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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:45 pm

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qf002 wrote:

Hope they are keeping the orange on the belly.


Yes it looks like it

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https://twitter.com/aeronewsglobal/stat ... 00615?s=21


I really like the new livery! It’s a subtle change but I think it’s a nice modernisation!


Very Qantasy though, especially that tail.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:40 am

Qantas 747-400ER VH-OEI completing the first leg of the ferry flight to the desert tonight. SYD-LAX, departed 9:59AM, arrival 6:00AM (all times are local). Ferry LAX-MHV should be on the morning of Thursday, June 4th as mentioned previously.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oei
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:49 am

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This one is going to Jetstar Japan, but one could assume that all new Jestar Group deliveries will have this livery.


Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the current livery also debut on GK aircraft back in 2013?
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:24 am

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This one is going to Jetstar Japan, but one could assume that all new Jestar Group deliveries will have this livery.


Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the current livery also debut on GK aircraft back in 2013?

The one with the black titles? Yes I think so. That could have been the first A320 with Sharklets for the Jetstar Group too?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:46 am

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First A321LR for Jetstar has rolled out of final assembly, revised livery for JQ perhaps?

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https://twitter.com/Tobias_Gudat/status ... 22497?s=20


I'm assuming the German flag on the top of the tail is there to denote the country it was built in (given other airlines in the pic have the German flag in the same spot).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:04 am

brucetiki wrote:
qf789 wrote:
First A321LR for Jetstar has rolled out of final assembly, revised livery for JQ perhaps?

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https://twitter.com/Tobias_Gudat/status ... 22497?s=20


I'm assuming the German flag on the top of the tail is there to denote the country it was built in (given other airlines in the pic have the German flag in the same spot).


Yes that's right. It is also registered with the German D-**** until delivery.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:10 am

Qantas and Jetstar will increase domestic flights by the end of the month. Going from about 5% pre COVID-19 levels to around 15% by the end of June

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ic-flights

Qantas

MEL-SYD - increases from 5 to 46 weekly
BNE-SYD - increases from 5 to 21 weekly
MEL-BNE - increases from 4 to 14 weekly
MEL-PER - remains at 7 weekly
SYD-PER - remains at 7 weekly
ADL-MEL - resumes at 3 weekly
DRW-ASP-SYD remains at 2 weekly
DRW-BNE - remains at 2 weekly
CBR-SYD - increases from 5 to 19 weekly
CBR-MEL - increases from 5 to 16 weekly
CBR-BNE - increases from 5 to 10 weekly
LST-MEL - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
MEL-MQL - increases from 2 to 6 weekly
ADL-PLO - increases from 2 to 6 weekly
ADL-KGC - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
ADL-WYA - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
ABX-SYD - increases from 2 to 6 weekly
ARM-SYD - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
SYD-BNK - new route, 4 weekly
SYD-CFS - 6 weekly non-stop (previously 2 weekly via PQQ)
SYD-DBO, increases from 2 to 6 weekly
SYD-LDH - remains at 1 weekly
SYD-MRZ - resumes at 3 weekly
SYD-PQQ, increases from 2 to 6 weekly
SYD-TMW - increases from 2 to 6 weekly
SYD-WGA - increases from 2 to 6 weekly
PER-ZNE - increases from 2 to 10 weekly
PER-KTA - increases from 2 to 9 weekly
PER-PHE - increases from 2 to 9 weekly (previously via PBO, now non-stop)
PER-BME - increases from 2 to 7 weekly
PER-KGI - increases from 2 to 5 weekly
PER-GET - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
PER-LEA - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
PER-PBO - remains at 2 weekly
BNE-CNS - resumes at 6 weekly
BNE-TSV - resumes at 6 weekly
BNE-EMD - increases from 2 to 6 weekly
BNE-GLT - increases from 2 to 7 weekly
BNE-HVB - resuming at 3 weekly
BNE-LRE - remains at 3 weekly
BNE-MKY - increases from 3 to 10 weekly
BNE-MOV - increases from 3 to 9 weekly
BNE-ISA - increases from 2 to 5 weekly
BNE-ROK - increases from 3 to 11 weekly
BNE-RMA - remains at 4 weekly
CNS-HID - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
CNS-TSV - increases from 6 to 8 weekly
CNS-WEI - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
CVL-RMA, remains at 2 weekly
MKY-ROC, increases from 2 to 5 weekly
MKY-TSV - increase from 3 to 5 weekly
TSV-CNJ-ISA - remains at 3 weekly

Jetstar

MEL-SYD - increases 7 to 21 weekly
BNE-SYD - increase from 7 to 9 weekly
MEL-BNE - increases from 3 to 5 weekly
ADL-MEL - remains at 7 weekly
ADL-SYD - remains at 7 weekly
HBA-MEL - remains at 7 weekly
SYD-BNK - increases from 2 to 4 weekly
MEL-BNK - resumes at 3 weekly
MEL-NTL - resumes at 3 weekly
BNE-CNS - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
BNE-TSV - increases from 2 to 3 weekly
BNE-PPP - resumes at 3 weekly
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:05 am

Ahhh, my tranquility under the SYD flightpath is to come to an end shortly!

More seriously though, i cant imagine forward bookings will be crash hot?
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:27 am

qf2220 wrote:
Ahhh, my tranquility under the SYD flightpath is to come to an end shortly!

More seriously though, i cant imagine forward bookings will be crash hot?


Hence why they aren't bringing back 100% capacity and only 15%. Given that MEL-SYD especially has been sold out more often than not shows there is some demand.
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:44 am

brucetiki wrote:
qf789 wrote:
First A321LR for Jetstar has rolled out of final assembly, revised livery for JQ perhaps?

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https://twitter.com/Tobias_Gudat/status ... 22497?s=20


I'm assuming the German flag on the top of the tail is there to denote the country it was built in (given other airlines in the pic have the German flag in the same spot).

Yes A320 family aircraft are built and A380 are completed at Finkenwerder in Hamburg.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:56 am

anstar wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Ahhh, my tranquility under the SYD flightpath is to come to an end shortly!

More seriously though, i cant imagine forward bookings will be crash hot?


Hence why they aren't bringing back 100% capacity and only 15%. Given that MEL-SYD especially has been sold out more often than not shows there is some demand.

As I understand it, whilst flights are operating under federal government guarantee 100% sold is 67% capacity with middle seats left vacant. Once the government guarantee expires, currently mid-June but this may end up being different between QF and VA, QF have stated that they will make all seats available for sale.

Anecdotally, I am not hearing of huge pent up demand for lots of interstate travel with companies still a bit leery about putting their staff onto planes. This will gradually recover but thoughts of 40% of normal schedule in the next few months seems ambitious.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:17 am

qf2220 wrote:
Ahhh, my tranquility under the SYD flightpath is to come to an end shortly!


I sort of miss it actually. Years ago I lived in Erskineville, close to Sydney Park. Fortunately I was roughly between both north-south runways so the noise wasn’t too bad but the spotting was great.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:38 am

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Anecdotally, I am not hearing of huge pent up demand for lots of interstate travel with companies still a bit leery about putting their staff onto planes. This will gradually recover but thoughts of 40% of normal schedule in the next few months seems ambitious.


QF group have only committed to 15% of normal domestic capacity. They have said they have capability to ramp up to 40% in July if state borders open... but in reality its only going from 5% to 15%.
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:54 am

anstar wrote:
tullamarine wrote:

Anecdotally, I am not hearing of huge pent up demand for lots of interstate travel with companies still a bit leery about putting their staff onto planes. This will gradually recover but thoughts of 40% of normal schedule in the next few months seems ambitious.


QF group have only committed to 15% of normal domestic capacity. They have said they have capability to ramp up to 40% in July if state borders open... but in reality its only going from 5% to 15%.


I think you’ll see it ramp up pretty quickly, provided that there is update.

You take New Zealand Domestic for example 2 weeks ago, NZ started with 20% normal capacity. Within an week an half that has now returned to around 40%, and by July they are now planning to be at 60% of normal capacity.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:06 pm

tullamarine wrote:
anstar wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Ahhh, my tranquility under the SYD flightpath is to come to an end shortly!

More seriously though, i cant imagine forward bookings will be crash hot?


Hence why they aren't bringing back 100% capacity and only 15%. Given that MEL-SYD especially has been sold out more often than not shows there is some demand.

As I understand it, whilst flights are operating under federal government guarantee 100% sold is 67% capacity with middle seats left vacant. Once the government guarantee expires, currently mid-June but this may end up being different between QF and VA, QF have stated that they will make all seats available for sale.

Anecdotally, I am not hearing of huge pent up demand for lots of interstate travel with companies still a bit leery about putting their staff onto planes. This will gradually recover but thoughts of 40% of normal schedule in the next few months seems ambitious.


No pent up demand from our company in perth to go into the CBD never mind sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. It will be a slow recovery. We’re meant to be at 50pc in the office and it’s barely hitting 25pc. Flying to Sydney is not on the cards anytime soon for us.

Now Broome on the other hand...
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:38 pm

Qantas 747-400ER VH-OEI has been powered on and pushed back for possibly her final flight, LAX-MHV as QF6001.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oei
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:52 am

A MIAT Mongolian Airlines B767 is due into Sydney on June 6 at 7:05pm from Ulaanbaatar via Masbate City, Philippines. Looks like it'll be departing SYD 24 hours later.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:56 am

zkncj wrote:
anstar wrote:
tullamarine wrote:

Anecdotally, I am not hearing of huge pent up demand for lots of interstate travel with companies still a bit leery about putting their staff onto planes. This will gradually recover but thoughts of 40% of normal schedule in the next few months seems ambitious.


QF group have only committed to 15% of normal domestic capacity. They have said they have capability to ramp up to 40% in July if state borders open... but in reality its only going from 5% to 15%.


I think you’ll see it ramp up pretty quickly, provided that there is update.

You take New Zealand Domestic for example 2 weeks ago, NZ started with 20% normal capacity. Within an week an half that has now returned to around 40%, and by July they are now planning to be at 60% of normal capacity.


The situation in NZ is very different taking the path of eradication and no state borders to contend with - at this rate i cant see interstate flight ramping up much before September
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:09 am

redroo wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
anstar wrote:

Hence why they aren't bringing back 100% capacity and only 15%. Given that MEL-SYD especially has been sold out more often than not shows there is some demand.

As I understand it, whilst flights are operating under federal government guarantee 100% sold is 67% capacity with middle seats left vacant. Once the government guarantee expires, currently mid-June but this may end up being different between QF and VA, QF have stated that they will make all seats available for sale.

Anecdotally, I am not hearing of huge pent up demand for lots of interstate travel with companies still a bit leery about putting their staff onto planes. This will gradually recover but thoughts of 40% of normal schedule in the next few months seems ambitious.


No pent up demand from our company in perth to go into the CBD never mind sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. It will be a slow recovery. We’re meant to be at 50pc in the office and it’s barely hitting 25pc. Flying to Sydney is not on the cards anytime soon for us.

Now Broome on the other hand...


Yeah, Broome for 1600 bucks on a clapped out Fokker whilst in QLD you are paying $69 for similar sector lengths on an Airbus. Glad to be in WA, but sometimes maybe not. Suck it up I guess!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:36 pm

cougar15 wrote:
redroo wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
As I understand it, whilst flights are operating under federal government guarantee 100% sold is 67% capacity with middle seats left vacant. Once the government guarantee expires, currently mid-June but this may end up being different between QF and VA, QF have stated that they will make all seats available for sale.

Anecdotally, I am not hearing of huge pent up demand for lots of interstate travel with companies still a bit leery about putting their staff onto planes. This will gradually recover but thoughts of 40% of normal schedule in the next few months seems ambitious.


No pent up demand from our company in perth to go into the CBD never mind sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. It will be a slow recovery. We’re meant to be at 50pc in the office and it’s barely hitting 25pc. Flying to Sydney is not on the cards anytime soon for us.

Now Broome on the other hand...


Yeah, Broome for 1600 bucks on a clapped out Fokker whilst in QLD you are paying $69 for similar sector lengths on an Airbus. Glad to be in WA, but sometimes maybe not. Suck it up I guess!
Stay safe!


LOL. Every time Broome gets mentioned at home the aircraft type invariably gets discussed... looks like we’re staying in Perth :-)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:09 am

redroo wrote:
cougar15 wrote:
redroo wrote:

No pent up demand from our company in perth to go into the CBD never mind sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne. It will be a slow recovery. We’re meant to be at 50pc in the office and it’s barely hitting 25pc. Flying to Sydney is not on the cards anytime soon for us.

Now Broome on the other hand...


Yeah, Broome for 1600 bucks on a clapped out Fokker whilst in QLD you are paying $69 for similar sector lengths on an Airbus. Glad to be in WA, but sometimes maybe not. Suck it up I guess!
Stay safe!


LOL. Every time Broome gets mentioned at home the aircraft type invariably gets discussed... looks like we’re staying in Perth :-)


I have seen some A320 services being offered.. not sure if they are permanent. Some days I have seen a mix of 717s, F100 and A320 all on the same day.
 
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:27 am

Qantas operated a MAA-PER repatriation flight early this morning, with MAA being just over 3300nm it could be possible for an airline such as Indigo when the A321XLR is available

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-zni
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:29 am

Qantas has filed preliminary changes to both SYD-JNB and SYD-HND with 789 replacing 744 from 28 Mar 21, both daily services though more than likely given the current circumstances will likely be pushed back

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-02jun20/
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:37 am

On top of the current 3 weekly 77W for both DXB-SYD and DXB-MEL, Emirates will also begin a weekly 77w to both BNE (18 Jun 20) and PER (17 June 20)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-05jun20/

Emirates latest changes from July are

ADL - daily 77L from 1 Sep 20
BNE - 3 weekly 77W from 1 Aug 20 increasing to daily from 31 Aug 20, second daily planned to start 25 Oct 20, A388 operating
MEL - 3 weekly A380 from 2 Jul 20, 5 weekly from 1 Aug 20 increasing to 2 daily A388 from 1 Sep 20
PER - 4 weekly A380 from 2 Jul 20, daily from 15 Jul 20
SYD - 3 weekly 77W from 1 July 20, 5 weekly A380 from 1 Aug 20, double daily 77W/A380 from 1 Sep 20
DXB-SYD-CHC - daily A388 from 1 Sep 20
DXB-SIN-MEL - daily 77W from 1 Sep 20

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-04jun20/
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:40 am

Thai Airways changes now pushed back a month to August

BNE- 3 weekly 772 from 2 Aug 20
MEL- 5 weekly A359, from 1 Aug 20
PER - 3 weekly A333, from 2 Aug 20
SYD - 5 weekly 77W from 1 Aug 20

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-04jun20/
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:55 am

qf789 wrote:
Qantas operated a MAA-PER repatriation flight early this morning, with MAA being just over 3300nm it could be possible for an airline such as Indigo when the A321XLR is available

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-zni

Indigo timed to link up with Virgin Mk II through to ADL where there is a decent population of people wanting to go home to India for a visit ... now there's an idea :stirthepot:
 
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:25 am

Qantas says lounges will begin opening up in July, for those airports with both a Qantas Club and Qantas Business lounge it is likely one of the 2 will be open and the experience inside will be different due to extra measures taking affect such as social distancing

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -from-july
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:29 am

Calls are being made for the WA government to begin subsidising flights to BME and LEA, as they were pre COVID-19 to make them affordable

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/wes ... 54zo8.html
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:12 am

qf789 wrote:
On top of the current 3 weekly 77W for both DXB-SYD and DXB-MEL, Emirates will also begin a weekly 77w to both BNE (18 Jun 20) and PER (17 June 20)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-05jun20/

Emirates latest changes from July are

ADL - daily 77L from 1 Sep 20
BNE - 3 weekly 77W from 1 Aug 20 increasing to daily from 31 Aug 20, second daily planned to start 25 Oct 20, A388 operating
MEL - 3 weekly A380 from 2 Jul 20, 5 weekly from 1 Aug 20 increasing to 2 daily A388 from 1 Sep 20
PER - 4 weekly A380 from 2 Jul 20, daily from 15 Jul 20
SYD - 3 weekly 77W from 1 July 20, 5 weekly A380 from 1 Aug 20, double daily 77W/A380 from 1 Sep 20
DXB-SYD-CHC - daily A388 from 1 Sep 20
DXB-SIN-MEL - daily 77W from 1 Sep 20

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-04jun20/


I noticed an EK77W either Tues or Wed departing PER, probably around 0830AM (smoko time) . I have to presume it was empty as it climbed very quickly into some pretty rotten weather. Freight only on the inbound I guess , anyone have any ideas?
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:38 am

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I noticed an EK77W either Tues or Wed departing PER, probably around 0830AM (smoko time) . I have to presume it was empty as it climbed very quickly into some pretty rotten weather. Freight only on the inbound I guess , anyone have any ideas?

EK has been running a bunch of DXB-PER / PER-DXB freight services, started up about 3 weeks ago. Some with the usual EK420 / 421 flight number, other out of scheduled services as EK2670/71.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:14 am

The Australian government is extending the Domestic Aviation Network Support till 30 September (previously only until next week) and the Regional Airline Network Support till 31 December (previous plan was to end on 30 September). Leased airports will also be able to seek partial relief from land tax charges till 31 December 2020

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/aviati ... 881570100z
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:39 am

qf789 wrote:
The Australian government is extending the Domestic Aviation Network Support till 30 September (previously only until next week) and the Regional Airline Network Support till 31 December (previous plan was to end on 30 September). Leased airports will also be able to seek partial relief from land tax charges till 31 December 2020

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/aviati ... 881570100z


Interesting - I wonder if QF will still go ahead with its plans to stop social distancing onboard from mid June now?
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:16 am

SA2982 JNB-BNE is about 50 mins away from BNE.
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:31 am

Also a Hong Kong Airlines plane landed at MEL only a few hours ago (flight HX2015, Sunday 7th June, 2020).
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:42 am

I can't believe that EK will recommence flying it's A380's back to Australia this year and as early as July in Melbourne/Perth, given the borders are still closed by the Australian Government? There are a significantly large number of flights from the ME3 carriers when borders are still technically closed! Interesting times, wonder how they are funding these flights without full commercial loads?

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Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:46 am

VH-BZF wrote:
I can't believe that EK will recommence flying it's A380's back to Australia this year and as early as July in Melbourne/Perth, given the borders are still closed by the Australian Government? There are a significantly large number of flights from the ME3 carriers when borders are still technically closed! Interesting times, wonder how they are funding these flights without full commercial loads?

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There have been QR fares that have reached almost $4000 p.p. one way Australia to Europe over the past few months. I'm sure they are still making a pretty good income off of these 50%~60% LF flights.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:07 am

ben175 wrote:
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The Australian government is extending the Domestic Aviation Network Support till 30 September (previously only until next week) and the Regional Airline Network Support till 31 December (previous plan was to end on 30 September). Leased airports will also be able to seek partial relief from land tax charges till 31 December 2020

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/aviati ... 881570100z


Interesting - I wonder if QF will still go ahead with its plans to stop social distancing onboard from mid June now?


I doubt it as they have been given the OK from the government to sell all seats alongisde their project of flying well which supplies sanitiser, masks etc to pax.

Even with middle seats blocked out its not 1.5m social distancing.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:49 am

MIAT Mongolian 763 at SYD after arriving last night for a repatriation flight

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:38 am

South African Airways A346 ZS-SNF on final for Rwy 01R operating a repatriation flight from Joburg.

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Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:46 pm

I visited MHV today (June 7, for the Northrop Grumman L1011 N140SC), and saw the three Qantas 747-400ERs (VH-OEG, VH-OEH, VH-OEI) that are parked on the Western edge of the airport. VH-OEG had her tiles painted over, signifying that the 747s will not return to the Qantas fleet.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJdH0VBMZk/

(Mods, please allow as this is the only photo anywhere of VH-OEG's markings painted over)
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:58 am

Fuling wrote:
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I can't believe that EK will recommence flying it's A380's back to Australia this year and as early as July in Melbourne/Perth, given the borders are still closed by the Australian Government? There are a significantly large number of flights from the ME3 carriers when borders are still technically closed! Interesting times, wonder how they are funding these flights without full commercial loads?

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There have been QR fares that have reached almost $4000 p.p. one way Australia to Europe over the past few months. I'm sure they are still making a pretty good income off of these 50%~60% LF flights.


I think you're being overly generous assuming their load factors have been that high! I've spoken to a contact of mine at Melbourne airport and she told me QR's/EK's/EY's inbound loads are routinely low, some flights as low as 30 to 40 passengers. Their outbound loads also vary significantly too apparently. These carriers understandably are subsidised but again with our borders closed, not sure how they are making much revenue, although they are also carrying big cargo loads that help offset the cost I guess.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:26 am

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South African Airways A346 ZS-SNF on final for Rwy 01R operating a repatriation flight from Joburg


Great pics.

Still the most attractive aircraft flying to Aus IMO (tho im sure not for very much longer).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:50 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
I visited MHV today (June 7, for the Northrop Grumman L1011 N140SC), and saw the three Qantas 747-400ERs (VH-OEG, VH-OEH, VH-OEI) that are parked on the Western edge of the airport. VH-OEG had her tiles painted over, signifying that the 747s will not return to the Qantas fleet.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJdH0VBMZk/

(Mods, please allow as this is the only photo anywhere of VH-OEG's markings painted over)


Just means that that specific aircraft has been sold.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:17 am

Qantas has suspended both the weekly MEL-LAX and 2 weekly MEL-PER-LHR repatriation flights pending on more funding from the government. Virgin has also suspended the weekly BNE-LAX for the same reason

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Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:04 am

VHZNE wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
I visited MHV today (June 7, for the Northrop Grumman L1011 N140SC), and saw the three Qantas 747-400ERs (VH-OEG, VH-OEH, VH-OEI) that are parked on the Western edge of the airport. VH-OEG had her tiles painted over, signifying that the 747s will not return to the Qantas fleet.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJdH0VBMZk/

(Mods, please allow as this is the only photo anywhere of VH-OEG's markings painted over)


Just means that that specific aircraft has been sold.


They’ve also removed the aircraft entirely from Qantas schedule. I think that that’s the final nail in the coffin for the 747 feet.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:09 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
VHZNE wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
I visited MHV today (June 7, for the Northrop Grumman L1011 N140SC), and saw the three Qantas 747-400ERs (VH-OEG, VH-OEH, VH-OEI) that are parked on the Western edge of the airport. VH-OEG had her tiles painted over, signifying that the 747s will not return to the Qantas fleet.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBJdH0VBMZk/

(Mods, please allow as this is the only photo anywhere of VH-OEG's markings painted over)


Just means that that specific aircraft has been sold.


They’ve also removed the aircraft entirely from Qantas schedule. I think that that’s the final nail in the coffin for the 747 feet.


QF haven't removed the 744 entirely yet. Still showing on bookings and GDS for JNB and HND (at least) until March 2021.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:14 am

Fuling wrote:
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Just means that that specific aircraft has been sold.


They’ve also removed the aircraft entirely from Qantas schedule. I think that that’s the final nail in the coffin for the 747 feet.


QF haven't removed the 744 entirely yet. Still showing on bookings for JNB and HND (at least) until March 2021.


Originally I heard all of the remaining aircraft (the 3 at MHV plus the 2 at SYD) would be put in storage, and all would be brought back if demand comes back. That makes it look like the end of VH-OEG is the end of the 747 at Qantas in general. Obviously time will tell and I’ll humbly accept (and hope) if the 747s fly out. I really would like to see that. But at this point I feel like I just be a realist; looking at the current economic and COVID situation with the likely event of a 2nd wave, they probably won’t come back.
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:59 am

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:03 am

VH-BZF wrote:
I think you're being overly generous assuming their load factors have been that high! I've spoken to a contact of mine at Melbourne airport and she told me QR's/EK's/EY's inbound loads are routinely low, some flights as low as 30 to 40 passengers. Their outbound loads also vary significantly too apparently. These carriers understandably are subsidised but again with our borders closed, not sure how they are making much revenue, although they are also carrying big cargo loads that help offset the cost I guess.

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Lots of cargo is normally shipped on passenger aircraft in the bellyhold ... and most of those aren't flying now, but people are still buying - just online instead of in the stores (perhaps at a reduced demand, but still).

The law of supply and demand.Everyone wants cargo, but there is minimal cargo space. You want it, well you pay up big time. Some airlines are flying passenger aircraft with zero passengers and making a profit on it. Absolute minimum profit, however also keeps pilot and crew flying hours up as well as they have minimum to be kept also. This will be why you find minimal A380s flying around the world (is CZ the only one?) as the cargo space is minimal.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:18 am

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ben175 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
The Australian government is extending the Domestic Aviation Network Support till 30 September (previously only until next week) and the Regional Airline Network Support till 31 December (previous plan was to end on 30 September). Leased airports will also be able to seek partial relief from land tax charges till 31 December 2020

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/aviati ... 881570100z


Interesting - I wonder if QF will still go ahead with its plans to stop social distancing onboard from mid June now?


I doubt it as they have been given the OK from the government to sell all seats alongisde their project of flying well which supplies sanitiser, masks etc to pax.

Even with middle seats blocked out its not 1.5m social distancing.


From my understanding the subsidy is for them to fly essential routes at break even point. ie. if airline sells enough seats to make a profit they will be no subsidy. London & LA were repatriation flights that are no longer required by the Government.
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