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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:56 pm

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Some NZ flights are (were?) load restricted on the old MCY runway, depending on weather conditions. MCY's old runway was only long enough for short haul flights on 737/A320 aircraft at full payload.

Even longer domestic flights e.g to PER/DRW were likely to face payload restrictions on the old runway year round, making them unviable.


NZ A320 AKL-MCY flights operated at full capacity westbound, but the last row was blocked from sale for the return journey- take off minimum height requirement issues.


I think at certain times it could be more than this, they also bulkloaded the aircraft. Prior to covid there was talks of 321s to MCY once the runway opened as the route doesn’t need freq- now I doubt we’ll see NZ return to MCY for several years.


If I recall correctly the local council (SCRC) partially funds the seasonal flights under contract until 2023.

A recent paywall newspaper article had the council interested in starting talks of operating Summer Seasonal flights for the 2020-2021 season depending on the 'Travel Bubble' outcomes and ongoing COVID events.

Saying that, I can't see NZ up-gauging the MCY flights regardless of the outcome, at most using the existing A320neos removes the load restrictions on the eastbound flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:50 am

Qantas is considering moving some of its Airbus A380s into long-term storage in the Californian desert ahead of a possible early retirement for the superjumbos. My question is why not send them to Alice Springs. SQ has sent some 380 aircraft for storage and it would seem a lot less expensive until the decide what to do with them.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 553de.html
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:59 am

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Qantas is considering moving some of its Airbus A380s into long-term storage in the Californian desert ahead of a possible early retirement for the superjumbos. My question is why not send them to Alice Springs. SQ has sent some 380 aircraft for storage and it would seem a lot less expensive until the decide what to do with them.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 553de.html


ASP has limited space, can only take around 25 aircraft but was looking at expanding to about 50
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:00 am

Would QF (and others) still be depreciating these aircraft, or would they have paused that and so the income statement is not as bad as it could be?
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:14 am

Bamboo Airways planning on launching BNE and MEL, 8 weekly between the 2 from SGN/HAN from 25 Oct, obviously this is subject to change

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:35 am

I’m still trying to understand why QF are running their A330-300s on cargo only runs to China and Tokyo as opposed to the 787s. I get that the -300 is preferred over the -200 because its belly has more volume. Furthermore I get that the fuel burn advantage of running a 787 on transcon cargo flights would probably be negligible over the 330 as the sector length is short. But I would’ve thought that on the longer sectors to SE Asia, the 787-9 would be more efficient. Can anyone shed more light on this? Thanks in advance.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:06 am

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I’m still trying to understand why QF are running their A330-300s on cargo only runs to China and Tokyo as opposed to the 787s. I get that the -300 is preferred over the -200 because its belly has more volume. Furthermore I get that the fuel burn advantage of running a 787 on transcon cargo flights would probably be negligible over the 330 as the sector length is short. But I would’ve thought that on the longer sectors to SE Asia, the 787-9 would be more efficient. Can anyone shed more light on this? Thanks in advance.

Do we know if QF has removed the Y seats to increase cargo volume by carrying freight in the cabin? If they have, it would explain why the A333 is preferred as it has a much bigger Y cabin compared with the 789.
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:09 am

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Would QF (and others) still be depreciating these aircraft, or would they have paused that and so the income statement is not as bad as it could be?

If anything, they may seek to accelerate depreciation or even write them down to zero. AJ did this with the 747s back in 2011. This year's results are terrible anyway so you may as well have a really bad year and then have better years in future due to reduced ongoing depreciation.

Auditors may reject an attempt to do this but waved it through in 2011.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:17 am

tullamarine wrote:
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Would QF (and others) still be depreciating these aircraft, or would they have paused that and so the income statement is not as bad as it could be?

If anything, they may seek to accelerate depreciation or even write them down to zero. AJ did this with the 747s back in 2011. This year's results are terrible anyway so you may as well have a really bad year and then have better years in future due to reduced ongoing depreciation.

Auditors may reject an attempt to do this but waved it through in 2011.


I am not an accountant, but agree they may be forced to accelerate depreciation or take an impairment hit on the fleet this FY given the new circumstances. As said above, probably better to take one big hit this year and "clean the deck", and then start the 2020/21 FY afresh.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:27 am

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tullamarine wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Would QF (and others) still be depreciating these aircraft, or would they have paused that and so the income statement is not as bad as it could be?

If anything, they may seek to accelerate depreciation or even write them down to zero. AJ did this with the 747s back in 2011. This year's results are terrible anyway so you may as well have a really bad year and then have better years in future due to reduced ongoing depreciation.

Auditors may reject an attempt to do this but waved it through in 2011.


I am not an accountant, but agree they may be forced to accelerate depreciation or take an impairment hit on the fleet this FY given the new circumstances. As said above, probably better to take one big hit this year and "clean the deck", and then start the 2020/21 FY afresh.


I think that is the answer - impairment. Any impairment testing of an airframe value that now has limited economic or commercial value, may actually result in it being written down immediately to parts/scrap value only.

May as well take all the pain in one year, and come out a better (financial result wise) airline the following year. All the plane values will have been written off, and are not going to effect future company results.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:52 am

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tullamarine wrote:
If anything, they may seek to accelerate depreciation or even write them down to zero. AJ did this with the 747s back in 2011. This year's results are terrible anyway so you may as well have a really bad year and then have better years in future due to reduced ongoing depreciation.

Auditors may reject an attempt to do this but waved it through in 2011.


I am not an accountant, but agree they may be forced to accelerate depreciation or take an impairment hit on the fleet this FY given the new circumstances. As said above, probably better to take one big hit this year and "clean the deck", and then start the 2020/21 FY afresh.


I think that is the answer - impairment. Any impairment testing of an airframe value that now has limited economic or commercial value, may actually result in it being written down immediately to parts/scrap value only.

May as well take all the pain in one year, and come out a better (financial result wise) airline the following year. All the plane values will have been written off, and are not going to effect future company results.

The only possible problem with such an approach is if the aircraft are used as security on financing. Declaring an asset has no value may mean the lender does also meaning loan covenants may be breached and extra security provided.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:54 am

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Qantas is considering moving some of its Airbus A380s into long-term storage in the Californian desert ahead of a possible early retirement for the superjumbos. My question is why not send them to Alice Springs. SQ has sent some 380 aircraft for storage and it would seem a lot less expensive until the decide what to do with them.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 553de.html


They are sending 6 (the Non reconfigured ones) to California because they will never return to QF. It doesn’t much thought to realise these birds are toast.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:01 am

tullamarine wrote:
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I am not an accountant, but agree they may be forced to accelerate depreciation or take an impairment hit on the fleet this FY given the new circumstances. As said above, probably better to take one big hit this year and "clean the deck", and then start the 2020/21 FY afresh.


I think that is the answer - impairment. Any impairment testing of an airframe value that now has limited economic or commercial value, may actually result in it being written down immediately to parts/scrap value only.

May as well take all the pain in one year, and come out a better (financial result wise) airline the following year. All the plane values will have been written off, and are not going to effect future company results.

The only possible problem with such an approach is if the aircraft are used as security on financing. Declaring an asset has no value may mean the lender does also meaning loan covenants may be breached and extra security provided.


True. It is a tightrope. Negotiations around funding facilities will result in alternative arrangements/negotiations/assets - so there would be reality with expectations. That said, breaching lending covenants is not something that will want to be done by accident due to a mere writedown.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:28 am

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Do we know if QF has removed the Y seats to increase cargo volume by carrying freight in the cabin? If they have, it would explain why the A333 is preferred as it has a much bigger Y cabin compared with the 789.


The seats remain. The aircraft regularly switch between Domestic passenger and International cargo services.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:43 am

QF's next 789 ZNL has rolled out of final assembly and is below at the fuel dock

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Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:45 am

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The only possible problem with such an approach is if the aircraft are used as security on financing. Declaring an asset has no value may mean the lender does also meaning loan covenants may be breached and extra security provided.


For real estate/property, yes there would be covenants based on asset value i.e. LVR. However I would be highly surprised if there was a LVR covenant on the loans where QF's aircraft that have been used as security. The aircraft in QF's books are recorded at "historical cost" and then depreciated over time, it is not a "market value", so putting a LVR covenant on an accounting value is meaningless. The covenants are more likely P&L based, for example, an interest cover ratio (how many times does QF's earnings cover their interest expense). With COVID-19, many companies will be actively renegotiating these covenants right now given very few sectors have not been hit hard by COVID-19.
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:50 am

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tullamarine wrote:
Do we know if QF has removed the Y seats to increase cargo volume by carrying freight in the cabin? If they have, it would explain why the A333 is preferred as it has a much bigger Y cabin compared with the 789.


The seats remain. The aircraft regularly switch between Domestic passenger and International cargo services.


The 789 hasn’t flown for a while now, and it probably won’t unless the range is needed to LHR or US, cheaper to keep 1 type busy? Maybe some 787 pilots will be kept current in case there is a need.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:23 am

tullamarine wrote:
soyuz wrote:
I’m still trying to understand why QF are running their A330-300s on cargo only runs to China and Tokyo as opposed to the 787s. I get that the -300 is preferred over the -200 because its belly has more volume. Furthermore I get that the fuel burn advantage of running a 787 on transcon cargo flights would probably be negligible over the 330 as the sector length is short. But I would’ve thought that on the longer sectors to SE Asia, the 787-9 would be more efficient. Can anyone shed more light on this? Thanks in advance.

Do we know if QF has removed the Y seats to increase cargo volume by carrying freight in the cabin? If they have, it would explain why the A333 is preferred as it has a much bigger Y cabin compared with the 789.

Also pilots cost more flying 787 than A330 by a fair margin - on short haul it might not be too noticable but on long-haul with added pilots & hours it'll become more noticable.

The newest enterprise agreement specifies a first year captain on A330 being paid $285.27 per hour while 787 captain with same experience gets paid $337.65. F/Os are $162.63 on A330 and $222.85 on 787. Although I doubt this is 100% the sole factor being played here.

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Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:03 pm

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tullamarine wrote:
soyuz wrote:
I’m still trying to understand why QF are running their A330-300s on cargo only runs to China and Tokyo as opposed to the 787s. I get that the -300 is preferred over the -200 because its belly has more volume. Furthermore I get that the fuel burn advantage of running a 787 on transcon cargo flights would probably be negligible over the 330 as the sector length is short. But I would’ve thought that on the longer sectors to SE Asia, the 787-9 would be more efficient. Can anyone shed more light on this? Thanks in advance.

Do we know if QF has removed the Y seats to increase cargo volume by carrying freight in the cabin? If they have, it would explain why the A333 is preferred as it has a much bigger Y cabin compared with the 789.

Also pilots cost more flying 787 than A330 by a fair margin - on short haul it might not be too noticable but on long-haul with added pilots & hours it'll become more noticable.

The newest enterprise agreement specifies a first year captain on A330 being paid $285.27 per hour while 787 captain with same experience gets paid $337.65. F/Os are $162.63 on A330 and $222.85 on 787. Although I doubt this is 100% the sole factor being played here.

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Probably the biggest factor in play will be the cash operating costs of the aircraft.

Its not just crew costs And fuel, its lease/finance costs, cost of paying into maintenance reserves or flight hour agreements for engine/APU maintenance.

Probably in the current climate someone has crunched the numbers and the A330 simply costs less overall to operate.

Plus as the A330s were already mostly on those sectors to SE Asia there is no need to change the set-up at the ports such as maintenance parts holding that might be there and approved engineers for turnarounds etc.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:37 pm

Qantas cancels all international flights till the end of October except for New Zealand and HND

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Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:23 am

Alliance Airlines had just announced 3x weekly MCY-CNS flights commencing 17 July.

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Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:46 am

Was on a conference-call style Town Hall session the other night with my local Federal MP Alan Tudge (Minister for population, cities & urban infrastructure), and he had the Health minister Greg Hunt with him.

A question was put to both ministers about the closure of borders & quarantine measures, Greg Hunt said that both measures would continue for the 'foreseeable future', although the possibility of travel to NZ was discussed, but no timeframe was given for this. They also discussed the trial of allowing some international students being allowed to travel here, they were talking about the trial involving universities in South Australia & Queensland initially.
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:09 am

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Was on a conference-call style Town Hall session the other night with my local Federal MP Alan Tudge (Minister for population, cities & urban infrastructure), and he had the Health minister Greg Hunt with him.

A question was put to both ministers about the closure of borders & quarantine measures, Greg Hunt said that both measures would continue for the 'foreseeable future', although the possibility of travel to NZ was discussed, but no timeframe was given for this. They also discussed the trial of allowing some international students being allowed to travel here, they were talking about the trial involving universities in South Australia & Queensland initially.

As the Tourism Minister, Simon Birmingham, said yesterday, the recommencement of international travel is unlikely this year except NZ. There may be some international students but the numbers would be low and they will be required to go through a fortnight's quarantine that they would have to self-fund. Even that won't happen until universities are first able to recommence face-to-face lectures for Australian students.
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:00 am

Well less than 3 months ago we were told by the PM that restrictions would last at least 6 months, they are already being eased. So just because it's said now that international is unlikely this year doesn't make it certain. See what happens here and overseas between now and September.



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Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:55 am

A photo from @ohwiss on Instagram shows the 4 Qantas 747-400ERs (including VH-OEE which flew up today) at MHV. Only VH-OEG is de-branded so far, so no change from June 7 when I last went.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/ohwis ... 675519394/
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:13 am

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/121869390/virgin-australia-eyeing-return-to-nz-skies-with-transtasman-fares-on-sale

VA has put the Tasman back on sale from 7 August 2020, currently all of there flights on the Tasman are suspended.

Maybe be an little hopefully that the bubble arrangement will be in place by then.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:24 am

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Well less than 3 months ago we were told by the PM that restrictions would last at least 6 months, they are already being eased. So just because it's said now that international is unlikely this year doesn't make it certain. See what happens here and overseas between now and September.



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It's kind of hard to see any widespread international travel this year. International travel insurance is currently unobtainable so no one should really consider non-essential travel until this changes. The government have been honest in admitting that overseas travel is unlikely. Some optimists look at 2020 flight deals that are being advertised but it remains a significant risk to purchase any of these unless they include a guarantee of a full refund if the flights do not happen.
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 7:37 am

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https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/121869390/virgin-australia-eyeing-return-to-nz-skies-with-transtasman-fares-on-sale

VA has put the Tasman back on sale from 7 August 2020, currently all of there flights on the Tasman are suspended.

Maybe be an little hopefully that the bubble arrangement will be in place by then.


Thats optimistic on 2 fronts. 1) That travel will be allowed between the 2 countries and 2) That they will still be in business in August.

Given they aren't refunding people at the moment for cancelled flights and you won't get insurance you'd have to be brave to book them.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:39 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Auchmithie wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Do we know if QF has removed the Y seats to increase cargo volume by carrying freight in the cabin? If they have, it would explain why the A333 is preferred as it has a much bigger Y cabin compared with the 789.


The seats remain. The aircraft regularly switch between Domestic passenger and International cargo services.


The 789 hasn’t flown for a while now, and it probably won’t unless the range is needed to LHR or US, cheaper to keep 1 type busy? Maybe some 787 pilots will be kept current in case there is a need.


The B787-9 is a premium heavy aircraft and because there will be more demand for economy class seats over business class seats initially you could understand why QF would look to utilise just the 2 aircraft types (B738 & A330) on domestic and Tasman, given the flexibility and cost savings that comes with that. Unless borders open and passenger numbers return in a big way, you could understand this decision, as difficult as it may be. Once it's possible to return to those long haul markets, the B787's will be back flying, until then, it's unlikely I would think.

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Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:49 am

South African Airways has operated another repatriation flight JNB-SYD SAA2984 seen touching down on Runway 16R this morning after an 11hr 10min flight. At present the aircraft is scheduled to depart on Saturday at 1400L.

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Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:39 am

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South African Airways has operated another repatriation flight JNB-SYD SAA2984 seen touching down on Runway 16R this morning after an 11hr 10min flight. At present the aircraft is scheduled to depart on Saturday at 1400L.
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Incredible photo angle there. Looks like an entirely different city altogether.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:30 am

Flight Centre have made redundant staff members who have been employed with them for less than 12 months as of June 30 - from the sounds of things, most of these staff members are currently on Job Keeper.

https://www.3aw.com.au/significant-job- ... cial-pain/
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:36 am

BITRE domestic figures for April 2020, record ones at that, record lows that is. BNE was the busiest domestic airport for April 2020

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... l-2020.pdf
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:38 am

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Flight Centre have made redundant staff members who have been employed with them for less than 12 months as of June 30 - from the sounds of things, most of these staff members are currently on Job Keeper.

https://www.3aw.com.au/significant-job- ... cial-pain/


That's correct, Flight Centre Travel Group staff (across all business units) who have been stood down are all currently on Job Keeper. Seems pretty rough to make people redundant three months before Job Keeper expires.
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:50 am

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That's correct, Flight Centre Travel Group staff (across all business units) who have been stood down are all currently on Job Keeper. Seems pretty rough to make people redundant three months before Job Keeper expires.


I guess they want to get all the liabilities in this financial year. That will allow them to roll over those losses to offset the lower revenue in FY20/21.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:51 am

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melpax wrote:
Flight Centre have made redundant staff members who have been employed with them for less than 12 months as of June 30 - from the sounds of things, most of these staff members are currently on Job Keeper.

https://www.3aw.com.au/significant-job- ... cial-pain/


That's correct, Flight Centre Travel Group staff (across all business units) who have been stood down are all currently on Job Keeper. Seems pretty rough to make people redundant three months before Job Keeper expires.


Yes but normally they don't have to offer redundancy pay to staff who have been employed less than 12 months (not sure on FlightCentre EBA in particular though) so if you wait until September, that's another 33%+ of staff you have to pay redundancy too.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:55 am

qf789 wrote:
BITRE domestic figures for April 2020, record ones at that, record lows that is. BNE was the busiest domestic airport for April 2020

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... l-2020.pdf


BNE-MKY being the 5th busiest domestic route and MKY being the 3rd busiest regional airport is an indication of the crazy times we are living in! If we included charter operations though, it would not surprise me if we saw BNE-MOV being one of the busiest (if not the busiest) route for the month.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:02 am

"Avation inks leasing agreements five former Virgin Australia aircraft"

Aircraft leasing firm Avation has found a taker for five former Virgin Australia aircraft, including 2 x former Virgin Australia ATR 72-500s which will go to "another commercial airline in Australia" until the end of 2021.

The other ex-Virgin aircraft are two more ATR 72-500s and its last two Fokker 100s.

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co ... 22295.html
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:07 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
"Avation inks leasing agreements five former Virgin Australia aircraft"

Aircraft leasing firm Avation has found a taker for five former Virgin Australia aircraft, including 2 x former Virgin Australia ATR 72-500s which will go to "another commercial airline in Australia" until the end of 2021.

The other ex-Virgin aircraft are two more ATR 72-500s and its last two Fokker 100s.

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co ... 22295.html


Interesting....I would guess Alliance?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:49 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
"Avation inks leasing agreements five former Virgin Australia aircraft"

Aircraft leasing firm Avation has found a taker for five former Virgin Australia aircraft, including 2 x former Virgin Australia ATR 72-500s which will go to "another commercial airline in Australia" until the end of 2021.

The other ex-Virgin aircraft are two more ATR 72-500s and its last two Fokker 100s.

https://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/co ... 22295.html


Interesting....I would guess Alliance?


Could be an bargain time for Alliance to replace there F50 fleet, if they can raise the cash to do it.

Those VA 72-500s have been sitting around for an while, there also is the last of NZ 72-500s on the market too.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:00 am

"Is Virgin Australia's invitation-only The Club set to close its doors?"

Article makes a good point that as Virgin Australia goes "mid-market" and stops chasing the very high end of the corporate and government travel market, being more 'hybrid' and 'value-oriented', The Club will be anachronism, and Bain already says The Club doesn't fit into where it sees Virgin Australia 2.0 being.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -its-doors
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:13 am

Flypelican to commence seasonal flights between CBR and BNK from July 3rd.
Probably not a bad idea. Only got to fill 19 seats. I'm sure there would be plenty of Canberrans looking to escape the cold.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:40 am

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South African Airways has operated another repatriation flight JNB-SYD SAA2984 seen touching down on Runway 16R this morning after an 11hr 10min flight. At present the aircraft is scheduled to depart on Saturday at 1400L.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CBkL9kahHa6 ... xev3xbyd4m


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Been a while since I’ve been in Sydney. What’s that tall needle like building being constructed? Where is it?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:46 am

https://www.timetableimages.com/ttimage ... 686-08.jpg
From a QF timetable Jun 1968. Note the "sleepover" in Pappeete en route to the UK. No such "sleepover" on the way back. You won't see that these days. I was enroute home from Vietnam in Jun 68 and got an offer to go to the UK via that route, but it wasn't to be (drats!!)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:59 am

redroo wrote:
EK413 wrote:
South African Airways has operated another repatriation flight JNB-SYD SAA2984 seen touching down on Runway 16R this morning after an 11hr 10min flight. At present the aircraft is scheduled to depart on Saturday at 1400L.

Image


https://www.instagram.com/p/CBkL9kahHa6 ... xev3xbyd4m


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Been a while since I’ve been in Sydney. What’s that tall needle like building being constructed? Where is it?

I think that is the new Crown Casino at Barangaroo where the old Wharf 8 cruise ship terminal used to be.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:10 am

Does anyone have any details on the storage at ASP as well as how long it will take to expand from 25-50.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:15 am

With the latest development in VIC today, i wonder if there will be a delay to the announced interstate border restrictions easing. Doesnt bode well for domestic travel
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:12 am

tullamarine wrote:
redroo wrote:
EK413 wrote:
South African Airways has operated another repatriation flight JNB-SYD SAA2984 seen touching down on Runway 16R this morning after an 11hr 10min flight. At present the aircraft is scheduled to depart on Saturday at 1400L.

Image


https://www.instagram.com/p/CBkL9kahHa6 ... xev3xbyd4m


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Been a while since I’ve been in Sydney. What’s that tall needle like building being constructed? Where is it?

I think that is the new Crown Casino at Barangaroo where the old Wharf 8 cruise ship terminal used to be.



I was wondering the same thins
Looks to be south of the city though
Perhaps around Alexandria somewhere
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:58 am

At a guess taken from one of the Tempe parks given the containers in the background.

It's the North Sydney skyline on the left (Genworth, former Optus tower) and the under construction Crown in Barangaroo on right.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:19 am

That is the angle you get from the roof of the multi-storey carpark next to T1 (or the Rydges terrace next door).
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