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Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:29 am

At 8:05PM C-FNAN operating AC621 arrived at gate in YYZ marking the end of E190 service at Air Canada. A few minutes before C-FMZD also completed its last service flight operating AC1130. There are no news links or anything yet as this is so recent and sudden.

Think it’s sad when any type retires from service but this is especially sad in that this one couldn’t go with the usual fanfare and cabin full of enthusiasts looking to enjoy one last flight due to the current environment. It will eventually be replaced by the A220 and whatever else will end up filling the capacity, which, unfortunately for Embraer, is seeming to become a common thing.

My last experience on the type at Air Canada was 5 years ago on a YYC-YYZ run which is getting up there in length for one of those. It was a bitter flight at the time considering it was instead of a 767 that day, but had I known it would be the last time for me I might have actually enjoyed it. I am sad we never got to see one get repainted and though we still have the E175, I always had a preference for its bigger brother. So long 190!
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:13 am

Yeah, it would've been nice to have a send-off flight for the E90. According to my logs, my last flight on the type was on August 2016 from YUL to YHZ. I did like it from a passenger standpoint but hard to deny the economics of newer aircraft. It used to be a common sight on the western triangle routes until the Airbus came back.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:29 am

Seems like many airlines have ditched the E90, why is that? Are its economics more or less the same as E95 while the seat count is slightly bigger?

I wonder if these will find a home.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:41 am

Blerg wrote:
Seems like many airlines have ditched the E90, why is that? Are its economics more or less the same as E95 while the seat count is slightly bigger?

I wonder if these will find a home.


I think it would have worked out better for the E190 if it was able to accomplish the mission it was built for. Unfortunately it’s just a large regional jet with mainline costs.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:47 am

Blerg wrote:
Seems like many airlines have ditched the E90, why is that? Are its economics more or less the same as E95 while the seat count is slightly bigger?

I wonder if these will find a home.


What airlines have ditched the E190?
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:55 am

VSMUT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Seems like many airlines have ditched the E90, why is that? Are its economics more or less the same as E95 while the seat count is slightly bigger?

I wonder if these will find a home.


What airlines have ditched the E190?


From the top of my head American Airlines has retired its entire fleet of E90.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:04 am

Blerg wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Seems like many airlines have ditched the E90, why is that? Are its economics more or less the same as E95 while the seat count is slightly bigger?

I wonder if these will find a home.


What airlines have ditched the E190?


From the top of my head American Airlines has retired its entire fleet of E90.


So only two airlines?
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:08 am

VSMUT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

What airlines have ditched the E190?


From the top of my head American Airlines has retired its entire fleet of E90.


So only two airlines?


There is also B6 (largest E90 operator) which is going to replace their 60 E90s with A220s. When you add their numbers to the ones of Air Canada and American Airlines you can see that a large number of E90s have been removed from service.

By the way, Lufthansa CityLine and Montenegro Airlines have also retired the model from their fleet. So it's more than just two airlines.

You know, you are always more than welcome to prove me wrong with some facts or numbers because the ones I have are not encouraging. :)
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:33 am

I had no idea the 190s would be leaving the AC fleet so quickly. Seems like only a few years ago when they received the first one.

Blerg wrote:
By the way, Lufthansa CityLine and Montenegro Airlines have also retired the model from their fleet. So it's more than just two airlines.


LH Cityline has not retired the 190 - after all, it’s the only model in their fleet capable of flying into LCY. The 195s, on the other hand, have all been transferred to Air Dolomiti and Austrian.

Montenegro Airlines only ever had one 190 and indeed ditched it in favour of the 195s.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:40 am

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There is also B6 (largest E90 operator) which is going to replace their 60 E90s with A220s. When you add their numbers to the ones of Air Canada and American Airlines you can see that a large number of E90s have been removed from service.

By the way, Lufthansa CityLine and Montenegro Airlines have also retired the model from their fleet. So it's more than just two airlines.


Lufthansa Cityline still has them. They are to be transferred Air Dolomiti, which is just a cheaper Lufthansa owned regional operator. They aren't going anywhere.

Montenegro Airlines had a whopping fleet of 1.

The JetBlue E-190s will be 20 years old by the time the first A220 arrives. Seems pretty reasonable to retire high-cycle aircraft at that age, don't you think? Come to think of it, the American Airlines E-190s weren't spring chickens either, and they always had the US-specific scope restrictions that made them less valuable.

You can add Azul to an airline that is planning to phase out all E-190s and E-195s, but LOT picked up most of those already.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:51 am

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You can add Azul to an airline that is planning to phase out all E-190s and E-195s, but LOT picked up most of those already.

Breeze will be getting whatever 195s are left as well.
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:44 am

Not mentioned so far are Virgin Australia, COPA and Avianca Central America (ex TACA) and Royal Jordanian who used to have Emb 190s but decided within a few years that they rather have more 737s or A320s instead.
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:55 am

Sad to hear about that they're gone now. I only had the opportunity to fly them twice: SEA-YYZ and YYZ-SEA, both in 2013. Those solo seats in J sure were nice, especially on a transcon like SEA-YYZ!
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:14 am

VSMUT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
There is also B6 (largest E90 operator) which is going to replace their 60 E90s with A220s. When you add their numbers to the ones of Air Canada and American Airlines you can see that a large number of E90s have been removed from service.

By the way, Lufthansa CityLine and Montenegro Airlines have also retired the model from their fleet. So it's more than just two airlines.


Lufthansa Cityline still has them. They are to be transferred Air Dolomiti, which is just a cheaper Lufthansa owned regional operator. They aren't going anywhere.

Montenegro Airlines had a whopping fleet of 1.

The JetBlue E-190s will be 20 years old by the time the first A220 arrives. Seems pretty reasonable to retire high-cycle aircraft at that age, don't you think? Come to think of it, the American Airlines E-190s weren't spring chickens either, and they always had the US-specific scope restrictions that made them less valuable.

You can add Azul to an airline that is planning to phase out all E-190s and E-195s, but LOT picked up most of those already.


Spring chicken or not they are not being replaced by newer models of the same plane. Matter of fact is that the E90 is leaving in bigger numbers than it is joining various fleets. As for Lufthansa CityLine, regardless or Dolomiti they are not keeping them for a reason and they are looking to move them to a lower cost operator for a good reason I suppose.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:18 am

Blerg wrote:
Seems like many airlines have ditched the E90, why is that? Are its economics more or less the same as E95 while the seat count is slightly bigger?

I wonder if these will find a home.


My understanding is the maintenance costs associated with their engines are very steep.
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:22 am

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Spring chicken or not they are not being replaced by newer models of the same plane. Matter of fact is that the E90 is leaving in bigger numbers than it is joining various fleets.


? Old aircraft get phased out and replaced, they always have. Do you really expect outdated types to be competitive against the newer E2 and A220?



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As for Lufthansa CityLine, regardless or Dolomiti they are not keeping them for a reason and they are looking to move them to a lower cost operator for a good reason I suppose.


They moved A32Xs, A330s and A340s also. It says absolutely nothing about the quality of the aircraft.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:38 pm

“The JetBlue E-190s will be 20 years old by the time the first A220 arrives. Seems pretty reasonable to retire high-cycle aircraft at that age, don't you think?”

I believe the first E190 delivery for B6 was in the fall of 2005. First 220 is December 2020. So about 15 years for the oldest, not 20.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 1:43 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Blerg wrote:
There is also B6 (largest E90 operator) which is going to replace their 60 E90s with A220s. When you add their numbers to the ones of Air Canada and American Airlines you can see that a large number of E90s have been removed from service.

By the way, Lufthansa CityLine and Montenegro Airlines have also retired the model from their fleet. So it's more than just two airlines.


Lufthansa Cityline still has them. They are to be transferred Air Dolomiti, which is just a cheaper Lufthansa owned regional operator. They aren't going anywhere.

Montenegro Airlines had a whopping fleet of 1.

The JetBlue E-190s will be 20 years old by the time the first A220 arrives. Seems pretty reasonable to retire high-cycle aircraft at that age, don't you think? Come to think of it, the American Airlines E-190s weren't spring chickens either, and they always had the US-specific scope restrictions that made them less valuable.

You can add Azul to an airline that is planning to phase out all E-190s and E-195s, but LOT picked up most of those already.


Azul is replacing their E-Jets with E195-E2. Seems a natural move to me, just like JetBlue movement. They are retiring high-cycle aircraft and replacing them with new and more efficient aircraft. In this case is a very good business for Embraer as AD isn’t changing to Airbus for the regional fleet like JetBlue. This movement is the first but will not be the last. KLM Cityhopper expects to replace their E190 fleet with E2, BA Cityflyer and TAP are expected to order A220 or E2 to replace their whole E-Jet fleet. The E190 is becoming old and will be replaced by E2 and A220, now more sooner than later, just like the Fokker 100 and the Avros became old and was replaced by Embraers and Bombardiers. With the Covid crisis it’s happening just a bit earlier than planned.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:56 pm

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The E190 is becoming old and will be replaced by E2 and A220, now more sooner than later, just like the Fokker 100 and the Avros became old and was replaced by Embraers and Bombardiers. With the Covid crisis it’s happening just a bit earlier than planned.


With comparisons to Avros and Fokkers, you're acknowledging that E90s are inefficient junk. What were the carriers and leasing companies that assumed a residual value of $0 at 15 years when they bought E90s? Some E90 retirements (AA's certainly) were announced before COVID; you can't blame that for the economics.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:02 pm

Actually with COVID, the E190 should normally be the right sized aircraft to fill many pre-covid 737/A320 etc routes.

Still, the E190 gets retired on a somewhat accelarated pace.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:26 pm

VSMUT wrote:
The JetBlue E-190s will be 20 years old by the time the first A220 arrives. Seems pretty reasonable to retire high-cycle aircraft at that age, don't you think?


Jetblue will receive it's first A220 in December

The oldest E190 will turn 16 in August.
The youngest will turn 7 in October

Forgetting of course they also cancelled 24 more in 2018.

Some will hit maybe 17 by the time they leave.

Not 20.

And no, they are not closing in on high cycles... so no it's not reasonable from an age standpoint. AC and B6 had problems with the E190 that go beyond age, and both cut them early. Air Canada originally was going to replace them in 2025-2030 timeframe, they cut them 5 years early... it speaks volumes that the 2 biggest E190 customers are dropping them early.
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 3:45 pm

The E190 is victim to how poorly it’s engines perform. It has been said that it has about the same operating cost as an A319 while carrying. I even saw claimed once that the fuel burn is comparable to a 737-8! It’s sad that it had do die off so quickly even if it was a type I wasn’t very fond of at the time.
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Actually with COVID, the E190 should normally be the right sized aircraft to fill many pre-covid 737/A320 etc routes.

Still, the E190 gets retired on a somewhat accelarated pace.

If the airlines are spacing seats then 2-2 cabins are practically useless considering traffic is increasing again. The E190 showed that it wasn’t much cheaper to run than the A320 and 737 so it still makes sense to retire it.
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:00 pm

Flew on the 190 for the first and last time this past January from YOW-YYZ, not a huge difference sitting in the back of that and the back of an A320, the only annoying thing was I had to gate check my carry-on because the flight was full but that is a common issue regardless of aircraft these days. Not surprising they are gone so quickly. If I remember correctly 25 left the fleet years ago as a part of the MAX deal with Boeing. Hope to catch a flight on the A220 once traveling starts up again. That trip actually ended up being my first and last flight on a 767 as well.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 4:39 pm

Comfortable upstairs, but a PITA downstairs. Won't be any rampers sad to see these birds go.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:07 pm

I suspect the main reason they were retired is the same reason customers loved them. They had a big jet feel as a smaller a/c, but unfortunately came with some of the same costs as the bigger birds. As someone who has spent the past 15 years doing work to/from Canada's secondary markets (YOW/YEG/YYT etc), I have spent hundreds of hours on those birds and found them to be my strong preference in Y to other options. The early dispatch reliability was a pain, but otherwise they were great for the customer experience in Y, particularly before AC cut the staffing levels to eliminate one of the FAs. Being in the front of economy most of the time it didn't bug me, but sitting in the last rows waiting for that cart with a single FA not great! I believe my last flight was YYZ-YOW on March 13/20.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:19 pm

767333ER wrote:
At 8:05PM C-FNAN operating AC621 arrived at gate in YYZ marking the end of E190 service at Air Canada. A few minutes before C-FMZD also completed its last service flight operating AC1130. There are no news links or anything yet as this is so recent and sudden.

Think it’s sad when any type retires from service but this is especially sad in that this one couldn’t go with the usual fanfare and cabin full of enthusiasts looking to enjoy one last flight due to the current environment. It will eventually be replaced by the A220 and whatever else will end up filling the capacity, which, unfortunately for Embraer, is seeming to become a common thing.

My last experience on the type at Air Canada was 5 years ago on a YYC-YYZ run which is getting up there in length for one of those. It was a bitter flight at the time considering it was instead of a 767 that day, but had I known it would be the last time for me I might have actually enjoyed it. I am sad we never got to see one get repainted and though we still have the E175, I always had a preference for its bigger brother. So long 190!


AC (including the regionals) hasn't gone the retirement sendoff with a big bang route much. As I recall, they didn't do much of anything even when the mighty DC-9s retired. The DC-9 that was donated was done with much fanfare, but that was over a year after the type's fleet retirement.

I actually happened by chance to be at YHZ at their observation deck to, at the time unknowingly, witness the last ever arrival of a Jazz 146. I think it came in from YOW and somewhere I have a grainy photo of it pulling into the gate...it's gotta be the world's only photo of the retirement arrival as I was the only one there on a dreary February day in Halifax. They type had been 'retired' unofficially a few weeks prior, but AC kept a pair active for a few extra weeks as operational spares. They actually did the same when the DC-9 went...hence why it went with little to no fanfare.

What's the last type retired that AC gave any sort of a sendoff? The 747? I wonder if they'll do anything for the 767 that is now on borrowed time with AC?

They certainly didn't do anything with the A340, L-1011, ex-CP 732s or even the DC-8 freighters, nor can I recall anything for the 727s. I guess the DH1 doesn't count with the DH3s sticking around for at least another 15 years.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:46 pm

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767333ER wrote:
At 8:05PM C-FNAN operating AC621 arrived at gate in YYZ marking the end of E190 service at Air Canada. A few minutes before C-FMZD also completed its last service flight operating AC1130. There are no news links or anything yet as this is so recent and sudden.

Think it’s sad when any type retires from service but this is especially sad in that this one couldn’t go with the usual fanfare and cabin full of enthusiasts looking to enjoy one last flight due to the current environment. It will eventually be replaced by the A220 and whatever else will end up filling the capacity, which, unfortunately for Embraer, is seeming to become a common thing.

My last experience on the type at Air Canada was 5 years ago on a YYC-YYZ run which is getting up there in length for one of those. It was a bitter flight at the time considering it was instead of a 767 that day, but had I known it would be the last time for me I might have actually enjoyed it. I am sad we never got to see one get repainted and though we still have the E175, I always had a preference for its bigger brother. So long 190!


AC (including the regionals) hasn't gone the retirement sendoff with a big bang route much. As I recall, they didn't do much of anything even when the mighty DC-9s retired. The DC-9 that was donated was done with much fanfare, but that was over a year after the type's fleet retirement.

I actually happened by chance to be at YHZ at their observation deck to, at the time unknowingly, witness the last ever arrival of a Jazz 146. I think it came in from YOW and somewhere I have a grainy photo of it pulling into the gate...it's gotta be the world's only photo of the retirement arrival as I was the only one there on a dreary February day in Halifax. They type had been 'retired' unofficially a few weeks prior, but AC kept a pair active for a few extra weeks as operational spares. They actually did the same when the DC-9 went...hence why it went with little to no fanfare.

What's the last type retired that AC gave any sort of a sendoff? The 747? I wonder if they'll do anything for the 767 that is now on borrowed time with AC?

They certainly didn't do anything with the A340, L-1011, ex-CP 732s or even the DC-8 freighters, nor can I recall anything for the 727s. I guess the DH1 doesn't count with the DH3s sticking around for at least another 15 years.



As i recall they did a little celebration on the 762 retirement... but even on the 744 it felt very understated compared to say AA's Super 80 or KLM's Fokker or 747 sendoff.
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:13 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
767333ER wrote:
At 8:05PM C-FNAN operating AC621 arrived at gate in YYZ marking the end of E190 service at Air Canada. A few minutes before C-FMZD also completed its last service flight operating AC1130. There are no news links or anything yet as this is so recent and sudden.

Think it’s sad when any type retires from service but this is especially sad in that this one couldn’t go with the usual fanfare and cabin full of enthusiasts looking to enjoy one last flight due to the current environment. It will eventually be replaced by the A220 and whatever else will end up filling the capacity, which, unfortunately for Embraer, is seeming to become a common thing.

My last experience on the type at Air Canada was 5 years ago on a YYC-YYZ run which is getting up there in length for one of those. It was a bitter flight at the time considering it was instead of a 767 that day, but had I known it would be the last time for me I might have actually enjoyed it. I am sad we never got to see one get repainted and though we still have the E175, I always had a preference for its bigger brother. So long 190!


AC (including the regionals) hasn't gone the retirement sendoff with a big bang route much. As I recall, they didn't do much of anything even when the mighty DC-9s retired. The DC-9 that was donated was done with much fanfare, but that was over a year after the type's fleet retirement.

I actually happened by chance to be at YHZ at their observation deck to, at the time unknowingly, witness the last ever arrival of a Jazz 146. I think it came in from YOW and somewhere I have a grainy photo of it pulling into the gate...it's gotta be the world's only photo of the retirement arrival as I was the only one there on a dreary February day in Halifax. They type had been 'retired' unofficially a few weeks prior, but AC kept a pair active for a few extra weeks as operational spares. They actually did the same when the DC-9 went...hence why it went with little to no fanfare.

What's the last type retired that AC gave any sort of a sendoff? The 747? I wonder if they'll do anything for the 767 that is now on borrowed time with AC?

They certainly didn't do anything with the A340, L-1011, ex-CP 732s or even the DC-8 freighters, nor can I recall anything for the 727s. I guess the DH1 doesn't count with the DH3s sticking around for at least another 15 years.



As i recall they did a little celebration on the 762 retirement... but even on the 744 it felt very understated compared to say AA's Super 80 or KLM's Fokker or 747 sendoff.


True. I think the Gimli glider played a big role in that.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:24 pm

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Comfortable upstairs, but a PITA downstairs. Won't be any rampers sad to see these birds go.


I certainly won’t miss it. I remember my days loading AC585 JFK-YYC. Plenty of bags and skies and the most abrasive carpet you’ll ever come across.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:36 pm

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The E190 is victim to how poorly it’s engines perform. It has been said that it has about the same operating cost as an A319 while carrying. I even saw claimed once that the fuel burn is comparable to a 737-8! It’s sad that it had do die off so quickly even if it was a type I wasn’t very fond of at the time.
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Actually with COVID, the E190 should normally be the right sized aircraft to fill many pre-covid 737/A320 etc routes.

Still, the E190 gets retired on a somewhat accelarated pace.

If the airlines are spacing seats then 2-2 cabins are practically useless considering traffic is increasing again. The E190 showed that it wasn’t much cheaper to run than the A320 and 737 so it still makes sense to retire it.

I was working at Pratt and we were shocked the CF34-10 was selected as it was an out of date concept. Due to low numbers, the fleet has so-so economy of scale and poor engine economy in maintenance and fuel burn.

There are only 662 E190/95 flying and that is the only CF-34-10 airframe.

https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-e190.htm

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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:49 pm

I love the E-170/90 series but It has it’s issues. Honeywell avionics issues, CFM engine issues, lets not forget Embraer has some of the most expensive maintenance parts on the planet.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:35 pm

I only flew on the AC E190 a few times with the last being a YYC-YVR run in about 2013 or 14.

Have there been any routes that have been retired with the E190? Has there been any one aircraft that has taken over from them. When flying into YXE, very often I'd see an AC E190 on a YXE-YYZ routing and it looks like those flights are currently CR9's. I do realize the current virus situation is wreaking havoc with short term fleet planning so time may tell what gets sent where.
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:16 pm

YYZ-YMM was an E190 route. Is that going to resume on a Sky Regional E175, or go up to a BCS3? (The likely alternate is YEG.) YYZ-YMM is 1440 nmi and YMM-YEG is another 225 nmi.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Tue Jun 02, 2020 7:15 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
YYZ-YMM was an E190 route. Is that going to resume on a Sky Regional E175, or go up to a BCS3? (The likely alternate is YEG.) YYZ-YMM is 1440 nmi and YMM-YEG is another 225 nmi.


I think that route was being operated by one of the Buses, if operated at all. It’s not showing in the schedule for the time being.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:36 am

Whiteguy wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
YYZ-YMM was an E190 route. Is that going to resume on a Sky Regional E175, or go up to a BCS3? (The likely alternate is YEG.) YYZ-YMM is 1440 nmi and YMM-YEG is another 225 nmi.


I think that route was being operated by one of the Buses, if operated at all. It’s not showing in the schedule for the time being.


It’ll be a while before AC brings back YEG-YMM, let alone YYZ-YMM.
 
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:04 pm

The E190 is the only Mainline jetliner type I've never flown on at AC. OK, I have not flown the DC-8 on AC but I did on CP (63 and short-body, can't remember of 40 or 50 series), but since CP was eventually swallowed by AC, I say it counts. I even flew the CRJ during its brief career with AC Mainline. My all-time favourites: DC-9 for narrow-body, 767 for wide-body.

My first AC flight was on the Viscount, so I guess that dates me.

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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:08 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
Not mentioned so far are Virgin Australia, COPA and Avianca Central America (ex TACA) and Royal Jordanian who used to have Emb 190s but decided within a few years that they rather have more 737s or A320s instead.


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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:55 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
YYZ-YMM was an E190 route. Is that going to resume on a Sky Regional E175, or go up to a BCS3? (The likely alternate is YEG.) YYZ-YMM is 1440 nmi and YMM-YEG is another 225 nmi.


I think that route was being operated by one of the Buses, if operated at all. It’s not showing in the schedule for the time being.


It’ll be a while before AC brings back YEG-YMM, let alone YYZ-YMM.


YEG-YMM ? I can't see AC just leaving that busy route to their biggest competitor.
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Re: Air Canada Embraer 190 Retired

Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:14 pm

Bingo1 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:

I think that route was being operated by one of the Buses, if operated at all. It’s not showing in the schedule for the time being.


It’ll be a while before AC brings back YEG-YMM, let alone YYZ-YMM.


YEG-YMM ? I can't see AC just leaving that busy route to their biggest competitor.


What I mean by that is it will be until at least August before AC unsuspends/brings YEG-YMM back. They haven’t flown it in over 2 months.

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