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ArtV
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:25 am

Interesting scnarios that other airlines/economies will be facing as they recover.

Vietnam has not had any domestic COVID cases for 70 days, with the only cases since then in quarantine on arrival. Everything is back to normal domestically, but with closed borders.

Domestic aviation is back to pre-Covid levels: https://vietnamnews.vn/economy/748703/d ... id-19.html, and new routes are being put in place too.

But at the same time Vietnam Airlines is running out of cash and may have 1-2 months liquidity left (being majority government owned, I have no doubt cash will be made available). https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/c ... 15007.html

This illustrates the interconnection and reliances that airlines face with internaitional traffic, regardless of domestic demand.

Quite simply, we are going to see more airlines failures in the near term.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:46 pm

malaysia wrote:
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What on Earth could be this flight?

OV9612 from Dakar https://fr24.com/OMS9612/24c62465


giving back a plane to LATAM?


Well maybe. There were two flights (OV9612/9616), both landed at CNF.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:29 pm

DL 767-300 N1200K will be leaving ILN for JFK tomorrow, 6/26/20. It arrived there on 3/31/20 as part of the group that came to be stored. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1200K
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:46 pm

Argentina relaxes its no-flights-before-September policy and allows 3 airlines to operate one weekly flight each in July and August. Air France, Iberia and KLM are the ones that have been authorized thus far.

https://www.sirchandler.com.ar/2020/06/ ... -y-agosto/
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:56 pm

The crisis unleashed by the pandemic has claimed its first victim in the Chilean aviation industry: after seven years, ONE Airlines call it quits.

It specialized in charter flights for the mining sector, and in March, its last month of operation, it reached a 0.2% share of the Chilean domestic market, having transported 2,126 passengers. Its fleet was made up of two Boeing 737-300s.

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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:19 am

https://www.businessinsider.com/europe- ... nal-2020-6
Well, it's confirmed. We will see if any member countries go ahead and lift the ban on Americans. I kind of doubt they will since most leisure travel demand still comes from fellow EU countries. So, I think some of the TATL adds we've seen will now get rolled back.
 
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EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:12 am

Looks like US passengers will not be allowed into Europe soon


This is not the greatest news for the airlines in general but particularly those based in the West side of the Atlantic



Not sure how much European service was planned this summer but along with the UK’s 2 week quarantine for arriving passengers this sounds like an expensive restriction
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Re: EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:13 am

Why don’t these countries just test at the port of entries. How hard is that?
 
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Re: EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:16 am

I understand they are doing it for their own safety, but I think completely banning the American passengers is not beneficial for both Europe and the US.
I read an article on CNN that they're still in talks about it. Assuming it does go well, I'm guessing the EU will either test the incoming passengers or require them to take the test before they board the planes.
 
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Re: EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:18 am

32andBelow wrote:
Why don’t these countries just test at the port of entries. How hard is that?


Its more costly to do it themselves I am guessing, its a large volume of USA passengers so the total cost will be exorbitant, and frankly the US govt and citizens have totally messed this up, so it shouldnt be a shocker they dont want us there
 
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Re: EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:20 am

maverick4002 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Why don’t these countries just test at the port of entries. How hard is that?


Its more costly to do it themselves I am guessing, its a large volume of USA passengers so the total cost will be exorbitant, and frankly the US govt and citizens have totally messed this up, so it shouldnt be a shocker they dont want us there

There gonna get banned in retaliation and the whole world economy is going to suffer. And I’m not saying you can’t charge the passenger a fee for the test
 
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Re: EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:24 am

32andBelow wrote:
maverick4002 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Why don’t these countries just test at the port of entries. How hard is that?


Its more costly to do it themselves I am guessing, its a large volume of USA passengers so the total cost will be exorbitant, and frankly the US govt and citizens have totally messed this up, so it shouldnt be a shocker they dont want us there

There gonna get banned in retaliation and the whole world economy is going to suffer. And I’m not saying you can’t charge the passenger a fee for the test


It is what it is man. The US has totally dropped the ball on this and we cant get mad at other countries not wanting our citizens there. If Trump wants to retaliate then so be it. I suppose they could also charge people to get tested but that may also be a deterrent anyways
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:56 am

Besides, testing at the port of entry wouldn't work because you might have been infected on the plane, so you would test negative when you land, and start being contagious a few days later.

Testing at departure is not much better. If it takes X hours to get the results of a swab, you would have to be at the airport X hours early and stay quarantined after the swab. And let's say that there are 200 passengers on the flight. If one tests positive, either you deny boarding to the other 199, or you must have kept all 200 isolated from each other during those X hours.

In other words, a big mess.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:07 am

IADFCO wrote:
Besides, testing at the port of entry wouldn't work because you might have been infected on the plane, so you would test negative when you land, and start being contagious a few days later.

Testing at departure is not much better. If it takes X hours to get the results of a swab, you would have to be at the airport X hours early and stay quarantined after the swab. And let's say that there are 200 passengers on the flight. If one tests positive, either you deny boarding to the other 199, or you must have kept all 200 isolated from each other during those X hours.

In other words, a big mess.


One would have to have the test machine at the airport...if it's similar to what the hospital where I interned (and will be working soon) used, they can only run 16 tests at a time, taking about 45 minutes per test. The time needed to clear an entire Airbus A330 or Boeing 777/787's worth of passengers would be prohibitive. The machines aren't cheap either...to have enough to test a full flight, plus backup, would run one easily 8 figures per flight. The USA, in particular in the South and West, need to get their acts together. The 2020 tourism season is basically lost in the USA, while Europe can at least salvage something on short-haul and the Caribbean.

Delta may be the most harmed, as they were holding out hope on at least some seasonal destinations, particularly ATH.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:37 am

My understanding is that if a person with a European passport and who is not a US citizen / resident has been in Europe in the last 14 days, then entry to the USA is not permitted
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:00 am

With almost 50.000 new Covid19 cases in the US Friday, it will a uphill batle for the aviation industry and many others over next coming months.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:02 pm

I'm looking at an ORD-DEN flight on a UA 777. The middle section of seats is 4 seats, but the seat map shows only the outside seats of the 4 available. Can I assume both middle seats of the 4 are blocked off?
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:12 pm

2nd2none wrote:
With almost 50.000 new Covid19 cases in the US Friday, it will a uphill batle for the aviation industry and many others over next coming months.


Indeed. Will be interesting to see if AA follows through with the plan to sell the full plane that they announced a few days ago.
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:32 pm

smokeybandit wrote:
I'm looking at an ORD-DEN flight on a UA 777. The middle section of seats is 4 seats, but the seat map shows only the outside seats of the 4 available. Can I assume both middle seats of the 4 are blocked off?


Kind of. UA is booking and filling their flights to 100%. They are "blocking" middle seats from reservation for social distancing, but will assign them if all the aisle and middle seats fill up. Don't expect them to be empty when you get on board.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:05 am

ArtV wrote:
But at the same time Vietnam Airlines is running out of cash and may have 1-2 months liquidity left (being majority government owned, I have no doubt cash will be made available). https://e.vnexpress.net/news/business/c ... 15007.html

I guess that VN is basically using its national-carrier right to asking for some fresh Đồng-notes from the gov.
At the same time VN has $3.5 billion to order 50 narrowbodies.
At the same time VN has enough money to fully acquire Jetstar Pacific Airlines and would soon repaint the whole BL fleet.

As both Bamboo and VietJet confirmed they have no serious financial trouble at this moment, why is Vietnam Airlines - basically the richest guy - is crying?

Interesting.
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Re: EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:06 am

32andBelow wrote:
Why don’t these countries just test at the port of entries. How hard is that?

It is even harder than forcing people to wear mask, which is impossible in Western countries
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:52 am

Tankdiver wrote:
Bamboo Airways repatriating flight from SGN to LAX is confirmed. The LAX arrival time is not ideal, but at least the got the whole airport to themselves. This is a good way for them to test for future flights to the US!

June 28th Bamboo Airways charter flight from SGN- LAX

Departing SGN at 10:30AM (LCT)
Arriving LAX at 2:30AM (LCT)

departing LAX: 5:50AM (LCT)
Arriving SGN 23:10 (LCT)


It is currently 12:50PM local time on June 28th in Saigon and none of the 787s have taken off from SGN for LAX......VN-A818 did fly HAN-SGN and landed about 40 minutes ago...is it just (really) late...?
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Re: EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:28 am

32andBelow wrote:
maverick4002 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Why don’t these countries just test at the port of entries. How hard is that?


Its more costly to do it themselves I am guessing, its a large volume of USA passengers so the total cost will be exorbitant, and frankly the US govt and citizens have totally messed this up, so it shouldnt be a shocker they dont want us there

There gonna get banned in retaliation and the whole world economy is going to suffer. And I’m not saying you can’t charge the passenger a fee for the test

Retaliation? Really? Europe is trying to keep COVID-19 under control. Letting in people from countries where COVID-19 isn’t under control is only possible when those people are in quarantine for 14 days.
 
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Re: EU’s US passenger ban affect on American carriers

Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:06 am

32andBelow wrote:
maverick4002 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Why don’t these countries just test at the port of entries. How hard is that?


Its more costly to do it themselves I am guessing, its a large volume of USA passengers so the total cost will be exorbitant, and frankly the US govt and citizens have totally messed this up, so it shouldnt be a shocker they dont want us there

There gonna get banned in retaliation and the whole world economy is going to suffer. And I’m not saying you can’t charge the passenger a fee for the test


It will be interesting to see what the final language on the decision says. If they're targeting their ban based on citizenship alone, it may be a harebrained idea.
    1. Would a non-EU citizen of a safe country flying from the US be let in?
    2. Would a US citizen flying from a safe country be refused entry?

I hope they set their ban based on point of origin and not citizenship. Otherwise, it is safe to assume this is politically motivated and lacks credibility.
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:12 am

What EU is doing is nothing out of ordinary. Most countries have similar restrictions put into place. It’s not aimed at just America. In fact, they are only opening themselves to a smaller list of nations. Again, nothing out of ordinary at current environment.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:19 am

tphuang wrote:
https://www.businessinsider.com/europe-travel-ban-americans-eu-coronavirus-final-2020-6
Well, it's confirmed. We will see if any member countries go ahead and lift the ban on Americans. I kind of doubt they will since most leisure travel demand still comes from fellow EU countries. So, I think some of the TATL adds we've seen will now get rolled back.


Delta has pulled both JFK-ATH and JFK-LIS now for July. These two were originally restarting 16 July and now have a restart of 1 Aug (for now anyway..)
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:38 pm

Porter extends suspension of operation again until August 31 https://globalnews.ca/news/7120324/port ... august-31/

Is Porter in danger of not making it?
 
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AirBNB CEO: ‘Travel will never, ever go back to the way it was’

Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:20 pm

Pretty doomy outlook on the future of travel, especially air travel. He sees future travel being closer to home, National parks or beaches, not wide-spread adventuring around the world. And he sees a large part of the shift being permanent.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trave ... e-planning
 
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Re: AirBNB CEO: ‘Travel will never, ever go back to the way it was’

Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:25 pm

Obviously I would agree wit him if he said in the near future but never? What is he talking about?
 
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Re: AirBNB CEO: ‘Travel will never, ever go back to the way it was’

Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:28 pm

If it means the company that's done more harm to affordable housing than anyone in the last 5 years loses tons of money, good.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:54 pm

GOL has released a soft schedule of its return to its largest international market, Argentina.

September to November
* 2x d GRU-EZE
* 4x w GIG-EZE
* 4x w GIG-COR
* 4x w GIG-ROS

From November onward
* 3x d GRU-EZE
* 2x d GIG-EZE
COR & ROS with no changes

From December onward
* GRU-MDZ frequency TBD

https://www.sirchandler.com.ar/2020/06/ ... eptiembre/
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - June 2020

Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:18 pm

I traveled GVA-VIE-GVA on June 23th & 28th, twice in an Austrian Airlines Q400 (usually it's an A319).
Both flights were almost 100% full (I noticed a free seat at the back on the outward journey and two on the return journey). No one seemed to care about this load factor (things are changing fast!)

Mandatory mask on board. Water/tea/coffee service. No inflight magazine on the way out, but on the way back, yes. Distribution of tracing forms onboard, recovered disparately by the crew. No special checks on departure or arrival (my passport did not leave my bag on the outward and return journey).

Geneva airport was still very empty (easyJet is restarting curiously very slowly and Swiss, as usual, favours Zurich), while that of Vienna was already quite full.
 
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