to go year round from this winter. It has always been cheaper for us to fly down to either LGW or travel to MAN than fly direct from GLA, and that includes travelling costs.

Could all be mute if they don't survive....
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Wed May 13, 2020 6:18 am

8herveg wrote:
Would VS ever operate EDI-MCO as well as or instead of from GLA? Is there a reason GLA was chosen over EDI, given both airports operate long-haul flights?

TUI have flown EDI-SFB for a few years now, but cant make more than a very limited schedule work. Glaswegians have 3 or 4 main holiday destinations that they absolutely love and flights/trains will always fill up - Orlando, Tenerife, Malaga and Blackpool (don't ask why, Weegies just love Blackpool). There is also a large number of Western Scots who use the VS flights to MCO from MAN.
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Wed May 13, 2020 8:42 am

8herveg wrote:
Would VS ever operate EDI-MCO as well as or instead of from GLA? Is there a reason GLA was chosen over EDI, given both airports operate long-haul flights?


Many reasons:
- Glasgow is a much larger city, therefore providing much greater outbound demand. EDI does well because of the large inbound market.
- Therefore Glasgow has always been the home of the tour operators. Almost every major tour operator traditionally used GLA as their base.. with next to no charter flights from Edinburgh. People were encouraged to go through to GLA for their summer holidays. This changed a bit with the locos - which poured in to EDI early on, filling the gap
- The route was traditionally operated by a 747, which would have struggled a bit out of EDI, until recently it just didnt have the facilities to deal with such a large aircraft. European used to operate a few 747 flights to Orlando from EDI.. but they never lasted long, and were a bit of a nightmare to deal with.

Therefore - more demand, better facilities and historical reasons are why they operate from GLA rather than EDI.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Wed May 13, 2020 9:52 am

gkirk wrote:
8herveg wrote:
Would VS ever operate EDI-MCO as well as or instead of from GLA? Is there a reason GLA was chosen over EDI, given both airports operate long-haul flights?

TUI have flown EDI-SFB for a few years now, but cant make more than a very limited schedule work. Glaswegians have 3 or 4 main holiday destinations that they absolutely love and flights/trains will always fill up - Orlando, Tenerife, Malaga and Blackpool (don't ask why, Weegies just love Blackpool). There is also a large number of Western Scots who use the VS flights to MCO from MAN.


Indeed so and I can anticipate the overall post Covid caution effect having less of an impact on the Glaswegian crowd than perhaps elsewhere. Remember this is a market where even terrorists found themselves having the sh*t kicked out of them whilst trying to flee a Glasgow audience, somewhat unhappy at the prospect of their fortnight in Magaluf being suddenly cancelled. :lol:
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Wed May 13, 2020 10:55 am

gkirk wrote:
Glaswegians have 3 or 4 main holiday destinations that they absolutely love and flights/trains will always fill up - Orlando, Tenerife, Malaga and Blackpool (don't ask why, Weegies just love Blackpool). There is also a large number of Western Scots who use the VS flights to MCO from MAN.


How did you come to that conclusion? The VS GLA flights are used by people from all over Scotland and the north of England.
 
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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Wed May 13, 2020 1:09 pm

Virgin just cancelled MAN-DEL 3 weekly A332 for the winter and S21 Summer. So that plane could be used to do 2 or 3 weekly GLA-MCO, maybe a better market than DEL.

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Re: Virgin Atlantic Plans GLA for 2021

Wed May 13, 2020 2:41 pm

migair54 wrote:
Virgin just cancelled MAN-DEL 3 weekly A332 for the winter and S21 Summer. So that plane could be used to do 2 or 3 weekly GLA-MCO, maybe a better market than DEL.

VS318 MAN1640 – 0605+1DEL 332 146
VS319 DEL0810 – 1210MAN 332 257


That plane will most likely replace a 747 and end up flying a Florida or Caribbean sector from LHR.
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