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OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:03 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2D GYE-MIA AUG 0>0.3[0] SEP 0>0.3[0] OCT 0>0.2[0]

*3M ELH-MCO AUG 0.3>0[0.3] DEC 0.2>0[0.4] JAN 0.3>0[0.3] FEB 0.3>0[0.3] MAR 0.3>0[0.4] APR 0.3>0[0.3]
3M FLL-GHB AUG 0.7>0.5[0.6]

4B ABQ-CNM SEP 0.1>0.9[2] OCT 0>0.8[2] NOV 0>0.8[1.7] DEC 0>0.8[2]
4B CNM-DFW SEP 0.0>0.5[1.0] OCT 0>0.5[1.0] NOV 0>0.5[0.9] DEC 0>0.5[1.0]

*9K BOS-PWM AUG 4>0[0] SEP 4>0[1.7] OCT 4>0[4] NOV 4>0[4] DEC 4>0[4] JAN 4>0[4] FEB 4>0[4] MAR 4>0[4] APR 4>0[0]

9X ACK-HYA AUG 3>6[0] SEP 2>5[0] OCT 0.6>1.7[0]
9X ACK-OWD AUG 1.6>3[0.7] SEP 0.9>1.9[0.7] OCT 0.1>0.6[0.4]
9X ACK-PVD AUG 1.6>3[1.0] SEP 1.0>2[1.0] OCT 0.3>0.7[0.5]
9X HNL-MKK AUG 6>7[0] SEP 5>6[0] OCT 5>6[0] NOV 5>6[0.1] DEC 5>6[0.0]
9X HYA-OWD AUG 1.5>2[0] SEP 1.0>1.6[0] OCT 0.3>0.6[0]
9X MKK-OGG AUG 5>6[0] SEP 5>6[0] OCT 5>6[0.4] NOV 5>6[0.1] DEC 5>6[0]

AA CLT-ECP AUG 2>3[2] SEP 2>3[2] OCT 2>3[2] NOV 2>3[2.0] DEC 2>3[2.0] JAN 2>3[2] FEB 2>3[2] MAR 2>3[2] APR 2>3[3]
AA DFW-FCA AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0] SEP 1.0>2[1.0] OCT 0.2>0.4[0.1]
AA DFW-JAC AUG 2>3[2]
AA DFW-RAP SEP 2>3[2]
AA DFW-SRQ OCT 1.0>1.8[0.9] JAN 2>1.2[1.2] FEB 2>1.0[1.0] MAR 1.8>1.0[1.1] APR 2>1.0[1.1]
AA FCA-ORD SEP 0.3>1.0[0.1] OCT 0>0.2[0]
I'm sure the lack of intl traffic to/from Walmart HQ is the reason
**AA PHL-XNA AUG 0.5>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0.9] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[0.2]

AF ATL-CDG AUG 2>1.0[2]
AF BOS-CDG AUG 2>0.5[1.6]
AF CDG-DFW AUG 0.7>0[0.7]
AF CDG-DTW AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AF CDG-IAD AUG 2>0[2]
AF CDG-IAH AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AF CDG-JFK AUG 5>2.0[4]
AF CDG-LAX AUG 2>1.4[2]
AF CDG-MIA AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AF CDG-MSP AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AF CDG-ORD AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AF CDG-SEA AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AF CDG-SFO AUG 3>0.4[2]
AF JFK-ORY AUG 1.0>0[1.0]

*AS ANC-DUT FEB 2>0[0] MAR 2>0[0] APR 2>0[0]
**AS MRY-SEA FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0]

AV DFW-SAL AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AV EWR-SAL AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AV GUA-LAX AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AV IAD-SAL AUG 3>1.0[3]
AV IAH-SAL AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AV JFK-SAL AUG 2>1.0[2]
AV LAX-SAL AUG 4>2[3]
AV MIA-SAL AUG 1.0>0.5[1.0]
AV SAL-SFO AUG 2>0.5[2]

Schedule extension and February is a partial month
B6 ABQ-JFK JAN 0.1>0.6[0.6]
B6 ALB-FLL JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 ALB-MCO JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 ANU-JFK JAN 0.1>0.5[0.5]
B6 ATL-BOS JAN 0.3>3[4] FEB 0>1.2[4]
B6 ATL-FLL JAN 0.3>1.6[3] FEB 0>0.6[2]
B6 ATL-JFK JAN 0.3>1.9[2] FEB 0>0.7[1.6]
B6 ATL-MCO JAN 0.1>0.6[1.0]
B6 AUA-BOS JAN 0.5>1.9[1.7] FEB 0>0.5[2]
B6 AUA-FLL JAN 0.1>0.6[0.7] FEB 0>0.2[0.6]
B6 AUA-JFK JAN 0.4>1.8[1.5] FEB 0>0.5[1.8]
B6 AUS-BOS JAN 0.1>2[1.7] FEB 0>1.0[1.8]
B6 AUS-FLL JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 AUS-JFK JAN 0.2>1.6[1.9] FEB 0>0.5[1.9]
B6 AUS-LGB JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 AUS-MCO JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BDA-JFK JAN 0.1>0.5[0.6] FEB 0>0.2[0.6]
B6 BDL-FLL JAN 0.3>2[1.9] FEB 0>0.7[1.9]
B6 BDL-MCO JAN 0.3>2[2] FEB 0>0.7[3]
B6 BDL-PBI JAN 0.1>1.0[1.7] FEB 0>0.4[2]
B6 BDL-RSW JAN 0.1>1.0[1.7] FEB 0>0.4[2.0]
B6 BDL-SJU JAN 0.4>2.1[1.9] FEB 0>0.7[1.9]
B6 BDL-TPA JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BGI-BOS JAN 0.1>0.3[0.3]
B6 BGI-JFK JAN 0.3>1.8[1.9] FEB 0>0.6[2]
B6 BNA-BOS JAN 0.1>1.5[1.4] FEB 0>0.5[1.6]
B6 BNA-FLL JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.2]
B6 BNA-JFK JAN 0.3>1.6[0] FEB 0>0.5[0]
B6 BOG-FLL JAN 0.2>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOG-MCO JAN 0.1>0.5[0.6]
B6 BOS-BUF JAN 0.3>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[3]
B6 BOS-BUR JAN 0.1>1.0[0.7] FEB 0>0.4[0.9]
B6 BOS-BWI JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.6[4]
B6 BOS-CHS JAN 0.3>1.1[1.1] FEB 0>0.4[2.0]
B6 BOS-CLE JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.2[2]
B6 BOS-CLT JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.5[4]
B6 BOS-CUN JAN 0.2>0.9[0.8] FEB 0>0.3[1.0]
B6 BOS-DCA JAN 1.8>15[13] FEB 0>5[13]
B6 BOS-DEN JAN 0.2>1.8[1.7] FEB 0>0.7[1.8]
B6 BOS-DFW JAN 0.1>2[1.6] FEB 0>1.0[1.4]
B6 BOS-DTW JAN 0.3>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[3]
B6 BOS-EWR JAN 0.8>6[7] FEB 0>2[5]
B6 BOS-FLL JAN 0.9>5[6] FEB 0>1.8[6]
B6 BOS-IAH JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-JAX JAN 0.3>1.9[2] FEB 0>0.7[1.9]
B6 BOS-JFK JAN 0.5>5[5] FEB 0>2[5]
B6 BOS-LAS JAN 0.4>3[4] FEB 0>1.3[3]
B6 BOS-LAX JAN 0.5>4[4] FEB 0>1.4[4]
B6 BOS-LGA JAN 1.1>9[5] FEB 0>3[5]
B6 BOS-LGB JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-MCO JAN 1.1>7[6] FEB 0>3[8]
B6 BOS-MSP JAN 0.1>1.7[3] FEB 0>0.7[2]
B6 BOS-MSY JAN 0.1>1.4[1.6] FEB 0>0.5[1.9]
B6 BOS-ORD JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.5[3]
B6 BOS-PAP JAN 0.1>0.3[0.3]
B6 BOS-PBI JAN 0.9>5[5] FEB 0>1.6[6]
B6 BOS-PHL JAN 0.5>7[7] FEB 0>3[6]
B6 BOS-PHX JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-PIT JAN 0.4>4[5] FEB 0>1.6[4]
B6 BOS-RDU JAN 0.4>4[5] FEB 0>1.7[4]
B6 BOS-RIC JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.2[4]
B6 BOS-ROC JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-RSW JAN 0.8>5[5] FEB 0>1.8[7]
B6 BOS-SAN JAN 0.2>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[2]
B6 BOS-SAV JAN 0.3>1.7[1.2] FEB 0>0.6[1.9]
B6 BOS-SDQ JAN 0.4>1.5[1.9] FEB 0>0.4[1.1]
B6 BOS-SEA JAN 0.2>1.8[1.9] FEB 0>0.7[1.8]
B6 BOS-SFO JAN 0.5>5[5] FEB 0>1.7[5]
B6 BOS-SJU JAN 0.5>3.3[3.6] FEB 0>1.1[3.1]
B6 BOS-SLC JAN 0.1>0.6[0.8]
B6 BOS-SRQ JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.6]
B6 BOS-STI JAN 0.3>1.8[1.1] FEB 0>0.5[1.0]
B6 BOS-SYR JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-TPA JAN 0.6>4[4] FEB 0>1.3[6]
B6 BQN-FLL JAN 0.1>1.0[0.6]
B6 BQN-JFK JAN 0.3>1.1[1.5]
B6 BQN-MCO JAN 0.3>1.1[1.5]
B6 BTV-JFK JAN 0.3>3[3] FEB 0>1.1[3]
B6 BUF-FLL JAN 0.1>0.7[1.0] FEB 0>0.2[1.0]
B6 BUF-JFK JAN 0.5>5[5] FEB 0>1.8[4]
B6 BUF-LAX JAN 0.1>0.6[0.6]
B6 BUF-MCO JAN 0.1>0.9[1.0] FEB 0>0.3[1.0]
B6 BUR-JFK JAN 0.1>1.7[1.6] FEB 0>0.7[1.7]
B6 CHS-FLL JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 CHS-JFK JAN 0.3>2[2.0] FEB 0>0.7[2.0]
B6 CLE-FLL JAN 0.1>0.6[1.0]
B6 CTG-FLL JAN 0.3>0.9[0.7] FEB 0>0.2[0.6]
B6 CTG-JFK JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[0.8]
B6 CUN-FLL JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 CUN-JFK JAN 0.4>2[1.4] FEB 0>0.8[1.7]
B6 CUN-MCO JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 CUR-JFK JAN 0.1>0.4[0.4]
B6 DCA-FLL JAN 0.6>6[6] FEB 0>2[6]
B6 DCA-MCO JAN 0.5>4[4] FEB 0>1.4[4]
B6 DCA-PBI JAN 0.3>2[1.9] FEB 0>0.7[1.9]
B6 DCA-RSW JAN 0.1>1.0[2] FEB 0>0.4[3]
B6 DCA-SJU JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0]
B6 DEN-JFK JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 EWR-FLL JAN 0.8>6[5] FEB 0>1.9[5]
B6 EWR-MCO JAN 1.0>6[7] FEB 0>2[6]
B6 EWR-PBI JAN 0.5>4[3] FEB 0>1.4[4]
B6 EWR-RSW JAN 0.3>1.7[1.9] FEB 0>0.6[3]
B6 EWR-SDQ JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 EWR-SJU JAN 0.3>1.9[2.3] FEB 0>0.7[2.5]
B6 EWR-STI JAN 0.3>1.5[1.9] FEB 0>0.4[1.9]
B6 EWR-TPA JAN 0.3>1.7[2] FEB 0>0.6[3]
B6 FLL-GCM JAN 0.1>0.4[0.6]
B6 FLL-GYE JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 FLL-HAV JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[3]
B6 FLL-HPN JAN 0.3>2[2] FEB 0>0.7[2.0]
B6 FLL-JAX JAN 0.5>3[3] FEB 0>1.1[3]
B6 FLL-JFK JAN 1.3>8[8] FEB 0>3[8]
B6 FLL-KIN JAN 0.6>1.5[2] FEB 0>0.4[1.8]
B6 FLL-LAS JAN 0.1>1.8[1.6] FEB 0>0.7[1.4]
B6 FLL-LAX JAN 0.5>5[4] FEB 0>1.8[3]
B6 FLL-LGA JAN 0.3>2[4] FEB 0>0.7[4]
B6 FLL-LIM JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 FLL-MBJ JAN 0.1>1.0[1.3] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 FLL-MDE JAN 0.1>0.9[0.9] FEB 0>0.2[0.7]
B6 FLL-MSY JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.4]
B6 FLL-NAS JAN 0.5>1.9[3] FEB 0>0.5[3]
B6 FLL-ORD JAN 0.1>0.8[1.0] FEB 0>0.2[1.0]
ORH closure appears temporary
*B6 FLL-ORH AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 FLL-PAP JAN 0.4>1.2[1.3] FEB 0>0.4[1.6]
B6 FLL-PHL JAN 0.3>1.1[1.8] FEB 0>0.4[1.9]
B6 FLL-PHX JAN 0.1>0.7[1.0] FEB 0>0.2[1.0]
B6 FLL-PLS JAN 0.1>0.6[0.7]
B6 FLL-POS JAN 0.1>0.5[0.5]
B6 FLL-PUJ JAN 0.1>0.5[0.4]
B6 FLL-PVD JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 FLL-RDU JAN 0.1>1.5[2] FEB 0>0.6[2]
B6 FLL-RIC JAN 0.4>1.3[2] FEB 0>0.4[2]
B6 FLL-SAN JAN 0.1>0.6[0.6]
B6 FLL-SDQ JAN 0.3>0.8[1.0]
B6 FLL-SFO JAN 0.3>3[2] FEB 0>1.1[2]
B6 FLL-SJO JAN 0.3>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.2[1.0]
B6 FLL-SJU JAN 0.8>4[5] FEB 0>1.4[5]
B6 FLL-SLC JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 FLL-SWF JAN 0.1>0.9[1.0] FEB 0>0.3[1.0]
B6 FLL-SXM JAN 0.1>0.5[0.6]
B6 FLL-UIO JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 GCM-JFK JAN 0.1>0.9[1.0] FEB 0>0.3[1.0]
B6 GND-JFK JAN 0.2>1.0[0.9] FEB 0>0.4[0.9]
B6 GYE-JFK JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 HPN-MCO JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.1[3]
B6 HPN-PBI JAN 0.8>4[5] FEB 0>1.4[5]
B6 HPN-RSW JAN 0.3>1.1[1.7] FEB 0>0.4[2]
B6 HPN-TPA JAN 0.1>1.9[1.0] FEB 0>0.7[1.0]
B6 IAH-JFK JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 JAX-JFK JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.1[3]
B6 JFK-KIN JAN 0.5>3[3] FEB 0>0.7[3]
B6 JFK-LAS JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.4[3]
B6 JFK-LAX JAN 1.2>9[9] FEB 0>3[10]
B6 JFK-LGB JAN 0.2>1.8[1.9] FEB 0>0.7[1.8]
B6 JFK-LIR JAN 0.1>0.4[0.8]
B6 JFK-MBJ JAN 0.4>1.7[2] FEB 0>0.4[1.6]
B6 JFK-MCO JAN 1.2>8[7] FEB 0>3[9]
B6 JFK-MSY JAN 0.3>1.1[1.1] FEB 0>0.4[2]
B6 JFK-NAS JAN 0.3>1.1[1.2] FEB 0>0.4[1.6]
B6 JFK-ONT JAN 0.1>0.6[0.7]
B6 JFK-ORD JAN 0.1>1.7[1.8] FEB 0>0.7[2.0]
*B6 JFK-ORH AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 0.6>0[1.0] JAN 0.0>0.4[1.0]
B6 JFK-PAP JAN 0.3>1.1[1.3] FEB 0>0.4[1.3]
B6 JFK-PBI JAN 0.8>5[5] FEB 0>1.6[5]
B6 JFK-PDX JAN 0.1>0.6[0.7]
B6 JFK-PHX JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 JFK-PLS JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.1]
B6 JFK-POP JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 JFK-POS JAN 0.3>1.1[1.2] FEB 0>0.4[1.6]
B6 JFK-PSE JAN 0.1>0.9[0.8]
B6 JFK-PSP JAN 0.1>0.7[0.8] FEB 0>0.2[0.8]
B6 JFK-PTP JAN 0.1>0.5[0]
B6 JFK-PUJ JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 JFK-RDU JAN 0.3>2[1.9] FEB 0>0.7[1.9]
B6 JFK-RNO JAN 0.1>0.6[0.6]
B6 JFK-ROC JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.1[3]
B6 JFK-RSW JAN 0.5>2[2] FEB 0>0.7[4]
B6 JFK-SAN JAN 0.2>3[1.9] FEB 0>1.1[1.8]
B6 JFK-SAV JAN 0.3>2[2] FEB 0>0.7[2.0]
B6 JFK-SDQ JAN 0.9>5[6] FEB 0>1.6[4]
B6 JFK-SEA JAN 0.1>1.7[1.6] FEB 0>0.7[1.8]
B6 JFK-SFO JAN 0.6>6[6] FEB 0>2[6]
B6 JFK-SJC JAN 0.1>0.6[0.7]
B6 JFK-SJO JAN 0.1>0.5[0.4]
B6 JFK-SJU JAN 0.8>5[6] FEB 0>1.9[5]
B6 JFK-SLC JAN 0.3>2[2.0] FEB 0>0.7[2]
B6 JFK-SMF JAN 0.3>0.7[0.8]
B6 JFK-SRQ JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.6]
B6 JFK-STI JAN 0.9>5[6] FEB 0>1.5[4]
B6 JFK-SXM JAN 0.3>1.1[0.9] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 JFK-SYR JAN 0.3>2[2] FEB 0>0.7[2]
B6 JFK-TPA JAN 0.5>3[3] FEB 0>0.9[4]
B6 JFK-UVF JAN 0.3>1.3[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 LAS-LGB JAN 0.3>2[3] FEB 0>0.7[3]
B6 LAX-MCO JAN 0.1>0.6[0.9]
B6 LGA-MCO JAN 0.3>2[3] FEB 0>0.7[3]
B6 LGA-PBI JAN 0.3>2[3] FEB 0>0.7[3]
B6 LGB-PDX JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 LGB-RNO JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 LGB-SEA JAN 0.1>1.0[1.2] FEB 0>0.4[2.0]
B6 LGB-SFO JAN 0.3>2[2] FEB 0>0.7[2]
B6 LGB-SLC JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.1[3]
B6 MBJ-MCO JAN 0.3>0.9[0.8] FEB 0>0.2[0.9]
B6 MCO-NAS JAN 0.1>0.7[0.8] FEB 0>0.2[0.8]
*B6 MCO-ORH AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 MCO-PSE JAN 0.3>1.1[1.4]
B6 MCO-PVD JAN 0.3>1.6[1.9] FEB 0>0.5[2.0]
B6 MCO-RIC JAN 0.4>2[1.6] FEB 0>0.7[2]
B6 MCO-SDQ JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 MCO-SJO JAN 0.3>1.1[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 MCO-SJU JAN 0.8>5[6] FEB 0>1.4[4]
B6 MCO-SLC JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 MCO-SWF JAN 0.1>0.9[1.0] FEB 0>0.3[1.0]
B6 MCO-SYR JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.2]
B6 PBI-PVD JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 SJU-TPA JAN 0.3>1.2[1.7]

Looks like BA will return to LGW in Fall as of now
*BA JFK-LGW AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0.2[1.0]

CM MCO-PTY SEP 0.7>2.0[5] OCT 0.7>2[4]
CM MIA-PTY SEP 1.0>2.0[6] OCT 1.0>2[6]

CZ CAN-JFK AUG 1.9>0[2]
CZ CAN-LAX AUG 1.4>0.2[1.0]
CZ CAN-SFO AUG 1.0>0[0.9]
CZ JFK-WUH AUG 0.5>0[0.5] SEP 0.4>0[0.4] OCT 0.5>0.1[0.4]
CZ LAX-SHE AUG 0.4>0[0.5] SEP 0.4>0[0.4] OCT 0.5>0.1[0.5]
CZ SFO-WUH AUG 0.4>0[0.5]

DE FRA-SEA AUG 1.0>0[1.0]

DI AUS-LGW AUG 0.4>0[0.5]
DI BOS-LGW AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
DI DEN-LGW AUG 0.4>0[0.5]
DI JFK-LGW AUG 3>0[2]
DI LAX-LGW AUG 1.3>0[1.1]
DI LGW-MCO AUG 0.7>0[1.0]
DI LGW-MIA AUG 0.8>0[1.0]
DI LGW-ORD AUG 0.6>0[0.5]
DI LGW-SEA AUG 0.6>0[0.5]
DI LGW-SFO AUG 0.8>0[0.7]
DI LGW-TPA AUG 0.5>0[0.3]

ASE will operate from LAX, but not SLC? Odd...
DL ASE-LAX JAN 1.1>0.6[1.2] FEB 1.0>0.5[1.0] MAR 1.0>0.5[0.9] APR 1.0>0.5[0]
**DL ASE-SLC AUG 2>0[2.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.4>0[1.3] JAN 2>0[2] FEB 2>0[2] MAR 2>0[2] APR 2>0[1.9]
**DL ATL-AVP AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[0.9] FEB 1.0>0[0.8] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[0.0]
Interesting to see so much Europe come back
*DL ATL-BCN AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.8]
*DL ATL-DUB AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.8]
*DL ATL-EWN AUG 2>0[2] SEP 2>0[2] OCT 2>0[2] NOV 2>0[2] DEC 2>0[1.9] JAN 2>0[1.8] FEB 2>0[1.8] MAR 2>0[2.0] APR 2>0[2]
*DL ATL-FCO AUG 0>0.4[2]
**DL ATL-FNT AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[3] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[2]
*DL ATL-FSM AUG 1.8>0[1.9] SEP 1.9>0[1.9] OCT 1.8>0[1.9] NOV 1.9>0[1.7] DEC 1.8>0[1.9] JAN 1.8>0[1.7] FEB 1.9>0[1.8] MAR 1.9>0[1.9] APR 1.9>0[1.9]
DL ATL-GGT NOV 0.7>0[0.6] DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
DL ATL-GIG AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0.3[1.0]
*DL ATL-MAD AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.9]
**DL ATL-PIA AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[3] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]
DL ATL-SCL AUG 1.0>0.5[1.0]
DL ATL-SDQ SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.4>0.8[1.4]
**DL AVP-DTW AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[2] NOV 3>0[2] DEC 1.9>0[1.9] JAN 1.8>0[2] FEB 1.9>0[2] MAR 1.9>0[3] APR 1.9>0[3]
**DL BGR-LGA AUG 4>0[4] SEP 4>0[4] OCT 4>0[4] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 2>0[2] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[2]
**DL DTW-ERI AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[3] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[2] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[2]
DL LAX-PVG AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[0.8] OCT 1.0>0.3[0.9]
**DL LNK-MSP AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[2] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]
DL MEX-MSP SEP 1.0>0.0[0.8] OCT 1.0>0[0.8] NOV 1.0>0[0.6] DEC 1.0>0.5[0.7]
**DL MSP-PIA AUG 0.8>0[0.9] SEP 0.8>0[0.8] OCT 0.9>0[0.9] NOV 0.9>0[0.8] DEC 0.5>0[0.6] JAN 0.8>0[0.7] FEB 0.9>0[0.8] MAR 0.9>0[0.9] APR 0.9>0[0.9]
**DL MSP-XWA AUG 3>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[1.4] NOV 2>0[1.9] DEC 2>0[1.9] JAN 3>0[1.9] FEB 3>0[1.9] MAR 3>0[2] APR 3>0[2]
DL PEK-SEA AUG 1.0>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[0.8] OCT 0.8>0[0.9]
**DL SBA-SLC AUG 3>0[1.8] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[3] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]

DY AMS-JFK AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
DY ATH-JFK AUG 0.6>0[0.5]
DY AUS-CDG AUG 0.4>0[0]
DY BCN-FLL AUG 0.5>0[0.3]
DY BCN-JFK AUG 1.0>0[0]
DY BCN-LAX AUG 0.9>0[0.9]
DY BCN-ORD AUG 0.6>0[0.6]
DY BCN-SFO AUG 0.6>0[0]
DY BOS-CDG AUG 0.7>0[0.5]
DY BOS-FCO AUG 0.6>0[0.5]
DY CDG-DEN AUG 0.6>0[0.4]
DY CDG-FLL AUG 0.4>0[0.4]
DY CDG-JFK AUG 1.3>0[1.0]
DY CDG-LAX AUG 1.1>0[1.2]
DY CDG-MCO AUG 0.3>0[0.3]
DY CDG-ORD AUG 0.7>0[0]
DY CDG-SFO AUG 0.4>0[0]
DY DEN-FCO AUG 0.4>0[0]
DY FCO-JFK AUG 1.0>0[0]
DY FCO-LAX AUG 0.7>0[0.6]
DY FCO-ORD AUG 0.6>0[0]
DY FCO-SFO AUG 0.4>0[0]
DY FLL-OSL AUG 0.3>0[0.3]
DY JFK-OSL AUG 0.6>0[0.7]
DY LAX-MAD AUG 0.4>0[0.5]
DY LAX-OSL AUG 0.3>0[0.3]
DY OSL-SFO AUG 0.3>0[0]

ET ABJ-JFK AUG 0.5>0[0.4]
ET ADD-ORD AUG 0.8>0.4[0.7]
ET IAH-LFW AUG 0.6>0.3[0]

*F9 AUS-IAD AUG 0.3>0[0.6] SEP 0.4>0[0.6] OCT 0.4>0[0.6]
*F9 BOI-DEN AUG 0.2>0[0.3] SEP 0.3>0[0.3] OCT 0.3>0[0.3]
F9 CUN-ORD AUG 0.5>0.3[0.7]
F9 CUN-STL AUG 0.5>0.2[0.6]
*F9 DEN-JAC AUG 0.2>0[0.4] SEP 0.3>0[0.3] OCT 0.3>0[0.1]
*F9 DEN-JAN AUG 0.2>0[0.3] SEP 0.3>0[0.3] OCT 0.3>0[0.3]
*F9 IAD-MCO AUG 0.4>0[0.6] SEP 0.6>0[0.6] OCT 0.6>0[0.6] NOV 0.8>0.6[0.2]
*F9 MIA-SDQ AUG 0.2>0[0] SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.3>0[0]
*F9 PHL-PUJ AUG 0.3>0[0.6] SEP 0.4>0[0.5] OCT 0.4>0[0.4]

FJ LAX-NAN AUG 1.0>0.7[1.0]

I4 CGA-KLW AUG 4>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[3] JAN 3>0[0] FEB 3>0[0] MAR 3>0[0] APR 3>0[0]

JQ HNL-MEL AUG 0.3>0[0.4]
JQ HNL-SYD AUG 0.5>0[0.7]

NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]
NK CLT-EWR AUG 1.9>1.0[1.0] SEP 2>1.0[1.0] OCT 2>1.0[1.0] NOV 2>1.0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]

TA MGA-MIA AUG 1.0>0.3[1.0]

TP BOS-LIS AUG 1.4>0.4[1.0]
TP LIS-MIA AUG 2>0.5[1.0]

TS MCO-YUL AUG 0.6>0[0.3] SEP 0.3>0[0.1] OCT 0.3>0[0.1]
TS MCO-YYZ AUG 0.3>0[0.3]
TS MSY-YUL AUG 0.3>0[0] SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.3>0[0]
TS SAN-YUL AUG 0.4>0[0] SEP 0.4>0[0] OCT 0.4>0[0]

**UA CUU-IAH AUG 0.9>0[1.0] SEP 1.0>0[1.0] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[0]
**UA EWR-MAN OCT 0.3>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[0]
UA EWR-SNN APR 1.0>0[0]
UA IAH-PBI DEC 1.0>0.8[1.5] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.2] FEB 1.0>0.5[1.0] MAR 1.0>0.5[2.0] APR 1.0>0.5[1.0]

UX JFK-MAD AUG 1.0>0.3[1.0]
UX MAD-MIA AUG 1.0>0.3[1.0]

WN BHM-MCO AUG 1.4>1.7[1.4]
WN BWI-PNS AUG 0.1>0.4[0]
WN CHS-DAL AUG 0.5>0.8[1.0]
WN CHS-MDW AUG 1.7>2[2]
WN CMH-RSW AUG 1.2>1.5[1.1]
WN DAL-PNS AUG 1.3>1.6[1.1]
WN DEN-DTW AUG 1.6>1.9[2.0]
WN ECP-HOU AUG 1.2>1.8[1.1]
WN ECP-STL AUG 0.7>1.0[0.5]
WN HOU-PNS AUG 1.1>1.4[1.0]
WN IND-MDW AUG 0.7>1.0[1.2]
WN IND-TPA AUG 1.2>1.5[1.4]
WN LAS-LGB AUG 0.7>1.0[3]
WN MCO-ORF AUG 0.7>1.0[1.2]
WN MDW-RSW AUG 2>3[2]

WO LAS-YEG SEP 0.9>0.5[1.0]
WO LAS-YHM SEP 0.6>0.3[0.6]
WO LAS-YWG SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.2>0[0]
 
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:13 pm

Great work! Thank you.

I think there will be more International cancellation for first two weeks of July will be coming. US supposed to review the travel ban every 30 days. But so far there was no review last week so this policy is likely to be extended to 13th July. My guess is many US-EU flights for first half of July will be cancelled or significantly reduced next week. If no further news about the travel ban by end of June, the August schedule will be adjusted accordingly too! Here I mean US3 and EU4 (EU3 plus TP), excluding DI+DY which already cancelled a lot schedule for August.
 
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:14 pm

Not strange at all that DL would fly from LAX rather than SLC to Aspen. They can fill up a plane in LA with high fare local traffic. SLC would mostly be lower yielding connections. Better use of assets.
 
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:16 pm

Thanks for your work.

DL is planning a modest resumption of TATL for August but lots of other TATL carriers cut August schedules. Either those schedules were heavy (just placeholders) that hadn't been pared back yet, or parties are recognizing that infection rates are still high (and even growing in some places) leaving us a long way from normal.
 
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:47 pm

Im surprised that DL are adding transatlantic routes that they cut but yet there’s still a travel ban in place and infection rates in US are still very high. Do they know something we don’t about a ban being lifted?
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:01 pm

Thanks Enilria, as always for your great work on this thread.

Interesting but not surprising that ATL won out over JFK for getting the initial TATL adds. The part that surprises me most about DL’s TATL adds is how they are being done, which is essentially ATL direct to non-primary (AMS, CDG, LHR) Europe.

If you’d have asked me last week how DL’s return would look, I would have guessed gradual increases in DL hub flights to AMS/CDG, and sending connecting pax onward from there. That way the AMS/CDG frequencies could easily be increased or decreased as TATL demand allowed, with minimal pax impacts. I was not expecting to see most of these smaller European stations return until ATL/JFK/DTW all had multiple daily flights to AMS/CDG again, as the smaller stations are much harder to drop flights without significantly impacting the bookings on them.
 
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:06 pm

enilria wrote:
Interesting to see so much Europe come back
*DL ATL-BCN AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.8]
*DL ATL-DUB AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.8]
*DL ATL-FCO AUG 0>0.4[2]
*DL ATL-MAD AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.9]


There has been a significant spike in bookings for reopened countries:
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In the span of around 10 days bookings went from 0% to 30-35% of previous levels, I'd say its a solid calculation that there will likely be enough demand to sustain 3x weekly service in August on most of these routes, especially with ample feed thru ATL

enilria wrote:
NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]


NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:13 pm

enilria wrote:
B6 ATL-BOS JAN 0.3>3[4] FEB 0>1.2[4]
B6 AUA-BOS JAN 0.5>1.9[1.7] FEB 0>0.5[2]
B6 AUS-BOS JAN 0.1>2[1.7] FEB 0>1.0[1.8]
B6 BGI-BOS JAN 0.1>0.3[0.3]
B6 BNA-BOS JAN 0.1>1.5[1.4] FEB 0>0.5[1.6]
B6 BOS-BUF JAN 0.3>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[3]
B6 BOS-BUR JAN 0.1>1.0[0.7] FEB 0>0.4[0.9]
B6 BOS-BWI JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.6[4]
B6 BOS-CHS JAN 0.3>1.1[1.1] FEB 0>0.4[2.0]
B6 BOS-CLE JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.2[2]
B6 BOS-CLT JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.5[4]
B6 BOS-CUN JAN 0.2>0.9[0.8] FEB 0>0.3[1.0]
B6 BOS-DCA JAN 1.8>15[13] FEB 0>5[13]
B6 BOS-DEN JAN 0.2>1.8[1.7] FEB 0>0.7[1.8]
B6 BOS-DFW JAN 0.1>2[1.6] FEB 0>1.0[1.4]
B6 BOS-DTW JAN 0.3>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[3]
B6 BOS-EWR JAN 0.8>6[7] FEB 0>2[5]
B6 BOS-FLL JAN 0.9>5[6] FEB 0>1.8[6]
B6 BOS-IAH JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-JAX JAN 0.3>1.9[2] FEB 0>0.7[1.9]
B6 BOS-JFK JAN 0.5>5[5] FEB 0>2[5]
B6 BOS-LAS JAN 0.4>3[4] FEB 0>1.3[3]
B6 BOS-LAX JAN 0.5>4[4] FEB 0>1.4[4]
B6 BOS-LGA JAN 1.1>9[5] FEB 0>3[5]
B6 BOS-LGB JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-MCO JAN 1.1>7[6] FEB 0>3[8]
B6 BOS-MSP JAN 0.1>1.7[3] FEB 0>0.7[2]
B6 BOS-MSY JAN 0.1>1.4[1.6] FEB 0>0.5[1.9]
B6 BOS-ORD JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.5[3]
B6 BOS-PAP JAN 0.1>0.3[0.3]
B6 BOS-PBI JAN 0.9>5[5] FEB 0>1.6[6]
B6 BOS-PHL JAN 0.5>7[7] FEB 0>3[6]
B6 BOS-PHX JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-PIT JAN 0.4>4[5] FEB 0>1.6[4]
B6 BOS-RDU JAN 0.4>4[5] FEB 0>1.7[4]
B6 BOS-RIC JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.2[4]
B6 BOS-ROC JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-RSW JAN 0.8>5[5] FEB 0>1.8[7]
B6 BOS-SAN JAN 0.2>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[2]
B6 BOS-SAV JAN 0.3>1.7[1.2] FEB 0>0.6[1.9]
B6 BOS-SDQ JAN 0.4>1.5[1.9] FEB 0>0.4[1.1]
B6 BOS-SEA JAN 0.2>1.8[1.9] FEB 0>0.7[1.8]
B6 BOS-SFO JAN 0.5>5[5] FEB 0>1.7[5]
B6 BOS-SJU JAN 0.5>3.3[3.6] FEB 0>1.1[3.1]
B6 BOS-SLC JAN 0.1>0.6[0.8]
B6 BOS-SRQ JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.6]
B6 BOS-STI JAN 0.3>1.8[1.1] FEB 0>0.5[1.0]
B6 BOS-SYR JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-TPA JAN 0.6>4[4] FEB 0>1.3[6]



It looks like B6 does not plan to draw down its presence in Boston come 2021. I count 152.5 flights (daily avg.) in Jan 2021 v. 151.4 in Jan 2020. Given the slow recovery from the ongoing crisis, I would expect some reductions across all focus cities.Not sure if this is B6 attempting to defend BOS v. not thinking that far out yet..

Changes by Station ex. BOS

Notable Increases:
LGA: +4.0
DCA: +2.0
MCO: +1.0
STI: +0.7
SAV: +0.5

Notable Decreases:
MSP: (1.3)
PIT: (1.0)
LAS: (1.0)
RDU: (1.0)
EWR: (1.0)
ATL: (1.0)
FLL: (1.0)
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:15 pm

You mention that it looks like BA is going back to LGW.

I wonder what that means for stations like MCO and TPA? Will we see a return of flights from LGW in those markets?
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:16 pm

Enilira, you mention that it looks like BA is going back to LGW.

I wonder what that means for stations like MCO and TPA? Will we see a return of flights from LGW in those markets?

As always, thanks for what you do.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:18 pm

**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]

Good way to use aircraft as its a relatively short flight and I would guess most of these flights continue on to Florida. Also taking advantage of the fact that B6 has suspended BWI and WN is down to something like 2x daily.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:19 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
Interesting to see so much Europe come back
*DL ATL-BCN AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.8]
*DL ATL-DUB AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.8]
*DL ATL-FCO AUG 0>0.4[2]
*DL ATL-MAD AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.9]


There has been a significant spike in bookings for reopened countries:
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In the span of around 10 days bookings went from 0% to 30-35% of previous levels, I'd say its a solid calculation that there will likely be enough demand to sustain 3x weekly service in August on most of these routes, especially with ample feed thru ATL

enilria wrote:
NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]


NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently


Great information here. I'd like to know whether this data is includes all origins / airlines or if it is USA / Delta-specific. I would certainly expect a substantial rise in intra-Europe bookings. However, I'd expect USA-Southern Europe traffic to by significantly lower than the proportions shown on these charts
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:38 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Great work! Thank you.

I think there will be more International cancellation for first two weeks of July will be coming. US supposed to review the travel ban every 30 days. But so far there was no review last week so this policy is likely to be extended to 13th July. My guess is many US-EU flights for first half of July will be cancelled or significantly reduced next week. If no further news about the travel ban by end of June, the August schedule will be adjusted accordingly too! Here I mean US3 and EU4 (EU3 plus TP), excluding DI+DY which already cancelled a lot schedule for August.

:)
I hadn't thought about that, but it seems overly optimistic for Delta to put all that flying back when Americans are basically not allowed into any country.
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Thanks Enilria, as always for your great work on this thread.

Interesting but not surprising that ATL won out over JFK for getting the initial TATL adds. The part that surprises me most about DL’s TATL adds is how they are being done, which is essentially ATL direct to non-primary (AMS, CDG, LHR) Europe.

If you’d have asked me last week how DL’s return would look, I would have guessed gradual increases in DL hub flights to AMS/CDG, and sending connecting pax onward from there. That way the AMS/CDG frequencies could easily be increased or decreased as TATL demand allowed, with minimal pax impacts. I was not expecting to see most of these smaller European stations return until ATL/JFK/DTW all had multiple daily flights to AMS/CDG again, as the smaller stations are much harder to drop flights without significantly impacting the bookings on them.

:)
I think that would create a lot of double connects and people are least comfortable with connecting these days I think.
dfwking wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
Interesting to see so much Europe come back
*DL ATL-BCN AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.8]
*DL ATL-DUB AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.8]
*DL ATL-FCO AUG 0>0.4[2]
*DL ATL-MAD AUG 0>0.4[1.0] SEP 0>0.4[1.0] OCT 0>0.3[0.9]


There has been a significant spike in bookings for reopened countries:
Image

In the span of around 10 days bookings went from 0% to 30-35% of previous levels, I'd say its a solid calculation that there will likely be enough demand to sustain 3x weekly service in August on most of these routes, especially with ample feed thru ATL

enilria wrote:
NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]


NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently


Great information here. I'd like to know whether this data is includes all origins / airlines or if it is USA / Delta-specific. I would certainly expect a substantial rise in intra-Europe bookings. However, I'd expect USA-Southern Europe traffic to by significantly lower than the proportions shown on these charts

That demand is all intra-Europe, though.
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]


NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently

NK's Planning VP for the last 18 months or so is the former Air Tran Planning Director and BWI-BOS was a very successful route for AirTran.
dfwking wrote:
It looks like B6 does not plan to draw down its presence in Boston come 2021.

No surprise. DL will take any inch they concede.
holeham wrote:
You mention that it looks like BA is going back to LGW.

I wonder what that means for stations like MCO and TPA? Will we see a return of flights from LGW in those markets?

My guess is that not until the long term. While they have a surplus of LHR slots that stuff will be at LHR. I think they will have a surplus for at least a couple of years.
aaflyer777 wrote:
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]

Good way to use aircraft as its a relatively short flight and I would guess most of these flights continue on to Florida. Also taking advantage of the fact that B6 has suspended BWI and WN is down to something like 2x daily.

Although...Amtrak. It's a long train ride, but which do you feel safer on? Certainly the LGA shuttle routes have been severely hit.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:00 pm

enilria wrote:
dfwking wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

There has been a significant spike in bookings for reopened countries:
Image

In the span of around 10 days bookings went from 0% to 30-35% of previous levels, I'd say its a solid calculation that there will likely be enough demand to sustain 3x weekly service in August on most of these routes, especially with ample feed thru ATL



NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently


Great information here. I'd like to know whether this data is includes all origins / airlines or if it is USA / Delta-specific. I would certainly expect a substantial rise in intra-Europe bookings. However, I'd expect USA-Southern Europe traffic to by significantly lower than the proportions shown on these charts

That demand is all intra-Europe, though.


While a lot may be European leisure, VFR travel is what is really driving the increase, which is good for US-Europe demand. In other words a sizable amount of demand for people who, by August, have been stuck abroad for almost half a year & now feel it is safe to return.

At 3x weekly & reopened economies, inbound VFR is likely enough to fill large O&D airports like FCO, MAD, & BCN especially with competition way down.

Looking at Italy specifically, refunds are way down, and purchases are climbing
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:21 pm

JetSuite X (doesn't report to the OAG) announced MRY to BUR and SNA will now start on July 2 (delayed from Apr 17). Also announced some brand new routes: LAS to DAL effective June 19, and DAL and HPN to Pinehurst (SOP) effective June 25. JSX had previously planned to open BFI-PDX on Apr 2 and RNO from BUR and LAS on May 5, no start date for those routes yet.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:33 pm

enilria wrote:

NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]


Or they have so many fewer nonstops from BOS than they had previously but they still have some of those routes from BWI so they’re focusing on connecting passengers in BWI.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:45 pm

enilria wrote:
AF CDG-DTW AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AF CDG-JFK AUG 5>2.0[4]
AF CDG-LAX AUG 2>1.4[2]
AF CDG-MSP AUG 1.0>0[1.0]
AF CDG-ORD AUG 1.0>1.5[1.0]
AF CDG-SEA AUG 1.0>0[1.0]

This is interesting. AF cutting flights to DL hubs but adding to ORD??
Does this follow the same logic as DL not adding flights to AMS/CDG but to other cities in Europe?
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:18 pm

I wonder if some of those DL cuts are due to additional CRJ-200 retirements. A lot of the ATL/DTW cuts seem like CRJ-200 drops.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:28 pm

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I wonder if some of those DL cuts are due to additional CRJ-200 retirements. A lot of the ATL/DTW cuts seem like CRJ-200 drops.


The 200 drops are due to the cities DL got approval to drop under the CARES act. There are many cities which will see 200 flying that normally didn’t, pre-COVID. I’d only expect to see a net drop in 200 hills of around 36 birds.
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:46 pm

dfwking wrote:
enilria wrote:
B6 ATL-BOS JAN 0.3>3[4] FEB 0>1.2[4]
B6 AUA-BOS JAN 0.5>1.9[1.7] FEB 0>0.5[2]
B6 AUS-BOS JAN 0.1>2[1.7] FEB 0>1.0[1.8]
B6 BGI-BOS JAN 0.1>0.3[0.3]
B6 BNA-BOS JAN 0.1>1.5[1.4] FEB 0>0.5[1.6]
B6 BOS-BUF JAN 0.3>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[3]
B6 BOS-BUR JAN 0.1>1.0[0.7] FEB 0>0.4[0.9]
B6 BOS-BWI JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.6[4]
B6 BOS-CHS JAN 0.3>1.1[1.1] FEB 0>0.4[2.0]
B6 BOS-CLE JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.2[2]
B6 BOS-CLT JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.5[4]
B6 BOS-CUN JAN 0.2>0.9[0.8] FEB 0>0.3[1.0]
B6 BOS-DCA JAN 1.8>15[13] FEB 0>5[13]
B6 BOS-DEN JAN 0.2>1.8[1.7] FEB 0>0.7[1.8]
B6 BOS-DFW JAN 0.1>2[1.6] FEB 0>1.0[1.4]
B6 BOS-DTW JAN 0.3>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[3]
B6 BOS-EWR JAN 0.8>6[7] FEB 0>2[5]
B6 BOS-FLL JAN 0.9>5[6] FEB 0>1.8[6]
B6 BOS-IAH JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-JAX JAN 0.3>1.9[2] FEB 0>0.7[1.9]
B6 BOS-JFK JAN 0.5>5[5] FEB 0>2[5]
B6 BOS-LAS JAN 0.4>3[4] FEB 0>1.3[3]
B6 BOS-LAX JAN 0.5>4[4] FEB 0>1.4[4]
B6 BOS-LGA JAN 1.1>9[5] FEB 0>3[5]
B6 BOS-LGB JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-MCO JAN 1.1>7[6] FEB 0>3[8]
B6 BOS-MSP JAN 0.1>1.7[3] FEB 0>0.7[2]
B6 BOS-MSY JAN 0.1>1.4[1.6] FEB 0>0.5[1.9]
B6 BOS-ORD JAN 0.3>4[4] FEB 0>1.5[3]
B6 BOS-PAP JAN 0.1>0.3[0.3]
B6 BOS-PBI JAN 0.9>5[5] FEB 0>1.6[6]
B6 BOS-PHL JAN 0.5>7[7] FEB 0>3[6]
B6 BOS-PHX JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-PIT JAN 0.4>4[5] FEB 0>1.6[4]
B6 BOS-RDU JAN 0.4>4[5] FEB 0>1.7[4]
B6 BOS-RIC JAN 0.4>3[3] FEB 0>1.2[4]
B6 BOS-ROC JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-RSW JAN 0.8>5[5] FEB 0>1.8[7]
B6 BOS-SAN JAN 0.2>3[3] FEB 0>1.0[2]
B6 BOS-SAV JAN 0.3>1.7[1.2] FEB 0>0.6[1.9]
B6 BOS-SDQ JAN 0.4>1.5[1.9] FEB 0>0.4[1.1]
B6 BOS-SEA JAN 0.2>1.8[1.9] FEB 0>0.7[1.8]
B6 BOS-SFO JAN 0.5>5[5] FEB 0>1.7[5]
B6 BOS-SJU JAN 0.5>3.3[3.6] FEB 0>1.1[3.1]
B6 BOS-SLC JAN 0.1>0.6[0.8]
B6 BOS-SRQ JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.6]
B6 BOS-STI JAN 0.3>1.8[1.1] FEB 0>0.5[1.0]
B6 BOS-SYR JAN 0.1>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.4[1.0]
B6 BOS-TPA JAN 0.6>4[4] FEB 0>1.3[6]



It looks like B6 does not plan to draw down its presence in Boston come 2021. I count 152.5 flights (daily avg.) in Jan 2021 v. 151.4 in Jan 2020. Given the slow recovery from the ongoing crisis, I would expect some reductions across all focus cities.Not sure if this is B6 attempting to defend BOS v. not thinking that far out yet..

Changes by Station ex. BOS

Notable Increases:
LGA: +4.0
DCA: +2.0
MCO: +1.0
STI: +0.7
SAV: +0.5

Notable Decreases:
MSP: (1.3)
PIT: (1.0)
LAS: (1.0)
RDU: (1.0)
EWR: (1.0)
ATL: (1.0)
FLL: (1.0)


The schedules this far out are written in erasable ink given all that is going on


I was talking to a manager in BOS the other day. “The high frequency short haul business routes out of Boston are in trouble at the moment.”

And in all sincerity, I believe that.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:13 pm

Eirules wrote:
Im surprised that DL are adding transatlantic routes that they cut but yet there’s still a travel ban in place and infection rates in US are still very high. Do they know something we don’t about a ban being lifted?


Absolutely. That is why this all has to be understood as very tentative. I am also not sure of how to read the adds. Does DL think that there will be enough folks doing business deemed necessary (and thus such pax are able to enter even with the ban), or do they think that countries like Spain and Italy will be open to Americans in August? I really, really doubt they will open to Americans by mid-August given how high our infection rate is, unless the Europeans have enough rapid tests that they can basically screen folks in the airports. Bottom line is it seems like they are trying to build schedules around these complex variables.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:35 pm

Chuska wrote:
JetSuite X (doesn't report to the OAG) announced MRY to BUR and SNA will now start on July 2 (delayed from Apr 17). Also announced some brand new routes: LAS to DAL effective June 19, and DAL and HPN to Pinehurst (SOP) effective June 25. JSX had previously planned to open BFI-PDX on Apr 2 and RNO from BUR and LAS on May 5, no start date for those routes yet.

Makes sense, switching to more leisure flights and delaying/canceling the more business type of routes.

Looks like this is their long reported expansion out of West Coast. DAL for middle of country and HPN for each coast.

Midwestindy wrote:
While a lot may be European leisure, VFR travel is what is really driving the increase, which is good for US-Europe demand. In other words a sizable amount of demand for people who, by August, have been stuck abroad for almost half a year & now feel it is safe to return.

At 3x weekly & reopened economies, inbound VFR is likely enough to fill large O&D airports like FCO, MAD, & BCN especially with competition way down.

Looking at Italy specifically, refunds are way down, and purchases are climbing

None of that changes the fact that travel restriction is in place. Maybe they think it will be eased by then. If there is no easing by mid July, I think they will get pushed back again. I wouldn't take any international schedule more than a month out that seriously at the moment.

dfwking wrote:
It looks like B6 does not plan to draw down its presence in Boston come 2021. I count 152.5 flights (daily avg.) in Jan 2021 v. 151.4 in Jan 2020. Given the slow recovery from the ongoing crisis, I would expect some reductions across all focus cities.Not sure if this is B6 attempting to defend BOS v. not thinking that far out yet..

Changes by Station ex. BOS

Notable Increases:
LGA: +4.0
DCA: +2.0
MCO: +1.0
STI: +0.7
SAV: +0.5

Notable Decreases:
MSP: (1.3)
PIT: (1.0)
LAS: (1.0)
RDU: (1.0)
EWR: (1.0)
ATL: (1.0)
FLL: (1.0)

I wouldn't take schedule this far out very seriously right now. This is just a simple extension of their previous schedules. I can't see these business routes returning to their frequencies until corporate booking is back.

I'd be very impressed if they can even fly 80% of this schedule in January unless business demand comes back a lot sooner than expected.

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]


NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently

I don't see that last. I'm thinking this is probably a filing error. A route that depends on a combination of business travel and connection traffic is not exactly the kind of stuff that needs 150% additional traffic in this type of market.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:38 pm

I think the answer to why DL is scheduling all these transatlantic flights is actually very simple: it is more or less of a win-win situation for Delta.
Either the COVID-19 situation improves a lot between now and then and DL will shuttle packed flights back and forth, or the situation does not improve at which point DL simply cancels the flights, gives out vouchers and retains the cash.

Either way, DL gets the money.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:46 pm

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Not strange at all that DL would fly from LAX rather than SLC to Aspen. They can fill up a plane in LA with high fare local traffic. SLC would mostly be lower yielding connections. Better use of assets.

What are you trying to day here? I have a feeling what you have to say is probably right, but you haven't expressed it. Your general statement is obviously not true, becasue we know the hub and spoke system works well. Is there something specific about this market that makes it true here?
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:07 pm

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jasoncrh wrote:
Not strange at all that DL would fly from LAX rather than SLC to Aspen. They can fill up a plane in LA with high fare local traffic. SLC would mostly be lower yielding connections. Better use of assets.

What are you trying to day here? I have a feeling what you have to say is probably right, but you haven't expressed it. Your general statement is obviously not true, becasue we know the hub and spoke system works well. Is there something specific about this market that makes it true here?

Theres enough people from Los Angeles to fill a flight to aspen with good fares. That’s all.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:23 pm

Just to clarify, AS announced SEA-MRY back in Jan, to start on 6/18. But COVID has delayed the inaugural.

So about a year after being announced, the route will actually begin flying (hopefully.)

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Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:27 pm

Aliqiout wrote:
jasoncrh wrote:
Not strange at all that DL would fly from LAX rather than SLC to Aspen. They can fill up a plane in LA with high fare local traffic. SLC would mostly be lower yielding connections. Better use of assets.

What are you trying to day here? I have a feeling what you have to say is probably right, but you haven't expressed it. Your general statement is obviously not true, becasue we know the hub and spoke system works well. Is there something specific about this market that makes it true here?

Hollywood loves Aspen....
Big dollar passengers who really don’t care what the fare is, as long as it is convenient. Lots of private jet traffic between the LA area and ASE every day, even now.
Someone is paying attention to where the high yield traffic is still going to.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:32 pm

SANFan wrote:
Just to clarify, AS announced SEA-MRY back in Jan, to start on 6/18. But COVID has delayed the inaugural.

So about a year after being announced, the route will actually begin flying (hopefully.)

bb

MRY is a regular stop for me. I would prefer AS, for sure.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:44 pm

Not trying to day anything. I was saying, in response to Enilria’s post, that delta probably decided to put their assets where they money is. Hub and spoke works well, but sometimes if you have to make a choice between two options, you go with the one that will make you more money. The LA market can fill up a plane to Aspen with high fares mostly with people from LA going to Aspen. You don’t need to fill up the plane with connecting passengers, who are lower yielding. Salt lake, while an efficient hub, would primarily consist of people connecting to get to Aspen. Lower yield. Delta puts its plane where the high yield demand is, and that’s LA

Aliqiout wrote:
jasoncrh wrote:
Not strange at all that DL would fly from LAX rather than SLC to Aspen. They can fill up a plane in LA with high fare local traffic. SLC would mostly be lower yielding connections. Better use of assets.

What are you trying to day here? I have a feeling what you have to say is probably right, but you haven't expressed it. Your general statement is obviously not true, becasue we know the hub and spoke system works well. Is there something specific about this market that makes it true here?
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:57 pm

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I think the answer to why DL is scheduling all these transatlantic flights is actually very simple: it is more or less of a win-win situation for Delta.
Either the COVID-19 situation improves a lot between now and then and DL will shuttle packed flights back and forth, or the situation does not improve at which point DL simply cancels the flights, gives out vouchers and retains the cash.

Either way, DL gets the money.


Except DL can not cancel the flights, give out voucher, and keep the cash. The government has already weighed in a few times and a class-action lawsuit will be coming soon, I can almost guarantee. If someone buys a service for a date and you don’t provide that service, you don’t get to keep the money. If that’s their thinking, they’re going to be spending a lot more money on those attorney fees and refunds than they would just refunding the money as requested.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:07 pm

Flflyer83 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
I think the answer to why DL is scheduling all these transatlantic flights is actually very simple: it is more or less of a win-win situation for Delta.
Either the COVID-19 situation improves a lot between now and then and DL will shuttle packed flights back and forth, or the situation does not improve at which point DL simply cancels the flights, gives out vouchers and retains the cash.

Either way, DL gets the money.


Except DL can not cancel the flights, give out voucher, and keep the cash. The government has already weighed in a few times and a class-action lawsuit will be coming soon, I can almost guarantee. If someone buys a service for a date and you don’t provide that service, you don’t get to keep the money. If that’s their thinking, they’re going to be spending a lot more money on those attorney fees and refunds than they would just refunding the money as requested.


In fairness, DL has been giving out refunds for 90+ minute schedule changes or cancellations (although the time they are taking to process those refunds could be improved).

But your point remains valid. If DL schedules ATL-BCN/DUS/etc. and then later drops the flight, they have to provide a refund. On the other hand, if DL offers multiple daily ATL-AMS departing at say 20:00 & 21:20, and decides to drop one of those flights, DL is well within their right to simply move pax to the other AMS flight and not offer refunds. I get the point another poster is making about pax not wanting to double connect right now in AMS/CDG, but DL could be on the hook for more refunds if demand doesn’t materialize.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:39 pm

kavok wrote:
Flflyer83 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
I think the answer to why DL is scheduling all these transatlantic flights is actually very simple: it is more or less of a win-win situation for Delta.
Either the COVID-19 situation improves a lot between now and then and DL will shuttle packed flights back and forth, or the situation does not improve at which point DL simply cancels the flights, gives out vouchers and retains the cash.

Either way, DL gets the money.


Except DL can not cancel the flights, give out voucher, and keep the cash. The government has already weighed in a few times and a class-action lawsuit will be coming soon, I can almost guarantee. If someone buys a service for a date and you don’t provide that service, you don’t get to keep the money. If that’s their thinking, they’re going to be spending a lot more money on those attorney fees and refunds than they would just refunding the money as requested.


In fairness, DL has been giving out refunds for 90+ minute schedule changes or cancellations (although the time they are taking to process those refunds could be improved).

But your point remains valid. If DL schedules ATL-BCN/DUS/etc. and then later drops the flight, they have to provide a refund. On the other hand, if DL offers multiple daily ATL-AMS departing at say 20:00 & 21:20, and decides to drop one of those flights, DL is well within their right to simply move pax to the other AMS flight and not offer refunds. I get the point another poster is making about pax not wanting to double connect right now in AMS/CDG, but DL could be on the hook for more refunds if demand doesn’t materialize.


Part of this may simply be driven by their self-imposed seating caps. Markets which they just added for August are DUB, FCO, MAD, BCN. Those currently have service planned from JFK (all of them) and BOS (DUB only) already. They may be seeing those flights filling up to their 60% capacity limit.

Of course all this will depend on whether the travel restrictions are lifted by Aug 1. Right now, the EU looks ready to lift restrictions against some non-EU travelers by July 1. The US will likely not be included in that round, but maybe they have some indication that things may change by August (also depends on whether or when the US will lift restrictions on EU travelers to the US).
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:41 pm

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Thanks Enilria, as always for your great work on this thread.

Interesting but not surprising that ATL won out over JFK for getting the initial TATL adds. The part that surprises me most about DL’s TATL adds is how they are being done, which is essentially ATL direct to non-primary (AMS, CDG, LHR) Europe.

If you’d have asked me last week how DL’s return would look, I would have guessed gradual increases in DL hub flights to AMS/CDG, and sending connecting pax onward from there. That way the AMS/CDG frequencies could easily be increased or decreased as TATL demand allowed, with minimal pax impacts. I was not expecting to see most of these smaller European stations return until ATL/JFK/DTW all had multiple daily flights to AMS/CDG again, as the smaller stations are much harder to drop flights without significantly impacting the bookings on them.


Your observation is understandable, but is based on partial information.
This weeks schedule data for DL is somewhat misleading, as it does not present what DL/AF/KL are operating to AMS and CDG.
Had this data been presented, than you would have noticed that DL/AF/KL are precisely doing what you promote.
DL/AF/KL focus primarily on hub-to-hub routes in order to push as much traffic as possible over the Joint Venture TATL hubs.
The August non-stop frequencies from ATL to Southern Europe are planned, as traffic is expected to rebound sufficiently to offer at least some direct services in addition to the hub-hub traffic.

From the DL Network thread, TATL in July:

JFK in July:
- JFK-AMS A333 (Daily) + KL 2x daily = 3x daily
- JFK-CDG A333 (Daily) + AF 2x daily = 3x daily
- JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)

SEA in July: starts July 16th
- SEA-AMS A339 (Daily) = 1x daily

ATL in July:
- ATL-AMS A333 (Su x2, M, Tu x2, W, Th x2, F, Sa x2) + KL 1x Daily = 3x Daily on four days
- ATL-CDG A333 (Daily) + AF 1x Daily = 2x Daily
- ATL-FRA A333 (Tu, Th, Sa)
- ATL-LOS A332 (Tu, Th, Sa)
- ATL-LHR A333 (Su, M, W, F)


DTW in July:
- DTW-AMS A359 (1x Daily)
- DTW-CDG A359 (Su, M, W, F)
- DTW-LHR 76W (Tu, Th, Sa)

There is also AF and KL from LAX, SFO, IAH, ORD, BOS, etc...to AMS + CDG.

- AMS will get 8x daily from DL hubs
- CDG gets 5x daily from DL hubs

So your proposal is correct.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:07 pm

I wonder when we might see DL add trans Atlantic service back to SLC. Hopefully sooner than later! I would think AMS would come on line first before CDG or LHR.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:08 pm

Thanks as always for the Sunday read!

enilria wrote:
I'm sure the lack of intl traffic to/from Walmart HQ is the reason
**AA PHL-XNA AUG 0.5>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0.9] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[0.2]

Likely, though I'm not sure this route was ever really that necessary. At the time PHL started, DFW had something like 10 dailies to XNA, with ORD having ~6x or so, as well as 2x to LAX.


enilria wrote:
*DL ATL-FSM AUG 1.8>0[1.9] SEP 1.9>0[1.9] OCT 1.8>0[1.9] NOV 1.9>0[1.7] DEC 1.8>0[1.9] JAN 1.8>0[1.7] FEB 1.9>0[1.8] MAR 1.9>0[1.9] APR 1.9>0[1.9]

I do wonder if and when FSM will ever return. Even before this mess, FSM wasn't really growing in traffic, and all DL ever could make work was 2 CR2s a day. People will sometimes group FSM into the XNA area but I really can't see much in the way of DL traffic transferring to XNA versus just being handed over to AA. AA will like the higher fares they'll be able to charge now that they'll be the only ones in town.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:21 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
While a lot may be European leisure, VFR travel is what is really driving the increase, which is good for US-Europe demand. In other words a sizable amount of demand for people who, by August, have been stuck abroad for almost half a year & now feel it is safe to return.

At 3x weekly & reopened economies, inbound VFR is likely enough to fill large O&D airports like FCO, MAD, & BCN especially with competition way down.

Looking at Italy specifically, refunds are way down, and purchases are climbing

None of that changes the fact that travel restriction is in place. Maybe they think it will be eased by then. If there is no easing by mid July, I think they will get pushed back again. I wouldn't take any international schedule more than a month out that seriously at the moment.


Spain is reopening to overseas visitors in July.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -from-july

tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]


NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently

I don't see that last. I'm thinking this is probably a filing error. A route that depends on a combination of business travel and connection traffic is not exactly the kind of stuff that needs 150% additional traffic in this type of market.


Well its in google flights as 5x daily....
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:23 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
While a lot may be European leisure, VFR travel is what is really driving the increase, which is good for US-Europe demand. In other words a sizable amount of demand for people who, by August, have been stuck abroad for almost half a year & now feel it is safe to return.

At 3x weekly & reopened economies, inbound VFR is likely enough to fill large O&D airports like FCO, MAD, & BCN especially with competition way down.

Looking at Italy specifically, refunds are way down, and purchases are climbing

None of that changes the fact that travel restriction is in place. Maybe they think it will be eased by then. If there is no easing by mid July, I think they will get pushed back again. I wouldn't take any international schedule more than a month out that seriously at the moment.


Spain is reopening to overseas tourists in July.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -from-july

tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:


NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently

I don't see that last. I'm thinking this is probably a filing error. A route that depends on a combination of business travel and connection traffic is not exactly the kind of stuff that needs 150% additional traffic in this type of market.


Well its in google flights as 5x daily....

Bos msy was also 2x daily for 2 weeks and then they reverted it.

As for Europe, I am of the understanding that the schengen zone as a whole was thinking of extending a ban of foreign visitors until end of September.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:24 pm

kavok wrote:
Interesting but not surprising that ATL won out over JFK for getting the initial TATL adds. The part that surprises me most about DL’s TATL adds is how they are being done, which is essentially ATL direct to non-primary (AMS, CDG, LHR) Europe.

If you’d have asked me last week how DL’s return would look, I would have guessed gradual increases in DL hub flights to AMS/CDG, and sending connecting pax onward from there. That way the AMS/CDG frequencies could easily be increased or decreased as TATL demand allowed, with minimal pax impacts. I was not expecting to see most of these smaller European stations return until ATL/JFK/DTW all had multiple daily flights to AMS/CDG again, as the smaller stations are much harder to drop flights without significantly impacting the bookings on them.


The ATL adds for August are a little misleading actually - bear in mind that DL hasn't actually cut their JFK-Europe schedules for August (yet?) before they added these ATL ones. Originally when they started cutting summer TATL in the spring, they dropped ATL-FCO/MXP/VCE/DUB/MAD/BCN, but kept most of those from JFK; the restart of the JFK ones then got rolled forward from June to July and now to August. As of now, they have not adjusted August yet, which is a little curious that they have now added more for August.

As it currently stands, August to Europe looks like this from JFK and ATL:

JFK:
LHR, EDI, DUB, AMS, BRU, CDG, FRA, ZRH, MXP, FCO, MAD, BCN, LIS, ATH, TLV

ATL:
LHR, DUB, AMS, BRU, CDG, FRA, MUC, STR, DUS, FCO, MAD, BCN
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:30 pm

jb1087xna wrote:
Thanks as always for the Sunday read!

enilria wrote:
I'm sure the lack of intl traffic to/from Walmart HQ is the reason
**AA PHL-XNA AUG 0.5>0[0] SEP 1.0>0[0.9] OCT 1.0>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[0.2]

Likely, though I'm not sure this route was ever really that necessary. At the time PHL started, DFW had something like 10 dailies to XNA, with ORD having ~6x or so, as well as 2x to LAX.


enilria wrote:
*DL ATL-FSM AUG 1.8>0[1.9] SEP 1.9>0[1.9] OCT 1.8>0[1.9] NOV 1.9>0[1.7] DEC 1.8>0[1.9] JAN 1.8>0[1.7] FEB 1.9>0[1.8] MAR 1.9>0[1.9] APR 1.9>0[1.9]

I do wonder if and when FSM will ever return. Even before this mess, FSM wasn't really growing in traffic, and all DL ever could make work was 2 CR2s a day. People will sometimes group FSM into the XNA area but I really can't see much in the way of DL traffic transferring to XNA versus just being handed over to AA. AA will like the higher fares they'll be able to charge now that they'll be the only ones in town.

Envoy has a maint base in XNA, that is likely part of it.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:31 pm

factsonly wrote:
From the DL Network thread, TATL in July:

JFK in July:
- JFK-AMS A333 (Daily) + KL 2x daily = 3x daily
- JFK-CDG A333 (Daily) + AF 2x daily = 3x daily
- JFK-TLV A333 (Su, W, F, Sa)



JFK is also getting LIS and ATH nonstops back (for now) starting 16 July. They also just upgauged the JFK-ATH from a 763 back to the A333 and both JFK-AMS and JFK-CDG from the 764 to the A333 for July. And in June, JFK-AMS was originally only 3x weekly but they have now increased that to daily for the second half of June.

And an interesting fact about who is actually on these planes across the Atlantic these days - besides Americans/Europeans with dual citizenship/residence, and families of the US military - Chinese students galore! Due to the severe reduction in nonstop flights between the US and China, there is such a huge demand from Chinese students in the US, that many of them are now resorting to going through Europe (especially AMS) in order to get home. I was on DL46 JFK-AMS last week and there were many Chinese students in the Main Cabin (and the KLM flight leaving an hour later also had at least half a planeload of Chinese students!)
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:36 pm

tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:

None of that changes the fact that travel restriction is in place. Maybe they think it will be eased by then. If there is no easing by mid July, I think they will get pushed back again. I wouldn't take any international schedule more than a month out that seriously at the moment.


Spain is reopening to overseas tourists in July.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -from-july

tphuang wrote:

I don't see that last. I'm thinking this is probably a filing error. A route that depends on a combination of business travel and connection traffic is not exactly the kind of stuff that needs 150% additional traffic in this type of market.


Well its in google flights as 5x daily....

Bos msy was also 2x daily for 2 weeks and then they reverted it.

As for Europe, I am of the understanding that the schengen zone as a whole was thinking of extending a ban of foreign visitors until end of September.


They can change their mind, but if it is on NK's schedule for two weeks it isn't a filing error

Well, the restrictions aren't in place until September now, so why would DL sit and wait for the EU to potentially extend travel restrictions while UA & AA add European flights in July?
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:41 pm

It appears that US airlines aren’t changing much for JUL. I would have thought that flights to NYC, LAS, ORD, DFW, etc would be modified to get more flights. I especially thought that NYC would be handling more flights as the numbers go down.

Hopefully July will be busy for air travel.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:42 pm

I have found this website to be one of the more informative ones about EU/Schengen travel restrictions:

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/o ... om-july-1/
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:48 pm

Should we expect AA & UA making similar moves and potentially extending their AUG/SEP/OCT shedules to "secondary" European cities?
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:12 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
enilria wrote:
NK is going to go hard after market share during COVID it appears
**NK BOS-BWI AUG 1.9>5[2] SEP 1.8>5[1.8] OCT 1.7>5[1.7] NOV 1.8>5[1.9] DEC 1.0>2[1.0]


NK's network planning team was given the green light to do everything and anything apparently

I don't see that last. I'm thinking this is probably a filing error. A route that depends on a combination of business travel and connection traffic is not exactly the kind of stuff that needs 150% additional traffic in this type of market.[/quote]

Looks legitimate. A choice of 5 Nonstop flights is bookable on NKs website between BOS and BWI starting in August, 1 x 319, 4 x 320s. Now, will all 5 of these operate come Aug 1? That’s another question. Interesting choice of routes for NK to saturate. I believe this will be tied with ATL-FLL for NKs highest frequency route.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:31 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Spain is reopening to overseas tourists in July.....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -from-july



Well its in google flights as 5x daily....

Bos msy was also 2x daily for 2 weeks and then they reverted it.

As for Europe, I am of the understanding that the schengen zone as a whole was thinking of extending a ban of foreign visitors until end of September.


They can change their mind, but if it is on NK's schedule for two weeks it isn't a filing error

Well, the restrictions aren't in place until September now, so why would DL sit and wait for the EU to potentially extend travel restrictions while UA & AA add European flights in July?

If there is no travel restrictions, then makes sense to resume them. We will see. I wouldn’t use aa scheduling as proxy for what dl should be doing.

As for nk, msy change looked like a mistake at the time and got corrected later. I would be surprised if it’s not the same case here and the changes get reverted.
 
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Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:52 pm

tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Bos msy was also 2x daily for 2 weeks and then they reverted it.

As for Europe, I am of the understanding that the schengen zone as a whole was thinking of extending a ban of foreign visitors until end of September.


They can change their mind, but if it is on NK's schedule for two weeks it isn't a filing error

Well, the restrictions aren't in place until September now, so why would DL sit and wait for the EU to potentially extend travel restrictions while UA & AA add European flights in July?

If there is no travel restrictions, then makes sense to resume them. We will see. I wouldn’t use aa scheduling as proxy for what dl should be doing.

As for nk, msy change looked like a mistake at the time and got corrected later. I would be surprised if it’s not the same case here and the changes get reverted.


Never did I use AA as a proxy, you were saying foreign travel was of limits in July, which it is not at this point & I used the example of UA & AA who ALSO have flights scheduled for July

Airline schedules are an intricate process, you don't accidentally add a 2 instead of a 1, these schedules go through a multitude of reviews.

NK changed CLT-EWR back to 1x daily, they scheduled it 2x daily last week, is that also a filing error?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1447299&hilit=oag

Read the FAQ, most filing errors are issues with codeshares, not airlines publishing a messed up schedule
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:53 pm

Nice to see more frequency added to ECP by both AA & WN.
 
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:42 pm

enilria wrote:
**DL LNK-MSP AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[2] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]


Well, this was supposed to be temporary, but it sure looks permanent. This would make for a perm closure of LNK by DL as they already dropped ATL. Only UA flies DEN and ORD out of LNK.

Can anyone confirm if this is truly permanent?
 
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Re: OAG Changes for 6/14/2020:THE CALM BEFORE?;DL Grows Europe, Closes Stations;NK Attacks BOS-BWI;AS Adds MRY-SEA

Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:40 pm

SteveXC500 wrote:
enilria wrote:
**DL LNK-MSP AUG 3>0[3] SEP 3>0[3] OCT 3>0[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[2] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3]


Well, this was supposed to be temporary, but it sure looks permanent. This would make for a perm closure of LNK by DL as they already dropped ATL. Only UA flies DEN and ORD out of LNK.

Can anyone confirm if this is truly permanent?

They have removed the flights for sale through the end of schedule in the affected markets but that does not necessarily mean it is a permanent station closure.
DL has not publically indicated anything one way or another but I don't think they are going to be too quick to render stations "permanently" closed until they get better data on how demand continues to recover.
As covered in some of the other threads, many of these markets seem like they should return, particularly a market like BGR & ASE where the tourism, national parks, and ski resorts will see their demand return in the seasons ahead. Markets like LNK, FNT, CAK are also likely to return. Its not like the University of Nebraska is going away.

There could be something contractual and/or employment related with why or how they pulled everything from the future schedules.

Now, if you see them remove all signage from check-in counters and gate areas that isn't a good sign. If I were the airport director at these places, I'd certainly want them to keep that stuff up on the wish/hope/prayer they come back.

Nothing is ever permanent in this industry......

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