Moderators: jsumali2, richierich, ua900, hOMSaR

 
SpaceshipDC10
Topic Author
Posts: 6938
Joined: Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:44 am

Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:06 am

"Ryanair subsidiary Laudamotion closes its base in Vienna on May 29. 300 jobs are lost. The vida union did not agree to an ultimatum from the low-cost airline, which would have brought a new collective agreement with significantly lower wages. The Chamber of Commerce (WKÖ) would have accepted this.

The vida union said it would not sign a contract where the income of employees is both below the risk of poverty and below the minimum security level in Vienna."



In German: https://kurier.at/wirtschaft/laudamotio ... /400848905
 
Blerg
Posts: 3701
Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:42 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:10 am

Smart move by the unions, now they have no income. It's crazy that they refused to accept this under such circumstances while working for a cutthroat business like Ryanair. Even Austrian Airlines pilots agreed to have their salaries slashed by 43% until 2022 or 2023 can't remember now.
 
Someone83
Posts: 4765
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:47 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:27 am

So it isn't that much left of Lauda then? I assume the rest probably will close down soon anyway?
 
User avatar
Number6
Posts: 52
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:17 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:29 am

Good for the unions. The wages being offered were below the poverty line, with cabin crew expected to survive on just €850 a month. The wage was considered so low, the Austrian AMS reported the wage to the government as illegal. As an example of how low the wage on offer was, a supermarket employee can expect a wage around €1580 per month based on a 40 hour week.

Laudamotion’s closing has been coming for months, as Ryanair have constantly clashed with the unions, the government and even AustroControl over how they want to run an airline. Now the question is, will Ryanair manage to maintain the slots at VIE for themselves?
 
cityshuttle
Posts: 121
Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:56 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:33 am

Ryanair had already transferred the slots from OE to FR a few days back ... expecting this move by the unions.
 
leghorn
Posts: 1298
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:13 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:34 am

you seem to be taking delight in the loss of jobs at a difficult time when employees will find it hard to find new positions.
 
stylo777
Posts: 2792
Joined: Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:32 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:45 am

Blerg wrote:
Smart move by the unions, now they have no income. It's crazy that they refused to accept this under such circumstances while working for a cutthroat business like Ryanair. Even Austrian Airlines pilots agreed to have their salaries slashed by 43% until 2022 or 2023 can't remember now.

slight correction: it is up to 43%, and only applicable for a few whereas the average cut is somewhere in the area between 20-25% (as I heard)


Number6 wrote:
Good for the unions. The wages being offered were below the poverty line, with cabin crew expected to survive on just €850 a month. The wage was considered so low, the Austrian AMS reported the wage to the government as illegal. As an example of how low the wage on offer was, a supermarket employee can expect a wage around €1580 per month based on a 40 hour week.

Laudamotion’s closing has been coming for months, as Ryanair have constantly clashed with the unions, the government and even AustroControl over how they want to run an airline. Now the question is, will Ryanair manage to maintain the slots at VIE for themselves?

It's a tremendously sad situation for the employees, but accepting such terms (from union side) would be devasting for the entire industry.
MOL is generally known for pushing the limits further and further; however, there is a point when terms and conditions somehow still "acceptable" are no more - I guess, this has been the point reached now. Wages (=basic salaray without allowances per flight hour) below the poverty line in such an important job category is simply not acceptable; even not in corona times.
 
User avatar
Terrier79
Posts: 72
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:44 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:45 am

Even if it looks like a stupidity by VIDA union at first glance, it is the right decision. The unions cannot accept to be blackmailed by airlines like Ryanair like this, even if this means the loss of 300 Austrian jobs in Vienna. The "Race to the bottom" had to come to an end somewhere and somewhere, and this has now happened here. I think it's good that the machinations of Lauda and Ryanair have not lead to their success, but of course I feel sorry for the people losing their jobs now.
Ryanair should not think that the government and the airport will now roll out the red carpet if they want to fly with the core brand in Vienna. They will be facing tough times there.
 
User avatar
seahawk
Posts: 9555
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 1:29 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 9:51 am

So 300 jobs lost in a crisis due to some unions not wanting to give in. #sad But is a good chance for Ryanair, take the slots and use them with Malta Air with has an even lower cost base.
 
Strato2
Posts: 526
Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:52 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:08 am

stylo777 wrote:
It's a tremendously sad situation for the employees, but accepting such terms (from union side) would be devasting for the entire industry.
MOL is generally known for pushing the limits further and further; however, there is a point when terms and conditions somehow still "acceptable" are no more - I guess, this has been the point reached now. Wages (=basic salaray without allowances per flight hour) below the poverty line in such an important job category is simply not acceptable; even not in corona times.


:checkmark:

Once you give in you will never get it back. So there must be limits to this crookery. The government should not pay part of the salary of the employees as welfare cheques.
 
Strato2
Posts: 526
Joined: Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:52 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:10 am

seahawk wrote:
So 300 jobs lost in a crisis due to some unions not wanting to give in. #sad But is a good chance for Ryanair, take the slots and use them with Malta Air with has an even lower cost base.


Would you work your ass off and still not be able to pay your bills?
 
davidjohnson6
Posts: 634
Joined: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:10 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:13 am

I thought Lauda at VIE had been losing huge quantities of cash for sone time ? Presumably MOL would have wanted an excuse to shut this down and move the Lauda aircraft elsewhere. Vienna seems to have become a bit of a bloodbath with so many LCCs recently
 
leghorn
Posts: 1298
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:13 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:14 am

Yes, the Austrian economy won't get independent companies back and fall in to the clutches of Lufthansa who expect to be bailed out forever more.
Bad deal for Austrian taxpayers. This corporate social welfare must stop as ot distorts the market.
The only support should be in the form of pso routes.
 
leghorn
Posts: 1298
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:13 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:19 am

was the union protecting other sub payers at their expense?
 
User avatar
Phosphorus
Posts: 926
Joined: Tue May 16, 2017 11:38 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:23 am

cityshuttle wrote:
Ryanair had already transferred the slots from OE to FR a few days back ... expecting this move by the unions.


Number6 wrote:
Good for the unions. The wages being offered were below the poverty line, with cabin crew expected to survive on just €850 a month. The wage was considered so low, the Austrian AMS reported the wage to the government as illegal. As an example of how low the wage on offer was, a supermarket employee can expect a wage around €1580 per month based on a 40 hour week.

Laudamotion’s closing has been coming for months, as Ryanair have constantly clashed with the unions, the government and even AustroControl over how they want to run an airline. Now the question is, will Ryanair manage to maintain the slots at VIE for themselves?


If you take these two pieces together, the unions really had no choice in accepting. If a contract offer is breaking the law -- it has no standing.
I doubt there is a jurisdiction, where paying a wage below a legal minimum would survive legal scrutiny.

For Ryanair/Lauda, it was a fairly safe hip shot -- they were ready for shutting down VIE base. Never hurts asking for concessions -- who knows, maybe they materialize. If not -- well, shut down, as per the plan. If yes -- well, then time to take advantage of that, and also use these concessions as a leverage against other employee groups...
AN4 A40 L4T TU3 TU5 IL6 ILW I93 F50 F70 100 146 ARJ AT7 DH4 L10 CRJ ERJ E90 E95 DC-9 MD-8X YK4 YK2 SF3 S20 319 320 321 332 333 343 346 722 732 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 74M 757 767 777
Ceterum autem censeo, Moscovia esse delendam
 
User avatar
Terrier79
Posts: 72
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:44 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:24 am

seahawk wrote:
So 300 jobs lost in a crisis due to some unions not wanting to give in. #sad But is a good chance for Ryanair, take the slots and use them with Malta Air with has an even lower cost base.


300 jobs are lost because Ryanair/Lauda are closing down the base. Its solely their independant decision. They tried to blackmail the unions saying if they accept income reductions to a level below existence minima, then they'd take their threat to close down the base back.

Ryanair is to blame here, not the unions.
 
User avatar
seahawk
Posts: 9555
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 1:29 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 am

Strato2 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
So 300 jobs lost in a crisis due to some unions not wanting to give in. #sad But is a good chance for Ryanair, take the slots and use them with Malta Air with has an even lower cost base.


Would you work your ass off and still not be able to pay your bills?


Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service.
 
Amsterdam
Posts: 443
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:52 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:27 am

Ryanair knows their offer was below any minimum standard. They put it on the table to have an excuse to close the base and blame it on the union.
 
Amsterdam
Posts: 443
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:52 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:32 am

seahawk wrote:
Strato2 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
So 300 jobs lost in a crisis due to some unions not wanting to give in. #sad But is a good chance for Ryanair, take the slots and use them with Malta Air with has an even lower cost base.


Would you work your ass off and still not be able to pay your bills?


Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service.


Making a lot of extra money huh.
Ok tell how much “a lot of extra money” you can make on a Lauda flight please tell us. Not vague words please but tell how much is possible to make on a flight, on a day, week, month or year etc.
 
User avatar
Terrier79
Posts: 72
Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:44 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:32 am

seahawk wrote:
Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service.


You make yourself ridiculous with such statements and are not a serious discussion partner. It's simply embarrassing.

And more than that, it is a slap into the face of the honest, hard working people at Lauda that will now be without jobs.
 
davidjohnson6
Posts: 634
Joined: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:10 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 am

In Austria, if an Austrian citizen loses their job because of redundancy (ie the employee did not do something wrong), how much of a safety net does the Govt provide as unemployment benefits ?
 
User avatar
seahawk
Posts: 9555
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 1:29 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:42 am

Amsterdam wrote:
seahawk wrote:
Strato2 wrote:

Would you work your ass off and still not be able to pay your bills?


Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service.


Making a lot of extra money huh.
Ok tell how much “a lot of extra money” you can make on a Lauda flight please tell us. Not vague words please but tell how much is possible to make on a flight, on a day, week, month or year etc.


Reasons to join our Cabin Crew Team!
• Free Training
• Allowance paid during training
• Free uniform in year 1 – Uniform allowance in year 2
• Competitive basic salary
• Flight duty pay/sales bonus
• Year 1 on target earnings of €17-€25k/£16-21k
• Fantastic promotional opportunities
• Great choice of bases.
• Stable 5 on 3 off roster
• Staff travel
• Security of working for a financially stable airline.
• Depending on country we have Permanent, Contract and Seasonal positions.

According to the proposal given to the Lauda crews, bonuses and provisions can increase your salary by up to 150%!

https://www.derstandard.de/story/200011 ... zt-sich-zu

And before you say, that it is unfair, do not forget that FR will now simply use crews with Irish or Maltese contracts, which will probably make even less.
 
aw70
Posts: 141
Joined: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:20 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:47 am

Amsterdam wrote:
Ryanair knows their offer was below any minimum standard. They put it on the table to have an excuse to close the base and blame it on the union.


Exactly this. Good riddance, Ryanair is the sort of company that no one should be sad to see go.
 
eidvm
Posts: 89
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:11 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 am

seahawk wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
seahawk wrote:

Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service.


Making a lot of extra money huh.
Ok tell how much “a lot of extra money” you can make on a Lauda flight please tell us. Not vague words please but tell how much is possible to make on a flight, on a day, week, month or year etc.


Reasons to join our Cabin Crew Team!
• Free Training
• Allowance paid during training
• Free uniform in year 1 – Uniform allowance in year 2
• Competitive basic salary
• Flight duty pay/sales bonus
• Year 1 on target earnings of €17-€25k/£16-21k
• Fantastic promotional opportunities
• Great choice of bases.
• Stable 5 on 3 off roster
• Staff travel
• Security of working for a financially stable airline.
• Depending on country we have Permanent, Contract and Seasonal positions.

According to the proposal given to the Lauda crews, bonuses and provisions can increase your salary by up to 150%!

https://www.derstandard.de/story/200011 ... zt-sich-zu

And before you say, that it is unfair, do not forget that FR will now simply use crews with Irish or Maltese contracts, which will probably make even less.


So by that maths then top earnings of €25k is 150% on top of your salary, or a base salary of €10,000, no wonder the union couldn't agree to that, that's a poverty wage, you'd take home more on unemployment benefit.

No one should be expected to work a full time job for a base salary of €10,000, it's literally criminal.
 
Amsterdam
Posts: 443
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:52 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 am

seahawk wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
seahawk wrote:

Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service.


Making a lot of extra money huh.
Ok tell how much “a lot of extra money” you can make on a Lauda flight please tell us. Not vague words please but tell how much is possible to make on a flight, on a day, week, month or year etc.


Reasons to join our Cabin Crew Team!
• Free Training
• Allowance paid during training
• Free uniform in year 1 – Uniform allowance in year 2
• Competitive basic salary
• Flight duty pay/sales bonus
• Year 1 on target earnings of €17-€25k/£16-21k
• Fantastic promotional opportunities
• Great choice of bases.
• Stable 5 on 3 off roster
• Staff travel
• Security of working for a financially stable airline.
• Depending on country we have Permanent, Contract and Seasonal positions.

According to the proposal given to the Lauda crews, bonuses and provisions can increase your salary by up to 150%!

https://www.derstandard.de/story/200011 ... zt-sich-zu

And before you say, that it is unfair, do not forget that FR will now simply use crews with Irish or Maltese contracts, which will probably make even less.


I dont see anywhere written how you can make “a lot of extra money”. Tell how please. What do they have to actually do to get that “a lot of extra money.”

And in that list its stated 17.000€ year minimum pay.
That is extreme low. That is almost the Dutch governmental welfare payment. Ryanair pays even worse than I thought.
 
leghorn
Posts: 1298
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:13 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:52 am

No one sad beyond the 300 and taxpayers who have to pay corporate welfare and lose more locally employed employees so those same taxpayers have to shoulder more of the cost of running the country. The incumbent airlines are laughing at ye all while ye spout Socialist jingoism.
 
eidvm
Posts: 89
Joined: Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:11 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:52 am

Amsterdam wrote:
I dont see anywhere written how you can make “a lot of extra money”. Tell how please. What do they have to actually do to get that “a lot of extra money.”

And in that list its stated 17.000€ year minimum pay.
That is extreme low. That is almost the Dutch governmental welfare payment. Ryanair pays even worse than I thought.


And that €17,000 isn't even the minimum though, only the target salary if you get enough sales/commission etc, arguably given Ryanair's spin, it could conceivably be lower than that realistically as that's only the "Target Salary"
 
User avatar
Number6
Posts: 52
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:17 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 10:53 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
In Austria, if an Austrian citizen loses their job because of redundancy (ie the employee did not do something wrong), how much of a safety net does the Govt provide as unemployment benefits ?

The minimum safety net figure is €917 per month. So Laudamotion employees would be working for less money than if they simply became unemployed.
 
Amsterdam
Posts: 443
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:52 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:00 am

So thats a “target” of 17.000€? lol
And before tax?

Crazy stuff
You can stay home and not work and have all the time of your life for yourself and have the same income on welfare. Maybe even more income. And your agenda is totally free for yourself.
 
User avatar
Dahlgardo
Posts: 394
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:46 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:09 am

Another sad spin-exercise from Ryanair.

They probably had no intentions of keeping their VIE-base anyway, so now they get publicity and can put the blame on someone else.

Very smart, and very sad at the same time.

But they know their customers only care about their own wallets, even if it means supporting a company the continuously degrades the working conditions for people employed in the airline industry.
leave your nines at home and bring your skills to the battle
 
User avatar
Embajador3
Posts: 341
Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:28 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:10 am

My thoughts are with the employees being made redudant. No sympathy for the FR and Lauda. The unions are not to blame, FR is to be blamed as they offered something they knew employees could not afford: to get paid even less and place them closer to poverty, and thus unable to pay their bills and afford food on the table. Best of luck to all of them finding new better paid jobs!
Flying Together
 
User avatar
seahawk
Posts: 9555
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 1:29 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:14 am

Dahlgardo wrote:
Another sad spin-exercise from Ryanair.

They probably had no intentions of keeping their VIE-base anyway, so now they get publicity and can put the blame on someone else.

Very smart, and very sad at the same time.

But they know their customers only care about their own wallets, even if it means supporting a company the continuously degrades the working conditions for people employed in the airline industry.


I hope it turns out to be not a very smart move. If the unions have the offer in paper and it is below the legal minimum wage, they should be able to get a healthy compensation for the redundant crews in court, because offering less than the legal minimum wage is illegal. What people miss, is that the slots will now be filled by Malta Air crews working for Irish contractors and earning even less.
Last edited by seahawk on Fri May 22, 2020 11:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
 
User avatar
Dahlgardo
Posts: 394
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:46 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:16 am

seahawk wrote:
What people miss, is that the slots will now be filled by Malta Air crews working for Irish contractors and earning even less.


Quelle surprise.
Another social dumping exercise. :cloudnine:
leave your nines at home and bring your skills to the battle
 
Westerwaelder
Posts: 161
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:27 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:17 am

Blerg wrote:
Smart move by the unions, now they have no income. It's crazy that they refused to accept this under such circumstances while working for a cutthroat business like Ryanair. Even Austrian Airlines pilots agreed to have their salaries slashed by 43% until 2022 or 2023 can't remember now.


According to the unions the entry level salary was €848 a month for cabin crew. An income of £1,259 a month leaves you in danger of moving into poverty in Vienna (Armutsgefährdungsschwelle) - just as a bit of a realty check. I doubt OS cabin crew will be anywhere near this level - even after the cut. A pilot salary after a 43% cut will still be a world apart from these kind of poverty wages.

When is a job no longer worth having?
 
RvA
Posts: 311
Joined: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:37 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:25 am

The comments here criticising the unions are hilarious. Everyone is just supposed to accept a wage that is unrealistically low? It probably isn’t far off from the unemployment pay they might receive now. Seriously how are you expected to do that job for far less than working in a supermarket etc.

The Ryanair kool aid brigade is out in full force today I see.
 
User avatar
seahawk
Posts: 9555
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 1:29 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:26 am

Dahlgardo wrote:
seahawk wrote:
What people miss, is that the slots will now be filled by Malta Air crews working for Irish contractors and earning even less.


Quelle surprise.
Another social dumping exercise. :cloudnine:


Lauda as an Austrian company could never be as cheap as Buzz or Malta Air. But as long as the EU does not make a concerted move to end some of the practices used by FR, not much will change. (forced unpaid leave in Winter is questionable, as is only paying fight hours and not block hours..) But we also need to remember that the standards for a FA are lower at FR than LH for example and that did not go too well with people expecting something closer to airberlin or the old Lauda airlines. A lot of customers I know where not that happy when encountering crews serving flights from Spain to Germany that spoke neither German nor Spanish but only English. So imho getting rid of the Lauda brand will be an advantage for them, as the expectation for a Ryanair flight are lower in German speaking Europe.
 
davidjohnson6
Posts: 634
Joined: Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:10 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:50 am

How does Ryanair propose to operate flights in future at Vienna ? Will they just rely on flights from bases elsewhere (with crew on lower wages) ? Revert to making Bratislava their airport for Vienna ? Or hire crew on (for example) Bulgarian contracts and tell them to move for a few months at a time to live near Vienna airport ?
 
User avatar
zkojq
Posts: 4251
Joined: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:42 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 11:50 am

aw70 wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
Ryanair knows their offer was below any minimum standard. They put it on the table to have an excuse to close the base and blame it on the union.


Exactly this. Good riddance, Ryanair is the sort of company that no one should be sad to see go.


:checkmark: Ryanair is a scourge on the European skies and on the European taxpayer. The more people realise this the better. I hope that the Lauda adventure cost them a lot of money.

Ironic for the Lauda if being made redundant nets them more in monthly unemployment benifits than they'd get under this new contract.
First to fly the 787-9
 
User avatar
seahawk
Posts: 9555
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 1:29 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 12:05 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
How does Ryanair propose to operate flights in future at Vienna ? Will they just rely on flights from bases elsewhere (with crew on lower wages) ? Revert to making Bratislava their airport for Vienna ? Or hire crew on (for example) Bulgarian contracts and tell them to move for a few months at a time to live near Vienna airport ?


Probably have a contractor that will hire the crews in Bulgaria or other countries in Southern Europe that will be based in Ireland that will then offer time sharing apartments in Vienna from another contactor to the crews, so that a large part of the salary will be eaten up by renting a bed in Vienna.
 
leghorn
Posts: 1298
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:13 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 12:11 pm

zkojq wrote:
aw70 wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
Ryanair knows their offer was below any minimum standard. They put it on the table to have an excuse to close the base and blame it on the union.


Exactly this. Good riddance, Ryanair is the sort of company that no one should be sad to see go.


:checkmark: Ryanair is a scourge on the European skies and on the European taxpayer. The more people realise this the better. I hope that the Lauda adventure cost them a lot of money.

Ironic for the Lauda if being made redundant nets them more in monthly unemployment benifits than they'd get under this new contract.

Not one fact uttered there just spewing hatred.
Aviation doesn't exist for the benefit of aviation enthusiasts. Civil Aviation exists to move people from point a to point b.
 
RB211LTN
Posts: 127
Joined: Sun Mar 28, 2004 2:40 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 12:36 pm

The only people to blame here are Ryanair's customers. They are fuelling the race to the bottom. Shame on them.
The customer is always right.....unless he is a passenger!
 
a350lover
Posts: 824
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:21 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 12:41 pm

So what's left for the A320 and LAUDA within the Ryanair group? Just Palma?
 
JeremyXWB
Posts: 23
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:04 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 1:06 pm

Never would've guessed that Lauda would be the first one to leave the VIE bloodbath.
 
User avatar
seahawk
Posts: 9555
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 1:29 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 1:08 pm

a350lover wrote:
So what's left for the A320 and LAUDA within the Ryanair group? Just Palma?


Theoretically DUS.
 
a350lover
Posts: 824
Joined: Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:21 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 1:19 pm

JeremyXWB wrote:
Never would've guessed that Lauda would be the first one to leave the VIE bloodbath.


Correct. Ryanair can't be happy about it. They love to be leaders.
 
Westerwaelder
Posts: 161
Joined: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:27 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 1:22 pm

seahawk wrote:
a350lover wrote:
So what's left for the A320 and LAUDA within the Ryanair group? Just Palma?


Theoretically DUS.


And STR
 
Amsterdam
Posts: 443
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:52 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 1:29 pm

seahawk wrote:
Amsterdam wrote:
seahawk wrote:

Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service.


Making a lot of extra money huh.
Ok tell how much “a lot of extra money” you can make on a Lauda flight please tell us. Not vague words please but tell how much is possible to make on a flight, on a day, week, month or year etc.


Reasons to join our Cabin Crew Team!
• Free Training
• Allowance paid during training
• Free uniform in year 1 – Uniform allowance in year 2
• Competitive basic salary
• Flight duty pay/sales bonus
• Year 1 on target earnings of €17-€25k/£16-21k
• Fantastic promotional opportunities
• Great choice of bases.
• Stable 5 on 3 off roster
• Staff travel
• Security of working for a financially stable airline.
• Depending on country we have Permanent, Contract and Seasonal positions.

According to the proposal given to the Lauda crews, bonuses and provisions can increase your salary by up to 150%!

https://www.derstandard.de/story/200011 ... zt-sich-zu

And before you say, that it is unfair, do not forget that FR will now simply use crews with Irish or Maltese contracts, which will probably make even less.


I ask again:

I dont see anywhere written how you can make “a lot of extra money” like you say. Please tell how please. What do employees have to actually do to get that “a lot of extra money.” You seem to know. Please share that with us.

Please explain what you consider “a lot” and how people can earn that “a lot”.
Thanks
 
SCQ83
Posts: 5644
Joined: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:32 pm

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 1:42 pm

So this is another Wizz Air success (at least for the time being). I definitely think that in the post-COVID world, Wizz Air will be the biggest winner in Europe.
 
leghorn
Posts: 1298
Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:13 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 1:49 pm

I don't see Ryanair leaving Vienna. Buzz it will be most likely and they'll continue to compete from a lower cost base than the others...perhaps even with many of the same staff on different contracts.
 
AIRT0M
Posts: 103
Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:54 am

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Fri May 22, 2020 1:55 pm

Terrier79 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service.


You make yourself ridiculous with such statements and are not a serious discussion partner. It's simply embarrassing.

And more than that, it is a slap into the face of the honest, hard working people at Lauda that will now be without jobs.


Couldn't agree more. FR's practices need to be stopped. Blackmailing is not the right way to do business.

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos