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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:23 am

Compass E175s N200NN and N203NN are en route to AVW.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:07 am

Update from Compass; 19 of the planes will be flown to AVW for storage and interior refurbishment. 12 are already there. They are being transferred to Envoy’s operating certificate. One is in Nashville getting a heavy check, that will be flown to ABI for interior refurbishment.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:14 am

Compass E175 N219NN is en route to AVW.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:50 am

FLIHGH wrote:
bigb wrote:
alasizon wrote:

No room in the scope clause to do so anyhow.


Oh I know. They are along with any of our 900s are just nice to fly vs our 200.

Don’t have to worry about our 200s anymore!


Are the -200s just stored or are they finished?
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:57 am

DeltaRules wrote:
FLIHGH wrote:
bigb wrote:

Oh I know. They are along with any of our 900s are just nice to fly vs our 200.

Don’t have to worry about our 200s anymore!


Are the -200s just stored or are they finished?


I believe they are finished, unless the plans have changed recently, as the plan was to retire them in favor of the 700's and 900's.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:46 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
FLIHGH wrote:
bigb wrote:

Oh I know. They are along with any of our 900s are just nice to fly vs our 200.

Don’t have to worry about our 200s anymore!


Are the -200s just stored or are they finished?

Conflicting info has been out. They’re done until at least September but it wouldn’t surprise people if they never came back.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:17 pm

Compass E175 N216NN ferried ELP to AVW last night.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N216NN
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:11 pm

Compass E175s N215NN and N204NN ferried from LAX to AVW last night.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:21 am

Compass E175 N214NN is en route from LAX to AVW.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N214NN
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:53 am

crj900lr wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
FLIHGH wrote:
Don’t have to worry about our 200s anymore!


Are the -200s just stored or are they finished?


I believe they are finished, unless the plans have changed recently, as the plan was to retire them in favor of the 700's and 900's.

Or E170’s... Up until the COVID stuff started, Management at Republic finally said the first new 175s would be delivered in Q2 2021. It was expected the announcement on the exact fleet shakedown was going to happen this summer...

It doesn’t make sense to me to go through with the capital expenditure of the new DCA terminal just to run CRJ2s out of it. I think you will see DCA go more premium heavy with E170/175’s from Republic and then CRJ7/9’s from PSA to supplement. Republic I think will get the premium routes while the CRj’s will be flown to the smaller communities that either don’t have the infrastructure or the yields for Ejets.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:17 am

flightsimer wrote:
crj900lr wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

Are the -200s just stored or are they finished?


I believe they are finished, unless the plans have changed recently, as the plan was to retire them in favor of the 700's and 900's.

Or E170’s... Up until the COVID stuff started, Management at Republic finally said the first new 175s would be delivered in Q2 2021. It was expected the announcement on the exact fleet shakedown was going to happen this summer...

It doesn’t make sense to me to go through with the capital expenditure of the new DCA terminal just to run CRJ2s out of it. I think you will see DCA go more premium heavy with E170/175’s from Republic and then CRJ7/9’s from PSA to supplement. Republic I think will get the premium routes while the CRj’s will be flown to the smaller communities that either don’t have the infrastructure or the yields for Ejets.


DCA already has started to transition away from the 50-seaters. In February the ratio was about 2:1 in favor of large RJs. 35X is no longer a 14-pad cluster.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:15 am

jgcotter wrote:
Compass E175 N214NN is en route from LAX to AVW.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N214NN



Any idea when their final flight will be? Is it today? Routing?
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:32 pm

flightsimer wrote:
crj900lr wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:

Are the -200s just stored or are they finished?


I believe they are finished, unless the plans have changed recently, as the plan was to retire them in favor of the 700's and 900's.

Or E170’s... Up until the COVID stuff started, Management at Republic finally said the first new 175s would be delivered in Q2 2021. It was expected the announcement on the exact fleet shakedown was going to happen this summer...

It doesn’t make sense to me to go through with the capital expenditure of the new DCA terminal just to run CRJ2s out of it. I think you will see DCA go more premium heavy with E170/175’s from Republic and then CRJ7/9’s from PSA to supplement. Republic I think will get the premium routes while the CRj’s will be flown to the smaller communities that either don’t have the infrastructure or the yields for Ejets.


AA isn’t going to Phase out all 50 seat flying out of DCA. Look for PDT to backfill some 50 seat flying while PSA, Envoy, and Republic cover dual class RJ flying.
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:55 pm

I have to wonder how many ERJ-140s will be permanently parked...as well as 50-seat flying at JFK, LGA, and PHL. Those former Compass E175s that flew out west could replace the CRJ2s and E140/E145s out east (a few routes had already been up-gauged to CRJ7 flying).
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:01 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
I have to wonder how many ERJ-140s will be permanently parked...as well as 50-seat flying at JFK, LGA, and PHL. Those former Compass E175s that flew out west could replace the CRJ2s and E140/E145s out east (a few routes had already been up-gauged to CRJ7 flying).


The Compass birds are going to Envoy for DFW and ORD, very unlikely you will see them out east much. Originally Envoy was supposed to pick up LAX as a base but now with the downward cost pressure, my guess is they will be screwed from DFW instead. PHL still has a need/use for 50 seat flying and PT will continue to fly plenty of 50 seat missions out of there.

The big pull down in E140s/145s will be from ORD and CLT where more of the markets can support 65 or 76 seat service.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:23 pm

Looks like the last Compass flight is 6047, departing LAX around 1PM to TUL. So sad.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:26 pm

F9Animal wrote:
Looks like the last Compass flight is 6047, departing LAX around 1PM to TUL. So sad.


It was rough being on a conference call with them yesterday and hearing people saying goodbye to them and thanking them for their years of service. On the SOC front, they are a great group of folks and always seemed to have a good plan.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:53 pm

alasizon wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
Looks like the last Compass flight is 6047, departing LAX around 1PM to TUL. So sad.


It was rough being on a conference call with them yesterday and hearing people saying goodbye to them and thanking them for their years of service. On the SOC front, they are a great group of folks and always seemed to have a good plan.


So so sad. I am going to follow it's last turn from TUL to LAX. The turn flight is also 6047. Started a topic on it just now.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:13 pm

Compass E175 N201NN is en route from LAX to AVW.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N201NN
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:23 am

Compass E175 N212NN is en route from LAX to AVW.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N212NN
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:27 pm

FWIW, I’m showing 23 of 58 E140s currently in service out of DFW. None at LGA/JFK. 14 parked at ABI, 20 parked at MJZ, and one (858) curiously parked at YQB since 2/24. Anyone know the backstory on 858?
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:49 am

I have been watching this thread from return to service back to 23 in service. From peak demand to no demand. I am of a fan of the E14x family, so it was exciting to see the (temporary) reprieve.

Sadly, many types won't see service in 2022.

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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:15 am

MZJ has 2 different companies on site who are in business to cut up aircraft.
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:23 pm

Two of the active E140s; 834 and 845 are scheduled to ferry to MJZ tomorrow. That should leave 21 active.
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:44 pm

Eight E140s ferried from ABI to MZJ today, leaving 16 active at DFW, one stored at YQB, 13 stored at ABI and 28 stored at MZJ.
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:45 am

With 20 more 175s coming over from Compass, are there plans to send additional 145s east to Piedmont or will they just store a few extras?
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:47 am

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With 20 more 175s coming over from Compass, are there plans to send additional 145s east to Piedmont or will they just store a few extras?


The only thing official that I have heard is that more 50-seaters may be retired throughout the Eagle network. I know that PSA have already dumped their CR2s. I'm not sure how many 140s are necessary at LGA but I think that it is possible that more 145s could make their way over to PDT. Time will tell!
 
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:34 pm

FWIW~ Envoy has 28 x E145 active; 9 at DFW, 1 at MIA, 18 at ORD. 17 are stored at ABI, 13 are stored at SAW, probably some maintenance going on. 16 x E140 are active, all at DFW, 13 are stored at ABI, 28 are stored at MZJ, one (858) is parked at YQB.
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Re: American Eagle News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:36 pm

All PSA CR2 are parked; 14 at CAK, 5 at DAY.
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:19 pm

Do any of these E140s have WiFi?
 
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Re: Envoy Reactivating ERJ-140

Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:09 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Do any of these E140s have WiFi?


Not as of yet, nor any plans to add it. As of now, no 50 seat or under AE planes are expected to get it.

That said, if United follows through on it's announced intentions to refurbish their 145 fleet with wi-fi, power, and entertainment, it may force AA to reconsider doing so as to 'keep up with the Joneses'.
 
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American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 9:36 pm

No word on the parked planes of SkyWest, Republic or Piedmont.

https://viewfromthewing.com/american-ai ... by-june-3/
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 9:44 pm

Skywest received some new flying for AA as Eagle flying will be back to LAX following the demise of Compass.
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 9:47 pm

So is the plan to have OO CR7s restart up the LAX Eagle operation? Or will Envoy go to LAX eventually?

The latest OO earnings mention they don’t expect the 20 new E175 to be arriving for awhile now.
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 10:26 pm

Question to anyone with info:
Are these replacing PSA's CRJ's currently flying? Or is this in addition to those?
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 10:31 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
So is the plan to have OO CR7s restart up the LAX Eagle operation? Or will Envoy go to LAX eventually?

The latest OO earnings mention they don’t expect the 20 new E175 to be arriving for awhile now.


The OO CR7s are filling the void in LAX for now.
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 10:36 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
So is the plan to have OO CR7s restart up the LAX Eagle operation? Or will Envoy go to LAX eventually?

The latest OO earnings mention they don’t expect the 20 new E175 to be arriving for awhile now.


Skywest will handle all the LAX flying, probably some fly through by Mesa's CRJ's.

Envoy doesn't have maintenance support on the west coast outside of contract outstation maintenance, it makes AOG aircraft recoveries expensive (time and money).

Until that changes, I can't see Envoy doing any LAX flying.


What will probably happen: Envoy will take more ORD flying from Skywest and Skywest will transfer that capacity to LAX. Not sexy, but likely.
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 10:40 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
Question to anyone with info:
Are these replacing PSA's CRJ's currently flying? Or is this in addition to those?


This is not replacing PSA flying.
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 10:50 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
So is the plan to have OO CR7s restart up the LAX Eagle operation? Or will Envoy go to LAX eventually?

The latest OO earnings mention they don’t expect the 20 new E175 to be arriving for awhile now.


Skywest will handle all the LAX flying, probably some fly through by Mesa's CRJ's.

Envoy doesn't have maintenance support on the west coast outside of contract outstation maintenance, it makes AOG aircraft recoveries expensive (time and money).

Until that changes, I can't see Envoy doing any LAX flying.


What will probably happen: Envoy will take more ORD flying from Skywest and Skywest will transfer that capacity to LAX. Not sexy, but likely.


Highly unlikely you'll see YV CR9s at LAX again. From my memory none of the gates are striped for them any more at the Nest and only two at T5. Also, the YV operation really struggled last time they were in LAX due to the MX supportability issue.

Its also worth noting that Mesa has been mostly shown the door in PHX, they are only running 2-3 flights/day for May and June.

As far as ORD, I would speculate you are right there, ORD has always underperformed for OO compared to the rest of their operation and while it did get better recently, it plays to their strengths to bulk up farther West while Envoy succeeds in ORD. Not sure if PSA is still in play to add more flying at DFW and ORD as that would change things as well.

Piedmont reported internally that they are ramping back up in July. The only way this all works in my opinion is if YV is shown the door completely. OO would cover LAX and PHX plus their DFW flying (and maybe a little expansion to cover for YV), MQ expands in DFW to cover for YV and ORD to cover for OO, and OH expands more into ORD and DFW while PT covers some flying out of CLT, DCA and PHL.
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Those E175s being mentioned will likely take over when they actually show up to OO in a few years.
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 11:13 pm

alasizon wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
So is the plan to have OO CR7s restart up the LAX Eagle operation? Or will Envoy go to LAX eventually?

The latest OO earnings mention they don’t expect the 20 new E175 to be arriving for awhile now.


Skywest will handle all the LAX flying, probably some fly through by Mesa's CRJ's.

Envoy doesn't have maintenance support on the west coast outside of contract outstation maintenance, it makes AOG aircraft recoveries expensive (time and money).

Until that changes, I can't see Envoy doing any LAX flying.


What will probably happen: Envoy will take more ORD flying from Skywest and Skywest will transfer that capacity to LAX. Not sexy, but likely.


Highly unlikely you'll see YV CR9s at LAX again. From my memory none of the gates are striped for them any more at the Nest and only two at T5. Also, the YV operation really struggled last time they were in LAX due to the MX supportability issue.

Its also worth noting that Mesa has been mostly shown the door in PHX, they are only running 2-3 flights/day for May and June.

As far as ORD, I would speculate you are right there, ORD has always underperformed for OO compared to the rest of their operation and while it did get better recently, it plays to their strengths to bulk up farther West while Envoy succeeds in ORD. Not sure if PSA is still in play to add more flying at DFW and ORD as that would change things as well.

Piedmont reported internally that they are ramping back up in July. The only way this all works in my opinion is if YV is shown the door completely. OO would cover LAX and PHX plus their DFW flying (and maybe a little expansion to cover for YV), MQ expands in DFW to cover for YV and ORD to cover for OO, and OH expands more into ORD and DFW while PT covers some flying out of CLT, DCA and PHL.


I don't see YV being shown the door completely, probably ever. They are the cheapest lift AA has and Doug's wife is a major shareholder.
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Wed May 13, 2020 11:23 pm

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KLMatSJC wrote:
Those E175s being mentioned will likely take over when they actually show up to OO in a few years.


SkyWest said they are delayed from the factory.. late this year but most likely early 2021 they said... And they are still adding 7-700’s to the Eagle fleet..
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

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will pt take over psa cr2 flying at dca (crw, hpn, tys)?
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Fri May 15, 2020 10:24 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
I don't see YV being shown the door completely, probably ever. They are the cheapest lift AA has and Doug's wife is a major shareholder.


Do you have a source for Doug's wife being a major shareholder?
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Fri May 15, 2020 10:55 pm

aaflyer222 wrote:
will pt take over psa cr2 flying at dca (crw, hpn, tys)?


No, the 700s will back fill DCA CR2 flying.
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Sat May 16, 2020 2:27 pm

USAirKid wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
I don't see YV being shown the door completely, probably ever. They are the cheapest lift AA has and Doug's wife is a major shareholder.


Do you have a source for Doug's wife being a major shareholder?


Probably not. This sounds like a major conflict of interest....
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Sun May 17, 2020 6:43 am

What is the status of the Envoy E-140’s?
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Sun May 17, 2020 2:28 pm

UA777EWRTLV wrote:
What is the status of the Envoy E-140’s?


I was under the impression that roughly half were done for good now, so 20-25 would remain
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Sun May 17, 2020 2:31 pm

bigb wrote:
aaflyer222 wrote:
will pt take over psa cr2 flying at dca (crw, hpn, tys)?


No, the 700s will back fill DCA CR2 flying.


I wouldn’t be surprised to see Piedmont (or even Envoy) come in with more 145 flying. A good number of the PSA 200 routes simply can’t sustain a 700. Increasing the 700s at DCA would take them from CLT and PHL, which is always a possibility, but then Piedmont would have to swing in and fill those -700 routes with 145s.
 
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Re: American to Return Parked Envoy E-175's/E-145's to Service by June 3

Sun May 17, 2020 3:05 pm

FLIHGH wrote:
bigb wrote:
aaflyer222 wrote:
will pt take over psa cr2 flying at dca (crw, hpn, tys)?


No, the 700s will back fill DCA CR2 flying.


I wouldn’t be surprised to see Piedmont (or even Envoy) come in with more 145 flying. A good number of the PSA 200 routes simply can’t sustain a 700. Increasing the 700s at DCA would take them from CLT and PHL, which is always a possibility, but then Piedmont would have to swing in and fill those -700 routes with 145s.


Piedmont will back fill some of the flying sure, but a lot of the 200 flying out of DCA should have been operated with at a 700. There are quite a few markets I know of, it was embarrassing to have a 200 on it.

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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos