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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:07 pm

I have to wonder if the B788s have much mainline time left. They would seem to be ideal for a high-density configuration if RV ever resumed long-haul...see the example of JQ B788s versus QF B789s...99-seat difference (335 on the B788s vs. 236 on the B789s) or ZG B788 vs. JL B789 (an extreme case since JL is 8-abreast on mainline)...95 seat difference (290 on the B788 vs. 195 on the B789) and as much as 129 on mainline vs. Zipair B788s (161 mainline JL, 290 ZG).
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:20 pm

The problem of the B787 is that all companies used a high density abreast (9) in Y class but when it was marketed the B787 was annonced at 8 abreast in Y. For this reason I prefer the A330 NEO because you have wider seat and armrest.

I flew a long time ago in AC 762 and in CP 763, I'd like the 7 abreast configuration in Y
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:34 pm

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Gimli was a decomissioned former Canadian Air Force Base, even before the incident happened. There was no easy way to bring C-GAUN back to Gimli, for permanent display.


Gimli is still an active airport - Gimli Industrial Airpark (CYGM) is still open for flights, with a 6,800ft runway.

RCAF Station Gimli had two parallel runways; one has been converted to a motorsports park, the other remained open for aircraft use. The Glider lined up for the closed runway and wasn't aware of the mistake until after it was too late to side-step.
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:23 pm

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IWMBH wrote:
UA444 wrote:
With demand for 767s through the roof, at least they’ll continue flying most likely


The AC 767’s are pretty old, so I doubt that most planes will continue flying. The demand for 767 will most likely be lower because the economic downturn.

They’re buying up practically everything to convert. Demand outstrips supply.


There are 19 767's sitting at ILN right now that may never return to service with DL. I call this ATSG's shopping cart.....especially with the news today that we are leasing a further 12 767-300's to Amazon.......
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:08 pm

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What will AC use to replace this type? The A321 is too small (although it's a decent 762 replacement) and the 788 and A333 are too big.


787s, A330s and MAXs....

I imagine there will be an A321LR/XLR order at some point to replace some of the 767 flying. The MAX, assuming it ever comes back, isn’t quite big or capable enough.
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:45 pm

Since there were a few questions upthread, the 767 is officially retired at *both* AC Mainline and AC Rouge:

Quote from AC website:
"In May 2020, Air Canada announced that in addition to the planned retirement of the remaining five 767s in its mainline fleet, the 767s from Rouge would also be retired from service."

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/hom ... ement.html
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:11 am

767333ER wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
What will AC use to replace this type? The A321 is too small (although it's a decent 762 replacement) and the 788 and A333 are too big.


787s, A330s and MAXs....

I imagine there will be an A321LR/XLR order at some point to replace some of the 767 flying. The MAX, assuming it ever comes back, isn’t quite big or capable enough.


Depends on which routes I guess. The MAX can handle routes from the east coast to LHR/Europe and YYC-OGG quite easily. Other longer ‘67 routes will be shuffled around the widebody fleet. I doubt AC is looking at new aircraft right now but we’ll see.
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:05 am

My favourite aircraft by far. Flown on -200 within Canada and -300 many times to Hawaii and London. Preferred mainline 767’s. I was disappointed with the Rouged 767s.
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:54 am

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My favourite aircraft by far. Flown on -200 within Canada and -300 many times to Hawaii and London. Preferred mainline 767’s. I was disappointed with the Rouged 767s.


I never had the misfortune of flying a Rouge 763, but I've got a number of segments on the mainline birds, mainly back and forth between YOW and FRA. Good aircraft, both in Y and J. Even if the onboard product was highly dated towards the end, I was always a bit fond of the project XM herringbone. I think my last flight on one was FRA-YOW in September. Was hopeful I'd get another one this summer as they were originally sticking around a bit longer than planned due to the MAX groundings.

Oh well, I got an OS 763 VIE-YUL just before Covid hit. In hindsight, a lot of my flights in the last year are likely to be my last ever on certain types.
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:32 am

The only Boeing aircraft with great 2-3-2 seating in economy.
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:19 pm

Speaking of AC 767's, does anyone else remember the experimental livery they painted on at least 1 762? I remember being in YYZ in July 1993 and seeing a 762 in the double stripe livery, except instead of a red/burgundy combo, the entire livery was burgundy. In those pre-internet days, I was confused, as I didn't know about experimental liveries etc. Have never been able to find a photo of it either.
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:01 pm

720B wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Sorry just to be clear, has Air Canada Rouge retired their fleet of 25 B763s? No return to transatlantic leisure is envisaged?



Found an article that says Rouge will be refocused on shorter flights within the Americas


https://paxex.aero/2020/05/air-canada-t ... etirement/

From the article:

"As part of its fleet reorganization Air Canada will permanently remove 79 aircraft from service, including the 25 767-300s operating for Rouge. These 767s were the backbone of the Rouge long-haul operations, delivering tens of thousands passengers to Europe every summer.

The Rouge will also fully retire A319 type from service, with 22 leaving the fleet. All told, more than 70% of the Rouge fleet is slated to retire, leaving Air Canada with only 19 A320/A321 planes flying for its LCC arm. The airline still believes that the low frills segment is important to its business, but that will be refocused on shorter flights within the Americas..."


As a fueler I won't miss the Rouge A319s and the bizarre choice to put the fuel panel on the left wing, which meant we needed two people to service the airplane most of the time since the narrowbody gates at MIA only have fuel pits on the right side.

b4thefall wrote:
Speaking of AC 767's, does anyone else remember the experimental livery they painted on at least 1 762? I remember being in YYZ in July 1993 and seeing a 762 in the double stripe livery, except instead of a red/burgundy combo, the entire livery was burgundy. In those pre-internet days, I was confused, as I didn't know about experimental liveries etc. Have never been able to find a photo of it either.


That brings to mind the other AC 767 experimental scheme... the bare metal 762 of the 2000s:

 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:13 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
767333ER wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:

787s, A330s and MAXs....

I imagine there will be an A321LR/XLR order at some point to replace some of the 767 flying. The MAX, assuming it ever comes back, isn’t quite big or capable enough.


Depends on which routes I guess. The MAX can handle routes from the east coast to LHR/Europe and YYC-OGG quite easily. Other longer ‘67 routes will be shuffled around the widebody fleet. I doubt AC is looking at new aircraft right now but we’ll see.


I would also imagine that a number of routes will be cut now and for some time into the future. AC is positioning itself to be a much smaller airline for the next 5 years.
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:35 am

Quite some 767s movements yesterday as reported by Skyliner

Mainline

Boeing 767 -375 24307 259 C-FTCA Air Canada ferried 05jun20 YYZ-MZJ for storage (+ 25120/361 C-GLCA)
Boeing 767 -375 24575 311 C-FOCA Air Canada ferried 04jun20 YUL-MZJ for storage


Rouge
Boeing 767 -316 26327 621 C-FMLV Air Canada Rouge ferried 05jun20 YYZ-SNN for storage (+ 27597/602 C-FMLZ) ex 9Y-LGW
Boeing 767 -375 30108 771 C-GEOU Air Canada Rouge ferried 05jun20 MLB-MZJ for storage (+ 30112/765 C-GEOQ)
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:30 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
The only Boeing aircraft with great 2-3-2 seating in economy.


Was there another widebody and major operator with 2x3x2 seating in coach?
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:35 pm

KPWMSpotter wrote:
rikkus67 wrote:
Gimli was a decomissioned former Canadian Air Force Base, even before the incident happened. There was no easy way to bring C-GAUN back to Gimli, for permanent display.


Gimli is still an active airport - Gimli Industrial Airpark (CYGM) is still open for flights, with a 6,800ft runway.

RCAF Station Gimli had two parallel runways; one has been converted to a motorsports park, the other remained open for aircraft use. The Glider lined up for the closed runway and wasn't aware of the mistake until after it was too late to side-step.


KPWMSpotter, thanks for the clarification! I didn't realize there was more than one runway... and I vividly remember the incident!
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:35 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
The only Boeing aircraft with great 2-3-2 seating in economy.


Was there another widebody and major operator with 2x3x2 seating in coach?


The rear several rows on 330/340 aircraft are 2-3-2. Always nice to sit there, as the aisle is also extremely wide.
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:04 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
The only Boeing aircraft with great 2-3-2 seating in economy.


Was there another widebody and major operator with 2x3x2 seating in coach?


I remember flying on Air Astana last summer; they had 2x3x2 as well on their 767s. Though I'm not sure if you'd wanna call them a major player with a fleet of only four 763s.
 
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Re: Air Canada Officially Retires the 767

Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:49 pm

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Speaking of AC 767's, does anyone else remember the experimental livery they painted on at least 1 762? I remember being in YYZ in July 1993 and seeing a 762 in the double stripe livery, except instead of a red/burgundy combo, the entire livery was burgundy. In those pre-internet days, I was confused, as I didn't know about experimental liveries etc. Have never been able to find a photo of it either.


Totally possible it's just the way it looks in photos, but C-FBEG was leased to Polynesian in that time frame, and wore a hybrid livery. Is it possible both stripes were maroon? Not sure if it would have been in YYZ at that time for MTCE or anything, I imagine someone like longhauler will be able to answer for you
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After a bit more digging I stumbled on this as well, which may add to my hypothesis that FBEG may have had a stripe repainted before operating for Polynesian.
Almost half this month’s releases represent the Boeing 767-200 as Aeroclassics continue to roll through the possibilities the type offers. The schemes this month are all mainstream aside from that of Polynesian Airlines, who leased C-FBEG from Air Canada in 1993 and operated it in an attractive variation of the Air Canada burgundy stripe scheme. It does seem however that the Aeroclassics elves at the factory may have got confused between this and the Air Canada release and switched the burgundy stripe to the Polynesian 767 rather than the Air Canada one.


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