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PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sat May 16, 2020 11:53 pm

Apologies if this is already posted, but I didn't find it.

It appears that airline flights will be suspended at PAE/Paine Field, Everett, Washington, for 10 weeks: 22 May through 31 July for maintenance and repairs. Rather than work around the COVID-19 reduced schedules, the operator decided to just close it down and get it all done.

My source: The Sacramento Bee, but they picked it up from the Associated Press. https://www.sacbee.com/news/article242784576.html
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 12:21 am

Makes sense to get the work done now. With so many people not traveling at present, I don't see this affecting any significant number of people.
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 1:58 am

I suspect AS suggested this
 
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 2:38 am

I must have missed it, but didn't realize UA has been running PAE-PDX-DEN as a tag flight (but you can't book a connection in PDX and have to go to DEN first, as is the same with the other UA tag flights vs AS tag flights). It would make more sense to me to stop at a ton of other smaller airports between PAE and DEN and consolidate, than a large city like PDX. Now that I'm looking at it more, it's also surprising UA is only running 1 E75 on PDX-DEN (vs much smaller airports running same frequency and gauge, but no WN competition).

With regards to the construction...if this is new ramp space, what happened that would have caused a pre-COVID crisis 4 month construction project on a brand new ramp?
 
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 3:07 am

ericm2031 wrote:
I must have missed it, but didn't realize UA has been running PAE-PDX-DEN as a tag flight (but you can't book a connection in PDX and have to go to DEN first, as is the same with the other UA tag flights vs AS tag flights). It would make more sense to me to stop at a ton of other smaller airports between PAE and DEN and consolidate, than a large city like PDX. Now that I'm looking at it more, it's also surprising UA is only running 1 E75 on PDX-DEN (vs much smaller airports running same frequency and gauge, but no WN competition).

With regards to the construction...if this is new ramp space, what happened that would have caused a pre-COVID crisis 4 month construction project on a brand new ramp?


I believe only the immediate ground around the terminal is new, the rest I believe is the existing asphalt. Perhaps the asphalt needs repair which cuts off access to the terminal?
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 3:16 am

alasizon wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
I must have missed it, but didn't realize UA has been running PAE-PDX-DEN as a tag flight (but you can't book a connection in PDX and have to go to DEN first, as is the same with the other UA tag flights vs AS tag flights). It would make more sense to me to stop at a ton of other smaller airports between PAE and DEN and consolidate, than a large city like PDX. Now that I'm looking at it more, it's also surprising UA is only running 1 E75 on PDX-DEN (vs much smaller airports running same frequency and gauge, but no WN competition).

With regards to the construction...if this is new ramp space, what happened that would have caused a pre-COVID crisis 4 month construction project on a brand new ramp?


I believe only the immediate ground around the terminal is new, the rest I believe is the existing asphalt. Perhaps the asphalt needs repair which cuts off access to the terminal?

The ramp is new, but the asphalt is too soft for the E175, causing them to sink into the ground a bit. They've broken several shear pins on pushback thanks to that. This should completely redo all that new pavement so planes don't sink anymore.
 
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 3:05 pm

The Seattle Times said they will replace the asphalt with concrete.
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 4:20 pm

enilria wrote:
I suspect AS suggested this


Oof, you'll never skip an opportunity to take a shot at AS will you?
 
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 5:13 pm

Presumably Boeing will be unaffected by this? Since the construction is focused around the ramp and not the runways & taxiways.
 
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 5:42 pm

madpropsyo wrote:
enilria wrote:
I suspect AS suggested this


Oof, you'll never skip an opportunity to take a shot at AS will you?


How’s it a shot? Presumably AS and the airport had been in touch about the pavement issues. Of course AS would suggest making the repairs during a period of historically low demand (and also historically low road traffic, which takes away a big part of PAE’s appeal). If the issue had been at, say, DAL, you can almost guarantee WN would have done the same thing.
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 5:58 pm

mwthekoopinator wrote:
alasizon wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
I must have missed it, but didn't realize UA has been running PAE-PDX-DEN as a tag flight (but you can't book a connection in PDX and have to go to DEN first, as is the same with the other UA tag flights vs AS tag flights). It would make more sense to me to stop at a ton of other smaller airports between PAE and DEN and consolidate, than a large city like PDX. Now that I'm looking at it more, it's also surprising UA is only running 1 E75 on PDX-DEN (vs much smaller airports running same frequency and gauge, but no WN competition).

With regards to the construction...if this is new ramp space, what happened that would have caused a pre-COVID crisis 4 month construction project on a brand new ramp?


I believe only the immediate ground around the terminal is new, the rest I believe is the existing asphalt. Perhaps the asphalt needs repair which cuts off access to the terminal?

The ramp is new, but the asphalt is too soft for the E175, causing them to sink into the ground a bit. They've broken several shear pins on pushback thanks to that. This should completely redo all that new pavement so planes don't sink anymore.


Sounds like a pretty poor design then considering WN was planning on using 737s and AS was always expected to upgauge in the future as well.
 
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 6:26 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
mwthekoopinator wrote:
alasizon wrote:

I believe only the immediate ground around the terminal is new, the rest I believe is the existing asphalt. Perhaps the asphalt needs repair which cuts off access to the terminal?

The ramp is new, but the asphalt is too soft for the E175, causing them to sink into the ground a bit. They've broken several shear pins on pushback thanks to that. This should completely redo all that new pavement so planes don't sink anymore.


Sounds like a pretty poor design then considering WN was planning on using 737s and AS was always expected to upgauge in the future as well.


Sounds like a very poor design or a manufacturing defect. I can't imagine the original design called for asphalt that didn't meet normal standards.
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Re: PAE/Paine Field 10-week suspension

Sun May 17, 2020 7:06 pm

I was hoping for additional ramp space for the likes of Kenmore Air or San Juan Airlines, where they can be consolidated into one terminal.

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