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DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:01 am

Still looking for the complete list. The article does not specify them.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL1N2D42H0
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:04 am

@Delta gets approval to suspend service in #LNK, leaving @united as the only airline serving the https://twitter.com/LincolnBizBuzz/stat ... 8367797248
 
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:11 am

From another Rooters article:

Delta:
Aspen, Colorado;
Bangor, Maine; Flint, Michigan;
Santa Barbara, California;
and Lincoln, Nebraska

United:
Chattanooga,
Hilton Head
Myrtle Beach
Key West
Lansing
Kalamazoo

Jetblue:
Albuquerque
Palm Springs
Sarasota
Worcester

Alaska:
Charleston, SC.

Not a complete list, just what I have been able to find, so far.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... um=twitter
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:18 am

Ishrion wrote:


Great find, thanks!

Palm Springs losing Frontier, Allegiant, and Jetblue.

St. Thomas losing Searborne, Silver, and United.
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 2:27 am

I'm a bit surprised by Palm Springs being cut by B6. Charleston, San Antonio, and New Orleans being cut by AS is surprising as well.

It's a bit of a bummer to see DL drop LNK. My grandparents lived there, and I've flown NW and DL many times between MSP and LNK. Sad to see that go.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:29 am

Alaska dropping CMH is a bit of a surprise
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:30 am

AS gets to drop 5 cities. In addition to CHS they can drop Columbus, El Paso, San Antonio and New Orleans.
When will these take effect?Comment period is thru end of this month.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:30 am

flyinggoat wrote:
I'm a bit surprised by Palm Springs being cut by B6. Charleston, San Antonio, and New Orleans being cut by AS is surprising as well.

It's a bit of a bummer to see DL drop LNK. My grandparents lived there, and I've flown NW and DL many times between MSP and LNK. Sad to see that go.

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No foriegn students, no meetings or conferences, no big attended sporting events, no reason to service Lincoln with OMA just down the road.
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 2:34 am

Is Silver/Seaborne in trouble? Tampa and San Juan are big operations for them.
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:34 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
University of Nebraska.
No foriegn students, no meetings or conferences, no big attended sporting events, no reason to service Lincoln with OMA just down the road.


Yeah, I'm not surprised to see LNK go, it's just a bummer to see it happen. I've done the trip from OMA to Lincoln a few times too.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:35 am

flyinggoat wrote:
I'm a bit surprised by Palm Springs being cut by B6. Charleston, San Antonio, and New Orleans being cut by AS is surprising as well.

It's a bit of a bummer to see DL drop LNK. My grandparents lived there, and I've flown NW and DL many times between MSP and LNK. Sad to see that go.


PSP makes complete sense. It's summer time in Death Valley - not many people are clamoring to go vacation in the summer to the middle of the desert. B6 had chosen to use their winter schedule as the baseline, and PSP is served then by B6, but not the summer. The only reason they were operating this flight was they were told by the DOT to do it.

Not really surprised by the AS cuts. CHS was basically a Boeing shuttle that wasn't daily. SAT and MSY are thin, long routes out of SEA that can easily be served connecting onto AA metal over DFW.

The biggest surprise on this list for me was AA only using four of its 11 exemptions. Also looks like DL is stuck being the airline serving ORH.
 
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Alaska dropping CMH is a bit of a surprise

Just out of E175 range and 737 is too much aircraft right now. E175 probably spared MKE.
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:45 am

Not shocked at all by DL and FSM...I had been expecting that cut in every weekly schedule update thread from Enilria. XNA only has 1x daily to ATL. There's no way that FSM needs the same frequency (albeit a CR9 versus CR2). Prior to the current situation FSM was only 2x to ATL on CR2s. They tried at least one of the flights, if not both, on a CR7 for a summer or two but they never held. Now AA will have the airport to itself.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:51 am

flyinggoat wrote:
I'm a bit surprised by Palm Springs being cut by B6. Charleston, San Antonio, and New Orleans being cut by AS is surprising as well.

It's a bit of a bummer to see DL drop LNK. My grandparents lived there, and I've flown NW and DL many times between MSP and LNK. Sad to see that go.


Common thread in these are (1) smaller O&D and (2) leisure destinations.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 2:54 am

Silver dropping Tampa? And Seabourne dropping San Juan? Don’t both of these airlines have bases and a large presence at these airports?
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 3:03 am

Not surprised one bit about AZO losing UA. They didn’t have many flights to ORD anyway and they were frequently late.

Very happy to see that LAN and AZO were spared though, albeit a little surprising to see two DGS stations placed above a mainline DL post. Maybe it has something to do with the PPP stuff?
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 3:20 am

When are these drops allowed to happen?
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 3:22 am

So much for the EGE-ASE-MTJ milk-run flight...

Frankly, shocked AA dropped Vail. No doubt it’s lower demand in the summer, but given their relatively large presence their, still fairly surprising
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 3:32 am

Here is the full US DOT report. Airlines have until May 28 to file objections to the tentative decisions.

https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0037-0175

The report went on to say that all airlines got what they requested, with the exceptions of: Aguadilla, Puerto Rico; Culebra, Puerto Rico; Vieques, Puerto Rico; Destin, Florida and Worcester, Massachusetts. For those five airports, apparently all carriers serving them requested their flights be dropped, and thus tiebreakers were used to make sure someone continued to fly there.
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 3:33 am

kavok wrote:
When are these drops allowed to happen?

Look at the traffic:

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

Airlines will burn through all the cash too quickly if routes cannot be dropped. The rules will change until a meaningful uptick occurs.

Unfortunately, it is accepting this will be a bad recession and some cities will lose service.

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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 3:36 am

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Alaska dropping CMH is a bit of a surprise


I don't get it. They just announced it was going double-daily during the Summer (prior to COVID), too. Are they just ceding the route to DL? :confused:
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Sat May 23, 2020 3:47 am

DeltaRules wrote:
Insertnamehere wrote:
Alaska dropping CMH is a bit of a surprise


I don't get it. They just announced it was going double-daily during the Summer (prior to COVID), too. Are they just ceding the route to DL? :confused:


Delta is not flying SEA-CMH and I doubt they resume it this summer.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 3:55 am

Wow, how times have changed in Willston, ND New airport not even a year old and will soon be down to one airline with daily service. Part of the push for a new airport was due to increased growth.
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 4:12 am

DeltaRules wrote:
Insertnamehere wrote:
Alaska dropping CMH is a bit of a surprise


I don't get it. They just announced it was going double-daily during the Summer (prior to COVID), too. Are they just ceding the route to DL? :confused:

DL has already scrapped its plans to launch SEA-CMH. And so did AS its SEA-CVG launch. It makes sense for AS to drop routes that DL doesn’t fly...
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 4:18 am

Nothing should surprise me anymore, but SY suspending MSN was not one I expected. They had some pretty big plans for the summer, W/ nonstops to EWR, BOS, BNA, PDX and more.
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 4:34 am

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Not really surprised by the AS cuts. CHS was basically a Boeing shuttle that wasn't daily. SAT and MSY are thin, long routes out of SEA that can easily be served connecting onto AA metal over DFW.

The biggest surprise on this list for me was AA only using four of its 11 exemptions. Also looks like DL is stuck being the airline serving ORH.


CHS-SEA is daily, although without Boeing sending significant amounts of corporate travelers the route makes little sense.

SAT & MSY I wouldn't say are more thin than airports like MKE, IND, PIT, e.t.c all of which could be accommodated through ORD. AS serves SAT 2x daily in the summer, and MSY has seasonal SFO in addition to the SEA flight.
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Sat May 23, 2020 4:53 am

I'm truly shocked DL didn't try to cut RSW. Maybe I just don't know a lot about the inner workings of the airline industry (ok, there's about a 98% chance I don't know all the thoughts going into these cuts). Tampa is 1.5-2 hour drive north, PBI is 2.5 hours east, and MIA/FLL are 2 hours southeast. I watched first hand from the ramp as we went from 33 flights per day with multiple daily flights to ATL, MSP, DTW, LGA, & BOS (seasonal as well as JFK but JFK is only daily). We are now down to just 4 flights a day, 2x daily ATL, 1x daily MSP & DTW, and it happened all within about a 2 week period. Again I'm just a ramp rat.. I don't know all the managerial decisions that go on in Atlanta.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 5:03 am

So how many of these dropped cities are temporary and how many are permanent closures?
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 5:09 am

kavok wrote:
Here is the full US DOT report. Airlines have until May 28 to file objections to the tentative decisions.

https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0037-0175

The report went on to say that all airlines got what they requested, with the exceptions of: Aguadilla, Puerto Rico; Culebra, Puerto Rico; Vieques, Puerto Rico; Destin, Florida and Worcester, Massachusetts. For those five airports, apparently all carriers serving them requested their flights be dropped, and thus tiebreakers were used to make sure someone continued to fly there.


I'm surprised that ORH wasn't given the same exemption that MHT/PVD got for BOS. It's easier to get from downtown Worcester to BOS than it is from BOS/PVD - straight 45 minute shot down I-90. AA, B6 and DL were only in ORH due to Massport twisting their arms to get more access at BOS.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 5:18 am

jb1087xna wrote:
Not shocked at all by DL and FSM...I had been expecting that cut in every weekly schedule update thread from Enilria. XNA only has 1x daily to ATL. There's no way that FSM needs the same frequency (albeit a CR9 versus CR2). Prior to the current situation FSM was only 2x to ATL on CR2s. They tried at least one of the flights, if not both, on a CR7 for a summer or two but they never held. Now AA will have the airport to itself.


Unsurprising I agree, but a new situation to get used to nonetheless. I don't know if FSM has ever been served only by a single airline.
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 6:20 am

Not surprised by B6 dumping PSP. I live not too far from there (Twentynine Palms) and it's a mystery to me that anybody wants to fly in in the hellish depths of the summer. In a normal year, around April the bizjets clear out and things get pretty sleepy at KPSP. We'll see how things go in October when the snowbirds come back.
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 6:47 am

Wow, Aspen losing two of its three airlines.
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 7:03 am

kavok wrote:
Here is the full US DOT report. Airlines have until May 28 to file objections to the tentative decisions.

https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0037-0175

The report went on to say that all airlines got what they requested, with the exceptions of: Aguadilla, Puerto Rico; Culebra, Puerto Rico; Vieques, Puerto Rico; Destin, Florida and Worcester, Massachusetts. For those five airports, apparently all carriers serving them requested their flights be dropped, and thus tiebreakers were used to make sure someone continued to fly there.

I didn't see Vieques Air Link or Air Culebra (the latter if they still operate) on that list....aren't they covered by the DOT as well??
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 7:25 am

DakotaFlyer wrote:
Wow, how times have changed in Willston, ND New airport not even a year old and will soon be down to one airline with daily service. Part of the push for a new airport was due to increased growth.

Even ignoring COVID, WTI at $33 a barrel is bad news for western ND. Pretty sure their break even is usually around $55 a barrel.
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Sat May 23, 2020 7:28 am

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I'm truly shocked DL didn't try to cut RSW. Maybe I just don't know a lot about the inner workings of the airline industry (ok, there's about a 98% chance I don't know all the thoughts going into these cuts). Tampa is 1.5-2 hour drive north, PBI is 2.5 hours east, and MIA/FLL are 2 hours southeast. I watched first hand from the ramp as we went from 33 flights per day with multiple daily flights to ATL, MSP, DTW, LGA, & BOS (seasonal as well as JFK but JFK is only daily). We are now down to just 4 flights a day, 2x daily ATL, 1x daily MSP & DTW, and it happened all within about a 2 week period. Again I'm just a ramp rat.. I don't know all the managerial decisions that go on in Atlanta.

Look at the airports they’re suspending service to. I bet with the exception of maybe a token 1x daily mainline flight they’re all RJ stations.
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Sat May 23, 2020 7:40 am

Most of Delta’s drops are actually CRJ-200 routes specifically.
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 7:44 am

It is interesting that Southwest evidently didn't apply for permission to drop any cities. I guess they are trying to share/show the "Luv" for all of their remaining service points, and I suppose they are the one airline with the largest cash reserves so they can most afford such a strategy.
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 7:59 am

lightsaber wrote:
kavok wrote:
When are these drops allowed to happen?

Look at the traffic:

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

Airlines will burn through all the cash too quickly if routes cannot be dropped. The rules will change until a meaningful uptick occurs.

Unfortunately, it is accepting this will be a bad recession and some cities will lose service.

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Sat May 23, 2020 10:24 am

jetblueguy22 wrote:
GatorClark wrote:
I'm truly shocked DL didn't try to cut RSW. Maybe I just don't know a lot about the inner workings of the airline industry (ok, there's about a 98% chance I don't know all the thoughts going into these cuts). Tampa is 1.5-2 hour drive north, PBI is 2.5 hours east, and MIA/FLL are 2 hours southeast. I watched first hand from the ramp as we went from 33 flights per day with multiple daily flights to ATL, MSP, DTW, LGA, & BOS (seasonal as well as JFK but JFK is only daily). We are now down to just 4 flights a day, 2x daily ATL, 1x daily MSP & DTW, and it happened all within about a 2 week period. Again I'm just a ramp rat.. I don't know all the managerial decisions that go on in Atlanta.

Look at the airports they’re suspending service to. I bet with the exception of maybe a token 1x daily mainline flight they’re all RJ stations.


FNT is a mainline station, 1x 738 and 2x 9E RJ9 departures a day before the pandemic.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 10:36 am

kavok wrote:
Here is the full US DOT report. Airlines have until May 28 to file objections to the tentative decisions.

https://beta.regulations.gov/document/D ... -0037-0175

The report went on to say that all airlines got what they requested, with the exceptions of: Aguadilla, Puerto Rico; Culebra, Puerto Rico; Vieques, Puerto Rico; Destin, Florida and Worcester, Massachusetts. For those five airports, apparently all carriers serving them requested their flights be dropped, and thus tiebreakers were used to make sure someone continued to fly there.


It's soliciting objections from "all interested parties", not just the airlines. I doubt many airlines will object to this order (kind of hypocritical to object to another airline's drops when you are dropping cities yourself).
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 10:40 am

kavok wrote:
When are these drops allowed to happen?


It doesn't appear there is a set date. Interested parties have until May 28th to file objections and DOT will produce a final, possibly amended, list at some point after that.
 
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 11:53 am

Keep in mind that just because they got permission to drop it doesn’t mean they will be dropping it entirely

I know in Jetblue’s case they are just looking for schedule flexibility

Jetblue was previously allowed to drop a bunch of cities like Tampa, and chose not to.

Furthermore, this is a very dynamic situation, with traffic improving dramatically week over week.

JetBlue just came to an agreement with its pilot union yesterday on added flying and compensation. (the flights were added to the pilot opentime pot after bidding but were available to purchase pre bidding)

Long story short, at least domestically, we have pulled out of the nosedive and are starting a slow climb...But we still have a mountain to clear ahead
 
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ifIHadWings wrote:
It is interesting that Southwest evidently didn't apply for permission to drop any cities. I guess they are trying to share/show the "Luv" for all of their remaining service points, and I suppose they are the one airline with the largest cash reserves so they can most afford such a strategy.

It could also be that WN does not have partners performing routes with Regional Jets.
 
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It could also be that WN does not have partners performing routes with Regional Jets.

How much flexibility do airlines have to outsource service to partners?
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 2:38 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Keep in mind that just because they got permission to drop it doesn’t mean they will be dropping it entirely

I know in Jetblue’s case they are just looking for schedule flexibility

Jetblue was previously allowed to drop a bunch of cities like Tampa, and chose not to.

Furthermore, this is a very dynamic situation, with traffic improving dramatically week over week.

JetBlue just came to an agreement with its pilot union yesterday on added flying and compensation. (the flights were added to the pilot opentime pot after bidding but were available to purchase pre bidding)

Long story short, at least domestically, we have pulled out of the nosedive and are starting a slow climb...But we still have a mountain to clear ahead


I could see that. I can't speak for the others (and I know the dynamic is totally different now), but AS was pulling LFs north of 90% on CMH-SEA last year (I think July was 97%).
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Re: DOT Grants tentative Approval to 15 US Airlines to Drop service to 75 airports

Sat May 23, 2020 3:01 pm

PSP is obviously the big loser out west. At least only an hour drive from ONT. The other surprise for me is Allegiant cutting TUS. They were building up in TUS and going to have 4 cities served by June (PVU, IND, BLI, and LAS).
 
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DLASFlyer wrote:
Wow, Aspen losing two of its three airlines.


Aspen seems like an easy choice because effectively this decision is for summer 2020 only, and guessing summer demand to Aspen via plane will probably be way down this year.

Remember, after October 1st the airlines can add or drop whatever destination they want without penalty. Thus it makes the most sense to drop the stations where airlines know they aren’t going to have summer demand this year.
 
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DLASFlyer wrote:
Wow, Aspen losing two of its three airlines.


In general a big hit to the Colorado ski towns.
 
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Sat May 23, 2020 3:25 pm

TUSDawg23 wrote:
PSP is obviously the big loser out west. At least only an hour drive from ONT. The other surprise for me is Allegiant cutting TUS. They were building up in TUS and going to have 4 cities served by June (PVU, IND, BLI, and LAS).


The PSP cuts are mainly seasonal routes that wouldn't have been flown in the summer anyways, so not really a loss for them.

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