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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 5:41 am

Queensland and South Australia will open up their state borders in July. Queensland originally said it would be September.

With the 747 gone, and if you are suggesting that there is no 787 or 380 flying for the next 12 months, this would then suggest that there will be no LAX or LHR flights for over a year from QF.....something I find a little hard to believe, as these were the base of QF's feed, and borders will open at some stage.


For LHR, maybe they could use the A330 via Dubai? I don’t know, that’s just the scuttlebutt around the traps. It may just be an indication they believe the border will be closed for another 12 months.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:19 am

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benjjk wrote:
Only a rumour, and not a particularly surprising one at that, but apparently Qantas are planning on sending at least half of their A380s to Victorville for long-term storage (2 years). The other half may be kept in a more airworthy state for when demand returns, but they’re planning on that being a slow process.


As you say, not surprising. Only rumours at this stage, but it’s being circulated that the A380 and the 787 are not included in any flying plan for the entirety of the next financial year (July to June) and the A380 may go beyond that.


With the 747 gone, and if you are suggesting that there is no 787 or 380 flying for the next 12 months, this would then suggest that there will be no LAX or LHR flights for over a year from QF.....something I find a little hard to believe, as these were the base of QF's feed, and borders will open at some stage.

I get parking the A380s until demand comes back but would be surprised if the 787s are also laid up. The 787s would be used to trickle back LAX, JNB, SCL LHR etc.and I would have expected at least some of these to return by Easter next year. Obviously the A330s are ideal in the short term given they can handle all medium-haul operations and flip over to domestic as required.

If these lay-ups are true, QF will definitely be trying to get JobKeeper extended or else they will be laying off or retrenching a huge number of crew and maintenance staff
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:21 am

Here's an interesting review of a domestic Qantas flight in the "coronavirus era".

Almost nobody wearing face masks at the airport or even on the flight, despite QF giving a kit with face mask to every passenger.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... oronavirus
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:24 am

tullamarine wrote:
If these lay-ups are true, QF will definitely be trying to get JobKeeper extended or else they will be laying off or retrenching a huge number of crew and maintenance staff


QF have already mentioned their will be redundancies due to be announced before the end fo June.

CraigAnderson wrote:
Here's an interesting review of a domestic Qantas flight in the "coronavirus era".

Almost nobody wearing face masks at the airport or even on the flight, despite QF giving a kit with face mask to every passenger.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... oronavirus
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We aren't culturally tuned in to wear masks. From what I see at the shops, supermarkets, daily walks etc no one is social distancing in their day to day life so I guess the pax don't feel they are at risk.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:01 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Here's an interesting review of a domestic Qantas flight in the "coronavirus era".

Almost nobody wearing face masks at the airport or even on the flight, despite QF giving a kit with face mask to every passenger.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... oronavirus


Wonder how long it will last? Seems the total opposite from feeling NZ domestically last week. Staff only wore gloves during food/drink service, no masks at all.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:01 am

Whatsaptudo wrote:
Queensland and South Australia will open up their state borders in July. Queensland originally said it would be September.

With the 747 gone, and if you are suggesting that there is no 787 or 380 flying for the next 12 months, this would then suggest that there will be no LAX or LHR flights for over a year from QF.....something I find a little hard to believe, as these were the base of QF's feed, and borders will open at some stage.


For LHR, maybe they could use the A330 via Dubai? I don’t know, that’s just the scuttlebutt around the traps. It may just be an indication they believe the border will be closed for another 12 months.


Are you sure they didn't mean 747 and A380? We know basically the 747 is done sadly for QF, if they do LHR in the next 12 months then surely a 789 from PER first, and if any mainland US flights do start those will be 789s initially. The A380 I wouldn't think would return until at least late 2021 or so and if it does probably 6 frames for SIN-LHR and SYD-LAX, maybe 1 before the other and less than daily initially, the other 6 A380s may or may not return at all.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:17 am

zkncj wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Here's an interesting review of a domestic Qantas flight in the "coronavirus era".

Almost nobody wearing face masks at the airport or even on the flight, despite QF giving a kit with face mask to every passenger.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... oronavirus


Wonder how long it will last? Seems the total opposite from feeling NZ domestically last week. Staff only wore gloves during food/drink service, no masks at all.


I’m curious to know how often cabin crew are being tested for CoVid. I am asking this on the basis of genuine interest. I have no doubt that most, if not all carriers, are employing the most prudent of safeguards. But you wouldn’t test people daily would you? Maybe weekly?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:24 am

Yes I've heard a rumour & its obviously all dependant on how quickly passenger loads return, but there is a belief that the initial return to flying will be with B737's and A330's with B787's returning by mid next year if not earlier and the A380's slated to return late in 2021. Be interesting to see what happens. The A330-200's could be used on several longer range routes, including Brisbane to Los Angeles, if the Australian borders are opened to the USA, however this is purely speculation, but given the A332's have operated between AKL and LAX previously, it's possible.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:18 am

Whatsaptudo wrote:
Queensland and South Australia will open up their state borders in July. Queensland originally said it would be September.

With the 747 gone, and if you are suggesting that there is no 787 or 380 flying for the next 12 months, this would then suggest that there will be no LAX or LHR flights for over a year from QF.....something I find a little hard to believe, as these were the base of QF's feed, and borders will open at some stage.


For LHR, maybe they could use the A330 via Dubai? I don’t know, that’s just the scuttlebutt around the traps. It may just be an indication they believe the border will be closed for another 12 months.


There are rumours and then there is nonsense.

So QF is going to park its most efficient plane the B787 and instead use A330's which can't fly a number of international routes and are less efficient than the 787? Don't think so...

You park your biggest planes because they are hardest to fill - Tick, 747's are being retired and Alan Joyce has stopped the refurbishment of the A380's and has said not all 12 A380's may return to the fleet.
You then park your least efficient planes because you need to minimise costs, in this case you are going to park an A330 and not a B787. This is particularly the case given the B787's are owned, so leasing costs are not a consideration.

So as to your suggestion that the A330 will fly LHR via DXB... Not going to happen...
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:20 am

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Yes I've heard a rumour & its obviously all dependant on how quickly passenger loads return, but there is a belief that the initial return to flying will be with B737's and A330's with B787's returning by mid next year if not earlier and the A380's slated to return late in 2021. Be interesting to see what happens. The A330-200's could be used on several longer range routes, including Brisbane to Los Angeles, if the Australian borders are opened to the USA, however this is purely speculation, but given the A332's have operated between AKL and LAX previously, it's possible.

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Understand it was only the 4x newer a332s that could operate AKL-LAX. These flights were also around 1hour longer than the 744/777s on the route at the time.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:28 am

VH-BZF wrote:
Yes I've heard a rumour & its obviously all dependant on how quickly passenger loads return, but there is a belief that the initial return to flying will be with B737's and A330's with B787's returning by mid next year if not earlier and the A380's slated to return late in 2021. Be interesting to see what happens. The A330-200's could be used on several longer range routes, including Brisbane to Los Angeles, if the Australian borders are opened to the USA, however this is purely speculation, but given the A332's have operated between AKL and LAX previously, it's possible.

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The initial return to flying will absolutely be 737's and A330's for Domestic, but the International flights will be 787's not A330's. Why would you fly an A330 which doesn't have the range for a number of international routes but park a perfectly capable 787?

If the "rumours" are correct, why are all the current QF International (repatriation) flights all being flown by 787's?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:40 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
VH-BZF wrote:
Yes I've heard a rumour & its obviously all dependant on how quickly passenger loads return, but there is a belief that the initial return to flying will be with B737's and A330's with B787's returning by mid next year if not earlier and the A380's slated to return late in 2021. Be interesting to see what happens. The A330-200's could be used on several longer range routes, including Brisbane to Los Angeles, if the Australian borders are opened to the USA, however this is purely speculation, but given the A332's have operated between AKL and LAX previously, it's possible.

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The initial return to flying will absolutely be 737's and A330's for Domestic, but the International flights will be 787's not A330's. Why would you fly an A330 which doesn't have the range for a number of international routes but park a perfectly capable 787?

If the "rumours" are correct, why are all the current QF International (repatriation) flights all being flown by 787's?


If the borders are closed until mid- 2021 then why would you need a 787 ? QF won't fly international flights if the government won't pay. Absent a vaccine I can't see how we open the international border any time soon. Kind of makes the pain of the last few months redundant. Nearly all likely ' bubble ' nations are all in reach of a 737 or 330.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:46 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
Whatsaptudo wrote:
Queensland and South Australia will open up their state borders in July. Queensland originally said it would be September.

With the 747 gone, and if you are suggesting that there is no 787 or 380 flying for the next 12 months, this would then suggest that there will be no LAX or LHR flights for over a year from QF.....something I find a little hard to believe, as these were the base of QF's feed, and borders will open at some stage.


For LHR, maybe they could use the A330 via Dubai? I don’t know, that’s just the scuttlebutt around the traps. It may just be an indication they believe the border will be closed for another 12 months.


There are rumours and then there is nonsense.

So QF is going to park its most efficient plane the B787 and instead use A330's which can't fly a number of international routes and are less efficient than the 787? Don't think so...

You park your biggest planes because they are hardest to fill - Tick, 747's are being retired and Alan Joyce has stopped the refurbishment of the A380's and has said not all 12 A380's may return to the fleet.
You then park your least efficient planes because you need to minimise costs, in this case you are going to park an A330 and not a B787. This is particularly the case given the B787's are owned, so leasing costs are not a consideration.

So as to your suggestion that the A330 will fly LHR via DXB... Not going to happen...


Wow. Tough room. There was a comment about the absurdity of QF leaving LHR for over a year. I responded with the suggestion that if they aren’t going to use the 787, maybe they could use the A330, do I think they will, absolutely not, I’m certain they won’t. I’ve passed on a rumour. And that rumour is, the flying plan for next financial year doesn’t include the A380 or the 787. If they do fly the 787 in “the middle of next year” that could quite possibly be the following financial year.
Why would operating a brand new financed aircraft be cheaper to operate than an older far more depreciated aircraft (with cheaper flight and cabin crew)? The fuel burn difference would be negligible between Brisbane and Perth (the longest flight in the Australian domestic network), Or even Perth to Auckland, if a travel bubble were to eventuate. Remember QF have taken loans against those 787’s to increase their finances during this crisis.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:55 am

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Why would operating a brand new financed aircraft be cheaper to operate than an older far more depreciated aircraft (with cheaper flight and cabin crew)? The fuel burn difference would be negligible between Brisbane and Perth (the longest flight in the Australian domestic network). Remember QF have taken loans against those 787’s to increase their finances during this crisis.


787's are rarely used on regular domestic services by QF (excluding the MEL-PER component of MEL-PER-DXB), so there yes A330's will indeed fly domestic routes and not 787's, no argument from me.

But there is little rationale for operating an A330 on any international routes except for AUS-Asian services. If there are any North American routes, these will be ex-SYD/MEL, in which case the A332 isn't going to do the job. And if there are any LHR flights, no chance of an A330.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:03 am

QF have already announced they have stopped all remaining international routes, namely LHR and LAX. My bet is that if International were to return in the next 12 months, it would be Singapore, Hong Kong and Auckland. But any passenger services would only be operated to ports that were inside the so called “bubble”. That would be it. No need for the 787 or the A380.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... os-angeles
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:10 am

Whatsaptudo wrote:
QF have already announced they have stopped all remaining international routes, namely LHR and LAX. My bet is that if International were to return in the next 12 months, it would be Singapore, Hong Kong and Auckland. But any passenger services would only be operated to ports that were inside the so called “bubble”. That would be it. No need for the 787 or the A380.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... os-angeles

Yup agree.

But the moment LHR/LAX come back online, it's going to be minimum a 787, there won't be any A330's flying these routes just because there is some 'plan' to park 787's for a certain period.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:23 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
Whatsaptudo wrote:
QF have already announced they have stopped all remaining international routes, namely LHR and LAX. My bet is that if International were to return in the next 12 months, it would be Singapore, Hong Kong and Auckland. But any passenger services would only be operated to ports that were inside the so called “bubble”. That would be it. No need for the 787 or the A380.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... os-angeles

Yup agree.

But the moment LHR/LAX come back online, it's going to be minimum a 787, there won't be any A330's flying these routes just because there is some 'plan' to park 787's for a certain period.


Of course I agree in the long run. But if the 787’s are put into long term preservation (pilots will run out of qualification, not just regency) and a requirement arises for QF to operate a rescue (or some other such operation) flight places further afield, the A330 could easily do it. Not direct of course. So there is every chance the rumour is true.
So by the looks of it QF won’t fly to LAX or LHR, and pretty much every long haul destination, for potentially 12 months. As absurd as that may sound.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:02 pm

Whatsaptudo wrote:
SYDSpotter wrote:
Whatsaptudo wrote:
QF have already announced they have stopped all remaining international routes, namely LHR and LAX. My bet is that if International were to return in the next 12 months, it would be Singapore, Hong Kong and Auckland. But any passenger services would only be operated to ports that were inside the so called “bubble”. That would be it. No need for the 787 or the A380.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... os-angeles

Yup agree.

But the moment LHR/LAX come back online, it's going to be minimum a 787, there won't be any A330's flying these routes just because there is some 'plan' to park 787's for a certain period.


Of course I agree in the long run. But if the 787’s are put into long term preservation (pilots will run out of qualification, not just regency) and a requirement arises for QF to operate a rescue (or some other such operation) flight places further afield, the A330 could easily do it. Not direct of course. So there is every chance the rumour is true.
So by the looks of it QF won’t fly to LAX or LHR, and pretty much every long haul destination, for potentially 12 months. As absurd as that may sound.

Also, as strangely as it might sound, but QF's recent cargo services by pax planes are exclusively operated by A333s - HKG, SIN, PVG, AKL and surprisingly SYD-NRT. You could argue that they have a whole bunch of 787s sitting around doing nothing and are just as capable if not more - but no they chose to use A333s.

The whole fleet of 10x A333s are being used extensively while literally 787s are being parked. IMO this must be for a reason.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:14 pm

An interesting little manoeuvre for Alliance Airlines ...

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 551jh.html

If it does go ahead, they state new aircraft, I wonder if this will mean something different from their current Fokker fleet ?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 2:44 pm

Whatsaptudo wrote:
So by the looks of it QF won’t fly to LAX or LHR, and pretty much every long haul destination, for potentially 12 months. As absurd as that may sound.


Given the closed borders, not really a suprise.

It looks like the re-opening of the borders will be a gradual process, with Trans-Tasman flying the looking like the first to restart later in the year, however the internal state borders have to reopen first for this to happen. Next up (early 2021) would be places like Singapore, Japan & the Pacific islands. Europe & the US might have to wait until mid 2021 or so, depending on the situation at the time. When the borders were closed, the Government said that this would most likely be for the remainder of this year at least.

Even when things start opening back up, corporate demand will most likely be soft for a while - the OH&S laws in most Australian states are quite strict, with large fines & jail terms for company directors, and even individual managers & supervisors who knowingly cause harm to an employee. So companies would be very reluctant to send staff to destinations where there might be a possibility of thier staff contracting COVID on their travels.This is why my employer has virtually banned domestic travel, with senior exec signoff required.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:28 pm

Completely agree. US has barely reduced it's infection rate. From a peak of 200k a week to about 150k today. They still have a long way to go.

While we are bumping along at just a handful of community infections, most new cases are overseas returnees.
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:43 am

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Completely agree. US has barely reduced it's infection rate. From a peak of 200k a week to about 150k today. They still have a long way to go.

While we are bumping along at just a handful of community infections, most new cases are overseas returnees.


Yes exactly and that is probably why the rumour about parking the B787's until longer range flights return in 2021. The B737's and A330's can easily cover the domestic/Tasman/Asia bubble network, QF are unlikely to use B787's on Tasman or domestic services. This will undoubtedly cause engineering headaches as it would for any carrier parking their aircraft/long term storage as there are significant man hours/cost involved in bringing back aircraft out of hibernation. Anyway we'll see what happens?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:41 am

So there is a very likely possibility of no international flying out side of say a pacific bubble in the next financial year.

So if they don't require 787's / 380's what happens to all the crew? Do they keep them on stand down accruing leave entitlements? Or make them redundant and rehire on cheaper contracts in a year or 2?
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:21 am

FL420FT wrote:
An interesting little manoeuvre for Alliance Airlines ...

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 551jh.html

If it does go ahead, they state new aircraft, I wonder if this will mean something different from their current Fokker fleet ?


I read in Friday’s The Australian that they were looking at second hand Embraer and Bombardier CRJ’s.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:47 am

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FL420FT wrote:
An interesting little manoeuvre for Alliance Airlines ...

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 551jh.html

If it does go ahead, they state new aircraft, I wonder if this will mean something different from their current Fokker fleet ?


I read in Friday’s The Australian that they were looking at second hand Embraer and Bombardier CRJ’s.


Take it they are trying to get there hands on the $200million from the QLD Government that was put on the table for VA.

$120million doesn’t go far when trying to buy 20 aircraft, that’s around $6million each.

Maybe they could make an bid for the VARA F100 fleet? Struggle to see that being worth more than $100million on the current market.

What sort of jet would you be looking at for around $6million?

An fleet on 737-300s ex WN?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:51 am

They could be planning to buy the jets using a combination of debt and capital. So, in real terms the share raising could have a subsequent debt raising associated with it.

Time will tell!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:54 am

Didn't the last bunch of Fokkers cost just $1mil each plus some shares?
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:54 am

The BITRE International for April 2020 is available.

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... y_0420.pdf

As expected numbers have fallen off a cliff. For the month 16,211 passengers arrived in Australia while another 53,265 passengers departed from Australia. Total passengers were 69,476 down 98% from 3,502,996

Freight fell 35% for the month while available seats fell nearly 95% and flights and aircraft movements were down 85%.

Qatar Airways carried the most passengers, 44.5% of all passengers followed by Air New Zealand and United Airlines at 4.8%, Qantas came in at number 9 with 2.9% share of the market.

Freight saw Singapore Airlines, Fedex and Qantas as the dominant carriers.

The top five routes were

SYD-DOH
MEL-DOH
PER-DOH
SYD-ICN
SYD-SFO

Passenger numbers for the main 4 gateways were

SYD 41,370 (59.5%)
MEL 17,802 (25.6%)
PER 7,118 (10.2%)
BNE 3,131 (4.5%)

Out of the other international gateways CNS fell 99.9% while ADL, CBR, AVV, DRW, OOL and PHE recorded no passenger activity

The average Load factor for inbound flights were 14% while outbound was at 44.5%

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:35 pm

Is there any indication to when European citizens will be allowed holiday in Australia?
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:40 pm

Asiana first service with the A359 to SYD operated on Friday

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Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:45 pm

Came across this a few days ago, route map for Ansett in 1985

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Sat Jun 13, 2020 1:57 pm

Virgin to increase domestic flying by early July. Includes operating SYD-MEL, MEL-BNE, SYD-BNE, SYD-OOL, PER-MEL, PER-SYD, PER-BNE, ADL-MEL, ADL-BNE, ADL-PER, CBR-MEL, CBR-BNE along with regional flights in WA and QLD

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Also introducing a range of Coronavirus safety measures

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Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:29 pm

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Is there any indication to when European citizens will be allowed holiday in Australia?


Mid 2021
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:01 pm

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Gael23 wrote:
Is there any indication to when European citizens will be allowed holiday in Australia?


Mid 2021

I will probably wait until 2022 then.
Where did you get that information?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:59 pm

qf789 wrote:
Virgin to increase domestic flying by early July. Includes operating SYD-MEL, MEL-BNE, SYD-BNE, SYD-OOL, PER-MEL, PER-SYD, PER-BNE, ADL-MEL, ADL-BNE, ADL-PER, CBR-MEL, CBR-BNE along with regional flights in WA and QLD

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Also introducing a range of Coronavirus safety measures

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ic-flights


Interesting that ADL-SYD isn't on the list whilst ADL-BNE is...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:40 am

A lot of talk here about QF and 787 v A330 - but what about the JQ 788s? Are there still plans for them to transition to replace the A332s, or will they just become orphans? It's hard to see JQ international flying in the near future.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:28 am

Hello all,

Long time reader and fan of the Australian threads, first time poster.

Per @FL420FT post last month regarding the 744ERs departures to Mojave, does anyone have any more info on the tentative dates (and times) for OEE/16JUN and OEJ/30JUN? I noticed OEI didn’t depart SYD until 03JUN.

Additionally, does anyone know if the good spotting areas at SYD (Shep’s Mound etc) are accessible to the general public at the moment?

Thanks.
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Tentative dates / times for the three remaining QF 744ER's to depart from Australia.

VH-OEI
Depart SYD 0930/02JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/02JUN

VH-OEE
Depart SYD 0930/16JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/16JUN

VHOEJ
Depart SYD 0930/30JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/30JUN

They will spend approx 24 hrs in LAX before flying to MHV
All have the same flight number QF6001.

Once again these are *tentative* dates / times only, obviously subject to change.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:28 am

Kent350787 wrote:
A lot of talk here about QF and 787 v A330 - but what about the JQ 788s? Are there still plans for them to transition to replace the A332s, or will they just become orphans? It's hard to see JQ international flying in the near future.


Any of JQ's International flying in the near term will be with the A320's, and maybe the A321s if there is higher than normal demand.

I would expect JQ will opening up flying the Tasman as soon as the travel between Australia and New Zealand is allowed within the next few months.

They are restarting New Zealand domestic on 1 July 2020, they have had two A320's packed up in AKL since March. Although usually the frames being used on domestic get swapped out every couple of days with aircarft on the Tasman etc.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:32 am

Makes more sense for JQ to give up long haul for the foreseeable future. It'll be a while before demand to destinations in Japan and Thailand will build up post COVID. I wonder if QF are dusting out (??) the 'original plans' for transferring the 788s to mainline for domestic & medium haul Asia (e.g some SIN flights, CGK and MNL).

The only few destinations I can see building up in the short-medium term for JQ's budget travellers apart from the NZ is the Bali "Bogan Bus" (which can be comfortably served with A321LRs) and perhaps Fiji. Japan could also be reinstated with the A321LRs via CNS once demand starts to recover in a post-COVID world.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:56 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Makes more sense for JQ to give up long haul for the foreseeable future. It'll be a while before demand to destinations in Japan and Thailand will build up post COVID. I wonder if QF are dusting out (??) the 'original plans' for transferring the 788s to mainline for domestic & medium haul Asia (e.g some SIN flights, CGK and MNL).

The only few destinations I can see building up in the short-medium term for JQ's budget travellers apart from the NZ is the Bali "Bogan Bus" (which can be comfortably served with A321LRs) and perhaps Fiji. Japan could also be reinstated with the A321LRs via CNS once demand starts to recover in a post-COVID world.


And the chances of Australia opening the gates to Bali this year, seem pretty low?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:11 am

Indonesia no chance.

I'd see some possibility of JQ being used on Japan, Singapore (outside the dorms Covid is under control) and maybe even Taiwan routes.

New destinations could well be created by whoever we decide to bubble with - people will be keen just to get away.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:17 am

JQ only flies some PER-SIN via DPS flights a few times a week prior to the lockdown. Apart from that, that's only JQ's presence in SIN.
If anything, it wouldn't surprise me if the Jetstar group is looking at transferring JQ's fifth freedom DPS-SIN leg to 3K.

Can't see JQ going from SIN to anywhere else in OZ, considering they quietly pulled the MEL-SIN 788.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:36 am

The new 13/31 runway is operational at Sunshine Coast Airport today - first flight to land was an Alliance F100 from BNE.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:43 am

Whatsaptudo wrote:
SYDSpotter wrote:
Whatsaptudo wrote:
QF have already announced they have stopped all remaining international routes, namely LHR and LAX. My bet is that if International were to return in the next 12 months, it would be Singapore, Hong Kong and Auckland. But any passenger services would only be operated to ports that were inside the so called “bubble”. That would be it. No need for the 787 or the A380.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... os-angeles

Yup agree.

But the moment LHR/LAX come back online, it's going to be minimum a 787, there won't be any A330's flying these routes just because there is some 'plan' to park 787's for a certain period.


Of course I agree in the long run. But if the 787’s are put into long term preservation (pilots will run out of qualification, not just regency) and a requirement arises for QF to operate a rescue (or some other such operation) flight places further afield, the A330 could easily do it. Not direct of course. So there is every chance the rumour is true.
So by the looks of it QF won’t fly to LAX or LHR, and pretty much every long haul destination, for potentially 12 months. As absurd as that may sound.


Pilots only need to do 3 take offs & landings every 90 days. This can be done in a simulator which Qantas has.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:33 am

qf763 wrote:
Hello all,

Long time reader and fan of the Australian threads, first time poster.

Per @FL420FT post last month regarding the 744ERs departures to Mojave, does anyone have any more info on the tentative dates (and times) for OEE/16JUN and OEJ/30JUN? I noticed OEI didn’t depart SYD until 03JUN.


I would believe that the dates that you listed by FL420FT would be accurate, it was reported a few days before the initial scheduled departure that VH-OEI would be delayed by 1 day. If you look at the retirement pattern, it is every other Tuesday they fly up to LA, and the following Wednesday they head to MHV.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:55 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
Whatsaptudo wrote:
SYDSpotter wrote:
Yup agree.

But the moment LHR/LAX come back online, it's going to be minimum a 787, there won't be any A330's flying these routes just because there is some 'plan' to park 787's for a certain period.


Of course I agree in the long run. But if the 787’s are put into long term preservation (pilots will run out of qualification, not just regency) and a requirement arises for QF to operate a rescue (or some other such operation) flight places further afield, the A330 could easily do it. Not direct of course. So there is every chance the rumour is true.
So by the looks of it QF won’t fly to LAX or LHR, and pretty much every long haul destination, for potentially 12 months. As absurd as that may sound.


Pilots only need to do 3 take offs & landings every 90 days. This can be done in a simulator which Qantas has.


It's not quite that simple, at least not in Qantas. QF has many CASA exemptions to the rules due to them having a Cyclic Training Program. For example, we only need 1 TO/LDG every 45 days, we have no night recency, ILS recency, instrument time, Glide slope inoperative recency etc........... Because we do it all every 6 or 12 months in the SIM.
So, because the pilots will not be current in the Cyclic Training Program, depending on how long they are out of the system, their Qualification can lapse. If it does, they will need to do all the cyclical SIMS they miss, instrument rating renewals and in some cases will need to fly some real sectors on the line with Check Airmen to re qualify. Its not as simple as you make out.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:44 am

Gael23 wrote:
Is there any indication to when European citizens will be allowed holiday in Australia?


I wouldn't plan on 2021 and would think 2022 is a safer bet once their is a vaccine and its been able to be produced in large enough quantities.

As for the JQ 788's... I agree with what was said earlier in that there isn't much use for them. I wouldn't be surprised to see them transferred to QF domestic.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:08 am

Gael23 wrote:
timtam wrote:
Gael23 wrote:
Is there any indication to when European citizens will be allowed holiday in Australia?


Mid 2021

I will probably wait until 2022 then.
Where did you get that information?


There is no official information yet - other than Australia and NZ are in discussion about opening their borders to each other.
We have Covid pretty much under control with the only real threat being if we open our border to visitors. Our government has said this isn't going to happen anytime soon absent a vaccine.

We're not going to risk what we've achieved. Even Australians returning have to go into 14 days mandatory quarantine. This is where nearly all our cases are coming from. They are locked in a hotel room for those 14 days, literally locked in.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:13 am

SCFlyer wrote:
JQ only flies some PER-SIN via DPS flights a few times a week prior to the lockdown. Apart from that, that's only JQ's presence in SIN.
If anything, it wouldn't surprise me if the Jetstar group is looking at transferring JQ's fifth freedom DPS-SIN leg to 3K.



Actually the PER-DPS-SIN fkight was a daily service not a few times a week and complimented the daily PER-SIN service by QF
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:30 am

Goodbye wrote:
The new 13/31 runway is operational at Sunshine Coast Airport today - first flight to land was an Alliance F100 from BNE.


About time the Sunny Coast airport had a decent length runway. I think the new runway is about 2450m. Does anyone know if they have land available to extend that if ever required/planned?

BNE-MCY would have been a bloody quick flight.
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