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Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:18 pm

For quite some time now HA has been running all 32N on HNL-OGG. No other inter-island route has these regularly scheduled, they are all still 717’s. The route is running 5x daily. My guess for this is increased cargo hold, the ability to social distance better on this plane (2/6 seats per row blocked instead of 2/5), and a way to have enough capacity without having to have an insane amount of frequencies with the 712 (26-28 pre Covid). Lmk any other thoughts u may have.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:54 pm

Perhaps HA could be testing the water, seeing if they can viably use the 32N on the inter island routes. While the virtues of the 717 on these runs have been well documented, could HA be seeing if they can use a more fuel efficient and larger aircraft given the current situation, perhaps they could be on to a winner for the future.
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:11 pm

That sounds to me more like giving Airbus pilots something to fly, given how the west Coast schedule has been decimated.

I wouldn't argue that HNL-OGG needs a flight every 25 minutes from 5AM to midnight, but short-short-haul routes need frequency.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:34 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
That sounds to me more like giving Airbus pilots something to fly, given how the west Coast schedule has been decimated.


I heard it’s to rotate the pilots back in so they stay current.
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:39 pm

It for social distancing and it started June 1st. OGG loads on the 717 were approaching levels that couldn't support the new social distancing policies. I doubt it will be a long term thing.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:29 am

Will the 32S require more maintenance given the added short-cycle and salt air exposure, or is that irrelevant. I always seemed to think that the 717 was selected for the inter-island operation because the engines could cope with the short and frequent cycles and the sea air.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:42 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
Will the 32S require more maintenance given the added short-cycle and salt air exposure, or is that irrelevant. I always seemed to think that the 717 was selected for the inter-island operation because the engines could cope with the short and frequent cycles and the sea air.


They're only operating 5x daily in each direction on HNL-OGG, with 18 aircraft in the fleet. There's no need to turn the aircraft quickly -- even operating with a single aircraft, they can run the schedule with turns scheduled between 40 minutes and an hour. Based on gate assignments, they appear to use two aircraft -- swapping in the afternoon. Doesn't seem like they're working these aircraft all that hard.

And as others have alluded, it's probably useful to keep the A32N pilots current.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:34 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
That sounds to me more like giving Airbus pilots something to fly, given how the west Coast schedule has been decimated.


I would agree with this since otherwise the 321N's would have no flying at all. HA has maintained service to SFO & LAX which I believe is one daily 330 to each, so there's some flying for the 330 crews; severely reduced freqs. but bare-bones 717 intra-island flying for those crews. So yeah, this gives the 321N crews some time to stay current as well. And as mentioned up-thread, the greater cargo capacity may be a good side-effect.
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:40 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Will the 32S require more maintenance given the added short-cycle and salt air exposure, or is that irrelevant. I always seemed to think that the 717 was selected for the inter-island operation because the engines could cope with the short and frequent cycles and the sea air.


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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:15 pm

These flights are not for currency.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:24 pm

azjubilee wrote:
These flights are not for currency.


You say that with remarkable assuredness, as if you have inside info. Care to elaborate?
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Fri Jun 12, 2020 4:43 pm

cathay747 wrote:
azjubilee wrote:
These flights are not for currency.


You say that with remarkable assuredness, as if you have inside info. Care to elaborate?


He already elaborated in reply 5, if you cared to read things before demanding "inside info". Would you like inside financial info too? :roll:
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:42 pm

pilots have to perform 3 landings every 90 days to stay current, or its back to the sim.
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:49 pm

cathay747 wrote:
azjubilee wrote:
These flights are not for currency.


You say that with remarkable assuredness, as if you have inside info. Care to elaborate?

Certainly not for $$$ currency.
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Fri Jun 12, 2020 7:23 pm

cathay747 wrote:
azjubilee wrote:
These flights are not for currency.


You say that with remarkable assuredness, as if you have inside info. Care to elaborate?


I already did but I'll expand. The flights are operated to ensure the social distancing policies can be complied with. 321/330 pilots are going to the simulator to manage their currency requirements. 717 pilots will get this done by flying the line.

Utah744 wrote:
Certainly not for $$$ currency.


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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:06 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
azjubilee wrote:
These flights are not for currency.


You say that with remarkable assuredness, as if you have inside info. Care to elaborate?


He already elaborated in reply 5, if you cared to read things before demanding "inside info". Would you like inside financial info too? :roll:


Smart-ass replies are not necessary to honest questions; I simply forgot he said that in reply 5 which I had read the previous day. And I wasn't "demanding" anything. Jesus, take a pill man. :mad: :gnasher: :talktothehand:
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Re: Hawaiian Airlines ALL 32N on HNL-OGG

Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:10 pm

azjubilee wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
azjubilee wrote:
These flights are not for currency.


You say that with remarkable assuredness, as if you have inside info. Care to elaborate?


I already did but I'll expand. The flights are operated to ensure the social distancing policies can be complied with. 321/330 pilots are going to the simulator to manage their currency requirements. 717 pilots will get this done by flying the line.


Thank you for your civilized & courteous reply, and sorry I forgot what you'd already said up-thread, but this was a great expansion on it. Makes sense, and so much for my theory!
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