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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:48 pm

FYI Air Canada have been operating flights from Toronto to Shanghai daily on B777's cargo for quite some time. They perform Toronto to Tokyo leg, switch up the crew, then fly on to Shanghai return, switch crew in Tokyo again, and return to Toronto. No need for crews to be stuck in Shanghai. AC2283 and AC7155, both 777's running daily most of the time. So it certainly can be done with passenger flights.
 
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:04 pm

The first international airline route suspended for having too many COVID19 passengers.

CZ Guangzhou-Dhaka will be suspended for 4-weeks from June 22 after 17 passengers from Bangladeshi tested positive, meeting the conditions for a “circuit breaker” suspension of the service per CAAC.

https://skift.com/2020/06/14/china-sout ... nfections/
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:01 am

Both DL and UA each received 2x weekly flight blessing from relevant China authorities as of June 12th per DOT filing.
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:47 am

And voila - DL resume PVG service via ICN next week, with another frequency from SEA in July.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... 3M354?il=0
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:23 am

c933103 wrote:
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c933103 wrote:
The rule seems quite arbitary as China can report whatever random number of positive cases on whichever fights they want, especially when there's also the issue of asymptomatic cases doesn't count in China and the line between asymptomatic casrs and cases with mild symptoms is very fussy


Indeed. This will be a non-starter with the Trump administration.

Another thing I note about this new policy is that, even if Chinese test results announcement are to be trusted, such action is actually penalizing victims as airlines with patients onboard are obviously victim of the virus as well and that's not a risk they can eliminate no matter how many precaution they made. Such is completely opposite to China's diplomacy message of don't blame the one who initially caught the virus and caused it to spread. It would be interesting to see will such policy backfires.


Well China is doing a lot to stop the spread of the virus, why should they accept US airlines sending infected patients because the US is doing nothing against the virus ?

Alternatively, I guess China could do as Trump did early on and allow US flights but ban entry into the country for non Chinese citizens coming from the US.
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:36 am

Aesma wrote:
Well China is doing a lot to stop the spread of the virus, why should they accept US airlines sending infected patients because the US is doing nothing against the virus ?

Alternatively, I guess China could do as Trump did early on and allow US flights but ban entry into the country for non Chinese citizens coming from the US.

If the concern is travellers from the United States, then it should universally enforce the restriction to all flights from the United States. You can't claim a flight operated by CA would be less likely to be infected than a flight operated by UA.
Also, problem is not non-Chinese citizens. They don't want excessive amount of returning travellers who are mostly Chinese nationals. That is also one of the main reason why they're playing with flight number instead of entry restriction, since they can't really justify denying entry of their own nationals.
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:39 am

Well who says they don't enforce it universally ? A China Southern Airlines flight has been the first to be blacklisted.
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:42 am

Aesma wrote:
c933103 wrote:
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Indeed. This will be a non-starter with the Trump administration.

Another thing I note about this new policy is that, even if Chinese test results announcement are to be trusted, such action is actually penalizing victims as airlines with patients onboard are obviously victim of the virus as well and that's not a risk they can eliminate no matter how many precaution they made. Such is completely opposite to China's diplomacy message of don't blame the one who initially caught the virus and caused it to spread. It would be interesting to see will such policy backfires.


Well China is doing a lot to stop the spread of the virus, why should they accept US airlines sending infected patients because the US is doing nothing against the virus ?

Alternatively, I guess China could do as Trump did early on and allow US flights but ban entry into the country for non Chinese citizens coming from the US.


China already had a foreign tourist ban since...err..March. The ban still exist. Current US-China traffic is Chinese nationals heading home one way only. No Americans (for that matter, none of the non-Chinese passports holders) are allowed to fly to China. Only recent weeks, few exceptions are made to pre-authorised German, South Korean and Japanese industry managers with 24 hours quarantine on arrival in order to revive the important industry that including investments from Samsung and Siemens. Besides these very few exceptions, you can not travel to China even if you have a long term visiting visa.
 
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:53 am

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Well who says they don't enforce it universally ? A China Southern Airlines flight has been the first to be blacklisted.

See my additional edit in previous reply, how can you claim a traveller on a UA plane is more likely to be infected than a traveler on a CA plane, so as to justify the airlines-based restriction?
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:07 am

Aesma wrote:
Alternatively, I guess China could do as Trump did early on and allow US flights but ban entry into the country for non Chinese citizens coming from the US.


It is already the case, I believe, and not only for the US. Only a handful of nations where the epidemic situation is stabilized (such as Germany) are allowed into China right now and even them with restrictions.
 
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:19 am

c933103 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Well China is doing a lot to stop the spread of the virus, why should they accept US airlines sending infected patients because the US is doing nothing against the virus ?

Alternatively, I guess China could do as Trump did early on and allow US flights but ban entry into the country for non Chinese citizens coming from the US.

If the concern is travellers from the United States, then it should universally enforce the restriction to all flights from the United States. You can't claim a flight operated by CA would be less likely to be infected than a flight operated by UA.
Also, problem is not non-Chinese citizens. They don't want excessive amount of returning travellers who are mostly Chinese nationals. That is also one of the main reason why they're playing with flight number instead of entry restriction, since they can't really justify denying entry of their own nationals.


Thank you for posting this. Chinese airlines never stopped operating flights between the US and China. If the danger presented by flights originating in the US was so great, they should have stopped the four Chinese carriers who continued to operated their own flights. These four airlines are charging 5k USD for a one-way return to China right now and it is very difficult to get a booking. Arbitrarily prohibiting US airlines from flying has allowed the Chinese carriers to charge ridiculously high prices.
 
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:34 am

CAAC suspended Air China rights to serve Moscow after importing more than 5 COVID-19 passengers on July 4th.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... scow-route
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:11 am

France is restricting flights from China down to one flight per week as China had given approval for 3 flights per week for Air France however was actually only letting one go ahead, in the meantime Air China, China Eastern Airlines Corp, and China Southern Airlines were each operating one flight per week.

https://www.thejakartapost.com/travel/2 ... t-row.html
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Re: Chinese aviation market international capacity restriction

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:39 pm

China-France clarified authorized frequencies. AF will add a 2nd CDG-PVG flight and KL will begin once-weekly AMS-PVG service.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN24H1IO
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