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AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 2:31 pm

The bad news just keeps coming. Looks like AA may follow Deltas lead and retire its 777 fleet.

https://simpleflying.com/american-airli ... m=facebook
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:35 pm

Not for a while. They’d have to bring the 332s back and it only 772s not 773 or 777W. Your title is misleading

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... etirement/

“ American Airlines is conducting a six-month review of its future size and scope. One key outcome could be using its 40-plus 787s on order to replace 777-200ERs, limiting future capacity while improving efficiency.”
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:39 pm

Simpleflying is a horrible news source. Nowhere did AA say they were considering retiring their entire 777 fleet - that comes from simpleflying's lack of reading comprehension.
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:39 pm

Unlikely. The widebody fleet will be stretched out to the max even with Covid-19 cutbacks, as the 767s and 333s were retired, and then the grounding of the 332s. The 772s are replacing the transatlantic flying done by the 333/332 fleet in CLT, and there just aren’t enough 788/789s to cover everything, unless a lot of Asia flying is dropped. Additionally, LHR is going to be exclusively 772/77W. Maybe if/when the next batch of 789s are delivered, this will be the case, but that was the fleet plan before coronavirus.
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:41 pm

Title is extremely misleading.

There are no plans to retire the 77Ws. They are internally discussing the *possibility* of retiring some of their older 77Es and replace them with 787s.
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:47 pm

Similar report via Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 990e7d6424

Seems like CV19 is being pretty hard on the world's 77E population.
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:52 pm

Simple Flying is cancer.

I can imagine as AA shrinks, it makes sense to drop 77E’s for 789’s. 77W’s aren’t going anywhere, and I think A332’s will be gone before we see 77E’s leave.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 2:52 pm

Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:03 pm

This is untrue. I work at AA. They’re looking at replacing some older 772s with 789s earlier if demand doesn’t pick up to justify the fleet numbers.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:04 pm

The 777-200ER fleet is "flexible capacity". If international demand comes back strong in the next few years, AA likely keeps the 77E and use incoming 787s to expand. If demand remains down, the 77E (at least the oldest planes) will retire as 787s are delivered. I don't see the 777-300ER going anywhere anytime soon.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:07 pm

jodieellis wrote:
Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.


The original news source never said B772 fleet will be retired. It simply said AA is conducting a fleet review to discuss possibilities of the INCOMING B788/789 to replace the B772. That means B772 will be with AA for few more years until all B788/789 are delivered. That will take us to 2023 I believe.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:13 pm

If AA does retire the 77E, can they please retire the Concept D frames first!
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:18 pm

chonetsao wrote:
jodieellis wrote:
Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.


The original news source never said B772 fleet will be retired. It simply said AA is conducting a fleet review to discuss possibilities of the INCOMING B788/789 to replace the B772. That means B772 will be with AA for few more years until all B788/789 are delivered. That will take us to 2023 I believe.


If I remember correctly, the next batch of 789s are scheduled to be delivered between 2023 and 2025, so lots of time to determine longer term fleet makeup.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:23 pm

The Simple Flying article does not say in the headline or the body that AA is contemplating retiring its entire 777 fleet like the OP suggests. The headline says "American Airlines Could Follow Delta’s Lead With 777 Retirements." It sounds like the report is consistent with other speculation that 787 deliveries may replace (rather than supplement) more 77E capacity than previously planned.
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 3:29 pm

Given where international demand is going to be and the cost of sustaining additional types of engines/aircraft, it would make sense to retire 772. Most of them are old enough to be retired and don't have that much secondary market value right now.

AA is going to be a lot smaller 2 years from now.
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:38 pm

Revelation wrote:
Similar report via Forbes:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 990e7d6424

Seems like CV19 is being pretty hard on the world's 77E population.

It hits the old much worse than the young.
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:41 pm

This below, that is what was implied. End of story. AA is Not going to pull a DL 777 retirement.

OMG. Between the clickbait travel blogggers and posters in here who either never read the source of information, never read the article, or just fly in with blantently wrong speculate statments

chonetsao wrote:
jodieellis wrote:
Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.


The original news source never said B772 fleet will be retired. It simply said AA is conducting a fleet review to discuss possibilities of the INCOMING B788/789 to replace the B772. That means B772 will be with AA for few more years until all B788/789 are delivered. That will take us to 2023 I believe.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 3:50 pm

9w748capt wrote:
If AA does retire the 77E, can they please retire the Concept D frames first!


Curious as to what's special about the Concept D frames.
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 3:58 pm

They are simply conducting a review on how to put the new B787s to use. If travel rebounds by then, they can use them to increase the fleet. If the travel is still down, they could be used to slowly replace the B777-200s, which was the original plan anyway. They just said they are trying to make sure they are in a position to adapt to the demand. Thats all...
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 4:42 pm

I assume the plan for 772s to begin exiting AAs fleet in 2023 is still on. Does anyone know at what rate they will leave? Will it be a 1:1 replacement as the new 787s come on board?
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 4:47 pm

Checking Planespotters.net, it appears that 23 of AA's 47 B77E's have the older cabin layouts. Rather than AA going to the expense of coverting these to their current interior standard, perhaps they will simply retire those unconverted B77E's?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/American-Airlines
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 5:18 pm

Why wouldn't AA retire some of its oldest 777s? Now that those awful 767s are gone and all of the widebodies inherited from US are grounded (probably for good), the 9/11-era 777-200ERs are by far the least competitive long haul aircraft left in the AA fleet. Obviously the much newer 777-300ERs are perfect for the premium long haul destinations - GRU, LHR, SYD, TYO - and the much more modern, efficient 787 fleet can handle everything else. It's no wonder these aging birds are now being relegated to services like CLT-Europe. From an operational as well as passenger experience perspective, I'm sure the sooner routes like those can go to 787, the better!
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 5:30 pm

I agree AA needs the 77W for the MOST premium long haul destinations including LHR in Europe, GRU in South America, HND/NRT and HKG in Asia and SYD in Oceania.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 5:36 pm

x1234 wrote:
I agree AA needs the 77W for the MOST premium long haul destinations including LHR in Europe, GRU in South America, HND/NRT and HKG in Asia and SYD in Oceania.


Except SYD hasn't been on the 77W in a few years? That was in order to protest the original AA/QF JV denial, but I believe they still weren't planning to go back to the 77W?
 
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Re: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 6:19 pm

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Simpleflying is a horrible news source. Nowhere did AA say they were considering retiring their entire 777 fleet - that comes from simpleflying's lack of reading comprehension.


I would like to pile on and state that Simpleflying is indeed terrible. It is not a news source. Their articles are poorly written and sound like a group of teenagers doing a bit of superficial research on the internet. I wish they just sunk, but it appears they are savvy enough on placement on the web, which keeps their links popping up here and there.
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 6:31 pm

x1234 wrote:
I agree AA needs the 77W for the MOST premium long haul destinations including LHR in Europe, GRU in South America, HND/NRT and HKG in Asia and SYD in Oceania.


The 77W on LAX-SYD was replaced with the 789 in 2018.

The 77W fleet likely isn't going anywhere. The 20 frames are quite new and pre-COVID served AA's primary international destinations (LHR, HKG, GRU, EZE principally). The 772s were delivered beginning in 1997 or 1998 so the oldest frames are over 20 years old. Not really old, but getting up there. I think I read the majority of the 772 fleet are owned by AA and not leased. The 787 top up order (22 788 and 25 789) last year was designed to replace all 763s, the A333s, and some early delivery 772s). AA like the rest of the industry will be a smaller in the new world so it's not unreasonable to see a number of 772s getting parked for good but I would not expect all 47 to go at once.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 6:53 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
This below, that is what was implied. End of story. AA is Not going to pull a DL 777 retirement.

OMG. Between the clickbait travel blogggers and posters in here who either never read the source of information, never read the article, or just fly in with blantently wrong speculate statments

chonetsao wrote:
jodieellis wrote:
Confusing. But AA will still keep 77W instead. The 772 will likely be retired.


The original news source never said B772 fleet will be retired. It simply said AA is conducting a fleet review to discuss possibilities of the INCOMING B788/789 to replace the B772. That means B772 will be with AA for few more years until all B788/789 are delivered. That will take us to 2023 I believe.


OMG is right. My read is that well before COVID, the level of hostility on a.net drove away a lot of the industry insiders and folks with a good line on info. After that, the sourcing on here has been way thinner, with links to the Points Guy or other sources that don't have a deep historical knowledge base. In this case, there is nothing new. Obviously, frames in any fleet coming due for heavy maintenance in any fleet are going to go out to grass - at least for a while. If the recovery is faster, they will go through HMVs. If it is slow, they will be sold or retired for good. But the thought of parking a fleet as giant and central as AA's 77Es is - thankfully - not yet on the table.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 7:32 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
Checking Planespotters.net, it appears that 23 of AA's 47 B77E's have the older cabin layouts. Rather than AA going to the expense of coverting these to their current interior standard, perhaps they will simply retire those unconverted B77E's?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/American-Airlines


They're not really "older," they just have the Concept D seat vs the Super Diamond seats in business class. Agree that these may be first to go if they do retire 77Es, but there's not a plan to retrofit them with Super Diamond so they wouldn't be saving any previously planned expense.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 8:08 pm

One problem is replacing 777-200ER with 37 J class seats with 787 is they have way less Business Class seats, The AA 787-8 has ONLY 20 J class seats, way too few. Even the 787-9 with 30 J class seats needs another 12 or 18 to match Qantas and United Business Class capacity. The lack of J class seats on the 787-8 is one reason AA had a hard time making money from Chicago to Asia. If AA does kill off part of their 772 fleet the 787-10 needs to be part of the AA future fleet plan.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 8:27 pm

jfk777 wrote:
The lack of J class seats on the 787-8 is one reason AA had a hard time making money from Chicago to Asia.


Chicago to both Shanghai and Beijing were cut before 787-8 retrofits began which introduced Premium Economy and decreased business from 28 to 20 seats.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 8:36 pm

jfk777 wrote:
One problem is replacing 777-200ER with 37 J class seats with 787 is they have way less Business Class seats, The AA 787-8 has ONLY 20 J class seats, way too few. Even the 787-9 with 30 J class seats needs another 12 or 18 to match Qantas and United Business Class capacity. The lack of J class seats on the 787-8 is one reason AA had a hard time making money from Chicago to Asia. If AA does kill off part of their 772 fleet the 787-10 needs to be part of the AA future fleet plan.

AA could convert some 787 orders to the -10, which could fit 36-40 J seats in the forward section. Or create a high-J 789. Then again, demand for J could drop especially if business travel is reduced.
 
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Fri May 22, 2020 9:03 pm

ILikeTrains wrote:
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FTFY :bouncy:

jfk777 wrote:
One problem is replacing 777-200ER with 37 J class seats with 787 is they have way less Business Class seats, The AA 787-8 has ONLY 20 J class seats, way too few. Even the 787-9 with 30 J class seats needs another 12 or 18 to match Qantas and United Business Class capacity. The lack of J class seats on the 787-8 is one reason AA had a hard time making money from Chicago to Asia. If AA does kill off part of their 772 fleet the 787-10 needs to be part of the AA future fleet plan.


Easy fix, though. And if they are retiring 777-200ER, maybe they can even take J clas seats out of those and move them to 787s. (Might be a slightly different seat type).

But look, I was on a senior B772 (UA) last summer. She was fine (Polaris Business Class), but those older aircraft have to be getting pretty expensive to maintain and the 772 is a thirsty bird when compared the A333, let alone the 787 and A330NEO. Older aircraft are nice to have because you can park them during a downturn and they are inexpensive to own. AA started taking 777s in 1997. It's shocking to me that an aircraft that was brand-spanking-new in my lifetime is now facing retirement (then again, I remember the first 744s, but my voice hadn't broken yet), but time goes on.

Of the widebodies in service older A330s and 772s (especially the 77As) are probably going to go. Internationally, I see a lot of 773 (not 77W) probably getting parked, too.
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 9:17 pm

Ishrion wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
The lack of J class seats on the 787-8 is one reason AA had a hard time making money from Chicago to Asia.


Chicago to both Shanghai and Beijing were cut before 787-8 retrofits began which introduced Premium Economy and decreased business from 28 to 20 seats.


Asia has been a dumpster fire for all airlines for years, minus the exception of SFO-Asia and a few other routes on US carriers from other gateways.

Key word: few.

Primary reason being the influx of ASMs from state-owned Chinese carriers or from small startups like Xiamen, Sichuan, Capital, HKE (RIP) and the likes of HU (semi-RIP) plus premium, non-state owned airlines like ANA, JAL, Cathay, Singapore, EVA, etc. Point being, way too much capacity on US-Asia, dirt cheap fares (and thus yields) and the opportunity costs of having to utilize two widebodies for each individual route, with perhaps SEA or HNL to North Asia being the outliers.

Given the situation in HKG, the fall out from COVID-19, and the fact that state-owned carriers have still maintained some level of capacity to US markets, it will be a long, long time before the US Big Three return to the level of service that they had at the start of 2020. These routes were the first to get chopped, one because of outbreak, but two because these routes were performing badly as-is. I suspect that the reinstatement of some carriers like UA, DL etc. will be to a much smaller, scaled-down list of either somewhat viably decent performers, flown with 787s or A350s, and/or to a handful of markets that merit resumption for business or political purposes.

Essentially, I would be shocked to see LAX experience a rapid restoration of service to Asia on any of the major U.S. airlines.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Fri May 22, 2020 11:04 pm

Its funny to me that AA a few years ago with so many old MDs and fleet diversity went from the most old inefficient fleet batch to now the most efficient fleet in america. it only took a virus/Merger and lots of debt.

So yeah, those 77E aren't going to last and i'm betting all of them by the end of the year. it'll be 787/77W and maybe 7810 but a conversion from the current order.

Who wants to bet the the 737 will be fully gone as well and the A220 will be coming in?
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 9:24 am

AA has had the youngest fleet for years.

AA is not getting rid of all the 737s nor the A320 family and have firm orders for the 737Max and A321neos. They won’t be ordering the 220 b

I’ll take that bet.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 10:23 am

randomdude83 wrote:
Its funny to me that AA a few years ago with so many old MDs and fleet diversity went from the most old inefficient fleet batch to now the most efficient fleet in america. it only took a virus/Merger and lots of debt.

So yeah, those 77E aren't going to last and i'm betting all of them by the end of the year. it'll be 787/77W and maybe 7810 but a conversion from the current order.

Who wants to bet the the 737 will be fully gone as well and the A220 will be coming in?

Wrong. Here in BFM we will be doing heavy checks on 3 lines of the 772s starting in Aug. That's all we're going to be doing for AA for some time to come. We also have 25 of them parked on RWY 36/18 for now, so we don't have far go to get them.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 10:28 am

ok question, why do some of you say 777-300 and 77W in the same sentence when its the same plane?? Whats wrong with just typing 772 or 773?!
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 10:36 am

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ok question, why do some of you say 777-300 and 77W in the same sentence when its the same plane?? Whats wrong with just typing 772 or 773?!


Hi, I tend to do the same but in fact they are not the same. The 77W is a 777-300ER, the 773 is a plain 777-300. I only fly the former so I don't know the weight and fuel numbers for the non er type. I don't believe there were many produced as with the 777-200 non er. Good for high volume shorter routes but definitely less useful overall.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 10:51 am

Fixinthe757 wrote:
randomdude83 wrote:
Its funny to me that AA a few years ago with so many old MDs and fleet diversity went from the most old inefficient fleet batch to now the most efficient fleet in america. it only took a virus/Merger and lots of debt.

So yeah, those 77E aren't going to last and i'm betting all of them by the end of the year. it'll be 787/77W and maybe 7810 but a conversion from the current order.

Who wants to bet the the 737 will be fully gone as well and the A220 will be coming in?

Wrong. Here in BFM we will be doing heavy checks on 3 lines of the 772s starting in Aug. That's all we're going to be doing for AA for some time to come. We also have 25 of them parked on RWY 36/18 for now, so we don't have far go to get them.

Well considering aa is just doing a fleet review now and their cash burn needs to come down quickly. Their current plans for August is kind of irrelevant to this discussion.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 12:07 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
Checking Planespotters.net, it appears that 23 of AA's 47 B77E's have the older cabin layouts. Rather than AA going to the expense of coverting these to their current interior standard, perhaps they will simply retire those unconverted B77E's?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/American-Airlines


That list is yeaaaaars out of date. All 77Es have had the same layout for a while now. The only difference is that some have the concept D seat and some have the Super Diamond.

F was removed a long time ago.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 1:00 pm

Fixinthe757 wrote:
ok question, why do some of you say 777-300 and 77W in the same sentence when its the same plane?? Whats wrong with just typing 772 or 773?!

772=original, short range 777-200 (not ER), older engines
77E=777-200ER, what AA owns, older engines
773=777-300, older engines (not what AA owns, not ER)
77W=777-300ER, what AA owns, GE-90-115
777L=777-200LR, what DL is retiring, GE-90-110 (same engine, reduced thrust due to reduced rudder moment arm).

So nothing wrong with just typing 77E or 77W, but you suggest models AA doesn't own.

I see older 77Es being retired. IIRC, Trent 800s.

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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 2:42 pm

tphuang wrote:
Fixinthe757 wrote:
randomdude83 wrote:
Its funny to me that AA a few years ago with so many old MDs and fleet diversity went from the most old inefficient fleet batch to now the most efficient fleet in america. it only took a virus/Merger and lots of debt.

So yeah, those 77E aren't going to last and i'm betting all of them by the end of the year. it'll be 787/77W and maybe 7810 but a conversion from the current order.

Who wants to bet the the 737 will be fully gone as well and the A220 will be coming in?

Wrong. Here in BFM we will be doing heavy checks on 3 lines of the 772s starting in Aug. That's all we're going to be doing for AA for some time to come. We also have 25 of them parked on RWY 36/18 for now, so we don't have far go to get them.

Well considering aa is just doing a fleet review now and their cash burn needs to come down quickly. Their current plans for August is kind of irrelevant to this discussion.

Not when that schedule came out yesterday it isnt
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

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tphuang wrote:
Fixinthe757 wrote:
Wrong. Here in BFM we will be doing heavy checks on 3 lines of the 772s starting in Aug. That's all we're going to be doing for AA for some time to come. We also have 25 of them parked on RWY 36/18 for now, so we don't have far go to get them.

Well considering aa is just doing a fleet review now and their cash burn needs to come down quickly. Their current plans for August is kind of irrelevant to this discussion.

Not when that schedule came out yesterday it isnt

That still does not change whether or not they will retire the fleet. Do you think heavy check on a couple of aircraft means they won’t retired aircraft? That’s to be determined in their fleet review which I am sure is ongoing.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 3:07 pm

jfk777 wrote:
The lack of J class seats on the 787-8 is one reason AA had a hard time making money from Chicago to Asia.


What do you mean? Did they come with Premium Economy instead of Business?
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 3:17 pm

VSMUT wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
The lack of J class seats on the 787-8 is one reason AA had a hard time making money from Chicago to Asia.


What do you mean? Did they come with Premium Economy instead of Business?


Less business.20J on the 787 vs 37J on the 77E.

That said, the poster is mixing multiple unrelated concepts to find causation. ORD-Asia has been losing money for a long time. It was losing money when the 787s had 28 J seats too.
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Sat May 23, 2020 3:18 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
If AA does retire the 77E, can they please retire the Concept D frames first!


Curious as to what's special about the Concept D frames.


Nothing. Just the business interiors are concept D vs some having the Super Diamond. The concept D seats generally suck, so I think the poster was wishing those get the axe first.
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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Sat May 23, 2020 3:28 pm

ILikeTrains wrote:
Simple Flying is cancer.

Yet their articles appear in Google News searches.

If there any Wikipedians on here, perhaps they might want to look at getting them added to the list of unreliable sources on the Wikipedia notice board:

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Re: Rumor: AA may follow DL and retire 777 fleet

Sat May 23, 2020 4:06 pm

Antarius wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
If AA does retire the 77E, can they please retire the Concept D frames first!


Curious as to what's special about the Concept D frames.


Nothing. Just the business interiors are concept D vs some having the Super Diamond. The concept D seats generally suck, so I think the poster was wishing those get the axe first.

Its because theyre more of a pain to take out/put in. Bit more to deal with.
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 4:08 pm

tphuang wrote:
Fixinthe757 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Well considering aa is just doing a fleet review now and their cash burn needs to come down quickly. Their current plans for August is kind of irrelevant to this discussion.

Not when that schedule came out yesterday it isnt

That still does not change whether or not they will retire the fleet. Do you think heavy check on a couple of aircraft means they won’t retired aircraft? That’s to be determined in their fleet review which I am sure is ongoing.

Of course they could retire aircraft, didn't say they wouldn't, but they wont be doing heavy checks on a plane theyre about to retire either
 
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Re: AA conducting fleet review, may retire some 777-200ERs

Sat May 23, 2020 4:55 pm

CURQ400 wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Checking Planespotters.net, it appears that 23 of AA's 47 B77E's have the older cabin layouts. Rather than AA going to the expense of coverting these to their current interior standard, perhaps they will simply retire those unconverted B77E's?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/American-Airlines


That list is yeaaaaars out of date. All 77Es have had the same layout for a while now. The only difference is that some have the concept D seat and some have the Super Diamond.
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F was removed a long time ago.


You are probably right. Cross referencing Seatguru for AA's 77E they only show one seating configuration.

https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Ameri ... 00ER_E.php

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