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Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:38 pm

igaspotter on Instagram has a video clip of the simultaneous take off. It's pretty nice.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:46 pm

Some pics from video feed here


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Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:07 pm

Does anybody know why the first part of the 3rd runway is constructed in concrete and why it's length is shorter (3000 instead of 3750m)? Is this allowance a hidden subvention to the building company?
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:42 pm

Turkish350XWB wrote:
Does anybody know why the first part of the 3rd runway is constructed in concrete and why it's length is shorter (3000 instead of 3750m)? Is this allowance a hidden subvention to the building company?

-AFAIK, it is shorter and narrower than planned, since they wanted to finish it and start operations ASAP. I am not sure if they will eventually extend it to its formerly planned length.
-Again, to my knowledge, concrete is more expensive but lasts longer, this part is done concrete to withstand heavier usage during landings.
Someone please correct me if these assumptions are wrong. Thanks.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:53 pm

small question, i am not that good with aviation and airports, i thought that IST has 4 runways already (34L, 34R, 35L, 35R) and today they opened the 5th one is that right??
 
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amrabari wrote:
small question, i am not that good with aviation and airports, i thought that IST has 4 runways already (34L, 34R, 35L, 35R) and today they opened the 5th one is that right??

Those were called as 2 runway pairs, not all 4 of them could operate at the same time. One primary and one back-up of 2 sets.
I hope this explains it. This 3rd runway opened today does not have a back up adjacent runway. If all goes planned in the future, there will be two more North/South and one additional East/West runway.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:37 pm

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What is the difference on a international TK and AJ flight service? Im planning to fly out from Amsterdam but Im not sure who to fly with yet.

my own observations (thus totally subjective...), reduced service and older aircraft on Anadolujet.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:11 pm

stylo777 wrote:
Mystic wrote:
What is the difference on a international TK and AJ flight service? Im planning to fly out from Amsterdam but Im not sure who to fly with yet.

my own observations (thus totally subjective...), reduced service and older aircraft on Anadolujet.


Thankyou.

Reserved my ticket but people talking negatively got me scared. Im afraid of getting stuck there and getting in trouble somehow. This is so nervewracking.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:03 am

TK787 wrote:
Those were called as 2 runway pairs, not all 4 of them could operate at the same time. One primary and one back-up of 2 sets.
I hope this explains it. This 3rd runway opened today does not have a back up adjacent runway. If all goes planned in the future, there will be two more North/South and one additional East/West runway.


thanks a lot for explanation TK787, may i know what's these backup runways are used for? as i saw in DXB there are only 2 runways (30L and 30R) no backup or anything else and it was the 5-6th busiest airport in the world. also, I saw Ataturk airport had only 3 runways without backup (35L, 35R and 05)..

really sorry but I really don't know what's the use of having backup runways.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:21 am

amrabari wrote:
what's these backup runways are used for?.

I am no expert, but when you are planning a 200M a year capacity airport with 6 runways, you have to plan for everything. Mostly, the back ups are for back up, like when one of them needs to be repaved they can easily use the back up runway. Or if there is an incident on the runway, you can use the back up runway. Last year a UA 757 had a hard landing at EWR and could not vacate the runway, the whole airport operation had to shut down for few hours. It might be OK in terms of EWR, you can direct aircraft to other airports in the region. But in the case of a 200M mega IST, there are no easy diverts for that many jets.
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:17 pm

I saw a picture of TC-LSN with a white sharklet. It looks strange seeing a TK A321 with white sharklets! I wonder if the TK logo has already been added since that picture is a few months old.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:21 pm

According to the ANKER report; on June10th, TK was #1 airline in Europe in terms of aircraft movements(310), followed by LH (170) and AF(139). Also IST was #1 with 317 aircraft movements on that day, followed by CDG(306), FRA(292).
To be fair though, most TK movements were domestic and single aisle, not sure about LH or AF.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:26 pm

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B747forever wrote:

Thanks for the replies. Do you have a date for when the July and August schedules will be released?


Sorry I could not update, pretty busy today. Prediction is 19th June, MIA may be added. July and August unclear for now.


And you were spot on for this one as well, MIA added to the schedule. Any info on SFO?


No word about SFO.

I have some update, BOS and ATL plan to start First week of July. Unfortunately, no JFK yet but long rumored EWR will start very soon.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:29 pm

MeCe wrote:

I have some update, BOS and ATL plan to start First week of July. Unfortunately, no JFK yet but long rumored EWR will start very soon.

Thanks for the updates MeCe :)
I don't care about JFK if we can get EWR. Same distance from the city if you live in NYC and easier to get to and lot nicer arrivals IMHO.
One question, do you know anything about the J seats on the 350s coming, or looking forward to the next batch of 787s. Thank you.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:46 pm

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EWR will start very soon.


in normal situations, why TK is going to start to EWR while it operates to JFK?? both are almost in the same place?
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:49 pm

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why TK is going to start to EWR while it operates to JFK??

Even though they are pretty close to each other, the NY metro area is big enough to support both flights. EWR not only gets NewYorkCity, but all of New Jersey and even some Philadelphia traffic for TK. Also you have to think about connecting traffic at EWR, UA's main hub, which you can not get at JFK.
And TK is not alone. AFAIK, these are some of the airlines serve both JFK and EWR at the moment: EI, CA, AI, OS, BA, LY, EK, LO, LH, LX, VS.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:55 pm

AirbusA343 wrote:
I saw a picture of TC-LSN with a white sharklet. It looks strange seeing a TK A321 with white sharklets! I wonder if the TK logo has already been added since that picture is a few months old.


My past Pegasus flight A320 TC-NBI also had a white sharklet without the logo on 1 side.
 
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Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:23 pm

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I saw a picture of TC-LSN with a white sharklet. It looks strange seeing a TK A321 with white sharklets! I wonder if the TK logo has already been added since that picture is a few months old.


I think you mean this photo: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9715596

On other pictures it has painted winglets, strange why it didn't have at that time https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9744258
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:32 am

Turkish Airlines delays Vancouver launch to September 2020
Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft operates this route 3 times weekly.

TK075 IST1405 – 1550YVR 789 247
TK076 YVR1720 – 1450+1IST 789 247

according to Routes Online https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... mber-2020/
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:55 pm

TK787 wrote:
MeCe wrote:

I have some update, BOS and ATL plan to start First week of July. Unfortunately, no JFK yet but long rumored EWR will start very soon.

Thanks for the updates MeCe :)
I don't care about JFK if we can get EWR. Same distance from the city if you live in NYC and easier to get to and lot nicer arrivals IMHO.
One question, do you know anything about the J seats on the 350s coming, or looking forward to the next batch of 787s. Thank you.


I second the question on the J seats on the new A350s! :bigthumbsup:
KL, LH, LX, BA, AF, TK, UX, TP, AZ, HV, SK, IB, WX, UA, AA, US, DL, AC, LA, KQ, MS, 4D, ZA, RJ, QR, EK, CX, HX, JL, SQ, MH, FY, MU, CA, TG, UL, FD, K6
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:12 pm

Interesting (random) fact: today's TK1883/TK1884 VIE rotation was operated by B789 instead of the originally scheduled A321. I see B789 scheduled randomly over the coming days as well.
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:56 pm

HECA wrote:
TK787 wrote:
MeCe wrote:

I have some update, BOS and ATL plan to start First week of July. Unfortunately, no JFK yet but long rumored EWR will start very soon.

Thanks for the updates MeCe :)
I don't care about JFK if we can get EWR. Same distance from the city if you live in NYC and easier to get to and lot nicer arrivals IMHO.
One question, do you know anything about the J seats on the 350s coming, or looking forward to the next batch of 787s. Thank you.


I second the question on the J seats on the new A350s! :bigthumbsup:



Make a shortcut and answer both of you :)

I am curious about this too but unfortunately could not get a clear answer. My bet is confirmed orders will be all same like current 787 aka "coffins"
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:21 pm

With the 3rd independent runway at IST, the airport joins CDG with the highest authorized hourly capacity - 120 movements in Europe.
120 is actually somewhat conservative and likely we raised once the operational experience is gained.

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Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:53 pm

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Interesting (random) fact: today's TK1883/TK1884 VIE rotation was operated by B789 instead of the originally scheduled A321. I see B789 scheduled randomly over the coming days as well.


Yeah, the 787s will also fly to DUS and FRA for example in the next days. Seems like a better option to also seat pax socially distanced.

The 787s also flew to Hamburg, making it the first scheduled 787 flights to HAM ever :D https://twitter.com/HamburgAirport/stat ... 67456?s=20
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:03 pm

I guess, the 787 rotations to Europe are not only social distance related, but also for crew training/certification purposes.
Actually, do the 77W cockpit crews also operate the 787s, I don't think so?
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:07 pm

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do the 77W cockpit crews also operate the 787s, I don't think so?

I am not sure if they go back and forth between the two types but all 787 crews came from the 77W fleet, same with 330->350.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:59 am

I was online late Monday night trying to figure out how to make revised travel plans for my in-laws, when TK flights between IAH and IST disappeared. I started to realize that TK had dropped all their IAH flights till August 1, but still seemed to have some flights through other hubs they fly to in the US. Anyway on Tuesday I found some information from the Turkish Airlines website, and they are in fact only flying to four cities in the US. They will be flying three times per week to IAD, MIA, LAX, and ORD.



https://www.turkishairlines.com/en-tr/a ... index.html


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Chicago | 3 flights per week as of June 19, 2020

Washington DC | 3 flights per week as of June 19, 2020

Los Angeles | 3 flights per week as of June 24, 2020

Miami | 3 flights per week as of June 22, 2020
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:52 am

So do they have a quarantine for foreigners in Turkey? What happens if a tourist arrives? Or do they not let them in?
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:37 am

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They will be flying three times per week to IAD, MIA, LAX, and ORD.

Yes, already reported here earlier on posts; # 36 and #46. Also reported that ATL and BOS and possibly EWR will be coming next.
Things are changing very rapidly.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:24 am

TK787 wrote:
amrabari wrote:
why TK is going to start to EWR while it operates to JFK??

Even though they are pretty close to each other, the NY metro area is big enough to support both flights. EWR not only gets NewYorkCity, but all of New Jersey and even some Philadelphia traffic for TK. Also you have to think about connecting traffic at EWR, UA's main hub, which you can not get at JFK.
And TK is not alone. AFAIK, these are some of the airlines serve both JFK and EWR at the moment: EI, CA, AI, OS, BA, LY, EK, LO, LH, LX, VS.



thanks TK787 .. i got your points specially with the connection from EWR.

anyone know when the cargo will be moved from ISL to IST??
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:29 am

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So do they have a quarantine for foreigners in Turkey? What happens if a tourist arrives? Or do they not let them in?


Im not entirely sure if this counts for everyone but I know it does for Turkish citizens like my from europe. They let us in. You can get tested in the airport if you have symptoms, otherwise you can enter the country freely.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:59 am

Blerg wrote:
What happens if a tourist arrives?

From TK website:
-All passengers are required to wear masks at the airport and during the flights.
-All passengers must complete the passenger information form when arriving to Turkey.
-All passengers will undergo a medical examination and those showing symptoms will have tests performed.
-Passengers with a positive test result will not be allowed to enter Turkey and will be deported.

Not sure about transfer pax.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:29 pm

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MeCe wrote:
EWR will start very soon.


in normal situations, why TK is going to start to EWR while it operates to JFK?? both are almost in the same place?



My guess, main reason TK not started yet EWR was they can not get desired time slot. Since many of airlines cancel flights and some of them permanently; may jump about opportunity. TK is known very smart about these kind of moves ;)
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:32 pm

MeCe, actually, TK announced that they were starting EWR long before the pandemic. But you are correct, they did not like the initial slots they were given, but eventually settled on similar hours and put out a schedule to start in May, last month.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:21 pm

Turkish Minister of Transportation said that during June 1st-15th, 1 Million pax flew in Turkey, mostly domestic.
Not for comparison, but US had a milestone this past week also. On June 11, 2020 US daily pax numbers reached 502,209 for the first time since the beginning of the pandemic.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:45 pm

It worries me that the daily infections is rising in Turkey again. Lowest daily infection was between 800 - 900 people, IIRC. Now it is around the 1400. I really hope that the daily infection rate goes down again, otherwise this will not be a good thing for Turkey, the Turkish airlines, the Turkish aviation industry and economy...
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:15 pm

OTTOMANAIR wrote:
It worries me that the daily infections is rising in Turkey again. Lowest daily infection was between 800 - 900 people, IIRC. Now it is around the 1400. I really hope that the daily infection rate goes down again, otherwise this will not be a good thing for Turkey, the Turkish airlines, the Turkish aviation industry and economy...



totally agree .. however, the world have to find a way to live with the virus until a vaccine is found .. some people are saying this situation will be until june 2021 at least .. hopefully, things become better soon..
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:01 pm

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So do they have a quarantine for foreigners in Turkey? What happens if a tourist arrives? Or do they not let them in?

From today's news; AYT airport GM Varol says,..."tourists arrive, and they go through a thermal camera check, if high fever detected the pax will be quarantined, if not you are free to enter."
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:52 pm

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY5
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY7

Finally, TK's TK5, IST-ORD and TK7, IST-IAD flights are on their way, both 787-9s. First time since March, both 3 x Weekly as of now.
ORD (TC-LLC) has 264 pax, IAD(TC-LLD) has 293 pax. Bon Voyage and hope they continue to grow.
 
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:25 pm

A german aviation news site reported over Turkish yesterday.

Regarding to Turhan Özen, the Chief Cargo Officer of TK, the pax fleet will be reduced at around 10% or more if needed and deliveries of new ones to be delayed. But while pax fleet is getting a bit smaller (and therefore the underbelly cargo capacity), the cargo fleet will grow steadily between 1 to 3 (new?) aircraft per year.
They're also still studying if a separation of Turkish Cargo would make sense economically. Let's see what will happen.

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/turkish-a ... achtflotte

Imo, this is really exiting for Turkish Cargo. Would you expect a new 777F order? Also, I expected a much bigger cut in pax fleet which doesn't seem to come at the time right now :) For comparison: QR announced that they'll reduce their fleet to 200 aircraft which makes up a cut of 17%. Thankfully Turkey has a big domestic market which surely will help not only Turkish but also Pegasus and the others in this crisis.
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:09 am

emre787 wrote:
A german aviation news site reported over Turkish yesterday.

Regarding to Turhan Özen, the Chief Cargo Officer of TK, the pax fleet will be reduced at around 10% or more if needed and deliveries of new ones to be delayed. But while pax fleet is getting a bit smaller (and therefore the underbelly cargo capacity), the cargo fleet will grow steadily between 1 to 3 (new?) aircraft per year.
They're also still studying if a separation of Turkish Cargo would make sense economically. Let's see what will happen.

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/turkish-a ... achtflotte

Imo, this is really exiting for Turkish Cargo. Would you expect a new 777F order? Also, I expected a much bigger cut in pax fleet which doesn't seem to come at the time right now :) For comparison: QR announced that they'll reduce their fleet to 200 aircraft which makes up a cut of 17%. Thankfully Turkey has a big domestic market which surely will help not only Turkish but also Pegasus and the others in this crisis.


A cut by 10% it‘s meaning 30 Planes in the pax fleet. It‘s very huge!
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:23 am

Until when is the TK timetable finalized? I see that tomorrow they are resuming BEG but with a new timetable, arrives at 13.10 and leaves at 14.10. They also seem to be selling connections from BEG to IST with JU via TIA and ARN (wtf).
From July they seem to have double daily flights like before the crisis which I think is the old schedule.
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:34 pm

TKflyer wrote:
emre787 wrote:
A german aviation news site reported over Turkish yesterday.

Regarding to Turhan Özen, the Chief Cargo Officer of TK, the pax fleet will be reduced at around 10% or more if needed and deliveries of new ones to be delayed. But while pax fleet is getting a bit smaller (and therefore the underbelly cargo capacity), the cargo fleet will grow steadily between 1 to 3 (new?) aircraft per year.
They're also still studying if a separation of Turkish Cargo would make sense economically. Let's see what will happen.

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/turkish-a ... achtflotte

Imo, this is really exiting for Turkish Cargo. Would you expect a new 777F order? Also, I expected a much bigger cut in pax fleet which doesn't seem to come at the time right now :) For comparison: QR announced that they'll reduce their fleet to 200 aircraft which makes up a cut of 17%. Thankfully Turkey has a big domestic market which surely will help not only Turkish but also Pegasus and the others in this crisis.


A cut by 10% it‘s meaning 30 Planes in the pax fleet. It‘s very huge!


Of course it is... But if we think about the fact that e. g. the older A320/321s and A332s with the very old C and Y or seats will go, it will be eventually better for the pax. Tbh I expected more than a 10% cut with the news like LH not using 300 planes and at least 100 for the next few years, so TKs decision until now has a much smaller impact on the company imo.

Also, we don't know if like AnadoluJet is included or not, so let's wait until we see TK announcing/doing something. Ilker Ayci said in an interview that AnadoluJet will also be seperated as another company so maybe the (mainline) fleet reduction will include the transfer of the 737s from TK to AJ too
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:51 pm

Updated flight schedule from TK; like, IST-JFK starting July1st, 5 x weekly:
https://www.turkishairlines.com/en-us/a ... ight-plan/
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:55 pm

For those asking why a shorter runway, I ask why not? Going from memory, only about 25% of flights from the airport might need the longer runways. So if there are 8 runways built with no more long runways, then I will wonder why. Otherwise, good cost savings.

Looking at the master plan, the 3rd runway was always short in phase 1:
http://www.experiencetheskies.com/istan ... n-in-2018/

Looking at that 6 runway master plan, only one very long runway was planned.

Is phase 2, the crosswind runway, proceeding? It looks like the longer time frame for completion of phase 1 was required.

LAXintl wrote:
With the 3rd independent runway at IST, the airport joins CDG with the highest authorized hourly capacity - 120 movements in Europe.
120 is actually somewhat conservative and likely we raised once the operational experience is gained.

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According to this link, the new IST has the highest number of allowed takeoff/landings (operations) per hour:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... unway/amp/
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:30 pm

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For those asking why a shorter runway, I ask why not? /


Because the tender was for the long runway and all companies bid for that price. Going to a shorter runway is an illegal financial advantage for the companies that won the tender. And: the runway is 45m wide instead of 60m. I cannot tell if taxiways were "adjusted" as well.
 
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Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:02 pm

The 3rd runway was always planned to be shorther.

Also 45m width is the global (ICAO) standard for large commercial jet operations. 60m only recommended for category F aircraft(A380), but even they can still operate from 45m without issues.
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Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:31 am

LAXintl wrote:
The 3rd runway was always planned to be shorther.

Also 45m width is the global (ICAO) standard for large commercial jet operations. 60m only recommended for category F aircraft(A380), but even they can still operate from 45m without issues.


It is publicly known that there will be 5(five) south/north direction runways at IST, eventually, all capable of completely independent operations. This is according to the BOTs Agreement and master plan. The tender was based on these criteria.

The first two of these are 16/34 (3.750x60) & 17/35 (4.100x60) runways which also boast an identical length emergency runways each 45 mt. wide, and 210 mt. apart from the main (60 mt. wide) rwys. Taxiways are not counted here. The third runway (one recently made operational) is the 18/36 originally planned as 3.750 mt. and without any emergency runway. It's width has been debated recently. Some insist saying that it was planned as a 60 mt. wide rwy but personally I very much doubt that. I strongly think that it was already projected as a 45 mt. one.The BOTs agreement's details are are not disclosed to public knowledge (kept as a closely guarded secret!!!), so there's no way for us to know the truth.

This runway could not be completed as a 3.750 mt. one but has been presently built as 3.060x45 mt. The reason given for the shortage (by IGA, the BOTs Consortium) is that the excavation and earth flattening process needed for that last 700 mt. will take too long (like a year's time) but that runway was urgently needed for operations. Of course, this was the situation before Covid-19 pandemic era.

Now, as the original project envisages a 3.750 mt. rwy:
a) Either IGA & DHMI (=State Airports Directorate, as the Project Owner) have reached an agreement that this rwy will be finished as 3.060 mt. and have amended the Original Agreement (but this has not been publicly announced),
b) DHMI will (or already has) made a temporary acceptance for this rwy and that it will be completed to 3.750 mt. at some undisclosed future. (There are some unofficial murmors on this, from IGA)

We will come to know about this, maybe only years ahead!

What the fact is: the 18/36 rwy is declared operational for the very moment but only daytime departures are allowed and no landings because its ILS are still not been made operational.

In my gutfeel, the two remaining south/north rwys (a long time in the future not less than 5-8 years...) will be constructed as 3.750x45 mt. and without and any emergency rwys.

A final note about 60 mt. wide rwys: Some claim a 60 mt. wide rwy is safer than a 45 mt. in order to avoid/minimise runway excursions when landing at heavy crosswinds. Well, this is a valid reason but not the full one. The foremost reason is that's "well being"! of the F-Category civil aircraft, particularly the a380.

a380's wingspan is almost 80 mt. and even if the pilot manages to land at exactly the center line, the wings actually protrude over the width of the 45 mt. rwy. That's ok, as long as there will be no obstacles to collide the wings at the sideways but there's another sinister threat: that's the presence of FODs on the unpaved ground on the two sideways. It is possible that No. 1 & 4 engines can suck in any possible FODs that may incur serious damages to the engines with very expensive and time taking repairs. That's why a 60 mt. wide runway is much preferable for a380 operations.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:21 am

mafaky wrote:
a380's wingspan is almost 80 mt. and even if the pilot manages to land at exactly the center line, the wings actually protrude over the width of the 45 mt. rwy. That's ok, as long as there will be no obstacles to collide the wings at the sideways but there's another sinister threat: that's the presence of FODs on the unpaved ground on the two sideways. It is possible that No. 1 & 4 engines can suck in any possible FODs that may incur serious damages to the engines with very expensive and time taking repairs. That's why a 60 mt. wide runway is much preferable for a380 operations.


Thank you for your comment, mafaky. Finally someone who explained it :) Nevertheless the most complaning people (non-avgeeks) won't understand it, but still better than nothing...

And honestly I don't think we'll see any A380 coming to IST anytime in the future, not even the proposed China Southern on PKX-IST. So imo this already is irrelevant and if an A380 should come, there are still the 60m ones ;)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:44 pm

Perhaps not in near future but I think we will see EK A380 at IST.
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