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Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Tue May 12, 2020 5:46 pm

I'm sorry if its too late to ask this, but I need answers. DOES DELTA HAVE EVEN ONE ERJ FAMILY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR DELTA CONNECTION FLEET? I thought in 2016 they were retired, but then Delta surprised Republic Airways and continued services to 2021. I am pretty sure they are all gone because I never saw any in any airport. But, I think it would serve them well. The airlines need 50 seaters on the routes that can't fill the Crj700s and -900s, E170, E190. The CRJ-200s are only getting thirstier and older, so DL needs some replacement, right? Please be nice, because I am only 13.
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 6:08 am

I think.... delta is down to only EMB 170 and 175 for Embraer models. AA and UA had 145s flying by partners.

Yeah it's a very challenging environment so I think we will need to see some smaller aircraft you are correct on that. Delta maybe just want less plane types so all CRJ might make sense for simplicity. Delta operates so many planes types right now
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 6:40 am

Sadly not, shame really, personally they're my favorite RJs to fly on as long as you get an A row seat.
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 10:09 am

I miss them. I got one ride on one when I first started with Delta nearly 5 years ago. I’d take a 145 over a CRJ any day. Especially if I was on the single seat side. Their bin could be a little bit of a challenge due to the odd angle in the back, but it could be pretty easily managed and still a joy to work and fly on.
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 10:43 am

OP: You can google 'Delta Air Lines Annual Report' and look at fleet composition at year-end. 'CRJ' is a good search term within the PDF doc. As of 12/31/19, the Delta Connection carriers operated:

117 CRJ-200

34 CRJ-700

161 CRJ-900

22 Embraer 170

108 Embraer 175, for a total of 422 aircraft.

Delta wants more 50-seaters like somebody wants a bad sunburn. Prior to COVID-19 DL implied a target of about fifty 50-seaters by 2023.
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 11:21 am

As noted, the 145's are long gone. Can't say I miss them. At all.

For CRJ-200's, DL has long been intentionally drawing that fleet down. With demand down, they will still likely opt for less frequency in certain markets while still using -700's or -900's.

Also, don't be afraid to ask questions! It's never too late.
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 11:27 am

DL already retires E145 around 2015 or 2016. Last time I remember it is operated by Chautauqua Airlines.
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 11:40 am

Boeing757100 wrote:
I'm sorry if its too late to ask this, but I need answers. DOES DELTA HAVE EVEN ONE ERJ FAMILY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR DELTA CONNECTION FLEET? I thought in 2016 they were retired, but then Delta surprised Republic Airways and continued services to 2021. I am pretty sure they are all gone because I never saw any in any airport. But, I think it would serve them well. The airlines need 50 seaters on the routes that can't fill the Crj700s and -900s, E170, E190. The CRJ-200s are only getting thirstier and older, so DL needs some replacement, right? Please be nice, because I am only 13.


Whats the difference in fuel burn and other costs between E170/190 and ERJ 145?

If not a huge difference, it may make sense to operate the larger Embraer and offer a better product.
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 12:01 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
I'm sorry if its too late to ask this, but I need answers. DOES DELTA HAVE EVEN ONE ERJ FAMILY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR DELTA CONNECTION FLEET? I thought in 2016 they were retired, but then Delta surprised Republic Airways and continued services to 2021. I am pretty sure they are all gone because I never saw any in any airport. But, I think it would serve them well. The airlines need 50 seaters on the routes that can't fill the Crj700s and -900s, E170, E190. The CRJ-200s are only getting thirstier and older, so DL needs some replacement, right? Please be nice, because I am only 13.


Brickyard never operated ERJs. They've only flown E-Jets and Q400s, which were flown for UAX and retired in 2017. Jodieellis is right, the ERJs were operated by Chautauqua until they went bust in 2014, then transferred to Shuttle America, who retired them in 2016. Both Chautauqua and Shuttle America were owned by Brickyard, so that must be why you were confused.
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 12:10 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
I'm sorry if its too late to ask this, but I need answers. DOES DELTA HAVE EVEN ONE ERJ FAMILY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR DELTA CONNECTION FLEET? I thought in 2016 they were retired, but then Delta surprised Republic Airways and continued services to 2021. I am pretty sure they are all gone because I never saw any in any airport. But, I think it would serve them well. The airlines need 50 seaters on the routes that can't fill the Crj700s and -900s, E170, E190. The CRJ-200s are only getting thirstier and older, so DL needs some replacement, right? Please be nice, because I am only 13.


Quote,"The airlines need 50 seaters on the routes that can't fill the Crj700s and -900s, E170, E190." Airlines don't need or want 50 seaters as small cities are being dropped due to low ridership and a waste of crews that can fly larger RJ's that can be profitable. Just as the props were dropped, now the first generation RJ's are being retired, the trend of upgauging is also seen in mainline planes, A-319's and 737-700's are no longer selling. While some 50 seaters continue to fly, such as Piedmonts ERJ-145's, much of their appeal is due to very low fuel prices and nobody knows how long that will last. Oil is a very volatile commodity as we have seen in the past. Many of the small cities that were dropped were not too far from other cities that support a larger number of passengers.
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 12:52 pm

InnsbruckFlyer wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
I'm sorry if its too late to ask this, but I need answers. DOES DELTA HAVE EVEN ONE ERJ FAMILY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR DELTA CONNECTION FLEET? I thought in 2016 they were retired, but then Delta surprised Republic Airways and continued services to 2021. I am pretty sure they are all gone because I never saw any in any airport. But, I think it would serve them well. The airlines need 50 seaters on the routes that can't fill the Crj700s and -900s, E170, E190. The CRJ-200s are only getting thirstier and older, so DL needs some replacement, right? Please be nice, because I am only 13.


Brickyard never operated ERJs. They've only flown E-Jets and Q400s, which were flown for UAX and retired in 2017. Jodieellis is right, the ERJs were operated by Chautauqua until they went bust in 2014, then transferred to Shuttle America, who retired them in 2016. Both Chautauqua and Shuttle America were owned by Brickyard, so that must be why you were confused.


Correct, however the initial 5 year contract had a 5 year option, which was able to be exercised by either party (RAH or DL). Republic had told DL that they would be parking the 145 fleet in 2015 as the contracts expired, however Delta opted to extend the contract. That's how RAH ended up in a sham bankruptcy, to get rid of flying that was less profitable, because they didn't have the pilots to keep the operation going.
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 2:20 pm

Wow, yes I forgot about that fiasco with DL wanting to extend the ERJ-145 contract in 2016 out for another 5 years and the subsequent Ch. 11 filing.

Farther back there was the whole Mesa/Freedom Air ERJ-145 operation that mostly flew out of CVG & JFK, then at the very end a little bit of DTW as well.
That ended in 2010.
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 2:39 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
I'm sorry if its too late to ask this, but I need answers. DOES DELTA HAVE EVEN ONE ERJ FAMILY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR DELTA CONNECTION FLEET? I thought in 2016 they were retired, but then Delta surprised Republic Airways and continued services to 2021. I am pretty sure they are all gone because I never saw any in any airport. But, I think it would serve them well. The airlines need 50 seaters on the routes that can't fill the Crj700s and -900s, E170, E190. The CRJ-200s are only getting thirstier and older, so DL needs some replacement, right? Please be nice, because I am only 13.


I will say though that I thought DL’s livery looked really good on the ERJ.

Hope you’re still posting here when you’re 43. :D
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 2:43 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Wow, yes I forgot about that fiasco with DL wanting to extend the ERJ-145 contract in 2016 out for another 5 years and the subsequent Ch. 11 filing.

Farther back there was the whole Mesa/Freedom Air ERJ-145 operation that mostly flew out of CVG & JFK, then at the very end a little bit of DTW as well.
That ended in 2010.


And that whole deal is the reason that they were unable to secure the government grant money from the CARES act. May end up sinking the entire company
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 3:50 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Wow, yes I forgot about that fiasco with DL wanting to extend the ERJ-145 contract in 2016 out for another 5 years and the subsequent Ch. 11 filing.

Farther back there was the whole Mesa/Freedom Air ERJ-145 operation that mostly flew out of CVG & JFK, then at the very end a little bit of DTW as well.
That ended in 2010.


And that whole deal is the reason that they were unable to secure the government grant money from the CARES act. May end up sinking the entire company


What company is the 'they' here, please?
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 4:17 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Wow, yes I forgot about that fiasco with DL wanting to extend the ERJ-145 contract in 2016 out for another 5 years and the subsequent Ch. 11 filing.

Farther back there was the whole Mesa/Freedom Air ERJ-145 operation that mostly flew out of CVG & JFK, then at the very end a little bit of DTW as well.
That ended in 2010.


And that whole deal is the reason that they were unable to secure the government grant money from the CARES act. May end up sinking the entire company


What company is the 'they' here, please?


Republic Airways
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 4:41 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Wow, yes I forgot about that fiasco with DL wanting to extend the ERJ-145 contract in 2016 out for another 5 years and the subsequent Ch. 11 filing.

Farther back there was the whole Mesa/Freedom Air ERJ-145 operation that mostly flew out of CVG & JFK, then at the very end a little bit of DTW as well.
That ended in 2010.


Plus the brief period XE flew 145s out west for DL, mostly from LAX with a little SLC sprinkled in. The 145-XR looked kinda cool in the DL livery.

I remember them even having the XM Satellite radio that XE had installed for their branded operation.

I had pretty much forgotten about that until I saw this thread.
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 4:43 pm

Thanks. The ineligibility of Republic has been mentioned before in other threads. I'm going to call BS - and invite the CFO of Republic to correct me in an SEC filing.

'We can't take free money,' said no company ever. Carriers with eligibility under the CARES Act Payroll Support Program below $100 million makes it all grants, not 70% grant and 30% loans like carriers with over $100 million eligible. THOSE carriers had to provide stock warrants to secure the 30% loan amounts. Perhaps the issue of stock warrants is prohibited.

http://www.crfb.org/blogs/covid-money-t ... er-support
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 7:07 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Thanks. The ineligibility of Republic has been mentioned before in other threads. I'm going to call BS - and invite the CFO of Republic to correct me in an SEC filing.

'We can't take free money,' said no company ever. Carriers with eligibility under the CARES Act Payroll Support Program below $100 million makes it all grants, not 70% grant and 30% loans like carriers with over $100 million eligible. THOSE carriers had to provide stock warrants to secure the 30% loan amounts. Perhaps the issue of stock warrants is prohibited.

http://www.crfb.org/blogs/covid-money-t ... er-support


My understanding, albeit from a distance and external to RAH, is that something in the bankruptcy did not allow them to issue the warrants, because of agreements with the creditors.
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 7:31 pm

also easier then combing thru an official report, wiki is often pretty up to date on fleets! We are in a weird time coming up with things changing so fast. As delta becomes smaller expect less plane types. but this is a good pretty accurate and fast way to see!

delta mainline:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Air_Lines_fleet

delta connection"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Con ... _and_fleet
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 9:26 pm

Wikipedia is the worst source of information on the Internet this is the most accurate source of information.
Reference page 36 for the Delta mainline fleet and page 37 for Delta connection fleet
https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/C ... 1de63e.pdf
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 10:26 pm

The 1-2 configuration on the ERJ-145 was really nice for main cabin. I never flew this aircraft on DL but I still fly on AA's ERJ-145 out of ISP. Hopefully AA resumes this service out of ISP once service starts being reinstated.
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Wed May 13, 2020 11:17 pm

floridaflyboy wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Wow, yes I forgot about that fiasco with DL wanting to extend the ERJ-145 contract in 2016 out for another 5 years and the subsequent Ch. 11 filing.

Farther back there was the whole Mesa/Freedom Air ERJ-145 operation that mostly flew out of CVG & JFK, then at the very end a little bit of DTW as well.
That ended in 2010.


Plus the brief period XE flew 145s out west for DL, mostly from LAX with a little SLC sprinkled in. The 145-XR looked kinda cool in the DL livery.

I remember them even having the XM Satellite radio that XE had installed for their branded operation.

I had pretty much forgotten about that until I saw this thread.


Back in middle 2000s when in college we had friends in PDX and we would get such cheap fares PHX-LAX-PDX on those XE 145s. Nice inside and great crew always.
 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Thu May 14, 2020 12:15 am

I loved flying the 'Little' Jungle Jets out of Ft Lauderdale back in the mid-2000s when Chautauqua Airlines had a Base there.

 
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Re: Do Delta ERJ 145's still exist

Thu May 14, 2020 4:39 am

BawliBooch wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
I'm sorry if its too late to ask this, but I need answers. DOES DELTA HAVE EVEN ONE ERJ FAMILY AIRCRAFT IN THEIR DELTA CONNECTION FLEET? I thought in 2016 they were retired, but then Delta surprised Republic Airways and continued services to 2021. I am pretty sure they are all gone because I never saw any in any airport. But, I think it would serve them well. The airlines need 50 seaters on the routes that can't fill the Crj700s and -900s, E170, E190. The CRJ-200s are only getting thirstier and older, so DL needs some replacement, right? Please be nice, because I am only 13.


Whats the difference in fuel burn and other costs between E170/190 and ERJ 145?

If not a huge difference, it may make sense to operate the larger Embraer and offer a better product.

Its not that large at all both the crj 200 and the erj 145 have an average fuel burn of ~1100 KG/H, while the E175 and CRJ900 both burn ~1600kg/h which is less on a per passenger basis the E175 plus drops it down about 5% over the E-175 standard, this adjustment was introduced in I believe 2010. Basically the larger RJ have very similar costs to the 50 seaters but for the addition of one FA and a little more fuel (less per seat) you can get add a lot of premium seats with the resulting revenue and get an aircraft with considerably lower case, and potentially higher rasm

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