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PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:20 am

Reports of a PIA A320 near Karachi.

Breaking news
 
 
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Re: PIA A320 down

Fri May 22, 2020 10:23 am

 
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Re: PIA A320 with 95 pax crashed in Model Colony

Fri May 22, 2020 10:23 am

 
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PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:25 am

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2020/05/karachi-plane-crash/

PK8303 from Lahore to Karachi on A320 has crashed in Karachi. The A320 hit number of houses, 95 PAX on board. RIP.
 
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Re: PIA A320 down

Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 am

Looks like AP-BLD. 2004 vintage, MSN2274, leased from GECAS
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:28 am

Weather appears to be pretty mild.
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:32 am

Awful news.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:33 am

Weather seems to be fine in Karachi.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:35 am

The pictures on Dawn don’t look good.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:36 am

According to local news, the nose gear did not deploy at landing. Pilot might have tried a go-around and failed.
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:36 am

Doesn't look good..
 
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Re: PIA A320 down

Fri May 22, 2020 10:37 am

I am hearing go around attempts as a statement.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:41 am

 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:42 am

According to FR24, aircraft appears to have been stored or under maintenance since 22/03. First flight since. Could be related.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 am

Some news outlets are saying 97 were on board, others are saying 107.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:50 am

AP-BLD is the plane.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:52 am

Olly2185 wrote:
According to FR24, aircraft appears to have been stored or under maintenance since 22/03. First flight since. Could be related.

I think it was flying yesterday anyway.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:56 am

Last time PIA had such incident was back in 2016 with the ATR that crashed into the mountain, due to fog.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:57 am

BBC Reporting 99 PAX and 8 Crew
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 10:58 am

jodieellis wrote:
AP-BLD is the plane.


16 years old and originally built for China Eastern airlines. Delivered to PIA in 2014.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:00 am

A320 aborted the approach to Karachi due to problems with extension of the landing gear and performed a go around. The aircraft lost height and impacted a residential area called Model Colony on second final approach east of the aerodrome (presumably while on final approach to runway 25L and burst into flames.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:02 am

LH658 wrote:
Some news outlets are saying 97 were on board, others are saying 107.


There are almost certainly going to be casualties on the ground as well.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:12 am

Looks really bad, hope ground casualties are minimal
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:17 am

LH658 wrote:
A320 aborted the approach to Karachi due to problems with extension of the landing gear and performed a go around. The aircraft lost height and impacted a residential area called Model Colony on second final approach east of the aerodrome (presumably while on final approach to runway 25L and burst into flames.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0


Suspect they went around for the gear problem and were unable to retract them, increased fuel burn resulting in both engines flaming out on the next approach.
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:21 am

https://twitter.com/DanyalGilani/status ... %2F1132074

This video off of twitter is unsettling to say the least...

Rip to all those on board and on the ground who lost their lives
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:23 am

zeke wrote:
LH658 wrote:
A320 aborted the approach to Karachi due to problems with extension of the landing gear and performed a go around. The aircraft lost height and impacted a residential area called Model Colony on second final approach east of the aerodrome (presumably while on final approach to runway 25L and burst into flames.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0


Suspect they went around for the gear problem and were unable to retract them, increased fuel burn resulting in both engines flaming out on the next approach.


Well that solves it, investigation complete.

Really?
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:25 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52766904

BBC report confirms 107 on board.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:26 am

A crash in the middle of a multistore densily populated area.

Looks real bad. Probably a high number of casulties from the aircraft and on the ground.

RIP to all the victims and condolences to their families and friends in Karachi and other places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=43&v=Dhwxa7xzOKs&feature=emb_logo
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:26 am

AvHerald wrote:
While on second final approach the crew declared Mayday repeatedly reporting they had lost both engines

That seems odd. Even without engines the plane is still controllable, no reason to dive into a residential area.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:27 am

zeke wrote:
LH658 wrote:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0


Suspect... gear problem ... unable to retract ..., increased fuel burn resulting in both engines flaming out on the next approach.


If you are so short of fuel that you cannot even make 1 missed approach, let alone divert to an alternate, that's either terrible luck or really bad planning.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:28 am

mxaxai wrote:
AvHerald wrote:
While on second final approach the crew declared Mayday repeatedly reporting they had lost both engines

That seems odd. Even without engines the plane is still controllable, no reason to dive into a residential area.


It is still controllable however without any thrust the glide angle with gear down is much steeper.
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:28 am

Zeke

Would undercarriage issue result in running out of fuel.

Surely they don't cut the fuel upload that close.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:29 am

Pakistan has had 5 airforce crashes this year and now this civilian airliner crash. It's a bad year for aviation in Pakistan.
If I remember, another PIA flight crashed 3 or 4 years back in Pakistan ?
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:32 am

zeke wrote:
LH658 wrote:
A320 aborted the approach to Karachi due to problems with extension of the landing gear and performed a go around. The aircraft lost height and impacted a residential area called Model Colony on second final approach east of the aerodrome (presumably while on final approach to runway 25L and burst into flames.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0


Suspect they went around for the gear problem and were unable to retract them, increased fuel burn resulting in both engines flaming out on the next approach.


I have much respect for you and your invaluable contributions to this forum over the years.

You would also expect there to be enough fuel on board for more than two go arounds, no ? The ensuing fire after impact would also suggest the presence of fuel, no ? Or would you expect there to be a greater intensity than what seems to be the case ?

edit: I missed reports of the plane losing engine power, my apologies
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:33 am

maint123 wrote:
Pakistan has had 5 airforce crashes this year and now this civilian airliner crash. It's a bad year for aviation in Pakistan.
If I remember, another PIA flight crashed 3 or 4 years back in Pakistan ?


2016 PIA ATR crashed into a mountain.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:34 am

zeke wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
AvHerald wrote:
While on second final approach the crew declared Mayday repeatedly reporting they had lost both engines

That seems odd. Even without engines the plane is still controllable, no reason to dive into a residential area.


It is still controllable however without any thrust the glide angle with gear down is much steeper.

True, but the crash site seems to be well away from the runway centerline. There are also large open areas to the north, east and south-east; basically everywhere except the residential area where they ended up. Which suggests that the crew lost directional control or awareness at some point.
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:36 am

With all due respect Zeke is a qualified pilot and so far it's been reported they called mayday and said both engines were out. I'm not a pilot but that would be a fairly good guess at this point.


brodeurprice wrote:
zeke wrote:
LH658 wrote:
A320 aborted the approach to Karachi due to problems with extension of the landing gear and performed a go around. The aircraft lost height and impacted a residential area called Model Colony on second final approach east of the aerodrome (presumably while on final approach to runway 25L and burst into flames.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a&opt=0


Suspect they went around for the gear problem and were unable to retract them, increased fuel burn resulting in both engines flaming out on the next approach.


I have much respect for you and your invaluable contributions to this forum over the years, wouldn’t you say it’s a little early for speculation?

You would also expect there to be enough fuel on board for more than two go arounds, no ? The ensuing fire after impact would also suggest the presence of fuel, no ? Or would you expect there to be a greater intensity than what seems to be the case ?
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:36 am

maint123 wrote:
Pakistan has had 5 airforce crashes this year and now this civilian airliner crash. It's a bad year for aviation in Pakistan.
If I remember, another PIA flight crashed 3 or 4 years back in Pakistan ?


There last fatal crash was back in 2006 when PK688 crashed. But, there have been two write-offs since then.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:36 am

bennett123 wrote:
Zeke

Would undercarriage issue result in running out of fuel.

Surely they don't cut the fuel upload that close.


Perhaps the aircraft did not had enough spare fuel in the first place?
 
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Re: PIA A320 crash in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:39 am

Boeingphan wrote:
With all due respect Zeke is a qualified pilot and so far it's been reported they called mayday and said both engines were out. I'm not a pilot but that would be a fairly good guess at this point.


brodeurprice wrote:
zeke wrote:

Suspect they went around for the gear problem and were unable to retract them, increased fuel burn resulting in both engines flaming out on the next approach.


I have much respect for you and your invaluable contributions to this forum over the years, wouldn’t you say it’s a little early for speculation?

You would also expect there to be enough fuel on board for more than two go arounds, no ? The ensuing fire after impact would also suggest the presence of fuel, no ? Or would you expect there to be a greater intensity than what seems to be the case ?


Yes I am aware of zeke’s qualifications, which is why I started my reply the way that I did.

I missed the report of pilots losing both engines, my apologies.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:40 am

IWMBH wrote:
maint123 wrote:
Pakistan has had 5 airforce crashes this year and now this civilian airliner crash. It's a bad year for aviation in Pakistan.
If I remember, another PIA flight crashed 3 or 4 years back in Pakistan ?


There last fatal crash was back in 2006 when PK688 crashed. But, there have been two write-offs since then.

Their last fatal crash was in Dec 2016 (PK661), when a ATR42 had an engine failure and crashed into a mountain killing everyone onboard.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:43 am

Polot wrote:
IWMBH wrote:
maint123 wrote:
Pakistan has had 5 airforce crashes this year and now this civilian airliner crash. It's a bad year for aviation in Pakistan.
If I remember, another PIA flight crashed 3 or 4 years back in Pakistan ?


There last fatal crash was back in 2006 when PK688 crashed. But, there have been two write-offs since then.

Their last fatal crash was in Dec 2016 (PK661), when a ATR42 had an engine failure and crashed into a mountain killing everyone onboard.


You’re right, forgot about that one.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:43 am

Not doubting Zeke on double engines failing.

The issue is why.

Should have enough fuel to go around, even with undercarriage down surely.

Also the amount of smoke, (and presumably flames) does not seem consistent with zero fuel.
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:45 am

bennett123 wrote:
Zeke

Would undercarriage issue result in running out of fuel.

Surely they don't cut the fuel upload that close.


I am assuming they would have attempted a gravity gear extension to get the nose wheel down, the fuel consumption after the go around would be around 3 times higher with the gear down and gear doors extended. 30 minutes of normal reserve turns into 10 minutes with gear down and doors out. Reserve fuel is normally calculated in a clean configuration at 1500 ft.
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:47 am

So far 2 survivors are getting reported to be taken to hospital and 1 declared badly injured but will survive.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:47 am

So sad.

Many ppeoples no doubt flying homes for the eid-ul-fitr this weekend.

May they rest in peace.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:52 am

bennett123 wrote:
Also the amount of smoke, (and presumably flames) does not seem consistent with zero fuel.

There's a lot of burnable stuff in the houses and streets, and fuel starvation does not require zero fuel (there's always a small unusable fuel volume). All it takes is a car or two set on fire - tyres create lots of smoke. If they cut a powerline, that can serve as ignition source too.
 
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:52 am

Sad News


If they had so little fuel, I Wonder why they didn't try to land without the front gear deployed... It has been done before ...
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Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Fri May 22, 2020 11:52 am

787pk wrote:
So far 2 survivors are getting reported to be taken to hospital and 1 declared badly injured but will survive.


I don't think these survivors where passengers, if you look at the pictures I think we can presume no one survived.
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