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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 12:00 am

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By definition a grant is not expected to be paid back.
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 12:18 am

dcajet wrote:
Aeropostale wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
I don’t think anything could be more perfect to replace the 772s


Just wondering, would the 787-10 be able to do LHR-EZE in lieu of the 777-200ER BA has been using for several years? AFAIK it's BA´s longest 777 nonstop flight.


It used to be, LHR-SCL is now BA's longest nonstop flight, flown with 787-9. LHR-EZE is close to 13 hours each way; that seems pushing it a bit for the 787-10 w/o penalties of some kind.

Now, if you are referring to the 777 fleet, you are correct. EZE is the farthest destination served nonstop from LHR.


Thanks, but I was always referring to the 777, which is why I wrote “AFAIK it's BA’s longest 777 nonstop flight”. And when doing so I was quoting Opus99’s earlier comment that the 78J was probably the perfect replacement for the 772s. Santiago being a longer route is therefore totally irrelevant, given that it has never been regularly operated nonstop by BA’s 772s.

My question about the 78Js range was taking into account that, if BA one day decided to replace their 43 772s with 78Js (as Opus99’s comment was hypothetically suggesting), they would probably order a few more than the 12 78J they have ordered so far, and nothing would prevent them from ordering them with crew rest facilities and without First if they intended to use them to replace their 772s. The only thing they can’t order is additional range, which is the reason for my initial question (which somewhere in between all this correcting has thankfully also been answered).
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 12:33 am

Looks like the delivery of BA first 787-10 has been delayed till Sunday 0800. (Viewed on story)

Source - https://www.instagram.com/zul_aviation/
 
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 12:47 am

What’s the refresh to the First class seat? Or is it simply the same as the 789 and the refresh refers to the difference between 777/744 and 789?
 
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Tue May 19, 2020 1:50 am

smi0006 wrote:
What’s the refresh to the First class seat? Or is it simply the same as the 789 and the refresh refers to the difference between 777/744 and 789?

the exact same as the 789. The 77w will get a modified version of the first class seat on the 789 and the 779 will get a completely brand new first seat
 
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 4:47 am

Arion640 wrote:
Junglejames wrote:
Aeropostale wrote:

BA never operated LHR-SCL with 777s. I was (explicitly) referring to 777 routes.
The last time I checked, it was Gatwick to Santiago.
BAs longest non stop flight full stop, and a 777.

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You’re thinking of Lima.
That's the one. My sincere and most humble of apologies.
Gatwick to Lima.
Santiago as the others say is a 787.

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Tue May 19, 2020 5:56 am

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The 789 is probably too small for LGW especially since the densification of the 777 and the regular demand on some of BAs routes obviously in normal times.


With the 787’s increased efficiency (compared to the 772), is the densification needed? In other words, could the 787 still make money for BA at LGW leisure route prices?

An awful lot of competitors were using 787s from LGW.

It’s all moot now, given there is debate about BA ever resuming LGW ops. (Personally, I think they will return to LGW, but LGW ops will be restarted much later, e.g. maybe even a year or 18 months after flights resume at LHR)
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Tue May 19, 2020 7:53 am

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Read what people have said...
It’s going on no long trips...
No C/C rest......
East coast..... ATL...mid west...
Middle East...

That’s your lot


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Wed May 20, 2020 5:07 pm

vhtje wrote:
BA174 wrote:
The 789 is probably too small for LGW especially since the densification of the 777 and the regular demand on some of BAs routes obviously in normal times.


With the 787’s increased efficiency (compared to the 772), is the densification needed? In other words, could the 787 still make money for BA at LGW leisure route prices?

An awful lot of competitors were using 787s from LGW.

It’s all moot now, given there is debate about BA ever resuming LGW ops. (Personally, I think they will return to LGW, but LGW ops will be restarted much later, e.g. maybe even a year or 18 months after flights resume at LHR)


LGW ops are due to restart on July 1st if the government doesn't impose silly quarantine rules. Cancun, Tampa, Orlando, Punta Cana, Mauritius, Las Vegas, Barbados, Bermuda, St Lucia and Antigua all due to return. So no Lima or San Jose (or LGW-JFK/YYZ) and frequencies reduced, but essentially the plan is to resume most of it. Obviously subject to change.

The 789 would work well at Gatwick. Not every market needs 336 seats. It works to Orlando and a few others in the peak summer season but is a bit too much at season boundaries. Extra capacity to where it's needed - Orlando and Caribbean at peak times, could just have extra frequencies or the 787-10 could do the entire network except for MRU, SJO and LIM - although LAS might be a push in the hot summer months. I'd imagine the 789 works well as one fleet there in the future. The A350-1000 is too big really.

2029 sees only 8 772s in the fleet at the last plan so presumably all GE ones will be gone by then as they'd be about ~30 years old.

The 787-10 has flight crew rest, but not CC rest. That said, DFW/SEA is likely to be the furthest it'll go.
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 5:50 pm

How an earth are US destinations from LGW, or indeed LHR going to start in about 5 weeks? Really??? They just keep shuffling dates back a month every four weeks. Is the Caribbean ready for thousands of incomers?
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 5:59 pm

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The 787-10 has flight crew rest, but not CC rest. That said, DFW/SEA is likely to be the furthest it'll go.


Why didn't BA just include a cabin crew rest since they were getting pilot rest anyway? With only 256 seats, the B787-10 should have impressive range - United flies their 318-seat B787-10 on 11-hour flights like TLV-EWR.
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Wed May 20, 2020 6:12 pm

BA777FO wrote:
vhtje wrote:
BA174 wrote:
The 789 is probably too small for LGW especially since the densification of the 777 and the regular demand on some of BAs routes obviously in normal times.


With the 787’s increased efficiency (compared to the 772), is the densification needed? In other words, could the 787 still make money for BA at LGW leisure route prices?

An awful lot of competitors were using 787s from LGW.

It’s all moot now, given there is debate about BA ever resuming LGW ops. (Personally, I think they will return to LGW, but LGW ops will be restarted much later, e.g. maybe even a year or 18 months after flights resume at LHR)


LGW ops are due to restart on July 1st if the government doesn't impose silly quarantine rules. Cancun, Tampa, Orlando, Punta Cana, Mauritius, Las Vegas, Barbados, Bermuda, St Lucia and Antigua all due to return. So no Lima or San Jose (or LGW-JFK/YYZ) and frequencies reduced, but essentially the plan is to resume most of it. Obviously subject to change.

The 789 would work well at Gatwick. Not every market needs 336 seats. It works to Orlando and a few others in the peak summer season but is a bit too much at season boundaries. Extra capacity to where it's needed - Orlando and Caribbean at peak times, could just have extra frequencies or the 787-10 could do the entire network except for MRU, SJO and LIM - although LAS might be a push in the hot summer months. I'd imagine the 789 works well as one fleet there in the future. The A350-1000 is too big really.

2029 sees only 8 772s in the fleet at the last plan so presumably all GE ones will be gone by then as they'd be about ~30 years old.

The 787-10 has flight crew rest, but not CC rest. That said, DFW/SEA is likely to be the furthest it'll go.

my bet is on the 787-10 to replace the LHR 777s
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 7:21 pm

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G-VIIO, P, and R were new to BA at Gatwick. I worked the ramp on R on it's first revenue service. I told the captain on his pre-flight walk around, he wasn't even aware....


Yes, it was only in the last couple of years due to the Dreamliner shortages that these three did stints operating at LHR. Solid LGW based for all of their working lives I believe.
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 7:33 pm

Is it confirmed the delivery was delayed to Sunday?
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 8:52 pm

Channex101 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
LGW always gets LHR hand-me-downs when it comes to BA.


At least two of the 777s @LGW are the newest -200ERs and non of the G-GAT 320s are ex LHR so not entirely true

The G-GAT’s are all second hand, though, so while not LHR hand me downs, they’re not all singing, all dancing factory fresh examples, either.
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 9:36 pm

Channex101 wrote:
TC957 wrote:
LGW always gets LHR hand-me-downs when it comes to BA.


At least two of the 777s @LGW are the newest -200ERs and non of the G-GAT 320s are ex LHR so not entirely true


Gatwick based G-YMMR and G-YMMS were part of the last batch of four -200ER’s delivered in 2009. However, they were swapped with two others from Heathrow well before COVID19. I think it was G-YMME and G-YMMF that transferred from Heathrow.
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 9:40 pm

Opus99 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
vhtje wrote:

With the 787’s increased efficiency (compared to the 772), is the densification needed? In other words, could the 787 still make money for BA at LGW leisure route prices?

An awful lot of competitors were using 787s from LGW.

It’s all moot now, given there is debate about BA ever resuming LGW ops. (Personally, I think they will return to LGW, but LGW ops will be restarted much later, e.g. maybe even a year or 18 months after flights resume at LHR)


LGW ops are due to restart on July 1st if the government doesn't impose silly quarantine rules. Cancun, Tampa, Orlando, Punta Cana, Mauritius, Las Vegas, Barbados, Bermuda, St Lucia and Antigua all due to return. So no Lima or San Jose (or LGW-JFK/YYZ) and frequencies reduced, but essentially the plan is to resume most of it. Obviously subject to change.

The 789 would work well at Gatwick. Not every market needs 336 seats. It works to Orlando and a few others in the peak summer season but is a bit too much at season boundaries. Extra capacity to where it's needed - Orlando and Caribbean at peak times, could just have extra frequencies or the 787-10 could do the entire network except for MRU, SJO and LIM - although LAS might be a push in the hot summer months. I'd imagine the 789 works well as one fleet there in the future. The A350-1000 is too big really.

2029 sees only 8 772s in the fleet at the last plan so presumably all GE ones will be gone by then as they'd be about ~30 years old.

The 787-10 has flight crew rest, but not CC rest. That said, DFW/SEA is likely to be the furthest it'll go.

my bet is on the 787-10 to replace the LHR 777s


That would seem logical. I guess they can play off the order with Airbus for the best deal.
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 10:13 pm

Not sure the big fuss over these Gatwick planes being second hand. In the case of the 777’s they had a higher standard interior than much of the LHR fleet for a period of time.
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 11:15 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Not sure the big fuss over these Gatwick planes being second hand. In the case of the 777’s they had a higher standard interior than much of the LHR fleet for a period of time.

The 777s aren’t second hand. It’s not a fuss, it’s more the case that LGW’s ROI vs LHR was inferior and so capital spending on new aircraft was concentrated there.
So by the time the later Rolls Royce B777s turn up at Gatters they’re paid off. It’s not like LGW is a B787 hotspot really. Aside from Norwegian, TUI and a couple of Westjets, isn’t that it? And Norwegians strategy of spending billions on a new B787 fleet didn’t end well in that market. Given VS just closed LGW, am not sure that market is going to be in a good place anytime soon.
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 6:51 am

CRJ900 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
The 787-10 has flight crew rest, but not CC rest. That said, DFW/SEA is likely to be the furthest it'll go.


Why didn't BA just include a cabin crew rest since they were getting pilot rest anyway? With only 256 seats, the B787-10 should have impressive range - United flies their 318-seat B787-10 on 11-hour flights like TLV-EWR.


Because BA never intended to use them on flights of more than ~4000nm. SEA and DFW is as far as it'll fly, so there was no point in adding a cabin crew rest facility that added millions to the cost of the aircraft. They determined that on flights over 10+ hours or so they'd end up trading too much payload capability. That may end up being a conservative assessment but they have other aeroplanes (789, 77W, A380 and eventually 779) for the 10+ hour segments.
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 7:13 am

skipness1E wrote:
How an earth are US destinations from LGW, or indeed LHR going to start in about 5 weeks? Really??? They just keep shuffling dates back a month every four weeks. Is the Caribbean ready for thousands of incomers?


Las Vegas is taking reservations from this weekend - it won't be business as usual but they're starting restricted openings of casinos etc.

Clearwater beach is now open - good news for Tampa. I doubt Disney World theme parks will be open on July 1st but people may still wish to travel for other reasons (no idea when Universal Studios may open?) But Florida is making steps to end their lockdown.

Antigua and St Lucia are to open up in a limited fasion from June 1st. So a July 1st start date is not unreasonable. I've not seen anything about Barbados or Jamaica but those flights are in the system to go. Same with Bermuda. Many of those going to KIN and BDA have residency anyway so may not have many restrictions on their entry.

Back to the 787-10 - it'll start flying in June initially on cargo only flights. Destination remains to be confirmed.
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 7:24 am

While all these things might be opening, uk citizens (and European citizens) cannot even enter the united states at the moment, and while the foreign office continue to recommend no travel, it sounds like BAs plans are just their current guess.
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Thu May 21, 2020 7:33 am

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Clearwater beach is now open - good news for Tampa. I doubt Disney World theme parks will be open on July 1st but people may still wish to travel for other reasons (no idea when Universal Studios may open?) But Florida is making steps to end their lockdown.


The parks are working on plans how to reopen safely. Disneyland Shanghai could be a clue as to what to expect in Florida, though Universal are making a pitch today with their plans...

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/walt- ... ning-plans

It will be interesting to see what gets proposed. I'm envisaging things such as caps on daily visitor numbers (which might mean having to pre-book a day you want to visit), improved cleaning regimes, etc.

Does anybody know if the US are allowing visitors from the UK other European countries yet? That could impact when BA and others restart flights to certain destinations.
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 7:48 am

skipness1E wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Not sure the big fuss over these Gatwick planes being second hand. In the case of the 777’s they had a higher standard interior than much of the LHR fleet for a period of time.

The 777s aren’t second hand. It’s not a fuss, it’s more the case that LGW’s ROI vs LHR was inferior and so capital spending on new aircraft was concentrated there.
So by the time the later Rolls Royce B777s turn up at Gatters they’re paid off. It’s not like LGW is a B787 hotspot really. Aside from Norwegian, TUI and a couple of Westjets, isn’t that it? And Norwegians strategy of spending billions on a new B787 fleet didn’t end well in that market. Given VS just closed LGW, am not sure that market is going to be in a good place anytime soon.


I should of re-phrased sorry. I was talking with the A320’s in mind, with the 777’s there starting to get refurbished before the LHR ones did.

It is BA’s leisure hub at the end of the day, so BA’s passengers are less likely to be interested about the quality of the interior. Perhaps a decision any good business person would make?
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 8:14 am

Arion640 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Not sure the big fuss over these Gatwick planes being second hand. In the case of the 777’s they had a higher standard interior than much of the LHR fleet for a period of time.

The 777s aren’t second hand. It’s not a fuss, it’s more the case that LGW’s ROI vs LHR was inferior and so capital spending on new aircraft was concentrated there.
So by the time the later Rolls Royce B777s turn up at Gatters they’re paid off. It’s not like LGW is a B787 hotspot really. Aside from Norwegian, TUI and a couple of Westjets, isn’t that it? And Norwegians strategy of spending billions on a new B787 fleet didn’t end well in that market. Given VS just closed LGW, am not sure that market is going to be in a good place anytime soon.


I should of re-phrased sorry. I was talking with the A320’s in mind, with the 777’s there starting to get refurbished before the LHR ones did.

It is BA’s leisure hub at the end of the day, so BA’s passengers are less likely to be interested about the quality of the interior. Perhaps a decision any good business person would make?

The notion that leisure passengers will fly on any old junk died when Dan Air was kicked into touch by the Air 2000s of the world. Any reading on flyertalk shows just how annoyed the market is about the unwashed state of the non refurbished aircraft at both LHR and LGW. This is just BA doing as little as they can, remember LGW only got real attention when Norwegian made BA raise their game. Clapped out B772 vs. brand new B787 wasn’t a BA win as people did care about the poor product offering.

As for the US being open to the UK in July? Am not sure the UK will be open to itself in July never mind anyone else. Time will tell.
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 8:23 am

While it may be BA's best guess as to when FCO advice and entry restrictions will ease/change I'd imagine there's a lot of lobbying behind the scenes and discussions as to future policy. Willie Walsh has made clear that he believes introducing a quarantine rule now is closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

LGW short haul only recently (within the past few years) became profitable in its own right, LGW longhaul has been consistently profitable for a long time - I think BA are, certainly now for the forseeable future, happy to run with a densified cabin that has a lower CASK than a 787 (especially so in a low fuel cost environment) that has to be financed. WW has been heard to say (not sure if it's been documented/published) that Norwegian were reportedly paying €1m+ a month for their 787s, Level were using Iberia's A330s for ~€600,000. A paid off 777 with 336 seats would be a goldmine...if you can fill it. That will be the test over the next few years.

It's a possibility that in the future a reconfigured 3 class 787-10 could be at LGW (10+ years away) but I doubt LGW will get new deliveries. It's been a long running joke that many in Waterside don't even know BA still has a base at LGW. That said, it was always an opportunist negotiating tactic with crew to say BA may never reopen at LGW. It was always plainly nonsense.
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 1:20 pm

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Why would an airline that is struggling to survive be spending money on a brand new airplane? Makes no sense. Part of ANY government assistance should include NO NEW AIRPLANES at all until the TAXPAYERS are made whole and 100% of the government assistance is paid in full!


So are you going to hold every other business in the US that is getting CARES grants to the same standard? Their loans become grants in about 120 days.

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Thu May 21, 2020 1:38 pm

So... looks like Sunday delivery it is?
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 2:19 pm

Ishrion wrote:
So... looks like Sunday delivery it is?


Ah well. according to the Airbus A350 Production/Delivery thread BA took delivery of their sixth A350-1000 yesterday [20 May] - a sort of warm up act for the arrival of a new sub-type on Sunday. :)
 
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Thu May 21, 2020 9:23 pm

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LGW gets no capital investment in new aircraft. Since the based B732 fleet in the 1980s, they have taken on delivery one single new build Dan Air ordered B734 in 1993 (G-BUHK)...


Dan Air ordered a new aeroplane? I find that hard to believe!
 
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Sun May 24, 2020 6:44 pm

Well, guess it wasn’t Sunday delivery either.
 
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Sun May 24, 2020 6:55 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Well, guess it wasn’t Sunday delivery either.


There's still half of Sunday left in Seattle.
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Sun May 24, 2020 6:55 pm

It’s next Sunday now.
 
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Sun May 24, 2020 6:56 pm

DrPaul wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
LGW gets no capital investment in new aircraft. Since the based B732 fleet in the 1980s, they have taken on delivery one single new build Dan Air ordered B734 in 1993 (G-BUHK)...


Dan Air ordered a new aeroplane? I find that hard to believe!

I apologise, it was leased from ILFC.
 
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Sun May 24, 2020 7:01 pm

scbriml wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Well, guess it wasn’t Sunday delivery either.


There's still half of Sunday left in Seattle.


It’s in Charleston, and I was talking about the arrival time into LHR because that was the last rumor - Sunday morning arrival.

But as said above, looks like it’s next Sunday.
 
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BA 787-10

Fri May 29, 2020 10:53 pm

Apparently BA's first 787-10 was supposed to be delivered this weekend.

Does anyone have any details of departure and arrival?
 
rbavfan
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 3:53 am

AA747123 wrote:
Why would an airline that is struggling to survive be spending money on a brand new airplane? Makes no sense. Part of ANY government assistance should include NO NEW AIRPLANES at all until the TAXPAYERS are made whole and 100% of the government assistance is paid in full!


Ask AA the same thing. Answer is you have a contract to buy them. You cannot just walk away from those orders when they are ready to deliver. You can negotiate spreading them out if you are a top customer though.
 
dcajet
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 4:47 am

rbavfan wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
Why would an airline that is struggling to survive be spending money on a brand new airplane? Makes no sense. Part of ANY government assistance should include NO NEW AIRPLANES at all until the TAXPAYERS are made whole and 100% of the government assistance is paid in full!


Ask AA the same thing. Answer is you have a contract to buy them. You cannot just walk away from those orders when they are ready to deliver. You can negotiate spreading them out if you are a top customer though.


These planes are already financed; in fact, their financing was arranged long before the pandemic. No rescue money goes into paying for these or any other new aircraft. It would also be incredibly onerous for either BA or AA to walk away from these contracts.
Keep calm and wash your hands.
 
jfk777
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 10:58 am

rbavfan wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
Why would an airline that is struggling to survive be spending money on a brand new airplane? Makes no sense. Part of ANY government assistance should include NO NEW AIRPLANES at all until the TAXPAYERS are made whole and 100% of the government assistance is paid in full!


Ask AA the same thing. Answer is you have a contract to buy them. You cannot just walk away from those orders when they are ready to deliver. You can negotiate spreading them out if you are a top customer though.


Washington is trying to help Boeing too, no new planes would be bad for business.
 
Ishrion
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Sun May 31, 2020 10:43 pm

Delivery wasn't today either.
 
ewt340
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Re: British Airways to take delivery of first 787-10 arriving at LHR around 8am on 21 May 2020

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:06 am

I'm surprised they didn't order more of the -10. It seems like a perfect aircraft for their TATL and middle east operations.

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