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Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 10:20 am

If true, this is a game changer for A380 operations, spare parts supply situation, and overall type economics.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 10:30 am

Not good. It will be interesting how it handles its leased planes. Their oldest ones are near the end of their leases.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 10:32 am

Well... this is a dramatic reduction. Dramatic for the A380. But at the same time not very surprising. A dramatic situation for the whole industry.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 10:35 am

Phosphorus wrote:
If true, this is a game changer for A380 operations, spare parts supply situation, and overall type economics.
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2020 ... nd-pilots/


Interesting he says that EKs future is the 787 and 350. Are we to infer there will be a much larger reduction on orders for the 777X??

If true, on top of QR stating they will defer aircraft orders, then the 777X program is in big trouble.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 10:44 am

If you read the criteria for reducing the cabin crew through involuntary measures, you will see that this is not a very nice company.

When they are actively violating HR standards that the western world has established for decency, who cares about the 380?
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 10:51 am

I always had a feeling EK struggled once they retired the remaining A332. For many markets the 773 was simply too big. Hopefully B787 helps them in that regard.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 10:51 am

Story written by an unknown flight attendant no sources mentioned whatsoever on an obscure website. Yeah legit 100%!
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 10:57 am

jfklganyc wrote:
If you read the criteria for reducing the cabin crew through involuntary measures, you will see that this is not a very nice company.

When they are actively violating HR standards pthat the western world has established for decency, who cares about the 380?


What western world, this is a global issue. Western Legacy carriers are doing the same (bit more subtle maybe, same result) , this is (global) economic reality 2020 , lets get real !
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:14 am

I reported this 3 weeks ago, but as ever I was accused of having an agenda etc. 40% btw is the low estimate, plans exists for 70%.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:14 am

Emirates' fleet policy has been completely insane since they retired the 332. When you just operate two massive aircraft types of just had to backfire at some point because there are so many markets that do not need this sort of capacity.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:16 am

Wonder if they will allow flydubai to take over some flying on thin routes. That could be a good short term option to avoid cutting cities outright.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:29 am

Not really unexpected. What is more interesting is what will happen to remaining eight(?) undelivered A380s, and 777X. Probably time to exchange those to 787.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:30 am

In fairness, I think this rumour is going around quite widely in EK and also among ex-EK people, where I heard it. There is an announcement imminent and while I wouldn't base anything on an anonymous post by an anonymous EK F/A, the story is not without some basis. (And let's be honest, no EK F/A is going to post it on FB or another well known outlet!)

Let's just wait for confirmation of what's actually going to happen; I suspect it's not going to be long in coming.

From what I have heard, about 50 A380s are to be grounded; several F/Os will go and several captains will be demoted to FO. However, one would assume that these demoted captains could then become captains again on the A350; the conversion from A380 to A350 is fairly quick (relatively speaking). Not good for staff morale, but every airline in the world is going to be taking steps which aren't good for staff morale. Trouble is, of course, in the UAE, there's little in the way of employee protections and no social safety net.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:32 am

cougar15 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
If you read the criteria for reducing the cabin crew through involuntary measures, you will see that this is not a very nice company.

When they are actively violating HR standards pthat the western world has established for decency, who cares about the 380?


What western world, this is a global issue. Western Legacy carriers are doing the same (bit more subtle maybe, same result) , this is (global) economic reality 2020 , lets get real !



The western airlines are firing people over 60??
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:35 am

Regardless if this story is true or not, the A380 game has changed when Airbus announced the end of the programme.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:43 am

emiratesdriver wrote:
I reported this 3 weeks ago, but as ever I was accused of having an agenda etc. 40% btw is the low estimate, plans exists for 70%.


I fully believes you emiratesdriver. You are super informed.

Also, I heards too that the 70pc 380 reducing plans are alive but didn't postings as I don't have link to source for publishing's it.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:53 am

jfklganyc wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
If you read the criteria for reducing the cabin crew through involuntary measures, you will see that this is not a very nice company.

When they are actively violating HR standards pthat the western world has established for decency, who cares about the 380?


What western world, this is a global issue. Western Legacy carriers are doing the same (bit more subtle maybe, same result) , this is (global) economic reality 2020 , lets get real !



The western airlines are firing people over 60??


What can one say? Western job protections don't apply. Now, if you want to argue that separations over disciplinary and performance issues aren't valid, that only seniority rules should apply, you can find lots of non-union staff to disagree with you there, too, even in the West.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 11:57 am

jfklganyc wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
If you read the criteria for reducing the cabin crew through involuntary measures, you will see that this is not a very nice company.

When they are actively violating HR standards pthat the western world has established for decency, who cares about the 380?


What western world, this is a global issue. Western Legacy carriers are doing the same (bit more subtle maybe, same result) , this is (global) economic reality 2020 , lets get real !



The western airlines are firing people over 60??


People who go to work in the Gulf know full well that once you cease being useful, you will be chucked out. Age is a proxy for "usefullness," and it is ruthless what they do there. For someone from the west this is hard to digest...but no one is surprised. It is just how it is in the Gulf.

In the west, seniority is the driver of layoffs. It can be argued that saving senior crew at the expense of the most junior crew is also ruthless. Junior crew are lower paid and can least afford to lose their jobs.

It is a sad state of affairs no matter how you slice it.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 12:21 pm

Also it is stated as rumour, pretty sure, we will see something like this. What I do not know, but now regular ask me, will there be a a revival of the hub and spoke system, perhaps now with smaller jets between the hubs, like the A350/B787/A330 or will we see now the final win of the point to point system? Is there enough demand left, to fly point to point any more?
Pretty sure there will be some demand for the big planes of Emirates between the big hubs in some time.

But I ask myself, will Emirates still take up the last 8 pending A380 birds? Parts are all build. and most of them are already in Toulouse. Emirates have to take them up, else Airbus will not able to get rid of the last A380. This will be a high loss.
If any, how many of the B777X they will anymore take up? If Emirates, Qatar and Etihad significantly reduces the orders and other defer them to a later time, then...
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 12:23 pm

The A380 is one thing...if by year end traffic figures continue to be as grim as they are today...the 779 may be next...deferrals or outright cancellations...


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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 12:41 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
emiratesdriver wrote:
I reported this 3 weeks ago, but as ever I was accused of having an agenda etc. 40% btw is the low estimate, plans exists for 70%.


I fully believes you emiratesdriver. You are super informed.

Also, I heards too that the 70pc 380 reducing plans are alive but didn't postings as I don't have link to source for publishing's it.


It makes perfect sense, having only A380's and 77W's isn't a good position to be in when it looks likely the 2019 levels of air travel will take many years to return.
Add the fact that people will probably wish to avoid hubs in addition all airlines will be super keen for business and this sounds a perfect storm for EK.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 12:42 pm

I think it’s a bit off to compare the 777X to the A380 in all honesty. It’s sits about 120-125 passengers less - STCs words. But let’s even forget passengers because there’s really no one flying that much for any wide body anyway. But the 777X has excellent cargo capabilities. The A380 has proven to be absolutely useless in this period. Zero use of it. It can’t carry passengers neither can it carry cargo. The 777X will only cargo at a profit at the right price the 77W already does that for airlines like BA. So to compare the two is just a bit off. You might as well compare the 77W to the A380 at once. Just because they’re the biggest of both carriers does not make them the same class in anyway. The 380 will be useless for a very very long time which is why this is probably true.

So my own thinking is even if passenger numbers are low AT WORST they can move serious cargo and make some cash. LH confirmed today that indeed there is the opportunity to move 777x orders to cargo but no decision has been made and no decision will be made for a very long time. I think airlines are gauging to see what performance figures Boeing gives them. Initially I thought the 777X will be first out the door. Even with CX and the -10 story they hadn’t even gone to Boeing about it apparently. It was just being considered in-house. I don’t know for sure. But my point is to class the 777X in the same fate as the A380 is off. You might as well throw in the 77W in there as well
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 1:06 pm

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... thus a rumour is born.


Most rumors by former/present employees about EK ultimately became true. Of course there will never be an official statement even after 100% fleet is gone.

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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 1:17 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
If true, this is a game changer for A380 operations, spare parts supply situation, and overall type economics.
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2020 ... nd-pilots/


I'm kind of surprised at this. I thought Emirates had deep pockets and would be able to weather this storm if any airline could. I guess there are limits to how much cash they have.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 1:19 pm

Demand will eventually return. Even in the epicenter of the coronavirus in NYC, people are getting out again and phase I of the reopening hasn’t even begun yet here. People are beginning to think about summer travel plans and Emirates will eventually need the 777-9 because they have ONE very congested hub.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 1:45 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
If you read the criteria for reducing the cabin crew through involuntary measures, you will see that this is not a very nice company.

When they are actively violating HR standards pthat the western world has established for decency, who cares about the 380?


What western world, this is a global issue. Western Legacy carriers are doing the same (bit more subtle maybe, same result) , this is (global) economic reality 2020 , lets get real !



The western airlines are firing people over 60??


Is this a question or a statement?
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 1:55 pm

It is a question to which an answer is known.

Way to much normalization here of Emirates and their employment practices.

I have a big problem with the fact that they are looking at anyone 60 and over and firing them.

Who gives a damn about their plane plans when they treat humans like garbage.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 1:59 pm

atlflyer wrote:
Demand will eventually return. Even in the epicenter of the coronavirus in NYC, people are getting out again and phase I of the reopening hasn’t even begun yet here. People are beginning to think about summer travel plans and Emirates will eventually need the 777-9 because they have ONE very congested hub.


Key word is eventually...but not right now. Recent remarks by airline heads are recovery around 2023/24...IAGs Walsh even saying could be 2026 before traffic is back to 2019 levels.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 2:11 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
If you read the criteria for reducing the cabin crew through involuntary measures, you will see that this is not a very nice company.

When they are actively violating HR standards that the western world has established for decency, who cares about the 380?


Hate to say it but they are not the only ones hitting the immorality button. There’s a major UK airline which is threatening to sack its entire workforce and rehire them all in fiercely inferior contracts and pay. Another Irish airline which is discussing similar plans. Many airlines and their managers are using this pandemic as an excuse to complete a wish list of cost savings many of which are not necessary and going to cause far more suffering to their workforce’s than is ethical.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 2:53 pm

Another article by Blooberg that the Emirates Group considera cutting 30,000 jobs.

https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.bloombe ... 80s-faster
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:00 pm

brilondon wrote:
I'm kind of surprised at this. I thought Emirates had deep pockets and would be able to weather this storm if any airline could.


Just look at the GFC.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:08 pm

dfwking wrote:
Wonder if they will allow flydubai to take over some flying on thin routes. That could be a good short term option to avoid cutting cities outright.


I think Zagreb (ZAG) was the first destination where they tested this model. Emirates comes in in summer, flydubai takes over in winter. I wouldn't be surprised if more destinations get this model.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:10 pm

tonystan wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
If you read the criteria for reducing the cabin crew through involuntary measures, you will see that this is not a very nice company.

When they are actively violating HR standards that the western world has established for decency, who cares about the 380?


Hate to say it but they are not the only ones hitting the immorality button. There’s a major UK airline which is threatening to sack its entire workforce and rehire them all in fiercely inferior contracts and pay. Another Irish airline which is discussing similar plans. Many airlines and their managers are using this pandemic as an excuse to complete a wish list of cost savings many of which are not necessary and going to cause far more suffering to their workforce’s than is ethical.


Just today it was also announced that Austrian Airlines pilots accepted at 42% reduction in salaries until 2023. Though I have a feeling management will not bring it back to 100% after that period especially not if OS remains loss-making.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:27 pm

Think of all these airports that spent billions to get 380 ready. What a waste
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:33 pm

Faro wrote:
The A380 is one thing...if by year end traffic figures continue to be as grim as they are today...the 779 may be next...deferrals or outright cancellations...


Faro


Indeed, and I can't imagine things look too positive for the 777-300ER either.


LightChop2Chop wrote:
Think of all these airports that spent billions to get 380 ready. What a waste


Big airplanes (both in capacity and in wingspan) will come around again some day.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:33 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
Think of all these airports that spent billions to get 380 ready. What a waste


Which airports spent billions to get A380s?
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:46 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Faro wrote:
The A380 is one thing...if by year end traffic figures continue to be as grim as they are today...the 779 may be next...deferrals or outright cancellations...


Faro


Indeed, and I can't imagine things look too positive for the 777-300ER either.


LightChop2Chop wrote:
Think of all these airports that spent billions to get 380 ready. What a waste


Big airplanes (both in capacity and in wingspan) will come around again some day.

The 77W has been really the aircraft performing in this entire period for all airlines that have them. Especially airlines that don’t have cargo aircraft. It will be fine
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:47 pm

scbriml wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
Think of all these airports that spent billions to get 380 ready. What a waste


Which airports spent billions to get A380s?


I think he means collectively speaking.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 3:52 pm

Heathrow had to rebuild and relocate a lot of taxiways to become A380 compliant, LAX had similar issues
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 4:05 pm

Opus99 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
Faro wrote:
The A380 is one thing...if by year end traffic figures continue to be as grim as they are today...the 779 may be next...deferrals or outright cancellations...


Faro


Indeed, and I can't imagine things look too positive for the 777-300ER either.


LightChop2Chop wrote:
Think of all these airports that spent billions to get 380 ready. What a waste


Big airplanes (both in capacity and in wingspan) will come around again some day.

The 77W has been really the aircraft performing in this entire period for all airlines that have them. Especially airlines that don’t have cargo aircraft. It will be fine


Cargo is going to crash sooner rather than later. The extreme demand for cargo demand was just a small blip because flights got cut quickly and people still had money to spend. Those 777-300ERs will be difficult to fill not too far from now.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 4:14 pm

scbriml wrote:
LightChop2Chop wrote:
Think of all these airports that spent billions to get 380 ready. What a waste


Which airports spent billions to get A380s?

All together? Pretty sure, yes. Frankfurt airport has had planned to invest something like 100 million €.
https://www.fr.de/rhein-main/investitionen-airbus-11725530.html
Source is in German. I have not found any numbers of the performed investment at the end.

Of course, not only for the A380, it is also in use for the B747-8I and for other of the big ones, like the A350 and B777. But the A380 terminals are two floors building. these have to be rebuild, also the additional jet bridge will be re-used e.g. This has been already announced by Frankfurt airport, but sorry, I do not find the source any more. So it is not a complete loss.

But yes, pretty sure, globally billions have been spent by the airports.

EDIT: As just found. At Frankfurt Airport a new terminal section was built, called "Flugsteig A plus" with seven places fpr big planes, of them four for the A380. Total costs: 700 million €.
Archived source in German:
https://web.archive.org/web/20161206081738/http://www.fraport.de/de/presse/newsroom/archiv/2012/flughafen-frankfurt-eroeffnet-planmaessig-flugsteig-a-plus.html
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 4:26 pm

Official response from The Dubai government regarding this matter:

Emirates spokesperson: “No announcement has been made regarding mass redundancies at the airline. Any such decision will be communicated in an appropriate fashion. Like any responsible business would do, our executive team has directed all departments to conduct a thorough review of costs and resourcing against business projections, even as we prepare for gradual service resumption. As our Chairman has said, conserving cash, safeguarding our business, and preserving as much of as our skilled workforce as possible, remain our top priorities through this period.”

https://mediaoffice.ae/en/news/2020/May ... he-airline
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 5:06 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

Indeed, and I can't imagine things look too positive for the 777-300ER either.




Big airplanes (both in capacity and in wingspan) will come around again some day.

The 77W has been really the aircraft performing in this entire period for all airlines that have them. Especially airlines that don’t have cargo aircraft. It will be fine


Cargo is going to crash sooner rather than later. The extreme demand for cargo demand was just a small blip because flights got cut quickly and people still had money to spend. Those 777-300ERs will be difficult to fill not too far from now.

and what will be easy to fill? it's an aircraft that is right now cheap to operate and performs well. Cargo will stabilise but the same way passenger demand dropped and cargo picked up should be the reverse.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 5:06 pm

If true It's good news for the 77X. Some 77X were probably for growth. Assuming 2024 traffic = 2019 levels a lot of A380s would need to be phased out or a lot of 77X to be postponed/cancelled.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 5:08 pm

Opus99 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
The 77W has been really the aircraft performing in this entire period for all airlines that have them. Especially airlines that don’t have cargo aircraft. It will be fine


Cargo is going to crash sooner rather than later. The extreme demand for cargo demand was just a small blip because flights got cut quickly and people still had money to spend. Those 777-300ERs will be difficult to fill not too far from now.

and what will be easy to fill? it's an aircraft that is right now cheap to operate and performs well. Cargo will stabilise but the same way passenger demand dropped and cargo picked up should be the reverse.


You just made an argument in favour of the A380... :roll:
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 5:08 pm

airlinefreak1 wrote:
Official response from The Dubai government regarding this matter:

Emirates spokesperson: “No announcement has been made regarding mass redundancies at the airline. Any such decision will be communicated in an appropriate fashion. Like any responsible business would do, our executive team has directed all departments to conduct a thorough review of costs and resourcing against business projections, even as we prepare for gradual service resumption. As our Chairman has said, conserving cash, safeguarding our business, and preserving as much of as our skilled workforce as possible, remain our top priorities through this period.”

https://mediaoffice.ae/en/news/2020/May ... he-airline

A denial is something else.
"please wait for the official statement, how many we will kick".
This is, what is said, the rest is just "bla bla".

Please do not understand me wrongly, it will be OK, as every airline globally will be forced to lay of employees in the next time. It is the same for Emirates as for every other airline.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 5:15 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

Cargo is going to crash sooner rather than later. The extreme demand for cargo demand was just a small blip because flights got cut quickly and people still had money to spend. Those 777-300ERs will be difficult to fill not too far from now.

and what will be easy to fill? it's an aircraft that is right now cheap to operate and performs well. Cargo will stabilise but the same way passenger demand dropped and cargo picked up should be the reverse.


You just made an argument in favour of the A380... :roll:

LOOOL. But of course there’s a cap to that recovery I should add. Honestly though I think the 77W will be fine it’s very versatile
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 5:41 pm

A lot of whistling past the graveyard from the Usual Suspects, but when EK used to send 4 A388s a day to JFK, and now they are sending 2 B77Ws at most, even the most dedicated A380 advocate must be getting a little whiff of truth in this kind of rumor.
 
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 5:48 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Another article by Blooberg that the Emirates Group considera cutting 30,000 jobs.

https://www.google.ae/amp/s/www.bloombe ... 80s-faster

Direct link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... 80s-faster

Short quote:

Emirates Group is considering plans to cut about 30,000 jobs as the operator of the world’s largest long-haul carrier seeks to reduce costs after the coronavirus pandemic grounded air travel.

The Dubai-based group could slash the number of employees by about 30% from more than 105,000 at the end of March, according to people familiar with the matter. Emirates is also considering accelerating the retirement of its fleet of Airbus SE A380s -- of which it is the biggest operator, some of the people said, declining to be identified because the information hasn’t been made public.

Not a surprise. It's always the big aging birds that go to the desert during a crisis, and they rarely come back. 9/11 largely saw the end of the 747 classics, for instance.

emiratesdriver wrote:
I reported this 3 weeks ago, but as ever I was accused of having an agenda etc. 40% btw is the low estimate, plans exists for 70%.

Very interesting. I agree that it might not be the end.

Phosphorus wrote:
If true, this is a game changer for A380 operations, spare parts supply situation, and overall type economics.
https://www.paddleyourownkanoo.com/2020 ... nd-pilots/

Key quote: "A total of 46 Airbus A380’s have now been earmarked to be permanently retired and may never fly passengers ever again." so we'd see ~115 become ~70.

A 70% cut is suggested above, and it would get the fleet to around 35 frames.

I wouldn't be surprised if the EK A380 fleet ended up being around 40 aircraft sooner than many people here think.
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Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

Sun May 17, 2020 5:55 pm

Right now I'm certain that Emirates' management are conducting trade studies trying to determine what size they think the airline should be during "V-shaped" and "U-shaped" market recoveries. No matter which shape the recovery is there will be employee redundancies, aircraft decommissioned and open orders for new aircraft deferred or (possibly) canceled.

The A380 is their largest and most expensive aircraft that can only be economically used on a subset of their route network. The B77W's are their most flexable aircraft, more affordable to operate and offers better lower-hold cargo capacity than the A380. The days of on-board First Class suites and showers will soon go the way of the upper deck piano bars that some airlines used to have on the early B747's way back in the early-1970's. With the new pre-flight health screening post-COVID-19, the previous A380 First Class suite users (assuming they might still be liquid enough) will likely opt for chartering long-range biz jets to avoid the hassles. The way forward will be to offer more business class seats in place of the First Class cabins, but doing this will take away a bit of the A380's lore. The A380 is a great aircraft, but I'm afraid its days with all of its airlines are numbered.
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