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DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 12:07 am

According to the Whitehorse Star, an electrical issue caused the diversion.

Based on where the plane was when it turned around, I’m pretty surprised they didn’t land at JNU instead of dealing with the headaches of an international diversion on a domestic flight. My guess is they wanted the straight-in approach and longer runway that YXY offers. JNU weather this morning was calm and 10 miles visibility so it wasn’t a weather issue.

https://www.facebook.com/14902414859158 ... 69288/?d=n

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1 ... /PAFA/CYXY
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 1:18 am

Looks like it won't be fixed too fast as there is a 737-900 on its way to rescue everyone. Surprised they sent something so big when there were only about 20 passengers on the A220!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KSEA/CYXY
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 4:42 am

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Surprised they sent something so big when there were only about 20 passengers on the A220!


Likely the only spare Mainline aircraft and crew available in SEA at the moment. As I recall, DL doesn't have a 320 base in SEA
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 5:05 am

Chugach wrote:
According to the Whitehorse Star, an electrical issue caused the diversion.

Based on where the plane was when it turned around, I’m pretty surprised they didn’t land at JNU instead of dealing with the headaches of an international diversion on a domestic flight. My guess is they wanted the straight-in approach and longer runway that YXY offers. JNU weather this morning was calm and 10 miles visibility so it wasn’t a weather issue.

https://www.facebook.com/14902414859158 ... 69288/?d=n

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL1 ... /PAFA/CYXY


I would assume they would just keep the passengers onboard or in some sort of sterile area until the second aircraft is coming up.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 5:25 am

Hopefully YXY has a sterile area they sectioned off. The 20 pax were there for quite awhile.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 5:38 am

I believe it was the first 220 to visit here, nice to have something new to geek out to.

I was also surprised they chose here and not Juneau to avoid the customs hassles. Whitehorse usually has non-stop flights from/to Frankfurt with 767s during the summer so facilities aren't an issue, but first I'd be surprised if the passengers all had passports, and secondly the Yukon's borders are currently COVID closed to anyone not either a resident or an essential service.

Word on the street is they de-planed but kept them isolated.

Maybe the wanted down fast? Runway might also be a reason, three runways here with the main one having over 9500 feet of useable runway with long straight in approaches at both ends (also ILS and a selection of RNAV approaches available), as well as services available upon arrival (fire trucks, customs, local airline here offers ground handling and fuel and is equipped for little biz jets right up to A330s). Weather here was not the greatest today, but this morning wasn't super bad either, the regular airlines here come and go in much worse.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 5:59 am

Why would you go to yxy and not jnu
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 6:16 am

JNU is way too difficult, particularly for pilots who may be unfamiliar with the approach and a plane with mechanical difficulties. Hence, they chose YXY.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 6:36 am

formeraa wrote:
JNU is way too difficult, particularly for pilots who may be unfamiliar with the approach and a plane with mechanical difficulties. Hence, they chose YXY.

Makes no sense. Unless the weather was bad they have a localizer approach. The cirus club flies it every year
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 3:24 pm

JNU is a special category airport for 121; possibly crew not qualified. If you have an electrical emergency don’t need to complicate things with a mountainous airport requiring special quals.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 3:44 pm

32andBelow wrote:
formeraa wrote:
JNU is way too difficult, particularly for pilots who may be unfamiliar with the approach and a plane with mechanical difficulties. Hence, they chose YXY.

Makes no sense. Unless the weather was bad they have a localizer approach. The cirus club flies it every year


Your comparing a Cirrus to a comercial passenger jet? Part 61 GA flying is a whole different world from Part 121 rules and regulations. DL may not have OpsSpecs for JNU, performance penalty on a possible mechanical issue, etc. Numerous reasons to not choose JNU. We don't willy-nilly put the airplane down on any old runway unless you have uncontrollable flames. An American airplane diverting to Canada is literally no big deal and this is not the first time its happened, won't be the last.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 3:48 pm

"International" considerations are pretty minimal in this case since we are talking about Canada. You don't want to take a transport into any airport on the coast pf SE Alaska/BC unless you are familiar.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 4:18 pm

Passedv1 wrote:
"International" considerations are pretty minimal in this case since we are talking about Canada. You don't want to take a transport into any airport on the coast pf SE Alaska/BC unless you are familiar.


Yup. Likely the passengers were mostly US people who were admissible to Canada barring some criminal history. And flying to or from Alaska without a passport in hand is lunacy.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 10:31 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Passedv1 wrote:
"International" considerations are pretty minimal in this case since we are talking about Canada. You don't want to take a transport into any airport on the coast pf SE Alaska/BC unless you are familiar.


Yup. Likely the passengers were mostly US people who were admissible to Canada barring some criminal history. And flying to or from Alaska without a passport in hand is lunacy.


From my 1 visit to YXY, I seem to recall the gate holdroom area could be easily partitioned.

Ironically YXY has (in normal times) seasonal service to JNU with tiny outfit Alaska Seaplanes.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Sun May 31, 2020 11:10 pm

32andBelow wrote:
formeraa wrote:
JNU is way too difficult, particularly for pilots who may be unfamiliar with the approach and a plane with mechanical difficulties. Hence, they chose YXY.

Makes no sense. Unless the weather was bad they have a localizer approach. The cirus club flies it every year


It's not just the approach, depending on the weather not every airplane/crew is certified to depart. This repaired plane or a rescue plane could have been stuck in JNU for hours or even days. No airline is more aware of this than Delta.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:34 am

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And flying to or from Alaska without a passport in hand is lunacy.


I can imagine that domestic flights to/from Alaska are just filled with lunatics. How many diversions a year to Canada? How often does Canada trouble Americans w/o passports who are diverted - no fault of their own? Canadian authorities are typically pretty pragmatic about this stuff:

An estimated 1,500 Americans illegally and unexpectedly washed up in Canada late Sunday after strong winds blew them across the St. Clair River near Sarnia, Ont.

They were participating in the annual Port Huron Float Down, during which people simply float down the river on rafts, inner tubes and other flotation devices from Port Huron, Mich.

High winds pushed them to a number of points along the Canadian shore. They had to be rescued by Sarnia police, the OPP, the Canadian Coast Guard, Canada Border Service Agency and employees from a nearby chemical company Lanxess Canada.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ ... -1.3730792
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:06 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
And flying to or from Alaska without a passport in hand is lunacy.


I can imagine that domestic flights to/from Alaska are just filled with lunatics. How many diversions a year to Canada? How often does Canada trouble Americans w/o passports who are diverted - no fault of their own? Canadian authorities are typically pretty pragmatic about this stuff:

An estimated 1,500 Americans illegally and unexpectedly washed up in Canada late Sunday after strong winds blew them across the St. Clair River near Sarnia, Ont.

They were participating in the annual Port Huron Float Down, during which people simply float down the river on rafts, inner tubes and other flotation devices from Port Huron, Mich.

High winds pushed them to a number of points along the Canadian shore. They had to be rescued by Sarnia police, the OPP, the Canadian Coast Guard, Canada Border Service Agency and employees from a nearby chemical company Lanxess Canada.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/ ... -1.3730792


Oh, the Canadians are generous, as are most governments dealing with unexpected but innocent “incursions.” But passports grease the skids.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:29 am

32andBelow wrote:
formeraa wrote:
JNU is way too difficult, particularly for pilots who may be unfamiliar with the approach and a plane with mechanical difficulties. Hence, they chose YXY.

Makes no sense. Unless the weather was bad they have a localizer approach. The cirus club flies it every year


Juneau requires special training, especially since DL has seasonal service- the captain has to have gone thru the training and performed all the approaches in the sim a few times.

Lotsa gusty winds on those 3000-5000' mountains surrounding PAJN
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:47 am

usxguy wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
formeraa wrote:
JNU is way too difficult, particularly for pilots who may be unfamiliar with the approach and a plane with mechanical difficulties. Hence, they chose YXY.

Makes no sense. Unless the weather was bad they have a localizer approach. The cirus club flies it every year


Juneau requires special training, especially since DL has seasonal service- the captain has to have gone thru the training and performed all the approaches in the sim a few times.

Lotsa gusty winds on those 3000-5000' mountains surrounding PAJN


Thus why Juneau has JAWS (Juneau Airport Wind System)
https://www.weather.gov/ajk/JAWS

The channel can get a little bumpy at times, especially around Sheep Creek.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:27 am

derr should have said.. BECAUSE DL has seasonal service, they have Ops Specs for Juneau. But its super specific in the type of plane & crew.

The C series should have all the bells & whistles to land here, but the crew did not.

Sitka may have been more suitable. Even Yakutat (which HAS an ILS).
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:03 am

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And flying to or from Alaska without a passport in hand is lunacy.


What an absurd statement. I know you are trying to act smart but it isn't working. Do you carry a passport to fly from BOS to ORD, LGA to MSP, or other similar flights?
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:56 am

usxguy wrote:
derr should have said.. BECAUSE DL has seasonal service, they have Ops Specs for Juneau. But its super specific in the type of plane & crew.

The C series should have all the bells & whistles to land here, but the crew did not.

Sitka may have been more suitable. Even Yakutat (which HAS an ILS).

Yakutat would be dumb. There’s a good Lda and a good RNAV into Sitka. KTN also has an ILS. I don’t know where this mechanical happened exactly.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:30 am

Cubsrule wrote:
Passedv1 wrote:
"International" considerations are pretty minimal in this case since we are talking about Canada. You don't want to take a transport into any airport on the coast pf SE Alaska/BC unless you are familiar.


Yup. Likely the passengers were mostly US people who were admissible to Canada barring some criminal history. And flying to or from Alaska without a passport in hand is lunacy.


Pure lunacy!!! Same with those pax flying from the NE US to the PNW and cross over Canada... lunatics!
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:19 am

IPFreely wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
And flying to or from Alaska without a passport in hand is lunacy.


What an absurd statement. I know you are trying to act smart but it isn't working. Do you carry a passport to fly from BOS to ORD, LGA to MSP, or other similar flights?


Absolutely. There’s really no downside in doing so.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:13 pm

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There’s really no downside in doing so.


Nope, none at all. I always use my passport when flying, domestically or otherwise,
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:29 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

There’s really no downside in doing so.


Nope, none at all. I always use my passport when flying, domestically or otherwise,

So do I. But the notion that flying to Alaska without a passport is lunacy, is...lunacy.

Procedures are in place for this kind of thing. Canada doesn’t expect Americans on a US domestic flight to have a passport on hand. Having a passport on hand is not going to get you special treatment...you are going to be handled and kept with all the other passengers.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:37 pm

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Why would you go to yxy and not jnu


http://twinandturbine.com/article/the-p ... th-juneau/
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:53 pm

Polot wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

There’s really no downside in doing so.


Nope, none at all. I always use my passport when flying, domestically or otherwise,

So do I. But the notion that flying to Alaska without a passport is lunacy, is...lunacy.

Procedures are in place for this kind of thing. Canada doesn’t expect Americans on a US domestic flight to have a passport on hand. Having a passport on hand is not going to get you special treatment...you are going to be handled and kept with all the other passengers.


Wait, hang on. Canada won't admit US passport holders who are admissible if a diversion turns into a long stay in Canada? I have a hard time believing that.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:53 pm

Just about everything between the Maritimes: Halifax, Moncton, Fredericton etc and Central Canada: Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto etc will be in US airspace for about 200 miles across Maine.....and all I ever use is my Driver's License as ID...... but I could end-up at BGR in an emergency (it has happened).

On a flight between Halifax and Toronto last year we even ventured further into the States and from the New Brunswick-Maine border we were in US airspace all the way to Buffalo due to thunderstorms. They gave Rochester as our alternate to YYZ …..but I still boarded with just my Driver’s License as ID. They weren’t looking for a Passport ‘just in case’ we ended up in the US!

So I imagine with the long standing relationship between the US and Canada agreements are already in place for just such diversions as they could happen to citizens of either country with the number of daily over flights that occur between the two countries. Domestic US passengers on a flight from the east coast to the upper mid-west (BOS-MSP) or in this case Alaska could very easily find themselves in Canada so hopefully common sense would prevail!

And going back to the ‘90s…..the Air Canada/Air Nova early morning flight on a Dash-8 from Halifax to Boston stopped in YQI on the way. Yarmouth at the very southern tip of Nova Scotia is known for its morning fog….so when these flights couldn’t land there an intending YHZ-YQI domestic passenger would just be carried over to BOS and dropped off in YQI on the return flight later that morning after the fog burned off. This was pre-9-11 and that domestic passenger to YQI didn’t even need a photo ID to board the aircraft let alone a passport.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:13 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Polot wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:

Nope, none at all. I always use my passport when flying, domestically or otherwise,

So do I. But the notion that flying to Alaska without a passport is lunacy, is...lunacy.

Procedures are in place for this kind of thing. Canada doesn’t expect Americans on a US domestic flight to have a passport on hand. Having a passport on hand is not going to get you special treatment...you are going to be handled and kept with all the other passengers.


Wait, hang on. Canada won't admit US passport holders who are admissible if a diversion turns into a long stay in Canada? I have a hard time believing that.

If it is going to be a long stay arrangements will be made for all passengers. It’s not like passport holders will be allowed into Canada and everyone else left to fend for themselves on board the plane or in a small waiting room. It’s not just governments that want the passengers all together, the airline would prefer that all the passengers are together so that information can quickly and easily be relayed to them, and they can keep track of where everyone is.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:31 pm

Polot wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Polot wrote:
So do I. But the notion that flying to Alaska without a passport is lunacy, is...lunacy.

Procedures are in place for this kind of thing. Canada doesn’t expect Americans on a US domestic flight to have a passport on hand. Having a passport on hand is not going to get you special treatment...you are going to be handled and kept with all the other passengers.


Wait, hang on. Canada won't admit US passport holders who are admissible if a diversion turns into a long stay in Canada? I have a hard time believing that.

If it is going to be a long stay arrangements will be made for all passengers. It’s not like passport holders will be allowed into Canada and everyone else left to fend for themselves on board the plane or in a small waiting room. It’s not just governments that want the passengers all together, the airline would prefer that all the passengers are together so that information can quickly and easily be relayed to them, and they can keep track of where everyone is.


Of course. But if the situation turns into everyone being admitted, it's much easier to get admitted with a valid travel document in hand. Nobody goes and gets a Russian visa to fly from the US to China or Japan, but where it's so easy to avoid a potential hassle there's no downside.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:32 pm

I was on this flight that was bound for Whitehorse BUT diverted to Anchorage:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/ai ... -1.5401211

and US/CA customs have a handshake agreement in instances like this. They have a way to put you in the system like at a land crossing, with just your Yukon/BC license. Myself and a few others had our passports (living in Juneau I always keep it handy when flying). Customs was almost leaving for home when they got the call an A319 was inbound.

Clearing for me and a few others was easy, but it took a while for the others who didn't have their Canadian passports. I heard some didnt make it out of customs until 4am.
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:33 pm

Lmao a passport to fly to Alaska. You guys know it’s a state right. A real US state.
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:28 pm

As a Canadian flying across the country from time to time, I have learned from experience its better to pack the passport, but leave the marijuana at home. It works both ways......
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:18 pm

Take a tip from a long time traveller; never, ever leave on any trip without your passport. I've found myself being rerouted though Canada and other times having to cross the land border unexpectedly. It make life a lot easier when you have it with you. And don't get me started on airport staff, some wearing government badges, who can't recognize a valid US driver license...seriously!
 
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Re: DL1327 (FAI-SEA) diverts to YXY

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:36 pm

LAXffDUB wrote:
Take a tip from a long time traveller; never, ever leave on any trip without your passport.


I always have my passport and NEXUS card when I'm flying. It lives in my bag next to my wallet. You never know if you'll get stuck someplace and a route through Canada is your only way home.

Plus the NEXUS card is better at TSA than my non-travel ID license. I'm not paying $25 for one of those.

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