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Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 4:00 pm

Are they really? I know they have been removed from service because of the Covid-19 situation but they are probably kept in storage, as opposed to leaving the fleet for ever. The 767s are gone, yes that we know. That's understandable because their retirement was scheduled to be this year anyway, next year at the latest even if there was no pandemic crisis. But the remaining 757s, at least the LAA ones configured for international flying, were still young and their retirement was only set for 2023 as new A321NeoXLRs would start to arrive. A bit premature to retire now the LAA 757s, in my opinion.
I am sure that if demand picks up American will reintroduce the 757 in its fleet, maybe not the LUS ones but at least the LAA ones. I still have a slight hope that American will bring back the 757, although the chances are slim to none.

I'm glad I got to fly on one back in January of this year, as that would probably be my last flight, ever, on an American 757.
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 4:07 pm

PHL-SNN/EDI goes to 788
PHL-KEF goes to A321neo
MIA-BSB/LIM goes to A321
DFW-LIM goes to 788
Ex-757 routes out of EGE are seeing the A319
DFW-STT goes to A319.

I agree the retirement was a bit premature. Upgauging from the 752 to the 788 on some routes is questionable given demand may not recover in time for the resumption of some routes.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 4:07 pm

They’re gone forever. I’m a flight attendant and the aircraft was removed from our annual recurrent training. To be honest, I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 4:33 pm

American 767 wrote:
I am sure that if demand picks up American will reintroduce the 757 in its fleet, maybe not the LUS ones but at least the LAA ones.


Specifically, the AA press release said it was 'accelerating the retirement' of the 757, not that it was done - as was the case with the 767s.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

However, do you think that AA lacks aircraft to meet expected demand for the next ~24 months? Why would they return a type that needs a specific pilot work group?
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 4:48 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
I am sure that if demand picks up American will reintroduce the 757 in its fleet, maybe not the LUS ones but at least the LAA ones.


Specifically, the AA press release said it was 'accelerating the retirement' of the 757, not that it was done - as was the case with the 767s.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

However, do you think that AA lacks aircraft to meet expected demand for the next ~24 months? Why would they return a type that needs a specific pilot work group?


Because the deliveries of its replacement, the A321NeoXLR, are only expected for 2023 at the earliest. I am not saying demand will be drastically high in the next two years, I was only speculating if and with a big if demand gets higher than expected.
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 4:52 pm

American 767 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
I am sure that if demand picks up American will reintroduce the 757 in its fleet, maybe not the LUS ones but at least the LAA ones.


Specifically, the AA press release said it was 'accelerating the retirement' of the 757, not that it was done - as was the case with the 767s.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

However, do you think that AA lacks aircraft to meet expected demand for the next ~24 months? Why would they return a type that needs a specific pilot work group?


Because the deliveries of its replacement, the A321NeoXLR, are only expected for 2023 at the earliest. I am not saying demand will be drastically high in the next two years, I was only speculating if and with a big if demand gets higher than expected.


I expect that the state of the industry in general for the next 3-5 years will be such that carriers that need or want to accelerate deliveries will be able to do that fairly easily.
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 4:55 pm

SNN is a lot of aircraft with a 788...
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 5:03 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
American 767 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

Specifically, the AA press release said it was 'accelerating the retirement' of the 757, not that it was done - as was the case with the 767s.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

However, do you think that AA lacks aircraft to meet expected demand for the next ~24 months? Why would they return a type that needs a specific pilot work group?


Because the deliveries of its replacement, the A321NeoXLR, are only expected for 2023 at the earliest. I am not saying demand will be drastically high in the next two years, I was only speculating if and with a big if demand gets higher than expected.


I expect that the state of the industry in general for the next 3-5 years will be such that carriers that need or want to accelerate deliveries will be able to do that fairly easily.

I agree aircraft will be available. But due to the complexity of manufacture (my opinion), the xLR isn't delivered until 2023:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... 21xlr.html

I think the 757 is done. The cost to return to service exceeds the profit potential for the next 5 to 7 years. That is far too many NEO or MAX delivered to consider it again.

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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 5:05 pm

Or SNN is a market that will be held off and not see service returned until an appropriate aircraft is delivered. (Could also go seasonal.) None of these things is even written in sand, much less stone.)
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 5:06 pm

Ishrion wrote:
PHL-SNN/EDI goes to 788
PHL-KEF goes to A321neo
MIA-BSB/LIM goes to A321
DFW-LIM goes to 788
Ex-757 routes out of EGE are seeing the A319
DFW-STT goes to A319.

I agree the retirement was a bit premature. Upgauging from the 752 to the 788 on some routes is questionable given demand may not recover in time for the resumption of some routes.


Could the A21N also do EGE, or does that require the higher-thrust P&W engines? (AA A21Ns are CFM LEAP powered.)
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 5:27 pm

NYCAAer wrote:
They’re gone forever. I’m a flight attendant and the aircraft was removed from our annual recurrent training. To be honest, I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.

Nothing is more horrible then the AA 737 Max aircraft.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 5:43 pm

The international configured 757 business seats were really nice. I liked the 757 in AA's fleet. Sorry to see the 757 and 767 go from the fleet.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 6:39 pm

They're done, crews are no longer current. Quite a few opted to retire with the aircraft, others went on to new fleets. I'll miss the Luxury Jet, MIA and DFW will never feel the same.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 6:53 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
American 767 wrote:
I am sure that if demand picks up American will reintroduce the 757 in its fleet, maybe not the LUS ones but at least the LAA ones.


Specifically, the AA press release said it was 'accelerating the retirement' of the 757, not that it was done - as was the case with the 767s.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

However, do you think that AA lacks aircraft to meet expected demand for the next ~24 months? Why would they return a type that needs a specific pilot work group?


The headline of the presser you linked says "A fond farewell to five fantastic fleets".

The very first paragraph says "Last month, American Airlines announced plans to accelerate the retirement of some older, less fuel-efficient aircraft from its fleet sooner than originally planned. As flying schedules and aircraft needs are fine-tuned during this period of record low demand, American will take the unique step of retiring a total of five aircraft types."

The third bullet point for the 757-200 is in the past tense - "Flew mostly mainland domestic and Hawaii routes, with some trans-Atlantic and Latin America service."

It's done, it ain't coming back. Crew here are confirming that.
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 7:06 pm

I saw an AA 777 on AMS this morning, never have seen that in 25 yrs. I've seen 757s. Things are changing.
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 7:17 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
American 767 wrote:

Because the deliveries of its replacement, the A321NeoXLR, are only expected for 2023 at the earliest. I am not saying demand will be drastically high in the next two years, I was only speculating if and with a big if demand gets higher than expected.


I expect that the state of the industry in general for the next 3-5 years will be such that carriers that need or want to accelerate deliveries will be able to do that fairly easily.

I agree aircraft will be available. But due to the complexity of manufacture (my opinion), the xLR isn't delivered until 2023:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... 21xlr.html

I think the 757 is done. The cost to return to service exceeds the profit potential for the next 5 to 7 years. That is far too many NEO or MAX delivered to consider it again.

Lightsaber


Thanks - I hadn’t thought about the XLR angle. But I don’t really view the XLR as a true 752 replacement because as I understand it the XLR trades runway performance for range. AA has historically used the 752’s runway performance in quite a few places. (Don’t misunderstand me - I think the XLR is a great choice for AA, just not exactly as a 752 replacement.)
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 7:31 pm

I wonder what the pilots that’s didn’t retire are going to move to. I know a guy that flew 321s but an incident led him to moving back to 767s. He didn’t like all the automation. Maybe pilots who flew the 757 for that reason will move to 787s?
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 7:36 pm

Like the 767 fleet, majority of the 757s had been prepurchased for cargo conversion. (many 767s are already in TLV for conversion) Sadly, as confirmation they are gone, as the 757s flew their last scheduled flights for AA they then went to outsourced maintenance facilities, think BHM got a few. A or B checks were completed per sale agreement and then transferred to new owners.
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Sat May 30, 2020 8:08 pm

BENAir01 wrote:
I wonder what the pilots that’s didn’t retire are going to move to. I know a guy that flew 321s but an incident led him to moving back to 767s. He didn’t like all the automation. Maybe pilots who flew the 757 for that reason will move to 787s?

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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 8:23 pm

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I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.

Hardly.

They were one of the best things on the TATL: quick on, quick off.
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 8:46 pm

PHX-Hawaii has gone all A321(N) which was a large reason for the existence of the LUS 757 fleet. They're done.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 8:46 pm

keesje wrote:
I saw an AA 777 on AMS this morning, never have seen that in 25 yrs. I've seen 757s. Things are changing.


Wasn’t the AA 777 on DFW-AMS when that route launched a year or two ago or am I mistaken?

Also what you saw today was likely a cargo run. Passenger flights from PHL are on a 787 I think now?
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 8:57 pm

RvA wrote:
keesje wrote:
I saw an AA 777 on AMS this morning, never have seen that in 25 yrs. I've seen 757s. Things are changing.


Wasn’t the AA 777 on DFW-AMS when that route launched a year or two ago or am I mistaken?

Also what you saw today was likely a cargo run. Passenger flights from PHL are on a 787 I think now?


DFW-AMS was originally on the 763 when it launched in May 2017. Then it was upgauged to the 772 for the 2018/2019 seasons.

Once it resumes next week, it'll be on the 788. Currently AA is operating 777-300ERs on DFW-AMS for cargo-only flights.

As for PHL, a few years ago it was on the 752, then 763, and now 788.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 9:02 pm

At least most of these ex-AA 757's will live on plying the cargo routes. Who has bought them by away ?
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 9:02 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.

Hardly.

They were one of the best things on the TATL: quick on, quick off.


Perhaps, but the poster was giving their opinion as a crew member, not as a passenger. Such can make quite a difference.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 9:02 pm

I'm guessing DFW-ANC will probably see B788 or A321neo from now on as well.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 9:18 pm

ltbewr wrote:
At least most of these ex-AA 757's will live on plying the cargo routes. Who has bought them by away ?


I'm sure Icelandair would be interested, whether for pax hauling or conversion to cargo.
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 9:38 pm

I think FI are cooling on 757, so would doubt they'd snap them up now
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 10:40 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
PHX-Hawaii has gone all A321(N) which was a large reason for the existence of the LUS 757 fleet. They're done.


Loved watching the morning 757arrivals from the islands from the west at PHX.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 10:56 pm

The AA 767s have been snatched up for cargo conversions. I’ve not heard anything about this last batch of 757s being bought for anything yet.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 11:17 pm

Loved the 757 out of SNA. But it’s been a long time.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 11:33 pm

UA444 wrote:
The AA 767s have been snatched up for cargo conversions. I’ve not heard anything about this last batch of 757s being bought for anything yet.


The last 16 AA B763's in the fleet have been sent to American's favorite "rest home" at ROW for the time being. However, I'll bet there are offers from cargo conversion shops for these planes.

Converted B763's can offer much greater max payload (96,560lbs.) for slightly higher operating costs than converted B757's (84,240lbs.). The converted B763's can also fly a longer range (3,900nm) than converted B757's (2,900nm) at MTOW. B757F's and conversions are a more specialized niche in freight market which replaced B727F's & conversions for package shippers such as FedEx, UPS and DHL. I believe all three of these operators have all of the B757F's and conversions they will need for the time being.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sat May 30, 2020 11:44 pm

DFW17L wrote:
Loved the 757 out of SNA. But it’s been a long time.


Yes, there was a time when SNA was 757 heaven. I remember. That was probably because the runways layout would allow small aircraft not to be disturbed by 757 wake turbulence. I flew on one from JFK to SNA R/T back in 2003, when American was flying 757s out of JFK to several West Coast markets.
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Sun May 31, 2020 12:35 am

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To be honest, I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.


And there's your answer for why they did it. If flight attendants don't like them, it overwhelmingly usually is indicative of other serious operational shortcomings.
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Sun May 31, 2020 12:48 am

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I'm guessing DFW-ANC will probably see B788 or A321neo from now on as well.

Indeed. DFW-ANC is being flown by a 321NEO next month.
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Sun May 31, 2020 1:16 am

LAX772LR wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.

Hardly.

They were one of the best things on the TATL: quick on, quick off.


Too narrow to sit in for 8+ hours. But that's just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion.
 
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Too narrow to sit in for 8+ hours. But that's just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion.

Should I take an over/under that the same people whining about that, would be squealing to ride upstairs in a 747.....?
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Sun May 31, 2020 2:57 am

LAX772LR wrote:
N62NA wrote:
Too narrow to sit in for 8+ hours. But that's just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion.

Should I take an over/under that the same people whining about that, would be squealing to ride upstairs in a 747.....?


Whining? Not.
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 5:07 am

Cubsrule wrote:
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MIflyer12 wrote:

Specifically, the AA press release said it was 'accelerating the retirement' of the 757, not that it was done - as was the case with the 767s.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

However, do you think that AA lacks aircraft to meet expected demand for the next ~24 months? Why would they return a type that needs a specific pilot work group?


Because the deliveries of its replacement, the A321NeoXLR, are only expected for 2023 at the earliest. I am not saying demand will be drastically high in the next two years, I was only speculating if and with a big if demand gets higher than expected.


I expect that the state of the industry in general for the next 3-5 years will be such that carriers that need or want to accelerate deliveries will be able to do that fairly easily.


Excep that as the A321XLR has still yet to be certified. Which is why they are expected in 2023.
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 5:12 am

eugdjinn wrote:
Or SNN is a market that will be held off and not see service returned until an appropriate aircraft is delivered. (Could also go seasonal.) None of these things is even written in sand, much less stone.)


I figure if they need the range before they have the XLR they can always use a 788 temp & replace the old 788 route with the shorter range LR & the route the LR was on with the 738. After all not all the routes they are operated on need the full range of the planes running the routes.
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sun May 31, 2020 5:17 am

So much for flying on one ever. DFW-EGE was as close to a chance I had if I had to go skiing (fare was pretty high because of time of year so I went with a different route.... and extra trip, which I didn't regret).

AA319s and 32Ns are the way to go now. Wouldn't mind flying on either.
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 6:36 am

Vicenza wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.

Hardly.

They were one of the best things on the TATL: quick on, quick off.


Perhaps, but the poster was giving their opinion as a crew member, not as a passenger. Such can make quite a difference.


I was giving my opinion of the 757 as a crew member. Tiny galleys, one aisle so you were constantly moving the carts and disrupting the service to allow people to pass to get to the lavatory. No chillers in the galleys, so I was always wondering if someone was going to get sick from eating the second meal, and finally there was no room for all the trash. I found deplaning also took a long time with one aisle, about the same number of people were on the 767-200 we used on Europe and it was more human in every respect. I once worked a flight from JFK to CDG on the 757 while I had two simultaneous unrelated medical emergencies on a full flight, and there was nowhere to get the sick passengers so they could lie flat. That was quite the trip, I’ll never forget that one. Mercifully I had a great crew and we all pulled together.
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 7:18 am

LAX772LR wrote:
N62NA wrote:
Too narrow to sit in for 8+ hours. But that's just my opinion. Just like you have your opinion.

Should I take an over/under that the same people whining about that, would be squealing to ride upstairs in a 747.....?


Done both J in a 757 and upstairs J on a 747. The latter felt more spacious and roomy to me. Could be an illusion but it felt nothing alike.
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 7:37 am

flight152 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
They’re gone forever. I’m a flight attendant and the aircraft was removed from our annual recurrent training. To be honest, I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.

Nothing is more horrible then the AA 737 Max aircraft.


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Sun May 31, 2020 9:01 am

Guillaume787 wrote:
flight152 wrote:
NYCAAer wrote:
They’re gone forever. I’m a flight attendant and the aircraft was removed from our annual recurrent training. To be honest, I won’t miss them! Horrible on transatlantic.

Nothing is more horrible then the AA 737 Max aircraft.


Truer words have never been spoken!


Is it different from the Maxs other airlines have?
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 9:12 am

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SNN is a lot of aircraft with a 788...


Am I not right in saying that as part of the BA transatlantic joint venture, AA are forced to put business flat beds on all transatlantic routes & that KEF got a get out clause
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Sun May 31, 2020 9:40 am

Eirules wrote:
by738 wrote:
SNN is a lot of aircraft with a 788...


Am I not right in saying that as part of the BA transatlantic joint venture, AA are forced to put business flat beds on all transatlantic routes & that KEF got a get out clause

Perhaps. Again filling all those flatbeds at profitable fares is a big ask... I remain unconvinced. Same with EDI. Perhaps a less than daily split might work high season. As others have said... whether these routes materialise again is anyones guess
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 9:51 am

by738 wrote:
Eirules wrote:
by738 wrote:
SNN is a lot of aircraft with a 788...


Am I not right in saying that as part of the BA transatlantic joint venture, AA are forced to put business flat beds on all transatlantic routes & that KEF got a get out clause

Perhaps. Again filling all those flatbeds at profitable fares is a big ask... I remain unconvinced. Same with EDI. Perhaps a less than daily split might work high season. As others have said... whether these routes materialise again is anyones guess


When (if) EI finally get into the BA/AA transatlantic joint venture, the EI A321NEO would be a much better option. Smaller aircraft, ticks the flatbed box and AA could just codeshare & revenue share
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sun May 31, 2020 11:32 am

Could some one please tell me what's the difference between LUS and LAA ones?
 
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Re: Is American really done with the 757?

Sun May 31, 2020 11:39 am

JDAirCEO wrote:
Like the 767 fleet, majority of the 757s had been prepurchased for cargo conversion. (many 767s are already in TLV for conversion) Sadly, as confirmation they are gone, as the 757s flew their last scheduled flights for AA they then went to outsourced maintenance facilities, think BHM got a few. A or B checks were completed per sale agreement and then transferred to new owners.

A and B checks are simple line checks. They aren’t outsourced. And it would be BFM not BHM. All 757s are at ROS.

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