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Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:57 pm

Following the announcement of 777s at DL being retired this year, and the MD's leaving a few days ago, I wanted to take a trip down memory lane. What was Delta's fleet like in 1999? I know it was probably more interesting, but as I am only 13, I couldn't see for myself.

Aircraft getting ordered
Boeing 737-800
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 767-300ER
Boeing 777-200 (first introduced.)
Last of MD-11s introduced in 1998
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-88?
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-90

Aircraft getting retired
Boeing 727-200
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 737-300
Boeing 767-200?
Lockheed L1011
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-11?

I obviously know that the 727s were replaced by 737-800s/757-200s/MD's, the old 732/733s were replaced by 737-700/737-800/MD's, the 762's were replaced by 757s/763's, the L1011s and MD-11s were replaced by 767s/777s.

Since I was not alive at the time, I really want to know how many of each of these aircraft Delta operated and where, when they flew. Feel free to share any experiences that you have of these airplanes. Thanks.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:05 pm

From Delta's Annual Report
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data ... 011465.txt

DELTA'S AIRCRAFT FLEET

DELTA AIRCRAFT FLEET AT JUNE 30, 1999


Leased
Average ---------------------
Aircraft Type Age Owned Capital Operating Total
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
<S> <C> <C> <C> <C> <C>
B-727-200 21.9 110 -- 10 120
B-737-200 14.6 1 45 8 54
B-737-300 12.6 -- 3 23 26
B-737-800 0.6 7 -- -- 7
B-757-200 9.6 59 -- 41 100
B-767-200 16.1 15 -- -- 15
B-767-300 9.4 4 -- 24 28
B-767-300ER 4.1 43 -- 8 51
B-777-200 0.3 2 -- -- 2
L-1011-1 19.9 13 -- -- 13
L-1011-250 16.7 6 -- -- 6
L-1011-500 18.4 11 -- -- 11
MD-11 5.4 8 -- 7 15
MD-88 9.0 63 -- 57 120
MD-90 3.6 16 -- -- 16
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Totals 12.3 358 48 178 584
=======================================
</TABLE>

AIRCRAFT DELIVERY SCHEDULES AT JUNE 30, 1999

<TABLE>
<CAPTION>
Delivery in Year Ending June 30
---------------------------------
After
Aircraft on Firm Order 2000 2001 2002 2003 2003 Total
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
<S> <C> <C> <C> <C> <C> <C>
B-737-600/700/800 17 17 12 11 43 100
B-757-200 11 8 -- -- -- 19
B-767-300/300ER 7 1 -- -- -- 8
B-767-400 2 19 -- -- -- 21
B-777-200(*) 5 -- 1 1 4 11
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Total 42 45 13 12 47 159
=================================================================
</TABLE>

(*) Delivery of B-777's have been deferred indefinitely (see "Pilot
Collective Bargaining Agreement" on page 32 of this report).


AIRCRAFT ON OPTION

Delivery in Year Ending June 30
-------------------------------------
After Rolling
Aircraft on Option(*) 2000 2001 2002 2003 2003 Total Options
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
B-737-600/700/800 -- 9 7 7 37 60 267
B-757-200 -- 2 8 10 -- 20 80
B-767-300/300ER -- 2 2 2 5 11 16
B-767-400 -- -- 12 5 7 24 25
B-777-200 -- 1 5 5 9 20 30
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total -- 14 34 29 58 135 418
==============================================================================

(*) Aircraft options have scheduled delivery slots, while rolling options
replace options and are assigned delivery slots as options expire or are
exercised.

18
<PAGE> 2

ATLANTIC SOUTHEAST AIRLINES (ASA)

Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA) became a wholly owned subsidiary of Delta on
May 11, 1999. Through more closely integrated schedules, Delta and ASA will
offer customers better connections and service. ASA service is being enhanced by
the introduction of operational improvements that have been successful at Delta.
These improvements will produce positive results in the areas of on-time
performance, baggage handling and other customer service activities. Delta's
acquisition of ASA also enables both airlines to allocate aircraft more
efficiently across their respective route systems.

[GRAPHIC]

AIRCRAFT FLEET AT JUNE 30, 1999

<TABLE>
<CAPTION>
Average Leased
Aircraft Type Age Owned Capital Operating Total
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
<S> <C> <C> <C> <C> <C>
EMB-120 10.0 56 -- 1 57
ATR-72 5.7 4 -- 8 12
CRJ-200 (Regional Jet) 0.9 2 -- 21 23
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 7.2 62 -- 30 92
======================================
</TABLE>

AIRCRAFT DELIVERY SCHEDULES AT JUNE 30, 1999

<TABLE>
<CAPTION>
Delivery in Year Ending June 30
---------------------------------
After
Aircraft on Firm Order 2000 2001 2002 2003 2003 Total
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
<S> <C> <C> <C> <C> <C> <C>
CRJ-200 (Regional Jet) 12 10 -- -- -- 22
CRJ-700 (Regional Jet) -- -- 5 7 -- 12
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Total 12 10 5 7 -- 34
======================================================================
</TABLE>

ASA has options to purchase 45 CRJ-200 aircraft and eight CRJ-700 aircraft. On
August 9, 1999, ASA entered into a memorandum of understanding to lease seven
ATR-72 aircraft during fiscal 2000.


ASA HIGHLIGHTS

- - Atlanta's largest regional airline with service to 44 markets
- - Dallas/Fort Worth hub serves 17 markets
- - Average number of full-time equivalent employees: 2,500

CANADAIR REGIONAL JET (CRJ) SERVICE
- - As of August 1, 1999, ASA provided CRJ service to 32 cities from Atlanta.
Most recent additions include:

Austin, Texas
Daytona Beach, Florida
Houston (Hobby), Texas
Long Island/Islip, New York
Melbourne, Florida
Montgomery, Alabama
San Antonio, Texas

- - By the end of calendar 1999, additional CRJ service is planned for:

Des Moines, Iowa
Fort Wayne, Indiana
Toledo, Ohio

See ASA's route map on back cover foldout of this Annual Report.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:08 pm

Also, could anyone say the average age of DL fleet in 1999? Just curious.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:21 pm

12.3 Years, directly noted in the table posted above
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:32 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
Following the announcement of 777s at DL being retired this year, and the MD's leaving a few days ago, I wanted to take a trip down memory lane. What was Delta's fleet like in 1999? I know it was probably more interesting, but as I am only 13, I couldn't see for myself.

Aircraft getting ordered
Boeing 737-800
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 767-300ER
Boeing 777-200 (first introduced.)
Last of MD-11s introduced in 1998
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-88?
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-90

Aircraft getting retired
Boeing 727-200
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 737-300
Boeing 767-200?
Lockheed L1011
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-11?

I obviously know that the 727s were replaced by 737-800s/757-200s/MD's, the old 732/733s were replaced by 737-700/737-800/MD's, the 762's were replaced by 757s/763's, the L1011s and MD-11s were replaced by 767s/777s.

Since I was not alive at the time, I really want to know how many of each of these aircraft Delta operated and where, when they flew. Feel free to share any experiences that you have of these airplanes. Thanks.


Back in 1999, the 737-200/300 and 767-200 were going nowhere. The 737-200s were all Delta Express, flying between Florida (MCO/RSW/FLL/TPA/PBI) and various cities in the East/Midwest. They were in a 120 all-Y configuration. At the time. Delta had a fairly large operation (around 150 flights a day) out of MCO. The 70s gates were all Delta mainline (ATL, CVG, SLC, LGA, LAX, JFK, SLC, DFW) with the low-80s also used at peak times. The 90s gates were all Delta Express, which had service to BOS, ALB, BUF, SDF, ABE, ROC, SYR, IND, BNA, MCI, PVD, CLE, IAD, EWR, BDL and then repositioning legs to TPA/RSW/FLL/PBI (probably forgetting some cities). The 60s gates (which don't exist anymore but are under the tram tracks...there are still a couple of signs for them) had the Comair operation, which was pretty extensive within Florida (EYW, PNS, VPS, PFN, JAX, etc.) and as Comair was growing with CRJs, more into the Southeast (GSO, GSP, CHS, BHM, etc.).

After Song replaced Delta Express, the 737-200s went to doing short haul flights out of ATL and CVG (maybe SLC); DFW had closed by this point. They were in an 8F and I think 102Y configuration (might have been 108Y). I remember grabbing a few of those on CVG-GSO.

The 737-300s were all based out west - SLC and DFW. The first time I flew a Delta 737 was in the mid-2000s when they had moved over to the Shuttle to take over for the 737-800s (which were the original plane used to replace the 727s on the Shuttle).

Around 1999, the Shuttle was still 727s with an occasional Comair CRJ filling in as extra sections (back then, they would add sections at the last minute on the Shuttles - both DL and US). The 727s started going away in 2000 on the Shuttle, replaced by 737-800s. After 9/11 and the introduction of the Amtrak Acela, the Shuttle got cut back to 737-300s, then MD-88s around 2007.

In 1999, the MD-88 was primarily an ATL/CVG/NYC/DFW plane while the -90s were kept out west at LAX/SLC/DFW. My first -90 ride was in 2004 on DFW-LAX right before the DFW hub closed.

The MD-11s held on a little bit longer until 2005. Delta only had two 777s at first since they had a fight with the pilots union on them, so the -11s stuck around until the 777s started coming more online around 2001-2002. By that point, Delta's Asian route network was down to just ATL-NRT, so it was easy enough to move the 777s onto that. Back in 1999 though, you'd see a ton of widebodies on ATL-MCO - L-1011, 777s, 767-200/300 (and when the -400 came, that got it too), MD-11s, etc.

The 767-200s lasted until the mid-2000s. The Spirit of Delta was painted up in 2005 or so for Delta's 75th anniversary.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:38 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
I know it was probably more interesting, but as I am only 13, I couldn't see for myself.


You are presently 13 years old?

Learn to read the Annual Reports. In addition to the balance sheet (assets and how much is owed) you will find an income statement: where the money goes (salaries, fuel, interest payments) and what's left over (profit!) You will also see lots of arcana on the fleet and the frequent flyer program - like what % of revenue miles were given over to award travel last year.

https://ir.delta.com/financials/default.aspx#sec Form type = Annual Filings

You'll see that PSU.DTW.SCE knew right where to look to answer your question: the Annual Report.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:41 pm

deltairlines wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
Following the announcement of 777s at DL being retired this year, and the MD's leaving a few days ago, I wanted to take a trip down memory lane. What was Delta's fleet like in 1999? I know it was probably more interesting, but as I am only 13, I couldn't see for myself.

Aircraft getting ordered
Boeing 737-800
Boeing 757-200
Boeing 767-300ER
Boeing 777-200 (first introduced.)
Last of MD-11s introduced in 1998
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-88?
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-90

Aircraft getting retired
Boeing 727-200
Boeing 737-200
Boeing 737-300
Boeing 767-200?
Lockheed L1011
Mcdonnell Douglas MD-11?

I obviously know that the 727s were replaced by 737-800s/757-200s/MD's, the old 732/733s were replaced by 737-700/737-800/MD's, the 762's were replaced by 757s/763's, the L1011s and MD-11s were replaced by 767s/777s.

Since I was not alive at the time, I really want to know how many of each of these aircraft Delta operated and where, when they flew. Feel free to share any experiences that you have of these airplanes. Thanks.


Back in 1999, the 737-200/300 and 767-200 were going nowhere. The 737-200s were all Delta Express, flying between Florida (MCO/RSW/FLL/TPA/PBI) and various cities in the East/Midwest. They were in a 120 all-Y configuration. At the time. Delta had a fairly large operation (around 150 flights a day) out of MCO. The 70s gates were all Delta mainline (ATL, CVG, SLC, LGA, LAX, JFK, SLC, DFW) with the low-80s also used at peak times. The 90s gates were all Delta Express, which had service to BOS, ALB, BUF, SDF, ABE, ROC, SYR, IND, BNA, MCI, PVD, CLE, IAD, EWR, BDL and then repositioning legs to TPA/RSW/FLL/PBI (probably forgetting some cities). The 60s gates (which don't exist anymore but are under the tram tracks...there are still a couple of signs for them) had the Comair operation, which was pretty extensive within Florida (EYW, PNS, VPS, PFN, JAX, etc.) and as Comair was growing with CRJs, more into the Southeast (GSO, GSP, CHS, BHM, etc.).

After Song replaced Delta Express, the 737-200s went to doing short haul flights out of ATL and CVG (maybe SLC); DFW had closed by this point. They were in an 8F and I think 102Y configuration (might have been 108Y). I remember grabbing a few of those on CVG-GSO.

The 737-300s were all based out west - SLC and DFW. The first time I flew a Delta 737 was in the mid-2000s when they had moved over to the Shuttle to take over for the 737-800s (which were the original plane used to replace the 727s on the Shuttle).

Around 1999, the Shuttle was still 727s with an occasional Comair CRJ filling in as extra sections (back then, they would add sections at the last minute on the Shuttles - both DL and US). The 727s started going away in 2000 on the Shuttle, replaced by 737-800s. After 9/11 and the introduction of the Amtrak Acela, the Shuttle got cut back to 737-300s, then MD-88s around 2007.

In 1999, the MD-88 was primarily an ATL/CVG/NYC/DFW plane while the -90s were kept out west at LAX/SLC/DFW. My first -90 ride was in 2004 on DFW-LAX right before the DFW hub closed.

The MD-11s held on a little bit longer until 2005. Delta only had two 777s at first since they had a fight with the pilots union on them, so the -11s stuck around until the 777s started coming more online around 2001-2002. By that point, Delta's Asian route network was down to just ATL-NRT, so it was easy enough to move the 777s onto that. Back in 1999 though, you'd see a ton of widebodies on ATL-MCO - L-1011, 777s, 767-200/300 (and when the -400 came, that got it too), MD-11s, etc.

The 767-200s lasted until the mid-2000s. The Spirit of Delta was painted up in 2005 or so for Delta's 75th anniversary.


The 737-200s were not all Delta Express in 1999. Plenty were flying mainline routes.
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:15 pm

floridaflyboy wrote:
The 737-200s were not all Delta Express in 1999. Plenty were flying mainline routes.


Delta operated several 737-200 routes out of CVG in the late 1990s. Used to fly them all the time from SBN to CVG going to/from college.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:49 pm

After 1998's Asian Financial Crisis, Delta's Asian hub in PDX was closed down. DL's only Asian route at the time is ATL-NRT and later with the 777 they added ATL-ICN and later ATL-PVG added a bit later and closed down. With DL's Asia JV ATL-NRT/ICN/PVG can stay.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:48 pm

deltairlines wrote:
After Song replaced Delta Express, the 737-200s went to doing short haul flights out of ATL and CVG (maybe SLC); DFW had closed by this point.


By what point? The OP's request for 1999 info? The DL DFW wind-down was announced in 2004 for 2005 effect.

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stor ... 20by%20Jan.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:49 pm

Yeah I think bcz of the bankruptcy Chapter 11, they closed Fort Worth, and were cutting down Cincinatti.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:19 pm

Once upon a time, Delta was a domestic airline company. Before the Globalist Financiers got control....
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:44 pm

N212R wrote:
Once upon a time, Delta was a domestic airline company. Before the Globalist Financiers got control....

I fail to see how it was a good thing that Delta was a domestic airline ; it is in much better financial health today thanks to the globalization and international flights.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:02 pm

Not exactly on topic but you can look at old versions of wiki pages...

Oldest one for fleet page: 16:41, 1 March 2009

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =274172955
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:12 pm

N212R wrote:
Once upon a time, Delta was a domestic airline company. Before the Globalist Financiers got control....


And what's your point? Who are the "globalist financiers" you are referring to? Any names?
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:15 pm

As others have said, although many 737-200s were flying as Delta Express, some remained in mainline service. Flying mainly from CVG (but sometimes ATL as well), they ran to SBN, OKC, TUL, MSY, IND, YUL, BUF, MSP, and CLT, among others.

The 737-300 was mostly[i][/i] but not completely based out of SLC. IIRC the 737-300s as a whole came to DL from WA, so that's where most of the aircraft stayed, was based out west. DL did, however operate a couple of 737-300s on triangle routings out of ATL- namely ATL-MDT-ABE and back, as well as ATL-FWA-TOL and back. They may have also served ATL-AVP but I'm not 100% on that.

727-200s were all over the place. They were the exclusive plane used on the DCA-LGA-BOS Shuttle prior to the 737-800 coming on property, but they flew all over the DL system. You could find 727s flying in and out of all DL hubs, including JFK, CVG, ATL, MCO, DFW, and SLC. They flew many of the "almost transcon" routes from SLC to the East coast (think JFK/PHL/EWR/BOS/IAD) if not all.

MD-90s were already on property, but not the 65 frames that DL just recently retired. They only had 16 frames and those aircraft at the time stayed based out of SLC. IIRC the reason MD-90s flew out of SLC but not MD-88s had something to do with "hot & high" performance of the engines. IIRC, at the time, the MD-90s also had flip-down movie screens every few rows, especially for their longer jaunts like SLC-ORD.

Domestic widebodies were still very big at DL and you could find 767s and L-1011s doing ATL-Florida, ATL-SFO/LAX/SAN/LAS/SEA/SLC and even some flights to LGA, ORD, DTW, BDL, MSY, and BOS. I even had a 767-200 show up as an equipment sub on PHL-ATL once, as well. 757s were usually used on the remaining flights to these cities, as well as on PHX/IAD/DFW and the (very) occasional IND, PVD, or CMH.

CRJ service was just ramping up in the late 90s. Skywest and Comair got their first CRJs on property in I want to say 1995? By 1998-1999, Comair in particular was majority CRJ and only had a few EMB-120 Brasilias left. Skywest was still ramping up, but they pushed the CRJs they had pretty far, including on SLC-YVR/YYC/YEG/SNA. ASA was a bit late to the CRJ party, having tried jet ops with the BAe 146 prior and the reliability of said frames not being the best (I believe the 146s served ATL-AVL/TRI/TYS/MYR/ILM but could be mistaken). At ASA, apparently the joke was BAe stood for 'bring another engine'.

MD-11s were international save for a couple of tag-on routes, namely ATL-MCO and CVG-PDX. They may have also served on one or two ATL-LAX flights at one point.

MD-88s flew mainly out of ATL, CVG, and to a lesser extent DFW and JFK.
IND ORD ATL MCO PIT EWR BUF CVG DEN RNO JFK DTW BOS BDL BWI IAD RDU CLT MYR CHS TPA CID MSP STL MSY DFW IAH AUS SLC LAS
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:56 pm

I flew the M11 ATL-PDX in 1999 and the return was L15. In 2001 I flew the M11 ATL-LAX a few times. All the M11 flights departed from concourse E, which was the international concourse at the time. The 737-200 (mainline) and the 757 had the exact same interior which was different from the rest of the fleet.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:14 pm

EMB170 wrote:

The 737-300 was mostly[i][/i] but not completely based out of SLC. IIRC the 737-300s as a whole came to DL from WA, so that's where most of the aircraft stayed, was based out west. DL did, however operate a couple of 737-300s on triangle routings out of ATL- namely ATL-MDT-ABE and back, as well as ATL-FWA-TOL and back. They may have also served ATL-AVP but I'm not 100% on that.



I think there were 13 or so 737-300s that came over to Delta from Western with the merger in 1987. The others were picked up on lease in the mid/late-90s including several from Western Pacific Airlines after it shut down in early 1998. The Asian financial crisis in 1997-98 left several lessors with brand new -300s that they had to scramble to place when the original intended customers had to defer/cancel deliveries. I believe Delta got a few of those as did Frontier.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:50 am

Quoting EMB170, “MD-90s were already on property . . . They only had 16 frames and those aircraft at the time stayed based out of SLC.”

That’s not exactly correct.

First, Delta does not base certain fleet types at specific airports, so the MD-90s were not “based” at Salt Lake City.

Second, from the time the first MD-90s were delivered in 1995 until 2004, only the MD-88 pilots based at DFW were dual-qualified on both the MD-88 and MD-90.

When the DFW pilot base closed, Delta decided to qualify all MD-88 pilots on both aircraft to increase flexibility with crew scheduling.

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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:13 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
I know it was probably more interesting, but as I am only 13, I couldn't see for myself.


You are presently 13 years old?

Learn to read the Annual Reports. In addition to the balance sheet (assets and how much is owed) you will find an income statement: where the money goes (salaries, fuel, interest payments) and what's left over (profit!) You will also see lots of arcana on the fleet and the frequent flyer program - like what % of revenue miles were given over to award travel last year.

https://ir.delta.com/financials/default.aspx#sec Form type = Annual Filings

You'll see that PSU.DTW.SCE knew right where to look to answer your question: the Annual Report.

At 13 I certainly wouldn't have known about looking at an Annual Report, and even if I knew about them I wouldn't have necessarily thought it contained lots of information about an airline's fleet.

PSU.DTW.SCE has linked the Annual Report and hopefully Boeing757100 has had opportunity to access it, read it and start learning about what they politely asked this community about so that we could share our own knowledge.


Back to topic - in 1999 DL was, along with CO and AA, moving towards being an exclusively Boeing customer following the huge deals on new aircraft orders and options. Competition investigations forced those deals to become more "gentlemens agreements" but all three airlines had committed their medium term mainline fleet requirements to Boeing. 9/11 curtailed those plans, but if things had carried on as planned you would have seen DL with a much bigger 737-832 and 777-232ER fleet. The msn allocations of later DL orders with Boeing show that a number of the 777-232LRs and 737-732s must have been options exercised from that original deal, albeit with the aircraft type changed. I also believe DL was able to sell on around 60 of it's 737 options to a leasing company (Babcok & Brown I believe - possibly DL exercised them at favourable pricing as per the deal and they were sold before delivery).
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:48 pm

FlyCaledonian wrote:
Back to topic - in 1999 DL was, along with CO and AA, moving towards being an exclusively Boeing customer following the huge deals on new aircraft orders and options. Competition investigations forced those deals to become more "gentlemens agreements" but all three airlines had committed their medium term mainline fleet requirements to Boeing. 9/11 curtailed those plans, but if things had carried on as planned you would have seen DL with a much bigger 737-832 and 777-232ER fleet. The msn allocations of later DL orders with Boeing show that a number of the 777-232LRs and 737-732s must have been options exercised from that original deal, albeit with the aircraft type changed. I also believe DL was able to sell on around 60 of it's 737 options to a leasing company (Babcok & Brown I believe - possibly DL exercised them at favourable pricing as per the deal and they were sold before delivery).


Let’s not forget that based on the product catalogues in the late 90s, moving toward Boeing exclusivity made total sense, especially for those carriers that had not renewed their small narrowbody fleets with 32X in the late 80s or early 90s. The 738 was at the time hands down a better performer than the 320, and likewise the 77E outperformed early-build 333s. The 757 and 744 had no Airbus peer. 343s could match 777 range but at the price of four engines, so the only airplane with which Airbus had an advantage at the time was the 321 versus the 739. Still, the 752 outperformed both handily and its higher costs were easily justifiable.
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:05 pm

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ASA was a bit late to the CRJ party, having tried jet ops with the BAe 146 prior and the reliability of said frames not being the best (I believe the 146s served ATL-AVL/TRI/TYS/MYR/ILM but could be mistaken). At ASA, apparently the joke was BAe stood for 'bring another engine'.



ASA may eventually have served other markets with its fleet of five BAe 146s, but I believe the first markets served were TRI, CHA, AVL, MYR, CSG, VPS, and ECP.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:15 pm

EMB170 wrote:
The 737-300 was mostly[i][/i] but not completely based out of SLC. IIRC the 737-300s as a whole came to DL from WA, so that's where most of the aircraft stayed, was based out west.

DL did, however operate a couple of 757s were usually used on the remaining flights to these cities, as well as on PHX/IAD/DFW and the (very) occasional IND, PVD, or CMH.


-I flew a 733 ATL-HSV-ATL in 2001.

-757s at CMH were more than occasional. You'd sometimes have them 2-3x/day to both ATL and CVG.
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:25 am

Don’t forget all the Delta Connection partners flying regional DL connection routes when regional airlines were still regional and utilizing primarily turboprops.,

In the Northeast, we had Business Express-BEX, flying as Delta Connection, primarily operating out of BOS and LGA throughout points in the Northeast with B-1900’s, Shorts 360’s, SF-340’s and Arvo jets.

In the Southeast, there was ASA out of ATL and DFW. Using EMB-120’s and ATR’s. I think they might have had some Arvo jets, too?

The Midwest had Comair. One of the first to use to CRJ2 in the U.S. I think based out of CVG?

The West Coast had Skywest operating as Delta Connection. I think mostly EMB-120’s?

I might be missing a couple more? It’s been a couple decades.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:27 am

Atlantic Coast Airlines I think was also in business at the time flying for DL around the northeast, Fairchild Dornier 328 jets too, right? Maybe that was later?
Delta Express was running flights between the Northeast and Florida as well, ISP-MCO/FLL(PBI?) were some I know of, and I think ASA also took over SWF-ATL from DL mainline in 1999 as well. Oh, and the classic widget was still widespread mixed with the Ron Allen Scheme.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:08 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
EMB170 wrote:
The 737-300 was mostly[i][/i] but not completely based out of SLC. IIRC the 737-300s as a whole came to DL from WA, so that's where most of the aircraft stayed, was based out west.


-I flew a 733 ATL-HSV-ATL in 2001.


The 733s that stayed out west were the steam gauge cockpit -347s that came from Western. Later, DL acquired a group of EFIS 733s from Germania that were based in ATL. IIRC, there was a separate group of pilots for the 733 EFIS planes.

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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:23 pm

evank516 wrote:
Atlantic Coast Airlines I think was also in business at the time flying for DL around the northeast, Fairchild Dornier 328 jets too, right? Maybe that was later?
Delta Express was running flights between the Northeast and Florida as well, ISP-MCO/FLL(PBI?) were some I know of, and I think ASA also took over SWF-ATL from DL mainline in 1999 as well. Oh, and the classic widget was still widespread mixed with the Ron Allen Scheme.



I believe the ACA flights were a few years later, around 2002-2004Ish, shortly after Business Express became American Eagle and quit flying as Delta Connection in the northeast. For a few years, BEX flew codeshare connector flights for DL/NW/AA. The same flight would have passengers booked on all three airlines. Then it became strictly American Eagle.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:38 pm

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I obviously know that the 727s were replaced by 737-800s/757-200s/MD's, the old 732/733s were replaced by 737-700/737-800/MD's


The 737-700s arrived much later into the DL fleet, from July 2008 onwards for field performance routes, complements the 757 on some hot&high routes.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:45 pm

The ACA 328J operation lasted only like a year. It was clear that it was a poor use of LGA slots with so few seats and DL was in the process of consolidating their Northeast presence to eliminate point to point flying.

Eagle actually bought BEX and that's how it became exclusively AA.

After the end of Delta Express, DL used the 732's on a ton of medium length routes like - ATL-IND, ATL-RIC, ATL-SDF, ATL-CMH, ATL-CLE, ATL-BUF

I flew a DL 732 on DTW-ATL in November 2005 which was pretty close to their retirement. It was my only flight on the type.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:33 pm

drdisque wrote:
The ACA 328J operation lasted only like a year. It was clear that it was a poor use of LGA slots with so few seats and DL was in the process of consolidating their Northeast presence to eliminate point to point flying.

Eagle actually bought BEX and that's how it became exclusively AA.

After the end of Delta Express, DL used the 732's on a ton of medium length routes like - ATL-IND, ATL-RIC, ATL-SDF, ATL-CMH, ATL-CLE, ATL-BUF

I flew a DL 732 on DTW-ATL in November 2005 which was pretty close to their retirement. It was my only flight on the type.


Last one for me was ATL-CLE back in August 2003. Before that it was JAX-CVG in April of that same year.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:29 pm

evank516 wrote:
drdisque wrote:
The ACA 328J operation lasted only like a year. It was clear that it was a poor use of LGA slots with so few seats and DL was in the process of consolidating their Northeast presence to eliminate point to point flying.

Eagle actually bought BEX and that's how it became exclusively AA.

After the end of Delta Express, DL used the 732's on a ton of medium length routes like - ATL-IND, ATL-RIC, ATL-SDF, ATL-CMH, ATL-CLE, ATL-BUF

I flew a DL 732 on DTW-ATL in November 2005 which was pretty close to their retirement. It was my only flight on the type.


Last one for me was ATL-CLE back in August 2003. Before that it was JAX-CVG in April of that same year.


Last for me was January 2006 on ATL-GSO, right before their retirement. I had several flights in 2004-2006 on GSO-ATL/CVG on 737-200s.

The ACA 328s were also flown quite a bit out of BOS. I forget everywhere they flew, but it was a lot of the former Business Express markets. BTV had them for a while, I think BOS had flights to BGR, ISP, JFK and a few more.

ACA actually launched CVG-BTV service during the Comair strike. Delta couldn't add capacity to any market that Comair flew from CVG, but at the time DL didn't have BTV-CVG in the network. Since it was new, ACA added it with some 328s.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:51 pm

Wow I did not know DL operated the 733 - thought it was just -200 until those were retired then the NG's.

I will say I had a fair number of L1011 and 767 flights between ATL-JAX (very short hop) when I was a wee kid shuttling back and forth from Georgia to Minnesota (mid-90's). That is a quite short flight that can be wheels up to wheels down in under an hour but somehow the FA's managed to get everyone a snack and drink - looking back the widebodies seemed to have been a bit excessive - I do remember the L1011 heaven that was Atlanta at the time.
 
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Re: Delta fleet 1999

Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:28 pm

pezzy669 wrote:
Wow I did not know DL operated the 733 - thought it was just -200 until those were retired then the NG's.

I will say I had a fair number of L1011 and 767 flights between ATL-JAX (very short hop) when I was a wee kid shuttling back and forth from Georgia to Minnesota (mid-90's). That is a quite short flight that can be wheels up to wheels down in under an hour but somehow the FA's managed to get everyone a snack and drink - looking back the widebodies seemed to have been a bit excessive - I do remember the L1011 heaven that was Atlanta at the time.


I often forget because I don't associate the 733 with DL- it was more a UA/US plane in my mind at that time.

I find it impressive DL still had a decent number of L-1011s into 2000 in spite of them being gone the next year and that they were still flying TATL until a couple years before the end. Anybody know the rough date of the last L10 TATL flight? The Delta Flight Museum's archived timetables shows they were still doing ATL-MAD/VIE/DUB-SNN in the Fall of '98.
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