usflyer msp wrote:
The thing is that it is even more crazy that some people think somehow DL can replace or will bring more to LA than AA did, and that too with ATL.
Here at LA, we are very happy to have DL as a partner. The claims that AA brought a lot to us are myths; even when they were our "partner", we could rely on cooperation from Delta in case of IROP or other issues much more than we could count on AA. Everyone seems to overlook the fact that Miami connections are not the only important needs; we can feed Delta flights in SCL, LIM, GRU, and GIG, and their flights from there to ATL offer many more connections than AA ever offered from MIA.
I know an "owfan" might not like it, and might not like to admit it, but once this pandemic is gone, we will be in a much stronger position than we would have been with AA. Actually, you probably should be worrying a lot more about AA than about LA. We will be okay.
p.s. Just because someone does not agree with you does not make them "crazy".
That is way overly rosy thinking.
AA offered way more connectivity at SCL, LIM, and GRU than DL - AA has multiple daily flights to MIA, DFW and often JFK. BTW, LA has been basically non-existent at GIG for quite some time.
I question whether DL is more helpful during IRRops than AA. Based upon experiences in the US, DL is generally the worst to deal with when interlining pax.
DL adding the top 20 markets at MIA. You speak as if that is something DL could do at the drop of a hat and AA is not going to ruthlessly retaliate. If DL did try this, AA will always have the benefit of much deeper schedule and a tight grip on the local MIA business pax.
Wishful thinking. LA is in trouble.
I'd say ALL airlines around the globe are in deep doo doo - the key is if they have enough cash reserve and cut down their cash burn rate to survive until the traffic returns to a point they can start to make a profit again.
Let's talk about scenarios pre-COVID. In terms of MIA vs ATL - I agree that it's much better to fly to a destination that has both O/D and connecting like MIA, however, I believe LA has enough O/D traffic to MIA on their own. Maybe LA would have downgraded from 77W to 787/767 to MIA for OD passengers, and DL can carry passengers to ATL for connecting to the rest of the US with a 330. Before everything changed, DL was also going to add more flights to MIA - they don't have to turn MIA into anything into a hub like AA, just enough to service cities that would require back trekking from ATL (i.e. MIA-MCO/FLL/TPA/MSY) DL has a lot of A220s that are perfectly suited for these kinds of routes.
LA still is the biggest airline for South America, their passengers will use them no matter who is connecting them in the US (In Atlanta) or in EU (AF/KL). The O/D market for JFK/MIA/MAD will remain strong and does not impact who LA teams up with.
Also - we should all remember that the JV between AA and LA was rejected, thus the value of the partnership was severely reduced before DL came into the picture.
Today - who knows what will happen. If LA survives and traffic goes back to pre-COVID in 2022, I still think LA made a good decision partnering with DL, and I'd still argue that for connecting passengers in the US, DL still offers more connections out of ATL than AA from MIA.