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IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:56 am

-IB currently has 6 units active and 8 parked.
-Mr. Gallego, CEO of Iberia, who leaves the airline to be in charge of IAG from September on, has internally announced today they will retire the entire fleet of A346 from IB as a measure to control de costs in the short term.
-Other measures: defer deliveries of new fleet (A359 from the total order of 20, & A320neo). They'll return to lessors A320s and A319s at the end of the contracts.
-No comments around the A321XLR which was due to 2022.
-IB estimates around 20% drop in production over the next couple of years.
-Won't be back to pre-covid levels until 2024.

IAG is definitely very cautious and rather "pessimistic" over the course of this pandemic. As much as their cash position was probably the best among the EU groups at the beginning of all this craziness, they are heavily dependent on very affected markets (USA & South America) and are probably based in the two countries more hit by the COVID19 in Europe (UK & Spain).

(link just in Spanish)

https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 48810?s=20

From yesterday, less specific over the exact measures taken:

https://www.marketscreener.com/INTERNAT ... -30776879/
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:38 am

I'm booked to fly their 346 from Madrid to LHR Dec 3rd, I guess that's not gonna happen???
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:49 am

when will they be retired exactly?? how much time do we have left?
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:52 am

marcogr12 wrote:
when will they be retired exactly?? how much time do we have left?


No exact info about that. However, MEX (which was the "Golden Route" for the A346 at Iberia) is already scheduled with the A359 as soon as this Friday.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:55 am

Well not unexpected but do I count myself lucky I was on my first (and most likely last) A346 flight SCL-MAD last November. On the last produced A346 ever too. :cloudnine: And it really was much nicer than the A359 I have to say....

SA's A346s are on their way out too, will LH retain theirs?
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:03 am

The Wall Street Journal ran an article in 2003 on Boeing's competition with Airbus on the deal that led to the A340-600s at IB. Purchase and operating analysis for long-lived assets in a world where long-term forecasts for fuel prices are notoriously unreliable and ultimate sales of the type to other carriers is unknown is tough.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1047243854826319840
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:04 am

frigatebird wrote:
Well not unexpected but do I count myself lucky I was on my first (and most likely last) A346 flight SCL-MAD last November. On the last produced A346 ever too. :cloudnine: And it really was much nicer than the A359 I have to say....

SA's A346s are on their way out too, will LH retain theirs?

IIRC LH has already announced their A346 fleet retirement already with all units parked in TEV.

So long A346....

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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:13 am

eamondzhang wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
Well not unexpected but do I count myself lucky I was on my first (and most likely last) A346 flight SCL-MAD last November. On the last produced A346 ever too. :cloudnine: And it really was much nicer than the A359 I have to say....

SA's A346s are on their way out too, will LH retain theirs?

IIRC LH has already announced their A346 fleet retirement already with all units parked in TEV.

So long A346....

Michael


It'll just be a few charter companies, Mahan Air (and it's rumoured Iran Air soon) left with them
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:19 am

frigatebird wrote:
Well not unexpected but do I count myself lucky I was on my first (and most likely last) A346 flight SCL-MAD last November. On the last produced A346 ever too. :cloudnine: And it really was much nicer than the A359 I have to say....


PLUS ULTRA just introduced the -600 into their fleet! :crossfingers: it will stay many years to come.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:22 am

Wait, they haven't retired them yet?
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:28 am

Not entirely surprising, given the A330/A350 fleet efficiencies compared to the A346. Sorry to see them go. Flew in them twice on two different trips, MAD-JFK and JFK to MAD, both in Business Class. There is something unique about experiencing takeoff on the A340-600 in the front of the plane.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:11 pm

Last October, I took an IB 340 JFK-MAD. It was only the 2nd time I had been on one, the previous time was in spring of 2000 on LH FRA-EWR.
Sad to see them go, they were comfortable, a nice ride (even in the back) and a nice looking aircraft, but let's face it though, they have 2 too many engines with their fuel and mx costs, the A330/A350's are more efficient and newer.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:55 pm

I took the 346 on the JFK-MAD last year as well, great plane and will be missed to fly on.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:58 pm

So that leaves with IB 8 A333 + 12 A332 and 6 A359 for long haul. That is 26 aircrafts. I guess IB's Asian routes especially PVG may not return for a while.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:27 pm

a350lover wrote:
-IB currently has 6 units active and 8 parked.
-Mr. Gallego, CEO of Iberia, who leaves the airline to be in charge of IAG from September on, has internally announced today they will retire the entire fleet of A346 from IB as a measure to control de costs in the short term.
-Other measures: defer deliveries of new fleet (A359 from the total order of 20, & A320neo). They'll return to lessors A320s and A319s at the end of the contracts.
-No comments around the A321XLR which was due to 2022.
-IB estimates around 20% drop in production over the next couple of years.
-Won't be back to pre-covid levels until 2024.

IAG is definitely very cautious and rather "pessimistic" over the course of this pandemic. As much as their cash position was probably the best among the EU groups at the beginning of all this craziness, they are heavily dependent on very affected markets (USA & South America) and are probably based in the two countries more hit by the COVID19 in Europe (UK & Spain).

(link just in Spanish)

https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 48810?s=20

From yesterday, less specific over the exact measures taken:

https://www.marketscreener.com/INTERNAT ... -30776879/


Wow they are predicting 4 years for recovery. If that happens we are going to see a very different airline industry.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:28 pm

What really needs to happen is BA's A350/787 deliveries to get rid of the fuel hog B744's. Iberia is more efficient than BA already...
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:39 pm

DCA350 wrote:
a350lover wrote:
-IB currently has 6 units active and 8 parked.
-Mr. Gallego, CEO of Iberia, who leaves the airline to be in charge of IAG from September on, has internally announced today they will retire the entire fleet of A346 from IB as a measure to control de costs in the short term.
-Other measures: defer deliveries of new fleet (A359 from the total order of 20, & A320neo). They'll return to lessors A320s and A319s at the end of the contracts.
-No comments around the A321XLR which was due to 2022.
-IB estimates around 20% drop in production over the next couple of years.
-Won't be back to pre-covid levels until 2024.

IAG is definitely very cautious and rather "pessimistic" over the course of this pandemic. As much as their cash position was probably the best among the EU groups at the beginning of all this craziness, they are heavily dependent on very affected markets (USA & South America) and are probably based in the two countries more hit by the COVID19 in Europe (UK & Spain).

(link just in Spanish)

https://twitter.com/novedadesaereas/sta ... 48810?s=20

From yesterday, less specific over the exact measures taken:

https://www.marketscreener.com/INTERNAT ... -30776879/


Wow they are predicting 4 years for recovery. If that happens we are going to see a very different airline industry.

I hope it won't be 4 years, but I think it will be over 2.

Well run airlines will know to buy well before Aircraft prices go back up.

My rule of thumb is test an extra 15 to 20 cases for every case found. Both Spain and the UK exceed that threshold. They should recover somewhat quicker than many areas.

But this isn't over. For example Brazil tests 2 people and finds 1 case.. Rho Rho. Mexico and Egypt 3:1, Qatar 4:1 (opposite of the UAE, probably the most over-tested nation, I would as a hub).

I think 4 years is pessimistic, but I wouldn't bet a company on a faster recovery.

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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:45 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
when will they be retired exactly?? how much time do we have left?


They run the gamut from EC-INO (msn 431) to EC-LFS (msn 1122, the last A340 ever built). That one, EC-LFS, could have value to the national government as a VIP plane, or maybe IB could sell the newer frames to PU.

As for this, IB must be pretty confident on A359 takeoff abilities from BOG (8360 feet AMSL), UIO (7880 feet AMSL), MEX (7350 feet AMSL), and MDE (7040 feet AMSL) to consider retiring the A346 fleet now.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:58 pm

x1234 wrote:
What really needs to happen is BA's A350/787 deliveries to get rid of the fuel hog B744's. Iberia is more efficient than BA already...

Doesn't exactly work like that.

The 747s at BA are bought and paid for, with BA's spares support in place and plenty of rotable items in the stores. Oil is also at historic minimums which when added together with all the other cost savings can be a strong reason to keep them around short term. It's just like continuing to drive your ten year old Chevy that's long since paid off instead of a Tesla with a big monthly payment.

Once oil starts going north again the 747s will start to become too much of a liability and bye bye time.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:03 pm

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What really needs to happen is BA's A350/787 deliveries to get rid of the fuel hog B744's. Iberia is more efficient than BA already...


On what basis do you make the assertion that Iberia is more efficient than BA?
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:10 pm

According to some people who apparently know more info, Iberia will retire the A340-600 in July, not immediately.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:24 pm

Channex757 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
What really needs to happen is BA's A350/787 deliveries to get rid of the fuel hog B744's. Iberia is more efficient than BA already...

Doesn't exactly work like that.

The 747s at BA are bought and paid for, with BA's spares support in place and plenty of rotable items in the stores. Oil is also at historic minimums which when added together with all the other cost savings can be a strong reason to keep them around short term. It's just like continuing to drive your ten year old Chevy that's long since paid off instead of a Tesla with a big monthly payment.

Once oil starts going north again the 747s will start to become too much of a liability and bye bye time.


Yes it is not fuel efficiency that is killing the IB A346 fleet, it is fleet size. Same thing that is killing DL 777s, killed DL MD90s, AA 757s etc.

IB has enough other planes to take care of near term demand to easily cover the loss of the A346 fleet, the elimination of which saves them money.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:26 pm

So it seems CV19 will be the terminating event for the A340-600 just like 9/11/2001 did in the 747-200 and 727. Those largely went to the desert and never came back. Sure there were some strays but in general they were gone.
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:37 pm

Mixed feelings about the A346. On the one hand, it was nice that there were rows of 2 seats at the back of the economy cabin. But on the other, I'll never forget my IB flight from MAD - MEX when, 25 mins into the flight, the inflight entertainment broke, apparently un-fixable and the 11+ hour flight was terribly boring - with IB flight attendants as they were back then, the attitude was 'not my problem'. Not a great exprience.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:44 pm

x1234 wrote:
What really needs to happen is BA's A350/787 deliveries to get rid of the fuel hog B744's. Iberia is more efficient than BA already...


When oil is under 40, this is ridiculous. Spending capex because it feels good is how you go bankrupt
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:54 pm

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So it seems CV19 will be the terminating event for the A340-600 just like 9/11/2001 did in the 747-200 and 727. Those largely went to the desert and never came back. Sure there were some strays but in general they were gone.

Covid19 is, unfortunately, worse than 9/11 and so will "simplify" the global fleets. Not completely, as you already noted, but in general many types will be retired. The A340 is unfortunately on that chopping block.

Per airfleets, there are only 125 active A340.
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-a340.htm

When I go through the list, I'm only confident that Mahan and HiFly will opperate the type past this summer.

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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:57 pm

Thank you EC-JCY for a lovely flight LIM - MAD ride home last Nov in biz class. I knew then it would be my last A340 flight ever.
What a shame the A340 can't be " NEO'd " !
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:59 pm

IB's new one is not a very attractive livery, but I love the look of the A346. LH, VS and especially SA were always nice to see rolling in to JFK. Even MU (the old livery) was improved on that bird. Time marches on.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:12 pm

a350lover wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
when will they be retired exactly?? how much time do we have left?


No exact info about that. However, MEX (which was the "Golden Route" for the A346 at Iberia) is already scheduled with the A359 as soon as this Friday.


It has been operating since June 5.

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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:18 pm

I will miss flying the 340-600. Great plane and Iberia used it well. Here is an article with the schedule for retirements.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... dbafb3238c
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:22 pm

Ugh so sad... I feel terrible. I've loved seeing the IB and LH 346's at ORD all these years. Flew the LH 346 to MUC many times over the past decade.

I knew this day would come, but just sucks that it came so soon. I always enjoyed flying on these, and thought the downstairs lavatories were a neat touch.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 4:39 pm

Any idea where these will end up for retirement? Will they be ferried to VCV, MHV, SBD, TUS, GYR, MZJ, LDE, TEV, etc?
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 5:46 pm

Of course it's a matter of airline economics but speaking purely as a passenger a do love the A340, especially the 600.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:05 pm

Ishrion wrote:
According to some people who apparently know more info, Iberia will retire the A340-600 in July, not immediately.


Well July is in just 13 days so it seems pretty immediately..And i had such high hopes this year to fly the MAD-LHR route on it..Then Covid-19 came and it all went to hell.. :brokenheart: :cry:
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:20 pm

To summarize, Iberia long haul fleet will be after the A346 leaves:

A330s: 20 units, 4 of them flying under the LEVEL brand in Barcelona, same AOC.
A350s: 8 units, of a total order of 20 (up from 16 initially).
No news regarding the A321XLR

Those 8 to 12 frames of the A350 yet to be deliverd will offer some flexibility to Iberia depending on how demand gets back.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:28 pm

So the last A340 build is off to the scrapper. Unfortunate, but to be expected if you look at the recent developments.
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:36 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
The Wall Street Journal ran an article in 2003 on Boeing's competition with Airbus on the deal that led to the A340-600s at IB. Purchase and operating analysis for long-lived assets in a world where long-term forecasts for fuel prices are notoriously unreliable and ultimate sales of the type to other carriers is unknown is tough.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1047243854826319840


Dupuy de Lome still did plenty well for the carrier with his A340-600 deal. :biggrin:
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:49 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Revelation wrote:
So it seems CV19 will be the terminating event for the A340-600 just like 9/11/2001 did in the 747-200 and 727. Those largely went to the desert and never came back. Sure there were some strays but in general they were gone.

Covid19 is, unfortunately, worse than 9/11 and so will "simplify" the global fleets. Not completely, as you already noted, but in general many types will be retired. The A340 is unfortunately on that chopping block.

Per airfleets, there are only 125 active A340.
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-a340.htm

When I go through the list, I'm only confident that Mahan and HiFly will opperate the type past this summer.

Lightsaber

I think you can add Swiss and Edelweiss to that list - Edelweiss' whole fleet basically revolves around the A340 and Swiss has just refurbished theirs. Although we've seen this with Delta I'd say it's unlikely Swiss will retire theirs (they're still in operation while most A330s are grounded). Over on the Swiss aviation thread it looks like they may be considering a partial temporary grounding of the 777 fleet instead, and the A343 is right sized to continue operating through the crisis. I know LH may be retiring theirs, but only their A340-600 have been sent to storage so far and they don't seem to be bothered about fleet commonality at the moment, especially with their keeping of the 3 Austrian 767s.

Probably also Conviasa and Air Madagascar will keep theirs too, assuming their governments are able to provide support. And in the case of Conviasa, they're probably politically restricted from getting another plane. Conviasa also doesn't seem a particularly profit-oriented airline regardless of any crisis, so maybe they're not as affected, but that's a discussion for another day...

But yeah, I'm sure the overwhelming majority of the few remaining operators will be waving goodbye to their a340s soon. As sad as it is, it's probably inevitable
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 7:08 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
The Wall Street Journal ran an article in 2003 on Boeing's competition with Airbus on the deal that led to the A340-600s at IB. Purchase and operating analysis for long-lived assets in a world where long-term forecasts for fuel prices are notoriously unreliable and ultimate sales of the type to other carriers is unknown is tough.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1047243854826319840


That is a really great article and a nice insight in to Iberia's A340 dealings vs the 777. Also available here for anyone who can't access the WSJ https://docplayer.net/63786776-Airbus-a ... -deal.html

Anyone know if the Airbus price 'guarantee' on the -300s was used by IB when they retired those a few years back?
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:03 pm

I guess the A340-600 is also suffering from its lack of commonality with the A330, unlike the A340-300 which is very similar
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:09 pm

My first and probs last a340 flight was on IB from MAD-LHR so happy that I took that flight now aha
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:14 pm

Anyone know if the Airbus price 'guarantee' on the -300s was used by IB when they retired those a few years back?


The article suggests a similar resale value guarantees deal is in place for the A346's, It could still turn out expensive for Airbus
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:52 pm

I knew this would happen eventually, but this is earlier than I expected. I’m sure Iran Air or Mahan will pick up these planes- the youngest is only 10 years old I believe. Plenty of life left in them.
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Thu Jun 18, 2020 12:12 am

There are currently 14 A346's listed as active, the rest are stored, or scrapped. Of the 14, SAA is currently using 4 of them on COVID-19 expatriation missions. The list shows just 1 active for IB.

https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... ort=status
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:30 am

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My first and probs last a340 flight was on IB from MAD-LHR so happy that I took that flight now aha



Me too, back in February. The business class seats were not all that great, but I'm glad I was able to fly on the A346.
 
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Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:02 am

Continental767 wrote:
I knew this would happen eventually, but this is earlier than I expected. I’m sure Iran Air or Mahan will pick up these planes- the youngest is only 10 years old I believe. Plenty of life left in them.


Likely the only destination for them is Iran . Plenty of life, but in the end, the a346 is yet another past-its-prime quad that had no business being built.
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:33 am

Does somebody possibly have any cost comparison with the 777-300ER please? Especially about the engine cost (leasing, maintenance, overhaul) versus the 777? Thanks. I'd like to know why so many A340-600 are retired so early please? Are these four engined airplane's problems in a twin world?
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:01 am

x1234 wrote:
What really needs to happen is BA's A350/787 deliveries to get rid of the fuel hog B744's. Iberia is more efficient than BA already...


I agree that this is an admirable aim but it is also worth looking at the relative size of the two fleets. According to airliners.net IB has a longhaul fleet of 32 aircraft while BA has 132, so change at BA will inevitably take longer.

Incidentally, again according to airliners.net, BA already has 36 of the more fuel efficient B787/A350s that you would like to see them acquire, more than IBs entire long haul fleet.
 
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:57 am

a350lover wrote:
To summarize, Iberia long haul fleet will be after the A346 leaves:

A330s: 20 units, 4 of them flying under the LEVEL brand in Barcelona, same AOC.
A350s: 8 units, of a total order of 20 (up from 16 initially).
No news regarding the A321XLR

Those 8 to 12 frames of the A350 yet to be deliverd will offer some flexibility to Iberia depending on how demand gets back.


28 total long haul frames -assuming level frames get back to IB mainline- tells me that IB is expecting a deep cut on its long haul network,which is surprising to me since I expect their major LatAm stations to recover service relatively quick giving the issues the likes of LA and AV are facing. 1xdaily to EZE, GRU, GIG, MEX, SCL, LIM, UIO, BOG, ORD, JFK and MIA needs roughly those 28 frames. IMO some of those markets such as EZE, MEX and JFK) will demand multiple daily by years end,

They might be counting on the UX takeover adding some new 789's although my bet is that we'll see some A346's back to serve hot/high airports such as MEX, UIO and BOG.
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Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:48 am

upperdeckfan wrote:

28 total long haul frames -assuming level frames get back to IB mainline- tells me that IB is expecting a deep cut on its long haul network,which is surprising to me since I expect their major LatAm stations to recover service relatively quick giving the issues the likes of LA and AV are facing. 1xdaily to EZE, GRU, GIG, MEX, SCL, LIM, UIO, BOG, ORD, JFK and MIA needs roughly those 28 frames. IMO some of those markets such as EZE, MEX and JFK) will demand multiple daily by years end,

They might be counting on the UX takeover adding some new 789's although my bet is that we'll see some A346's back to serve hot/high airports such as MEX, UIO and BOG.


I agree very much on your bet to see back some A346s if things get back on track in 1-2 years time.

I see lots of capacity being cut, mainly in SCL, EZE, MEX, LIM and BOG, which are all the Golden Routes for IB. I could easily see them all back to 1 daily in the short-term of 3-6 months. Same JFK, probably back to one daily.

Iberia eventually moved on to new markets in recent years where I see them quitting in the short term:

-SFO
-IAD (due to May20, never started)
-BOS
-PVG
-NRT (could survive if the Olympics finally take place next year)
-GYE
-GIG (things went really bad in Brazil).

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