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March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Tue May 19, 2020 6:05 pm

I was researching pm-CO and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pTgZ4X8iw
World's first trans-polar flight on a 777 from EWR to HKG. This was months before 9/11 and CO and truly an innovator linking the 2 cities non-stop for the first time.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Tue May 19, 2020 6:12 pm

DL quickly followed up with a JFK-PEK transpolar demonstration flight on 3/7, with a PEK-ATL return.

viewtopic.php?t=75545
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Tue May 19, 2020 9:01 pm

United launched JFK-HKG around the same time. It was on a 747-400 and it did not work out for them and was cut. As I recall, UA's 777s did not have the range to operate NY to HKG nonstop. Not sure if it had to do with the P/W vs. GE90 engines that powered the CO 772ER fleet. I think the UA 744 took weight penalties as well as the 744 did not have the legs to do JFK-HKG with a full complement of pax and cargo.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Tue May 19, 2020 9:14 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
United launched JFK-HKG around the same time. It was on a 747-400 and it did not work out for them and was cut. As I recall, UA's 777s did not have the range to operate NY to HKG nonstop. Not sure if it had to do with the P/W vs. GE90 engines that powered the CO 772ER fleet. I think the UA 744 took weight penalties as well as the 744 did not have the legs to do JFK-HKG with a full complement of pax and cargo.



Pretty hard to imagine that any 747-400 could not handle that kind of leg, usually around 15 hours?
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Tue May 19, 2020 9:44 pm

x1234 wrote:
I was researching pm-CO and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pTgZ4X8iw
World's first trans-polar flight on a 777 from EWR to HKG. This was months before 9/11 and CO and truly an innovator linking the 2 cities non-stop for the first time.


Maybe I am completely wrong, but I remember reading that CX was flying nonstop from New York to Hong Kong as early as 1996?
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Tue May 19, 2020 9:56 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
United launched JFK-HKG around the same time. It was on a 747-400 and it did not work out for them and was cut. As I recall, UA's 777s did not have the range to operate NY to HKG nonstop. Not sure if it had to do with the P/W vs. GE90 engines that powered the CO 772ER fleet. I think the UA 744 took weight penalties as well as the 744 did not have the legs to do JFK-HKG with a full complement of pax and cargo.



Pretty hard to imagine that any 747-400 could not handle that kind of leg, usually around 15 hours?


Not without a weight penalty, no. I think CX was operating the 747-400 on HKG-YVR-JFK and the nonstop on the A340 in the early days of CX JFK operations.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Tue May 19, 2020 9:56 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
United launched JFK-HKG around the same time. It was on a 747-400 and it did not work out for them and was cut. As I recall, UA's 777s did not have the range to operate NY to HKG nonstop. Not sure if it had to do with the P/W vs. GE90 engines that powered the CO 772ER fleet. I think the UA 744 took weight penalties as well as the 744 did not have the legs to do JFK-HKG with a full complement of pax and cargo.



Pretty hard to imagine that any 747-400 could not handle that kind of leg, usually around 15 hours?


It could operate it, they just had to reduce payload.

See:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1405099
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Tue May 19, 2020 10:25 pm

SurlyBonds wrote:
x1234 wrote:
I was researching pm-CO and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pTgZ4X8iw
World's first trans-polar flight on a 777 from EWR to HKG. This was months before 9/11 and CO and truly an innovator linking the 2 cities non-stop for the first time.


Maybe I am completely wrong, but I remember reading that CX was flying nonstop from New York to Hong Kong as early as 1996?


Not nonstop, no. CX started JFK-HKG nonstop in 2004.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 1:27 am

BravoOne wrote:
Pretty hard to imagine that any 747-400 could not handle that kind of leg, usually around 15 hours?


More like 16 hours westbound, and, no, it's just a bit too much for a 747-400 in typical configuration unless you block off some seats.

The 777-300ER has about an extra 45 minutes of range compared to the 744 in typical configurations for both, and that's just enough to make the difference.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 1:59 am

CX planned 3 343 with heavy J class seating around 180 pax for HKG-JFK non-stop, those trio were from SQ 9V-SJA-C, they dropped the plan after 911 when the planes were receiving the final touches in Germany and the trio joined the fleet with same config as others in the fleet, before that, CX done few trial non-stop YYZ-HKG
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 2:40 am

Found the thread 16 years ago!
viewtopic.php?t=248141

It was A346 took the honor for HKG-JFK non-stop.
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 3:49 am

Sorry, but at 4:38, is the pilot wearing a mask?
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 4:47 am

Dreamflight767 wrote:
Sorry, but at 4:38, is the pilot wearing a mask?


No. The lower half of the captain's face is obscured by the glare shield.
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 5:24 am

Nice piece of Nostalgia, would anyone here know if the GE powered 777-200er has a better range than RR or PW powered versions or do all 777-200er have the same performance?
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 12:37 pm

x1234 wrote:
I was researching pm-CO and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pTgZ4X8iw
World's first trans-polar flight on a 777 from EWR to HKG. This was months before 9/11 and CO and truly an innovator linking the 2 cities non-stop for the first time.


Interesting. While filming his return trip, at the 23:55 mark, it's not HKG airport though. Weird.

SurlyBonds wrote:

Maybe I am completely wrong, but I remember reading that CX was flying nonstop from New York to Hong Kong as early as 1996?


Close.

July 5, 1998, to be exact. I don't think it was a regular occurrence though, until 2004.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110927161 ... d21c39____

Cointrin330 wrote:

Not nonstop, no. CX started JFK-HKG nonstop in 2004.


CX was the first commercial airline to operate a polar flight back in 1998, linking JFK and HKG non stop.
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 12:37 pm

E90SLAM wrote:
Found the thread 16 years ago!
viewtopic.php?t=248141

It was A346 took the honor for HKG-JFK non-stop.
8F/60J/220Y


Honor? For doing with four engines what CO had done 3 years earlier with two?

(I had taken that CX 346 JFK-HKG, back in the day.)
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 2:23 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
x1234 wrote:
I was researching pm-CO and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pTgZ4X8iw
World's first trans-polar flight on a 777 from EWR to HKG. This was months before 9/11 and CO and truly an innovator linking the 2 cities non-stop for the first time.


Interesting. While filming his return trip, at the 23:55 mark, it's not HKG airport though. Weird.

SurlyBonds wrote:

Maybe I am completely wrong, but I remember reading that CX was flying nonstop from New York to Hong Kong as early as 1996?


Close.

July 5, 1998, to be exact. I don't think it was a regular occurrence though, until 2004.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110927161 ... d21c39____

Cointrin330 wrote:

Not nonstop, no. CX started JFK-HKG nonstop in 2004.


CX was the first commercial airline to operate a polar flight back in 1998, linking JFK and HKG non stop.


Well depending on how you define polar flight, poor region vs over the pole, I think ou would find SAS was the first. For Opsspecs purposes it's polar region.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 3:07 pm

Any polar flight from Asia to the US that overflew Russia didn't take place until '98 when Russia granted the routes. Here is the article that has been referenced before in a previous thread. CX was the first, but unclear if it was a revenue flight. NW didn't fly one of the granted routes into HKG but into PEK. I'm unsure about United or CO.

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2002/04/0 ... ar-routes/
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 3:16 pm

CX's first polar flight was an one off JFK-HKG on a 744 to commemorate the opening of the new HKG airport. It was a revenue flight. Pax on this flight were presented with certificates as being the first pax arriving the new HKG.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 3:46 pm

RetiredWeasel wrote:
Any polar flight from Asia to the US that overflew Russia didn't take place until '98 when Russia granted the routes. Here is the article that has been referenced before in a previous thread. CX was the first, but unclear if it was a revenue flight. NW didn't fly one of the granted routes into HKG but into PEK. I'm unsure about United or CO.

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2002/04/0 ... ar-routes/


Didn’t UA start flying ORD-HKG in 96?
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 4:08 pm

ILikeTrains wrote:
RetiredWeasel wrote:
Any polar flight from Asia to the US that overflew Russia didn't take place until '98 when Russia granted the routes. Here is the article that has been referenced before in a previous thread. CX was the first, but unclear if it was a revenue flight. NW didn't fly one of the granted routes into HKG but into PEK. I'm unsure about United or CO.

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2002/04/0 ... ar-routes/


Didn’t UA start flying ORD-HKG in 96?


I believe they did, but it wasn't a polar route. It flew over Alaska and entered the NOPAC route system.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 4:12 pm

BHRN wrote:
CX's first polar flight was an one off JFK-HKG on a 744 to commemorate the opening of the new HKG airport. It was a revenue flight. Pax on this flight were presented with certificates as being the first pax arriving the new HKG.

According to the article I linked, the first flight was non-rev. But it could be wrong.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 4:24 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Thenoflyzone wrote:
x1234 wrote:
I was researching pm-CO and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2pTgZ4X8iw
World's first trans-polar flight on a 777 from EWR to HKG. This was months before 9/11 and CO and truly an innovator linking the 2 cities non-stop for the first time.


Interesting. While filming his return trip, at the 23:55 mark, it's not HKG airport though. Weird.

SurlyBonds wrote:

Maybe I am completely wrong, but I remember reading that CX was flying nonstop from New York to Hong Kong as early as 1996?


Close.

July 5, 1998, to be exact. I don't think it was a regular occurrence though, until 2004.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110927161 ... d21c39____

Cointrin330 wrote:

Not nonstop, no. CX started JFK-HKG nonstop in 2004.


CX was the first commercial airline to operate a polar flight back in 1998, linking JFK and HKG non stop.


Well depending on how you define polar flight, poor region vs over the pole, I think ou would find SAS was the first. For Opsspecs purposes it's polar region.



Actually SAS did fly over the NPOLE a long time prior to any of these flights.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Wed May 20, 2020 5:17 pm

E90SLAM wrote:
Found the thread 16 years ago!
viewtopic.php?t=248141

It was A346 took the honor for HKG-JFK non-stop.
8F/60J/220Y


I was a First Class passenger on the second day of Cathay's scheduled non-stop flight from JFK to HKG (CX831). Below is a link to the trip report I posted from that flight.

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=952763&p=12736733#p12736733
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Thu May 21, 2020 5:49 am

airtropolis wrote:
Nice piece of Nostalgia, would anyone here know if the GE powered 777-200er has a better range than RR or PW powered versions or do all 777-200er have the same performance?


GE and RR are very close, with a slight (measured in single-digit minutes) advantage to GE.

PW was never available with the top MTOW, so it took a ~4 t weight penalty, which translated into ~40 minutes less range. Still an extremely capable aircraft.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Thu May 21, 2020 7:36 am

RetiredWeasel wrote:
Any polar flight from Asia to the US that overflew Russia didn't take place until '98 when Russia granted the routes. Here is the article that has been referenced before in a previous thread. CX was the first, but unclear if it was a revenue flight. NW didn't fly one of the granted routes into HKG but into PEK. I'm unsure about United or CO.

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2002/04/0 ... ar-routes/

I flew JFK-TPE twice on BR, and noted that they flew a more southern route than the great circle route, which would have been very close to the North Pole. I assumed that it was to avoid flying over either Russian or Chinese territory. My next flight was on CX, JFK to HKG, and that one was over the pole. The first flight was in 2014. The 77W certainly has made a huge difference in long range flying, probably the biggest boost since the 744.
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Fri May 22, 2020 11:16 am

RetiredWeasel wrote:
BHRN wrote:
CX's first polar flight was an one off JFK-HKG on a 744 to commemorate the opening of the new HKG airport. It was a revenue flight. Pax on this flight were presented with certificates as being the first pax arriving the new HKG.

According to the article I linked, the first flight was non-rev. But it could be wrong.


I know wiki is not a good source...but here you go

Cathay Pacific Flight 889 from New York John F. Kennedy International Airport, piloted by Captain Paul Horsting on 7 July 1998—the first arrival to the new Hong Kong International Airport at Chek Lap Kok west of Hong Kong—appears to be the first non-stop flight over the Arctic polar region and over Russian airspace. It was the world's first nonstop transpolar flight from New York to Hong Kong, dubbed Polar One. It took 16 hours to complete, and it was and still is one of the longest flights that Cathay Pacific operates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_route

CX889 routes JFK-YVR-HKG on normal days.
 
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Re: March 1st 2001, FIRST 777 trans-polar flight to HKG documentary

Fri May 22, 2020 11:54 am

The video in the cabin is not from the inaugural EWRHKG flight. If I had to guess, based on the seat configuration and IFE, the video is from 2008 or so.

Still, pretty cool.

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