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Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:06 pm

Eastern Airlines is in process of adding a former SQ 777-200ER to its fleet.

N771KW (msn 28530) is being prepped delivery at VCV.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3wmx5r
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... aiden-b777
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:13 pm

Weren’t there rumors of Eastern purchasing an old 747 alongside the now confirmed 777?
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:21 pm

I wonder in which condition this B777-200ER is...
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:30 pm

debonair wrote:
I wonder in which condition this B777-200ER is...


well if it's from an airline like SQ shouldn't it be in quite good shape or would that just be an expectation?
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:38 pm

lesfalls wrote:
debonair wrote:
I wonder in which condition this B777-200ER is...


well if it's from an airline like SQ shouldn't it be in quite good shape or would that just be an expectation?


It hasn't been with SQ since the end of 2014. Since then, it's been stored and with other carriers.
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:39 pm

Yes, this was mentioned earlier in the SoCal Boneyard Storage & Activity Thread. The aircraft is N771KW, 18.3 years old ex flynas 777-200ER VP-BYX. Does anyone know if it has been repainted into the Eastern Airlines livery and/or when it will fly out? I would definitely go to see that.

NOTE: Ex Kenya Airways 777-200ER 5Y-KQS is also being prepped at MCI, and will be registered N783KW.
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:40 pm

lesfalls wrote:
debonair wrote:
I wonder in which condition this B777-200ER is...


well if it's from an airline like SQ shouldn't it be in quite good shape or would that just be an expectation?


It has passed through quite a few hands since being operated by SQ.
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:55 am

There were some ex -Singapore 777-200ER going to LOT Polish, is this one of them ? Or another ex-SQ 777-200ER ?
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:08 am

Will they introduce real F class in the continental?
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:34 am

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There were some ex -Singapore 777-200ER going to LOT Polish, is this one of them ? Or another ex-SQ 777-200ER ?


This one (N771KW) is different. And this one, although ex Singapore, has passed through various operators up to this point. LOT’s are direct from SQ, although I personally doubt they’ll take them during the pandemic.
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:15 am

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VP-BYX.

wait... what?
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:21 am

Not surprising, considering the current environment id expect pricing for the 777 to be in the toilet at the moment making it an attractive way to add capacity even if you can't fill it 100%.

Although, it begs the question, where are they gonna fly the thing? Can't really fly it internationally given the double whammy of the travel restrictions by the State Department and the civil unrest in the U.S. making it more worrisome for people to come to the U.S. Only a few routes domestically have the lift to warrant a 777. NYC-MIA might considering the large amount of traffic between the two although at the moment that is still slowly coming back.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:54 am

I have to wonder if Eastern (2D) is going for military charters or ACMI duty. They also have the B763 which has functioned in a pinch. Even though they just got a new livery, the two B762 (base) and two B762(ER) frames are between 32 and 36 years old, and their ex-BA frames (acquired from QF) are about 30 years old...but about half-time in lifespan. However, those B763s are the last RB211 B763s flying.

Acquiring a few freighters might not hurt either.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:48 am

unattendedbag wrote:
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VP-BYX.

wait... what?


That was the temporary reg that N771KW had before it was placed with Eastern.

EDIT: I see that I said ex flynas 772 VP-BYX, which could be confusing as I just saw that many sites show that the reg is associated with Pembroke, not flynas. Sorry.
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:52 am

Eastern aren’t exactly in the business of operating MIA LHR, they’ll be using 777s for deportation flights and moving military personnel around
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:03 am

Perhaps they plan on flying cargo with it


Even if they only use the lower cargo hold it’s a very capable aircraft
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:13 pm

Here's a good article that describes the evolution of Eastern Airways, LLC. While the article is from way, way back in August 2019, it describes the events that threw (defunct) Eastern 2.0, Swift Air and Dynamic Airlines into the proverbial blender to form the current Eastern 3.0. It also mentions that they were supposed to take delivery of an ex-Kenyan Airways B772 last year. I guess that fell through?

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/eastern ... omes-back/

A side note: If you go to Wikipedia and look up Eastern Airways, LLC, it appears that their write up is a couple of years old. They mention a base at JFK, but no base at MIA. However, one can go to this live airport cam and see most of their fleet lounging near one of the southeastern concourses.

https://www.miamiairportcam.com
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:09 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
Here's a good article that describes the evolution of Eastern Airways, LLC. While the article is from way, way back in August 2019, it describes the events that threw (defunct) Eastern 2.0, Swift Air and Dynamic Airlines into the proverbial blender to form the current Eastern 3.0. It also mentions that they were supposed to take delivery of an ex-Kenyan Airways B772 last year. I guess that fell through?

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/eastern ... omes-back/


The Kenyan 772 (ex 5Y-KQS) was re-registered N783KW. It may just be stored at MCI, because the -KW regs usually are for Eastern. I’d mark this under ‘developing.’
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:28 pm

After reading 5+ articles on this from reputable sources, the basic questions can’t even be answered. :roll:
1. Where will it fly?
2. When will it be in service?
3. Photo??

Might have to trek out there myself and hope for the best
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:34 pm

VCVSpotter wrote:
After reading 5+ articles on this from reputable sources, the basic questions can’t even be answered. :roll:
1. Where will it fly?
2. When will it be in service?
3. Photo??

Might have to trek out there myself and hope for the best


1. No one really knows. Likely some repatriation flights until scheduled passenger services resume. Or it may be grounded for months :spin:
2. As OP said, it's being prepared.
3. As OP said, it's being prepared in VCV.

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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:08 pm

Ishrion wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
After reading 5+ articles on this from reputable sources, the basic questions can’t even be answered. :roll:
1. Where will it fly?
2. When will it be in service?
3. Photo??

Might have to trek out there myself and hope for the best


1. No one really knows. Likely some repatriation flights until scheduled passenger services resume. Or it may be grounded for months :spin:
2. As OP said, it's being prepared.
3. As OP said, it's being prepared in VCV.

dinosauce313


For #3, I would only like to go out there (it’s a 1.5hr drive) if I know for sure that it’s in the Eastern livery, I already have a shot of it in the flynas scheme. I know that ‘prepared’ can take on a lot of different meanings (paint, outfitting, maintenance, etc.) so I really don’t want to head out there just to see two people standing next to an engine lol.
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:56 pm

I hope they paint it in the original Eastern Livery. They keep trying different designs when IMO the original scheme is classic. Just my opinion
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:14 pm

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I hope they paint it in the original Eastern Livery. They keep trying different designs when IMO the original scheme is classic. Just my opinion

They just introduced new branding/livery. It’s going to be painted in that.

Part of the reason for the mishmash of recent liveries is all the ownership shifts the past couple of years (Swift purchases EA 2.0, later shifts IP to sister airline Dynamic, Swift gets bought out and is no longer sister airline, etc).
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:19 am

FINALLY, some news: in an interview with Eastern CEO, he revealed some major updates regarding the 777. For the full details, the article is linked below. The basics:
1. Currently in paint into the new Eastern Airlines livery (This matches reports that I've heard from a friend that went to VCV over the weekend, who said the ex flynas 772 VP-BYX was no where to be seen, and the paint hanger doors were closed)
2. Will enter service in Q4 2020
3. It will undergo maintenance and be reconfigured from the current all-economy seating to a mix of premium and regular economy. There will be no first class.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/06/16/int ... -picks-up/
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:27 am

Polot wrote:
miaami wrote:
I hope they paint it in the original Eastern Livery. They keep trying different designs when IMO the original scheme is classic. Just my opinion

They just introduced new branding/livery. It’s going to be painted in that.

Part of the reason for the mishmash of recent liveries is all the ownership shifts the past couple of years (Swift purchases EA 2.0, later shifts IP to sister airline Dynamic, Swift gets bought out and is no longer sister airline, etc).


The new livery is horrible. I also wish they would go for the original EA livery with large 777 titles on the tail.

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Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:49 am

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The new livery is horrible. I also wish they would go for the original EA livery with large 777 titles on the tail.

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The original Eastern livery? You mean like this? https://www.sunshineskies.com/uploads/4/3/7/6/43764233/5973898.jpg?1018
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:21 am

Ishrion wrote:
Weren’t there rumors of Eastern purchasing an old 747 alongside the now confirmed 777?



Where is that source?? But yeah, that would be kinda interesting. Would they use it for Pax or freight??
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:00 am

Semi-related but they start scheduled service to Miami on Thursday. Twice a week to GYE.
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:35 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
It will undergo maintenance and be reconfigured from the current all-economy seating to a mix of premium and regular economy. There will be no first class.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/06/16/int ... -picks-up/


According to the previous owner, currently 16 PremiumEconomy and 390 Economy

http://www.flyglobal.com.my/b777-200er/
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:55 am

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The original Eastern livery? You mean like this? https://www.sunshineskies.com/uploads/4/3/7/6/43764233/5973898.jpg?1018


Sorry, not that far away, I meant the silver one from the 80s-90s and with the aircraft type on the tail or even the white one on the 737-800 with 737 mentioned on the tail.

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Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:37 am

Ishrion wrote:


Not bad. Would like to see a side view. Though, I think I would prefer the classic livery.
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Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:14 am

Have we talked about this stupid flight they want to do NYC-ANC-CHINA. And sell tickets between nyc and and anc China and nyc China
 
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Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:25 am

I actually kind of like the new livery. Flew into MIA a few months ago and saw one of the 767s parked in the new colors and thought it looked quite nice. The livery I didn't like was the bizarre one they have on one or two 767s that is almost the hockey-stick Eastern livery but randomly droops down in the rear fuselage instead of "hockey-sticking" (yes, that's a made up word). If you're going to do the hockey-stick do the hockey-stick. Don't mess with it for no discernible reason.

I get the desire to turn Eastern into their "own" brand instead of looking like a gimmicky enthusiasts dream. If the real Eastern was still around today they would have probably changed liveries a few times by now. Keep a retro jet or two (a proper hockey-stick) and brand the others in your own design.

On a separate note, does Eastern plan to acquire a second 777? or even more than that? I mean for charter work it isn't a huge issue like it would be for scheduled routes (I know Eastern has a few scheduled routes on 767s) but isn't operating a fleet of just one aircraft terribly inefficient? Wouldn't surprise me if they are waiting on some more 77Es that ought to be coming in dirt cheap in droves to the desert soon. It's a bit old but the 77E is still a pretty good aircraft.
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:05 am

argentinevol98 wrote:
I actually kind of like the new livery. Flew into MIA a few months ago and saw one of the 767s parked in the new colors and thought it looked quite nice. The livery I didn't like was the bizarre one they have on one or two 767s that is almost the hockey-stick Eastern livery but randomly droops down in the rear fuselage instead of "hockey-sticking" (yes, that's a made up word). If you're going to do the hockey-stick do the hockey-stick. Don't mess with it for no discernible reason.

I get the desire to turn Eastern into their "own" brand instead of looking like a gimmicky enthusiasts dream. If the real Eastern was still around today they would have probably changed liveries a few times by now. Keep a retro jet or two (a proper hockey-stick) and brand the others in your own design.

On a separate note, does Eastern plan to acquire a second 777? or even more than that? I mean for charter work it isn't a huge issue like it would be for scheduled routes (I know Eastern has a few scheduled routes on 767s) but isn't operating a fleet of just one aircraft terribly inefficient? Wouldn't surprise me if they are waiting on some more 77Es that ought to be coming in dirt cheap in droves to the desert soon. It's a bit old but the 77E is still a pretty good aircraft.


Is this the livery you are referring to?


On a side note, really wished that they paint this on the 777 instead

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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:51 pm

JeremyXWB wrote:

Is this the livery you are referring to?


Yeah that's it exactly. It's just almost the classic EA Hockey-stick but deviates right at the rear fuselage and that kind of annoys me to be honest. You almost have it! Just finish it! It certainly doesn't look any better to me like that.

JeremyXWB wrote:
On a side note, really wished that they paint this on the 777 instead

Image


Got to admit I agree. I do like what they've painted on the 777 but that hypothetical 787 livery is definitely better. Fewer mainly euro-white fuselages would be great in this day and age. I'm gonna hazard a guess that what they painted on the 777 is probably cheaper to do than that 787 livery.
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Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:55 pm

So how many Eastern liveries are there? There’s a Swift Air on, the sort of old EA livery, and this one. Which one are they using?
 
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So how many Eastern liveries are there? There’s a Swift Air on, the sort of old EA livery, and this one. Which one are they using?

The one posted earlier in the thread by Ishrion. That is EA’s new livery (one of the 767s is also painted that way). The 787 render is a livery concept they released based on their new branding but I doubt EA will ever paint a plane in that livery for cost reasons.
 
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That is EA’s new livery (one of the 767s is also painted that way).


Do you happen to know which airframe that is?
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Polot wrote:
That is EA’s new livery (one of the 767s is also painted that way).


Do you happen to know which airframe that is?


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Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:47 am

justplanesmart wrote:
Polot wrote:
That is EA’s new livery (one of the 767s is also painted that way).


Do you happen to know which airframe that is?


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Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:50 pm

First flight is VCV to Kansas City. Hopefully someone can get a better shot of the aircraft.

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:41 pm

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Not surprising, considering the current environment id expect pricing for the 777 to be in the toilet at the moment making it an attractive way to add capacity even if you can't fill it 100%.

Although, it begs the question, where are they gonna fly the thing? Can't really fly it internationally given the double whammy of the travel restrictions by the State Department and the civil unrest in the U.S. making it more worrisome for people to come to the U.S. Only a few routes domestically have the lift to warrant a 777. NYC-MIA might considering the large amount of traffic between the two although at the moment that is still slowly coming back.

IF they got the airplane for a good price and IF they got an airplane in decent shape and IF the cabin hasn't been trashed?
They may very well have a good and serviceable airplane and do business with if they can cover their /crew costs and acquisition costs with the cost for Maintenance./ on top of what it will take to fuel it. you're talking about needing to make $1700 per turn just to stay viable in the charter market (in profit) the reserves will have to cover the maintenance costs and any profit. which might be minimal for the 1st charter season. They can then offer charters for Cruise ships, Resorts, and Special events when they again Resume worldwide.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:17 pm

There is near-zero charter for cruise ships anymore; people want to either book their own airfare or get booked on a major.

This 777 has to have military/government as the main target market; otherwise it makes no sense.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:07 pm

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There is near-zero charter for cruise ships anymore; people want to either book their own airfare or get booked on a major.

This 777 has to have military/government as the main target market; otherwise it makes no sense.

the Military charter market? Is going to take a damn sight more than a NEW charter company right now. Even MAC/MATS charters require quite a bit of Airline operating Prowess to even qualify these days. Gone are the days when you could pick up some derelict airplane and fly MAC charters. The operating and safety history alone is enough to kill many charter operators. My last MAC charter was flown By a Captain with a Monkey on his Back! He blew 2 tires on Landing at Torrejon Air Base Spain. Luckily? I was getting OFF!
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:09 pm

I doubt there'll be any photos of it departing VCV, a lot of people who would've gotten it today couldn't go (including me) because:
1. It filed for departure about 20-30 minutes before it happened.
2. PMD had a Boeing 757 'Catfish' testbed (N757A) and MHV had a KLM 747-400M PH-BFY (retirement). So everyone was at the wrong side of the desert.
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:19 pm

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I have to wonder if Eastern (2D) is going for military charters or ACMI duty. They also have the B763 which has functioned in a pinch. Even though they just got a new livery, the two B762 (base) and two B762(ER) frames are between 32 and 36 years old, and their ex-BA frames (acquired from QF) are about 30 years old...but about half-time in lifespan. However, those B763s are the last RB211 B763s flying.

Acquiring a few freighters might not hurt either.

why is it you focus on AGE as if that matters as to How the airframe has been Maintained? I'll bet there are still DC8's flying that are older than you ! It's not the Age of the airframe it's how it was maintained! when I was still at United we sold airplanes that went on to fly for another 15 years before they were put out to pasture. after nearly 20 years with United,
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strfyr51 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
I have to wonder if Eastern (2D) is going for military charters or ACMI duty. They also have the B763 which has functioned in a pinch. Even though they just got a new livery, the two B762 (base) and two B762(ER) frames are between 32 and 36 years old, and their ex-BA frames (acquired from QF) are about 30 years old...but about half-time in lifespan. However, those B763s are the last RB211 B763s flying.

Acquiring a few freighters might not hurt either.

why is it you focus on AGE as if that matters as to How the airframe has been Maintained? I'll bet there are still DC8's flying that are older than you ! It's not the Age of the airframe it's how it was maintained! when I was still at United we sold airplanes that went on to fly for another 15 years before they were put out to pasture. after nearly 20 years with United,
It's not the age but the care taken with the airplanes


At the same time, there aren't too many of the RB211-524 series engines flying...nor are there too many JT9D engines flying. However, all of the PW4000 series and GE CF6-80 frames are being acquired by freight forwarders.
 
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Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:18 pm

MO11 wrote:
A388 wrote:
The new livery is horrible. I also wish they would go for the original EA livery with large 777 titles on the tail.

A388


The original Eastern livery? You mean like this? https://www.sunshineskies.com/uploads/4/3/7/6/43764233/5973898.jpg?1018



YOU mean like this?


;)

(I mean if you really want to be original, Pitcairn Aviation's US Mail painted Mailwing is probably the oldest heritage of EAL painted color scheme...)
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