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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:02 pm

No it’s not a threat but our gutless politicians on both sides of the pond will bow down to media ginned up hysteria in a nano second. The Governor of Florida is being pressured to lockdown the state again, where flights have recovered. I don’t bear employees of the airline industry ill but our politicians are no longer leaders. They will destroy the industry and countless lives all to fear monger for votes.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:29 pm

AMS Traffic and transport figures for May 2020

Source: https://news.schiphol.com/traffic-and-t ... -may-2020/
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:30 pm

KFTG wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
The coronavirus is not an elected official but it gets to decide what happens !

Your juvenile sentiments aside, I thought a mask was all I needed?
It is quite stunning that there are so many people on this forum apparently advocating for the complete decimation of the air transport industry.
By continuing to peddle these ridiculous media-influenced sound bites, that is exactly what you are doing.
It's a huge zero-sum game of "gotchas" for many. We don't use our brains anymore, we send memes.
For me, and many, many others...it is quite literally a matter of our livelihoods.
Everyone has "their set of facts" that are apparently impervious to reason or consideration to the contrary unless "virtue-signals" by the politicians one subscribes to.
And to think this is the country that landed on the moon.
Sad.


This is a public forum. People are allowed to have their own opinions about the severity of COVID. Nothing people say here will affect the decision makers that decide on the jobs available.

Now, you may decide that's fine since mortality rate will probably end up being just a couple of times more deadly than a bad flu, but there is no question this virus will cause several times more death in America than your typical flu season through combination of higher infection/mortality rate. It has been especially deadly and hospitals got overrun at where i live in NJ/NJ area.

Not everyone has the same risk tolerance of a virus. Air travel was shutdown because people were afraid of going out, not just because of gov't shutdown. And now demand is picking back up because people are less afraid of it and are sick of staying at home, not because gov't is opening up. At some point if cases really pick up in places like Phoenix, Houston and Miami, air demand will naturally drop. And nothing people on this forum says will really matter. So please just take it easy.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:12 pm

I think many countries political and public health officials will be very reluctant to open up all but a tiny amount of necessary international passenger travel by plane, especially intercontinental travel and to/from China until an effective cure of vaccine is very widely available. The best hope for its end is early to mid-2021. How will airliners will survive is a big question, even after the end of restrictions, the effective economic depression, the collapse of business and tourism facilities, will make recovery very difficult.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:28 am

United plans on banning passengers who refuse to wear a mask. I'm all for this. While normally I believe people should make health/safety decisions for themselves masks the public are asked to wear protect those around them...not themselves. As other peoples rights end at the tip of my nose this is a smart idea.

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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:23 am

SA A346 ZS-SNC (Star Alliance livery) is about lo land at EZE from GRU

SA2953 from Sao Paulo https://fr24.com/SAA2953/24b5373b

Cargo?
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:25 am

ojjunior wrote:
SA A346 ZS-SNC (Star Alliance livery) is about lo land at EZE from GRU

SA2953 from Sao Paulo https://fr24.com/SAA2953/24b5373b

Cargo?


Possibly. Originally I thought it might be a lease return, but it appears not.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:27 am

WestJet is resuming 22 previously suspended domestic routes, as well as 5 US Destinations and 1 in Mexico.

http://westjet.mediaroom.com/2020-06-15 ... ring-again

WestJet suspended all flying outside of Canada back in March. Flights to LAX / ATL / LAS / LGA & CUN resume in late June, while flights to MCO resume in July. All Transborder / Int'l flying will be done from their primary hubs YYC, YYZ & YVR.
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:03 am

ojjunior wrote:
SA A346 ZS-SNC (Star Alliance livery) is about lo land at EZE from GRU

SA2953 from Sao Paulo https://fr24.com/SAA2953/24b5373b

Cargo?


Repatriation flight: it did JNB-EZE-GRU yesterday and today is doing the reverse route.
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:58 am

Let the airlines fail says this wise voice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAt7Rg1u2l8

I agree completely with what he says.



Also on further market risk by overleveraged hedge funds causing high risk of total collapse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvEWez59fbI
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:10 am

Let them fail?
Total BS. Maybe he should move back to Canada and worry about Air Canada's fate?
The airlines - at least in the United States - were not "zombie companies".
They still aren't - in many cases they are not allowed - by gov't decree - to fly.

I think you are in the wrong forum.
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:25 pm

As long as there is mask wearing, social distancing and no vaccine business travel will suffer. There are still a lot of people out there afraid to come into an office environment. I might think they are totally nuts and clueless but that's doesn't change the way they feel. Companies are not going to force employees to travel if they are scared. Moreover, the bean counters and suits are going to be pushing virtual like mad. Completely agree virtual in many circumstances is a very poor substitute for in person and outcomes will suffer. It will take months if not years before the suits and bean counters get it through their thick skulls that not everything can be done through Zoom. Accordingly I don't see business travel returning to normal levels until next year, and maybe even longer.

Leisure demand is picking up but with 1 million plus being thrown out of work each week how much longer? Also, remember lower wage workers are making MORE on unemployment now. The additional $600 Federal Unemployment is only through 7/31 and there's no guarantee (and probably little political appetite) that it's going to be extended. Me thinks these workers rather than putting money away are blowing all that cash, including on travel. Accordingly a post Summer air travel crash would be anything but surprising to me.
 
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:05 pm

You must travel, 100%. We won't travel 95?, now 85%. The writing on the wall is that 100% is gone and dead. Actually the question has been rising since 2008. The question is where well it settle, I am guessing 65?, and for a lot even lower. Or at least that is the summation of what various airlines seem to be thinking.
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:44 pm

IATA pushing for slot usage rules to be suspended through W20 season also. Current waivers expire at end of S20.

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/i ... 9.article#
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Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:53 pm

Sorry if it was already posted.

As a Club Premier member I just received en email from Aeromexico regarding flight resumptions in upcoming months.

The only route informed as permanently cancelled is MEX-PTY. Quite odd IMO.

CM just called and said a Big Thank You.

Any thoughts?
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:11 pm

On sky news Ian King Live, Akbar confirms he is not taking any aircraft from Boeing and Airbus this year or next year and any deliveries that were expected to happen over 3/4 years will now be stretched for over 8-10 years.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:26 pm

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260 employees working at Orlando's MCO airport have tested positive for COVID-19.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local ... new-cases/


Not really true (the article has since been updated to explain why). Also the time frame is cumulative, not recent positive tests.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:46 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Sorry if it was already posted.

As a Club Premier member I just received en email from Aeromexico regarding flight resumptions in upcoming months.

The only route informed as permanently cancelled is MEX-PTY. Quite odd IMO.

CM just called and said a Big Thank You.

Any thoughts?


No, MEX-PTY has been announced for closure before the Covid-19 crisis. But they already have codeshare with CM on those flights for several years.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:49 pm

Hawaiian Airlines request an extension in its service suspension to American Samoa until August 1st.

OST-2020-0037
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:56 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
williaminsd wrote:
If The WHO now says that transmission from asymptomatic people is "very rare," why are we bothering these protocols, especially mask wearing, at all?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asympto ... ter%7Cmain


Other experts say otherwise

Nearly Half of Coronavirus Spread May Be Traced to People Without Any Symptoms
https://time.com/5848949/covid-19-asymptomatic-spread/


Point is any congregation of people increases risk.

So no doubt various stages of air travel process be it the airport or being onboard is a transmission vector and the more people that chose to take part in such activities increases transmission potential.

Personally, I believe the rush to reopen including increases in travel will put us back at square one.


Well yes, anytime you venture out into a public area the transmission potential will increase, the key point is whether the increase in potential transmission is material enough to force you to avoid the activity altogether. In the case of air travel I believe the risk is low enough for it to be fine given the precautions being put in place.

Not sure if you have flown recently, but the amount of safety precautions put in airplanes (and to a varying degree at airports) is more than any place I have been to in the past few months. I'd be less worried about spread in airplanes, and focus the attention on places like restaurants, malls, stores, e.t.c. where mask wearing is not as prevalent, air filtration is lower quality, and cleaning regiments are more lax.

There is a reason the WHO says, "there is little risk of any communicable disease being transmitted onboard an aircraft."


That may al be well and true but also take into consideration the amount of time one spends at the airport with thousands of other people without the same airflow considerations as onboard. So while flying in and of itself may be 'safe', being at the airport in long security lines or waiting to board.... Not as much
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:32 am

Aerolineas Argentinas will operate a repatriation flight to San Jose, Costa Rica on June 24th:

23/6 AR1370 EZE 23:45 CUN 06:45+1 332
24/6 AR1371 CUN 08:15 SJO 09:55 332
24/6 AR1371 SJO 12:15 EZE 22:10 332

And another to Tel Aviv via Madrid, still subject to government approval

30/6 AR1134 EZE 12:30 MAD 05:55+1 332
1/7 AR 1134 MAD 07:25 TLV 13:00 332

1/7 AR 1135 TLV 17:30 MAD 21:20 332
1/7 AR 1135 MAD 22:50 EZE 07:00+1 332
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:26 am

Beginning today, British Airways is operating a daily 787-8 cargo service between London LHR and Buenos Aires EZE. The airline had been operating the service but not on a daily basis.

BA245 LHR 22:25 EZE 08:20+1 788 Cargo
BA244 EZE 16:30 LHR 09:45+1 788 Cargo
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:52 am

Philippine Airlines repatriation flight MNL-ALG 777-300ER 14h30
This is the 1st time a PAL aircraft is seen in Algiers
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:16 am

China Southern A388 B-6139 is currently positioning to YYZ from CAN for a repatriation flight

https://twitter.com/FATIIIAviation/stat ... 57761?s=20
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:47 am

Folks,

Any info about IB resuming regular flights to South America?
 
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:49 am

South African repatriation flight SA2985 departed SYD-for JNB yesterday after a 2 day delay due to a faulty data computer

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https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 83424?s=20
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:59 am

Qantas to announce its future direction over the next week. Qantas is hoping to avoid forced redundancies. A source close to the matter indicated that early retirement, voluntary redundancies and pilots agreeing to be paid fewer than the minimum hours due to the lack of flying.

Last week Qantas extended all cancellations on international travel to the end of October (with the exception of New Zealand) but will likely be extended well into 2021

https://www.reuters.com/article/health- ... SL4N2DZ19F
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:37 am

26 passengers have so far tested positive for COVID-19 after arriving in HKG onboard an EK flight from DXB (Flight # EK380)

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 18112?s=20
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:48 am

Another interesting repatriation flight, this time GARUDA is supporting Philippine Airlines between MNL and PTY:

- 23 June 2020 CGK - MNL GA9820 B77W PK-GIH
- 23 June 2020 MNL - AMS GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 24 June 2020 AMS - PTY GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 25 June 2020 PTY - AMS GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 26 June 2020 AMS - MNL GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 27 June 2020 MNL - CGK GA9821 B77W PK-GIH

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-gih
 
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:39 pm

factsonly wrote:
Another interesting repatriation flight, this time GARUDA is supporting Philippine Airlines between MNL and PTY:

- 23 June 2020 CGK - MNL GA9820 B77W PK-GIH
- 23 June 2020 MNL - AMS GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 24 June 2020 AMS - PTY GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 25 June 2020 PTY - AMS GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 26 June 2020 AMS - MNL GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 27 June 2020 MNL - CGK GA9821 B77W PK-GIH

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-gih


It is even more complex;

- 23 June 2020 CGK - MNL GA9820 B77W PK-GIH
- 23 June 2020 MNL - KNO GA9820 B77W PK-GIH
- 23 June 2020 KNO - AMS GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 24 June 2020 AMS - PTY GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 25 June 2020 PTY - AMS GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 26 June 2020 AMS - MNL GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 27 June 2020 MNL - CGK GA9821 B77W PK-GIH
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:11 pm

Sun Express Germany shuts down. On Thursday is the day of decision for Lufthansa. Do you think the bailout will pass?

Very difficult times for air travel and the future of the travel industry is uncertain at the moment according to leading travel experts.

https://liveyourtravel.com/future-of-travel/
 
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:18 pm

factsonly wrote:
factsonly wrote:
Another interesting repatriation flight, this time GARUDA is supporting Philippine Airlines between MNL and PTY:

- 23 June 2020 CGK - MNL GA9820 B77W PK-GIH
- 23 June 2020 MNL - AMS GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 24 June 2020 AMS - PTY GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 25 June 2020 PTY - AMS GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 26 June 2020 AMS - MNL GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 27 June 2020 MNL - CGK GA9821 B77W PK-GIH

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/pk-gih


It is even more complex;

- 23 June 2020 CGK - MNL GA9820 B77W PK-GIH
- 23 June 2020 MNL - KNO GA9820 B77W PK-GIH
- 23 June 2020 KNO - AMS GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 24 June 2020 AMS - PTY GA8800 B77W PK-GIH
- 25 June 2020 PTY - AMS GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 26 June 2020 AMS - MNL GA8801 B77W PK-GIH
- 27 June 2020 MNL - CGK GA9821 B77W PK-GIH

Maybe to bring Philippine sailors to work and home?
 
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:00 pm

That will be a big blow for legacy carriers who I assume must have been hoping that at least some of these leisure destinations will be open.
 
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:41 pm

Kilgen wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Sorry if it was already posted.

As a Club Premier member I just received en email from Aeromexico regarding flight resumptions in upcoming months.

The only route informed as permanently cancelled is MEX-PTY. Quite odd IMO.

CM just called and said a Big Thank You.

Any thoughts?


No, MEX-PTY has been announced for closure before the Covid-19 crisis. But they already have codeshare with CM on those flights for several years.


Before COVID-19, CM was 5 times daily and they would likely have gone to 6 times daily, while AM was just once daily.

Also, when the EU reopens, the USA will be expressly excluded along with Brazil and Russia. The US3 might want to forget about any flying to the EU for the remainder of S20.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:27 am

MIAT Mongolian Airlines 767 JU-1021 arrived SEA Sunday morning as MGL7801, to drop off PPE destined to the Navajo tribe in Arizona and Nevada.
MGL7802 departed Tuesday morning as a repatriation flight with over 250 US-stranded Mongolians. Tickets were $2500 a seat.

This is the first direct flight to the United States for the airline.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/mongolian-government-donates-ppe-us-help-fight-covid-19/FNNQGLZ4ARG4RIUGQSCRQOVAKM/

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MGL7801
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:05 am

There is talks about a Bamboo Airways repatriation flight from Han to LAX this Sunday June 28 on one of their 787-9. People working for LAX airport operations told me that Bamboo already submitted paper works last week and is awaiting approval. They said the request will be approval tomorrow Wednesday. However they could not say if it's a direct flight or there is a stopover somewhere.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:09 am

ATSG (Omni Air) got a huge amount, $ 67 Million, in Pandemic bail out for airlines. In parts it is as they provide US Military support and deportation flights as well as their owners giving large contributions to key politicians: https://news.yahoo.com/deportation-airl ... 19076.html
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:17 pm

Vietnam CAA reports today that domestic air travel has returned to 2019 level. Previous it was expected that only in mid 2021, this level can be reached.
Link in Vietnamese:
https://m.dantri.com.vn/kinh-doanh/pha- ... 116628.htm
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:22 pm

Within the USA, New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut have now imposed quarantine requirements on the following states: Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Utah, and Washington (state). I expect California to be on the list before the week is out, and for Pennsylvania to join New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut in imposing this requirement.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/t ... e/2482284/

This is particularly deleterious on American Airlines and possibly jetBlue as well. I would not be surprised if the TWA Hotel at JFK and some others just north of the airport property (not already used for homeless housing) are also booked for quarantine purposes. At EWR, there is the Marriott on airport property, but LGA is more problematic since the 288-room Mariott across the street (parkway) from the airport closed in 2018.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:29 pm

I wonder how they are going to enforce this though. Florida's quarantine was basically toothless. There is a little bit of payback element here.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:14 pm

tphuang wrote:
I wonder how they are going to enforce this though. Florida's quarantine was basically toothless. There is a little bit of payback element here.


I think it will be "self enforced." While on a certain level a joke it would be enough to quash travel between the 3 states and Florida. Not to mention other states when the MSM gives the impression we've got dead people all over the place here in FL. Not good news for AA, DL, B6 and NK.

BTW I live in Miami, a brother in Tampa and another brother in FT Myers. We're age 58-62 yet none of us know someone that has become sick from COVID 19 (even infected) and we don't know anyone that knows someone that has COVID 19. Me thinks the surges are in nursing home people, homeless individuals, people with compromised health issues particularly relating to obesity and older frail people. FL has no shortage of those categories, particularly SE FL which has been hit the hardest.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:16 pm

Ignore the quarantine.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:34 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I wonder how they are going to enforce this though. Florida's quarantine was basically toothless. There is a little bit of payback element here.


I think it will be "self enforced." While on a certain level a joke it would be enough to quash travel between the 3 states and Florida. Not to mention other states when the MSM gives the impression we've got dead people all over the place here in FL. Not good news for AA, DL, B6 and NK.

BTW I live in Miami, a brother in Tampa and another brother in FT Myers. We're age 58-62 yet none of us know someone that has become sick from COVID 19 (even infected) and we don't know anyone that knows someone that has COVID 19. Me thinks the surges are in nursing home people, homeless individuals, people with compromised health issues particularly relating to obesity and older frail people. FL has no shortage of those categories, particularly SE FL which has been hit the hardest.


Congrats for not knowing anyone. I live in New England, and I have 10 friends who lost family/friends to COVID during the winter/spring. One woman was under 50, and had no known compromising health conditions. It felt mild at first, and just went downhill to the point of death.

To your point on Florida cases, it's actually the complete opposite to your theory.

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partn ... latest.pdf

This is the county-by-county breakdown of testing and reporting. This is the no spin, no bull data people who really want to understand should look at.

What is alarming is the percent of positive cases over the past few days. Collier County (Naples) had a 20%+ positive rate yesterday. Even if testing is increasing (which it hasn't over the last 10 days) -- the percent of positive would give you a good look at the bigger picture.

The average age of the cases is late 20s and early 30s. Think about where someone in that age group might go, what they might do, that would lead to infections. Look at how packed bars/clubs are, and the lack of enforcement for these places down there.

The concern will be if those infected patients travel to places where more immune compromised people are -- thereby spreading cases to more vulnerable populations.

This can take weeks to see. I hope for Florida's case this doesn't happen. I fear it will.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:02 pm

tphuang wrote:
I wonder how they are going to enforce this though. Florida's quarantine was basically toothless. There is a little bit of payback element here.


Likely with airport hotels and possibly remote deplaning onto buses for quarantine. The question is where LGA or HPN might use for such.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:21 pm

Curious how connecting traffic would be handled.
What if someone flew CUN-MIA-BDL? Are they subject to quarantine after nothing more than a layover?
What if they flew BDL-MIA and on the way home they went MIA-ATL-BDL on the way home. Would they get around the quarantine because they deplaned off a flight from GA?
I don't know how they can enforce this.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:12 pm

From one of the other threads someone is saying the NYT claims this is largely volunteer and won't be enforced. It still may be enough to scare off leisure travel and most certainly will stop any hope that business travel would begin to resume, even outside of these states.

I would still want more information even if a lower age group. What are the specific demographics beyond race, sex and age. Not all 20/30 somethings go to bars and bars were just recently opened in SE Florida. Not to mention in SE Florida social distancing and mask wearing are still required for any public place, retail store, grocery store, etc. I don't believe large clubs have been allowed to be re-open. SE Florida has a huge homeless population and given the number of people in the hospitality industry that were thrown out of a job and had a hard time even filing for Unemployment because of overload it's probably gotten worse.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:13 pm

Bamboo Airways repatriating flight from SGN to LAX is confirmed. The LAX arrival time is not ideal, but at least the got the whole airport to themselves. This is a good way for them to test for future flights to the US!

June 28th Bamboo Airways charter flight from SGN- LAX

Departing SGN at 10:30AM (LCT)
Arriving LAX at 2:30AM (LCT)

departing LAX: 5:50AM (LCT)
Arriving SGN 23:10 (LCT)
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:38 pm

AR A332 LV-GIF landing in San Jose SJO this morning operating a repatriation flight. IIRC, first time one of their long haul widebodies has been to SJO, 737s and E190s have made it to the COOPESA facilities in the past.

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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:42 pm

What on Earth could be this flight?

OV9612 from Dakar https://fr24.com/OMS9612/24c62465
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:36 am

ojjunior wrote:
What on Earth could be this flight?

OV9612 from Dakar https://fr24.com/OMS9612/24c62465


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