onwFan wrote:jordanh wrote:tphuang wrote:It's kind of ridiculous to say that losing dominant carrier partnership at the largest NA market and largest 2 European market is not a big loss.
Plenty of people buy connecting itineraries of code shared and interlined alliance partners in OW without JV. I used to always pick OW airlines when I was EXP regardless of whether or not they had JV with AA. That was a huge benefit of being in OW. And now all they got is DL.
You must not know much about LA. We are very well know in southern Florida, and will continue to serve our loyal passengers there. Delta may add some connecting passengers, but that is what you say is "gravy". Delta's huge hub at Atlanta brings flights to all of our hubs in South America, and we will take those passengers throughout the continent.
We have our own flights to Orlando, Los Angeles, and JFK. If we add our own flights to ATL, we will have access to many more connections than AA gave at MIA. You are welcome to stick with OW; we have moved up from there.n9801f wrote:But when traffic is weak, you can’t afford to split up the few passengers across two US gateways or you’ll get two half-full intercontinental flights. In those times LATAM might prefer AA.
I don't know why people who are from other places (probably from AA employees) keep telling us what we might prefer. We didn't enter an agreement with Delta blindfolded; we knew what we were doing. We continue to handle traffic to Miami with many flights - we certainly don't need AA to do that - and we will receive some feed from DL there. Delta will continue to fly from ATL (and from all the places served via Atlanta) to South America, and we will happily take over from there.
Had we not partnered with Delta, and had they not helped us financially and by taking some of out aircraft orders, we would be in far worse shape than we are now.
Things are not just as straightforward as you make them appear. LA relied a lot on AA and IB’s network strength to provide numerous nonstop options to its customers. As part of oneworld, they were able to sell non-stop flights from almost every country/major city in South America to MIA and MAD; which have all disappeared. For example, by relying on their oneworld partners AA and IB, LA was able to sell competitive non-stop options on several big routes that it didn’t fly, like EZE-MAD, BOG-MAD, UIO/GYE-MAD, GIG-MIA/MAD, BOG/CLO/MDE/CTG/BAQ-MIA, UIO/GYE-MAD, BOG-MAD, etc. In addition, as far as LA’s routes to MAD and MIA are concerned, not only do IB and AA fly those routes, they offer higher frequencies. This crisis is only going to further reduce the number of options LA will have to the US and Europe. To say that by leaving most of its current fliers to either backtrack and connect to one of their hubs or ATL was a brilliant idea just doesn’t make much sense.
I do not know the exact details of the JV but generally the deals DL works out with its distressed JV partners are very pro-Delta. It remains to be seen how the revenue is going to be split and how that is going to benefit LA.