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Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:03 pm

From YUL and YYZ, flights to 13 European destinations will be proposed, along with five Sun destinations and an unknown number of domestic routes.



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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:15 pm

They are obviously confident that travel restrictions will be eased by then.
I note that their website says "We are pleased to announce the resumption of our flights and tour operator activities as of July 23, 2020, provided that the travel restrictions applicable on that date allow it"

At the moment leisure flights between Canada and the UK are currently somewhere between being banned (for UK citizens) and impractical (for Canadian citizens).
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:40 pm

GCT64 wrote:
They are obviously confident that travel restrictions will be eased by then.
I note that their website says "We are pleased to announce the resumption of our flights and tour operator activities as of July 23, 2020, provided that the travel restrictions applicable on that date allow it"

At the moment leisure flights between Canada and the UK are currently somewhere between being banned (for UK citizens) and impractical (for Canadian citizens).


Yes, leaving Canada for us Canadians means 14 day quarantine when returning, no word when that's going to be lifted. Border with USA is still completely closed to all but some commercial traffic.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:29 pm

Yep, citizenship restrictions and quarantine requirements need to be lifted for any meaningful recovery to take place.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:07 pm

Domestic destinations will be Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Montreal. No word if YQB will get a domestic link to YUL or not but there will be no Europe flying from Western Canada this summer.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:48 pm

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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:14 pm

If you look at the date specifically, it appears TransAt has been told that restrictions will be lifted by Aug 1st.

TransAt is a package tour operator, so it makes sense that a one week return trip outbound from Canada on the 23rd will return on Aug. 1st with no quarantine.

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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:58 am

ACCS300 wrote:
Border with USA is still completely closed to all but some commercial traffic.

Its not closed for air transportation just ground crossings FYI
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:26 am

First day's cities are CDG, TLS, LGW and FLL.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... july-2020/

Edit: on some of the French routes liste, TS will be alone this summer without any competition from AC.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:36 am

santi319 wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Border with USA is still completely closed to all but some commercial traffic.

Its not closed for air transportation just ground crossings FYI


Non-essential travel is still prohibited. There is a new exemption for non-Canadians arriving to reunite with Canadian family.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/services/co ... s-eng.html
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Fri Jun 12, 2020 1:09 pm

santi319 wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Border with USA is still completely closed to all but some commercial traffic.

Its not closed for air transportation just ground crossings FYI



The US is still essentially still closed to air travel, as a 14 day quarantine upon return doesn't work for many unless they are unemployed, or working from home. The RCMP are apparently actively enforcing this rule, and have visited many homes to ensure compliance.

Pete.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:25 pm

PWA732 wrote:
santi319 wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Border with USA is still completely closed to all but some commercial traffic.

Its not closed for air transportation just ground crossings FYI



The US is still essentially still closed to air travel, as a 14 day quarantine upon return doesn't work for many unless they are unemployed, or working from home. The RCMP are apparently actively enforcing this rule, and have visited many homes to ensure compliance.

Pete.


That's good as the RCMP do not operate in Quebec
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Fri Jun 12, 2020 8:56 pm

jamsco99 wrote:
PWA732 wrote:
santi319 wrote:
Its not closed for air transportation just ground crossings FYI



The US is still essentially still closed to air travel, as a 14 day quarantine upon return doesn't work for many unless they are unemployed, or working from home. The RCMP are apparently actively enforcing this rule, and have visited many homes to ensure compliance.

Pete.


That's good as the RCMP do not operate in Quebec


Dollars to donuts the SQ are just as tough about this, if not tougher.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:23 pm

jamsco99 wrote:
That's good as the RCMP do not operate in Quebec


That is not true. I live in Québec near the US border and RCMP vehicles are omnipresent. From Wikipedia:

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Quebec, which is commonly referred to as "C" Division, plays a federal policing role in the Province of Quebec. Approximately 1,500 police officers, civilian members and public servants dedicate their efforts to a number of business lines, including financial integrity, national and border security, and organized crime enforcement. The RCMP in Quebec relies on dedicated resources to conduct investigations, provide VIP protective services and undertake crime prevention initiatives in communities in all areas of Quebec.


Since the COVID-19 imposed quarantine after returning from abroad is a federal statute and is part of border control, they are very much involved in enforcing it.

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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Fri Jun 12, 2020 11:18 pm

santi319 wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Border with USA is still completely closed to all but some commercial traffic.

Its not closed for air transportation just ground crossings FYI


You will still be in quarantine for 14 days after arriving from any other place out side of Canada. Until the restrictions are lifted, very few if anyone would want to go out of the country.
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Sat Jun 13, 2020 5:11 pm

For all the reasons outlined in earlier posts they will be operating flights with abysmal load factors. Consequently they will lose money on every flight thus contributing to the ultimate collapse of their share price. Air Canada will be happy to watch Transat evaporate as the EU regulators dither. When the EU finally release their findings it will all be moot as Transat will be too far gone to save.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:12 pm

boeing767300 wrote:
For all the reasons outlined in earlier posts they will be operating flights with abysmal load factors. Consequently they will lose money on every flight thus contributing to the ultimate collapse of their share price. Air Canada will be happy to watch Transat evaporate as the EU regulators dither. When the EU finally release their findings it will all be moot as Transat will be too far gone to save.


And their A321s might be available at fire-sale prices... a partial fleet merger without the pesky issue of buying overpriced shares. Or if the prices are not so attractive, they at least will have the advantage of nearly immediate availability.

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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:28 am

A332 C-GTSN has been used between YUL and YQB lately probably for pilots training while C-GPTS has been ferried YMX-YUL on July 9th.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:10 am

I just ran some quick numbers for the first few days of Transats operations resuming to figure out some load factors. This only includes Europe and South flights from July 23 to August 1st. There are a total of 65 flights being operated over these 9 days.

Average for all 65 flights operated:
YUL Avg Load Factor = 50.87%
YYZ Avg Load Factor = 42.57%
Total Avg Load Factor = 47.81%

Outbound stats for people departing Canada:
YUL Avg Outbound Load Factor = 59.18%
YYZ Avg Outbound Load Factor = 41.22%
Total Avg Outbound Load Factor = 52.51%

Honestly it's not too terrible. Most routes will operate at a loss but averaging almost 50% loads on the first week of flying after Covid seems pretty decent to me. Hopefully once the mandatory 14 day quarantine is lifted in Canada loads will pick up again. The A321neoLR's may be Transats saving grace during these difficult times. I'm excited to see them back in the air!
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:32 am

ryan78 wrote:
I just ran some quick numbers for the first few days of Transats operations resuming to figure out some load factors. This only includes Europe and South flights from July 23 to August 1st. There are a total of 65 flights being operated over these 9 days.

Average for all 65 flights operated:
YUL Avg Load Factor = 50.87%
YYZ Avg Load Factor = 42.57%
Total Avg Load Factor = 47.81%

Outbound stats for people departing Canada:
YUL Avg Outbound Load Factor = 59.18%
YYZ Avg Outbound Load Factor = 41.22%
Total Avg Outbound Load Factor = 52.51%

Honestly it's not too terrible. Most routes will operate at a loss but averaging almost 50% loads on the first week of flying after Covid seems pretty decent to me. Hopefully once the mandatory 14 day quarantine is lifted in Canada loads will pick up again. The A321neoLR's may be Transats saving grace during these difficult times. I'm excited to see them back in the air!


The numbers aren’t too bad as a base to work from, but there are certainly risks in trying to restart significant operations at this stage.

Agree that using smaller aircraft will certainly assist in ensuring operational flexibility can be achieved.

Unless the global COVID situation is controlled, opening up country borders with no quarantine risk significant issues developing, which could have even higher effects on business.

I know we all want things to return to normal, but things have to be considered first. We want the best for the economy and the health of people, so can only hope that any decisions taken are well thought through.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:39 pm

ACCS300 wrote:
GCT64 wrote:
They are obviously confident that travel restrictions will be eased by then.
I note that their website says "We are pleased to announce the resumption of our flights and tour operator activities as of July 23, 2020, provided that the travel restrictions applicable on that date allow it"

At the moment leisure flights between Canada and the UK are currently somewhere between being banned (for UK citizens) and impractical (for Canadian citizens).


Yes, leaving Canada for us Canadians means 14 day quarantine when returning, no word when that's going to be lifted. Border with USA is still completely closed to all but some commercial traffic.

I recall reading an article online a week or two ago stating that the quarantine requirement was extended until August 31. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see it extended further, perhaps lifted for arrivals from some countries but remaining in place for others. Given the current state of the virus in the US, it's hard to imagine the quarantine requirement being lifted by then for arrivals from the US.
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:43 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
A332 C-GTSN has been used between YUL and YQB lately probably for pilots training while C-GPTS has been ferried YMX-YUL on July 9th.


It's shown up at YOW too along with at least 1 A321.

ryan78 wrote:
I just ran some quick numbers for the first few days of Transats operations resuming to figure out some load factors. This only includes Europe and South flights from July 23 to August 1st. There are a total of 65 flights being operated over these 9 days.

Average for all 65 flights operated:
YUL Avg Load Factor = 50.87%
YYZ Avg Load Factor = 42.57%
Total Avg Load Factor = 47.81%

Outbound stats for people departing Canada:
YUL Avg Outbound Load Factor = 59.18%
YYZ Avg Outbound Load Factor = 41.22%
Total Avg Outbound Load Factor = 52.51%

Honestly it's not too terrible. Most routes will operate at a loss but averaging almost 50% loads on the first week of flying after Covid seems pretty decent to me. Hopefully once the mandatory 14 day quarantine is lifted in Canada loads will pick up again. The A321neoLR's may be Transats saving grace during these difficult times. I'm excited to see them back in the air!


Considering domestic Covid-19 cases have spiked 21% in the past week, that won't be happening anytime soon. As things open up (in my opinion too quickly) domestically, it'll just prolong any international quarantine easing.
 
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:50 pm

I find that have bet well on the A321LR neo! Also I can't wait to see pictures of air transat KSAN
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Re: Air Transat to gradually resume flights from July 23rd

Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:56 am

Average load factor of 50% is not bad taking into account the fact that travellers can only be Europeans/Canadians returning home and students starting college abroad.

On CDG-YUL sector on an A321neo with 2 flights per week that's about 200 people. AF and AC are there too.

Somehow I'm still wondering who's flying international long haul these days.

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