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Re: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line

Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:12 pm

During the Summer of 1992 Seville Spain hosted the World Expo, Expo '92. Some US airline, I'm not sure which but it could be TWA, had service to Seville that Summer.
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Re: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line

Fri Jun 19, 2020 2:17 pm

Ionosphere wrote:
TWA Trans Atlantic Arrivals into JFK:

January 15, 1989
Amsterdam TW815 767-200 Daily


I am bit surprised to see the listing of a B767 in january 1989. I flew TW815 on March 22nd in 1989 and it was definitely a Lockheed Tristar that day! Also the return flight I took (on April 1st) was a Tristar.

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Re: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:15 pm

KL577 wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
TWA Trans Atlantic Arrivals into JFK:

January 15, 1989
Amsterdam TW815 767-200 Daily


I am bit surprised to see the listing of a B767 in january 1989. I flew TW815 on March 22nd in 1989 and it was definitely a Lockheed Tristar that day! Also the return flight I took (on April 1st) was a Tristar.

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AMS and BRU were mainly served with the L1011 but subs were not uncommon. CPH and ARN were also mostly 762s but also saw some L1011s.
 
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Re: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line

Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:16 pm

Delta777Jet wrote:
TWA flew to Frankfurt until 13th of January 1997 ( TW 741 FRA-JFK on a 767-200ER N604TW) and to Athens until 18th April 1997 (TW881 on a 747-100 N93108)

there are 2 Youtube Videos for both last flights !

I miss TWA



TWA741: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWpdtJ_CSuQ

TWA 881: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94iWQJ3rzuI

Also interesting is TWA Last Day at Heathrow on July 1st 1992: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CT-cSpTjBU&t=121s

Very Sad


The last day for TWA at LHR was July 1 1991, not 1992. The last TWA departure from LHR was TW 701, to JFK.
 
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Re: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:50 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
AA747123 wrote:
Coexstud wrote:
AA didn’t have any 747 on property in 91 they were either sold or wet leased to other carriers or governments by then


American still had 2 747sp's property in 1991, I think they left around 1993-1994


American had the 2 747SP's until 1994. One went to Kazakstan Airlines N601AA. The other, N602AA went to the United Arab Emirates Government.


Those SPs were leased from TW. At the end of the lease they went to MCI to sit on the apron outside the TW overhaul base for a couple years until they were scrapped onsite.
 
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Re: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line

Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:58 pm

Karabu covered the entire network but excluded tickets sold via codeshare including those on TWExpress. A lot of the Mexico flights that TW launched were essentially pre-sold charters with only ~10 sets for sale in Y. That's what made them profitable. There was a lot of effort in the end to get a codeshare deal with America West which likely would lead to a merger as Karabu ended. But the money didn't last long enough.
 
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Re: TWA Transatlantic Drawdown Time Line

Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:44 pm

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United1 wrote:
The gate agent was announcing it as flight 880/888 nonstop to ATH. I wonder if ATH passengers were ticketed on flight 880 and the connecting TLV passengers were ticketed on 888. It would be weird to do it that way now but maybe the TWs res system worked that way.


It was one of those situations where TWA sold the flight as "direct" from another U.S. city to an international destination with a scheduled change of aircraft.

In this case, flight 880 departed JFK at 6:15pm and arrived in Athens at 10:45am.

However, TWA also sold flight 888 which was one-stop service from Boston to Athens. Departing Boston at 3:17pm on a narrow-body aircraft switching to the 747 at JFK.

It was sold as a thru-flight despite the change of aircraft.

Interestingly, the narrow-body flight from Boston to JFK at 3:17pm was actually flight 927 UNLESS you were continuing onto Athens, in which case, the same flight was 888.

In a way, the actual itinerary from BOS to ATH could have been flight 927 connecting to 880, however TWA marketed it as 888 direct from BOS to ATH.

It was all about being able to sell it as a direct flight. Pan Am was another carrier that did this a lot.


AA did the same. For example in 1989 AA98/99 was JFK-BRU-HAM and return. But AA also sold and marketed an ORD-BRU-HAM direct flight, flight numbers AA2816/2811 all the way through. But even with that one flight number AA2816 on the ticket you would end up on the ORD-BRU-DUS aircraft for the first segment (with a different flight number) and change to the aircraft flying JFK-BRU-HAM under the flight number AA98 for the last segment.
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