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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

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Embraer 170 LR 170.00146 XA-GAM AeroMéxico Connect ferried 03aug20 MEX-IAH-MCN on return to lessor (+ 170.00141 XA-GAQ 04aug20) ex 5Y-KYL
Embraer 170 LR 170.00128 XA-ALH AeroMéxico Connect ferried 05aug20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor ex EI-FLP

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

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Please keep the thread on topic.

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

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Boeing 737 -8Q8 32796 1272 N859AM AeroMéxico ferried 03aug20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor ex 5B-DBU

Boeing 737 -8Q8 30671 1307 N858AM AeroMéxico ferried 06aug20 SJO-TUS-GYR all white on return to lessor ex C-GLBW

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:11 am

danipawa wrote:
Boeing 737 -752 34293 1747 XA-PAM AeroMéxico ferried 06aug20 MEX-IAH-ROW on return to lessor


Interesting they stopped in Houston on the way to Roswell. Just a bit out of the way, especially considering there are other international airports closer than IAH is to ROW.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:30 pm

jjbiv wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Boeing 737 -752 34293 1747 XA-PAM AeroMéxico ferried 06aug20 MEX-IAH-ROW on return to lessor


Interesting they stopped in Houston on the way to Roswell. Just a bit out of the way, especially considering there are other international airports closer than IAH is to ROW.

Customs and Immigration check. ROS doesn’t have FIS.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:57 pm

I think Aeromexico is gonna be in big trouble here. Their issues are going to be keep getting worse.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:21 pm

This is pretty sad. They do not seem to be coping like other companies. I have heard a lot of gossip from the FA union, they do not seem to be happy, and disgruntled passengers are roasting them on social media. I also came across this article in Spanish (http://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2020/08/06 ... aeromexico). In summary it states that some analysts are recommending Aeromexico to go into "Concurso Mercantil," which is the local version of Chapter 11 (not exactly the same). I have no idea of how these things work, (and maybe someone can shed some light), but I have heard that Concurso Mercantil can really mean not coming back.
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:33 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
jjbiv wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Boeing 737 -752 34293 1747 XA-PAM AeroMéxico ferried 06aug20 MEX-IAH-ROW on return to lessor


Interesting they stopped in Houston on the way to Roswell. Just a bit out of the way, especially considering there are other international airports closer than IAH is to ROW.

Customs and Immigration check. ROS doesn’t have FIS.


Right, I just thought it was interesting to select IAH as the port of entry when DRT, LRD, MFE, ELP, HRL, BRO, SAT, AUS, and even ABQ are closer in terms of distance. I'm sure they have their reasons.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:43 pm

AM hired SkyWorks Capital as an advisor in the restructuring of its fleet.
Believed part of SkyWorks task will be to work out AM obligations with Boeing with respect to B737 MAX aircraft as well as resetting the financing model for the rest of the carrier’s fleet.

https://www.aviationnews-online.com/air ... ing-terms/
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:02 pm

jjbiv wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
jjbiv wrote:

Interesting they stopped in Houston on the way to Roswell. Just a bit out of the way, especially considering there are other international airports closer than IAH is to ROW.

Customs and Immigration check. ROS doesn’t have FIS.


Right, I just thought it was interesting to select IAH as the port of entry when DRT, LRD, MFE, ELP, HRL, BRO, SAT, AUS, and even ABQ are closer in terms of distance. I'm sure they have their reasons.


IAH has AM staff there should something go wrong.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:11 am

usflyer msp wrote:
jjbiv wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Customs and Immigration check. ROS doesn’t have FIS.


Right, I just thought it was interesting to select IAH as the port of entry when DRT, LRD, MFE, ELP, HRL, BRO, SAT, AUS, and even ABQ are closer in terms of distance. I'm sure they have their reasons.


IAH has AM staff there should something go wrong.


Certainly could be a factor. However, AM doesn't seem to mind stopping in TUS on lessor return flights to MZJ and GYR and TUS doesn't have an AM station. I believe IAH is an Aeroméxico Connect station but it would be better than being at a random airport in the US if the aircraft had a mechanical issue. Or maybe they had some cargo to drop off. This is probably one of those things we will never really know the reason behind ut it is interesting nonetheless.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:19 am

jjbiv wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
jjbiv wrote:

Right, I just thought it was interesting to select IAH as the port of entry when DRT, LRD, MFE, ELP, HRL, BRO, SAT, AUS, and even ABQ are closer in terms of distance. I'm sure they have their reasons.


IAH has AM staff there should something go wrong.


Certainly could be a factor. However, AM doesn't seem to mind stopping in TUS on lessor return flights to MZJ and GYR and TUS doesn't have an AM station. I believe IAH is an Aeroméxico Connect station but it would be better than being at a random airport in the US if the aircraft had a mechanical issue. Or maybe they had some cargo to drop off. This is probably one of those things we will never really know the reason behind ut it is interesting nonetheless.


Assuming AeroMexico has anything to do with those return flights...
IMO, they are probably being repossesed in Mexico and being flown back by the leasing company itself.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:13 pm

Boeing 737 -752 33790 1533 XA-NAM AeroMéxico ferried 12aug20 GDL-TUS-MZJ on return to lessor
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:27 pm

Mexicana is already out of business. If Aeromexico also goes out of business, will there be a national carrier in Mexico?
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:41 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
Mexicana is already out of business. If Aeromexico also goes out of business, will there be a national carrier in Mexico?


Interjet (albeit limited), Volaris and Viva are all still around.

AM's domestic network was basically MEX with a handful of routes out of MTY, plus a couple of other domestic routes (I think CUN-GDL/TIJ were around). From what I saw when I lived in Mexico, Volaris had quite a bit more of the point-to-point traffic; I could see them being in a position to expand in the domestic market should AM fail and Interjet continues to struggle.

For international, Volaris could expand in the US and in Central/near South America. Longhaul wouldn't really have a Mexican flag carrier; not sure if there is a major need for one; the only long haul routes that AM has exclusively are (I believe) ICN and EZE.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:56 pm

danipawa wrote:
Boeing 737 -752 34293 1747 XA-PAM AeroMéxico ferried 06aug20 MEX-IAH-ROW on return to lessor

Boeing 737 -8Q8 32796 1272 N859AM AeroMéxico ferried 03aug20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor ex 5B-DBU

Boeing 737 -8Q8 30671 1307 N858AM AeroMéxico ferried 06aug20 SJO-TUS-GYR all white on return to lessor ex C-GLBW

Boeing 737 -8AS 29927 727 XA-AMZ AeroMéxico ferried 06aug20 GDL-TUS-MZJ on return to lessor (+ 29950/757 XA-ADV) ex PK-GEL



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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:29 pm

AM secures $1 billion USD in DIP loan financing in accordance with its Chapter 11 restructuring plan.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aeromexico-bankruptcy/aeromexico-lines-up-1-billion-dip-loan-from-apollo-global-management-idUSKCN25937B

LATAM for comparison has lined up $2 billion in DIP loan financing for its own Chap 11 plan.

https://simpleflying.com/latam-250-million-investment/

Avianca is still negotiating securing DIP financing to keep operations going once it restarts most of its operations in Sept. It is particularly worrisome in this case as the airline already has a negative value. The Colombian government will most likely have to step in and rescue the airline if it is to survive.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bankruptcy-law/avianca-seeks-2-billion-in-loans-as-air-travel-crisis-lingers

And for those that claim that AM will not make it and Interjet will take over with their Sukhoi's... yeah.. we believe you. :rotfl:
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:56 pm

I'm rooting for AM to pull through this. Their SEA-MEX flight was fantastic as we have family in D.F. but as of now it's still suspended. Have tickets for Thanksgiving week (third week of November) and hoping by some miracle their n/s to SEA will be back by then.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:08 am

Its interesting reading details of the DIP financing Apollo Global Management.

Deal is structured as a $200mil term loan, plus another $800mil loan that is convertible at Apollo's choice to shares in a reorganized Aeromexico. With the conversion to shares, current shareholders will be diluted if they don't similarly participate in the capital increase.
So its quite probable that Apollo will come out as the largest shareholder, and Delta might very well have its equity stake largely wiped out in AM, since its forbidden from putting money into other airlines while living under its CARES loan.

As background Apollo has been involved in other airline deals in recent years including purchasing Sun Country in 2017. Its also owns an aircraft leasing subsidiary Merx Aviation, and has few long time airline executives such as David Siegel (presently chairman at Volotea, former CEO Frontier and US Airways) on its team.

I foresee changes coming to AM...
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:30 am

David Siegel (presently chairman at Volotea, former CEO Frontier and US Airways


Interesting, wonder if he is friends with Doug Parker ;)
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 15, 2020 4:32 am

In just about every bankruptcy stock is wiped out and Delta already wrote it off.

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:06 am

AM's plan of action with it's Chapter 11 reorganization = become a leaner more agile airline with a cost structure that closely competes with Mexican LCC's on the domestic market and best cost structure than any U.S. or Latin American carrier for the international front.

https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/default/files/3_Cleansing_Materials_compressed.pdf

Highlights:

    Reduction in fleet from 107 to approximately 80 aircraft by end of 2020.
    Accelerate Embraer-190 retirement and upgauge to all Boeing 737 and 789 fleet.
    Increase seating capacity on 737 fleet. From flying 16B+144E to 12B + 156E on 738s for a total of 8 extra seats. 787 seating will remain constant.
    Renegotiate all contracts on all its remaining fleet to bring lease rates to new market reality conditions.
    Right size and renegotiate labor contracts with all employee groups bringing labor cost down from 20% to 15% to close rival Volaris/Viva Aerobus which stand at 12% of total costs.
    Increase cooperation with partner Delta Air Lines (more flight sharing) and closer links to LATAM.
    AM plans to have lowest cost structure (CASM) of the 4 largest Latin American carriers and lowest CASM to any U.S. carrier.

Pretty solid and transparent business case should things go according to plan. Targets Chapter 11 exit in 2021.
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:26 pm

The court approved DIP financing and allowed airline to access the first $100m in funds for day to day operational needs.
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:46 pm

LatinPlane wrote:
AM's plan of action with it's Chapter 11 reorganization = become a leaner more agile airline with a cost structure that closely competes with Mexican LCC's on the domestic market and best cost structure than any U.S. or Latin American carrier for the international front.

https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/default/files/3_Cleansing_Materials_compressed.pdf

Highlights:

    Reduction in fleet from 107 to approximately 80 aircraft by end of 2020.
    Accelerate Embraer-190 retirement and upgauge to all Boeing 737 and 789 fleet.
    Increase seating capacity on 737 fleet. From flying 16B+144E to 12B + 156E on 738s for a total of 8 extra seats. 787 seating will remain constant.
    Renegotiate all contracts on all its remaining fleet to bring lease rates to new market reality conditions.
    Right size and renegotiate labor contracts with all employee groups bringing labor cost down from 20% to 15% to close rival Volaris/Viva Aerobus which stand at 12% of total costs.
    Increase cooperation with partner Delta Air Lines (more flight sharing) and closer links to LATAM.
    AM plans to have lowest cost structure (CASM) of the 4 largest Latin American carriers and lowest CASM to any U.S. carrier.

Pretty solid and transparent business case should things go according to plan. Targets Chapter 11 exit in 2021.


Thanks for sharing. An interesting quote - sounds positive for the MAX:

"Aeromexico will significantly reduce the number regional of aircraft in favor of larger and more efficient 737-800 / MAX-8 / MAX9, which will drive average narrow-body gauge up from 120 to 150 by 2023
‒ This will be achieved rapidly in a variety of ways; contracts are being negotiated and details will soon be announced"


Also, this explains DL taking over LAX and JFK to MEX - "‒ As an example, Delta will be providing relief aircraft to accelerate the speed of Aeromexico´s fleet transformation."
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:23 pm

LatinPlane wrote:
AM's plan of action with it's Chapter 11 reorganization = become a leaner more agile airline with a cost structure that closely competes with Mexican LCC's on the domestic market and best cost structure than any U.S. or Latin American carrier for the international front.

https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/default/files/3_Cleansing_Materials_compressed.pdf
.


Great info. Thanks for sharing. Not sure how this "upgauge" is supposed to work. I can't see the likes of ACA, ZIH, BJX, CPE, CME, VER, ZCL, ZLO to name a few, working without the E-190. Are they planning on axing those routes?

I'm a great fan of AM, have status with them and I'm hoping for the best. I'm not looking forward into the high density MAXes, though.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:54 am

jbs2886 wrote:
Also, this explains DL taking over LAX and JFK to MEX - "‒ As an example, Delta will be providing relief aircraft to accelerate the speed of Aeromexico´s fleet transformation."


That allows AM to cut the fleet but that's not likely a change that puts more $ in the hands of the JV: DL is far from LCC.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:14 am

Aeromexico Connect operates the E190’s. I just can’t imagine the 737 being the smallest capacity plane in the Aeromexico fleet which may lead the Aeromexico Connect closing down.

I hope there’s more news to come, that we don’t know about yet, like an A220 order (highly unlikely I know, but wouldn’t it be great)
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:26 am

LatinPlane wrote:
Highlights:

    Reduction in fleet from 107 to approximately 80 aircraft by end of 2020.
    Accelerate Embraer-190 retirement and upgauge to all Boeing 737 and 789 fleet.
    Increase seating capacity on 737 fleet. From flying 16B+144E to 12B + 156E on 738s for a total of 8 extra seats. 787 seating will remain constant.
    Renegotiate all contracts on all its remaining fleet to bring lease rates to new market reality conditions.
    Right size and renegotiate labor contracts with all employee groups bringing labor cost down from 20% to 15% to close rival Volaris/Viva Aerobus which stand at 12% of total costs.
    Increase cooperation with partner Delta Air Lines (more flight sharing) and closer links to LATAM.
    AM plans to have lowest cost structure (CASM) of the 4 largest Latin American carriers and lowest CASM to any U.S. carrier.

Pretty solid and transparent business case should things go according to plan. Targets Chapter 11 exit in 2021.

Wow, there is some brutal planning.
1. The retirement of the E-jets is not a huge surprise, but it is a done deal.
2. The negotiations on leases will be common in this environment.
3. The employee wage reductions are also brutal.
4. The DL-AeroMexico-LATAM strategy could be interesting.

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Late edit: I do not see any new orders for years.
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Fri Aug 21, 2020 5:43 am

lightsaber wrote:
LatinPlane wrote:
Highlights:

    Reduction in fleet from 107 to approximately 80 aircraft by end of 2020.
    Accelerate Embraer-190 retirement and upgauge to all Boeing 737 and 789 fleet.
    Increase seating capacity on 737 fleet. From flying 16B+144E to 12B + 156E on 738s for a total of 8 extra seats. 787 seating will remain constant.
    Renegotiate all contracts on all its remaining fleet to bring lease rates to new market reality conditions.
    Right size and renegotiate labor contracts with all employee groups bringing labor cost down from 20% to 15% to close rival Volaris/Viva Aerobus which stand at 12% of total costs.
    Increase cooperation with partner Delta Air Lines (more flight sharing) and closer links to LATAM.
    AM plans to have lowest cost structure (CASM) of the 4 largest Latin American carriers and lowest CASM to any U.S. carrier.

Pretty solid and transparent business case should things go according to plan. Targets Chapter 11 exit in 2021.

Wow, there is some brutal planning.
1. The retirement of the E-jets is not a huge surprise, but it is a done deal.
2. The negotiations on leases will be common in this environment.
3. The employee wage reductions are also brutal.
4. The DL-AeroMexico-LATAM strategy could be interesting.

Lightsaber

Late edit: I do not see any new orders for years.


This is a super ambitious plan, but as the saying goes: Go big or go home! AM's CEO has stated that although extraordinary times, this is a great opportunity for the airline to transform itself in order to be able to compete in the long run. They have been profitable for almost ten years, bar the last couple of years were they posted a loss on its domestic operation due to intense pressure from the Mexican LCC's, which have the lowest cost structure of any airline in either U.S. or Latin America. Volaris/Viva are the Allegiant Air/Spirit of Mexico that have not only overtaken the domestic routes, but are competing on international markets. To its credit, AM has remained profitable on the international and long-haul routes until COVID came along, as one by one its most important markets such as Spain, Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, and Peru all completely closed down.

There will be HUGE reality checks to the employee's labor's contracts. AM going down from 127 aircraft to just 80 and thus many people will be terminated by end of the year. Harsh but realistic, but there really isn't much the unions can object to given the circumstances. The unions will have to make all necessary concessions put in front of them. Already the EMB -190 will go from 99 seas to 104 seats, which means the old AM Connect crew labor agreements will the thrown out the door. In the past, AM Connect crews could only fly airplanes with less than 99 seats. AM Crews earn much less that AM mainline crews and such clause was created so that AM would be dissuaded from shifting work to lower cost operation. Such will not be the case any longer.

Things are looking positive comparatively to other airlines in Latin America that don't have a real strategy but to survive until 2021 as these are not getting any help by their governments compared to their U.S. counterparts. The airline hopes to get complete approval for its reorganization by Sept. After Sept, thing will start looking dire for the airline as its cash on hand will start dwindling after six months of having most of its fleet grounded. It would be suicide for the labor groups to not make all the concessions required by AM's management team.

If history tells us anything, AM has already gone through something similar only to thrive afterwards. In 2009, during the midst of the global economic crisis, Mexico was hit with a case of swine flu, which practically decimated any tourism to the country overnight. AM's management quickly renegotiated all aircraft leases and all labor contracts and started posting operating profits in 2010. Mexicana de Aviacion instead adopted a growth approach to expand on all levels including abroad to Europe and sadly, like Pan Am, MX went bust in 2011 and finally declared insolvent in 2014. This allowed for the new Mexican LLC's with their lower cost structure to enter the scene and one in particular, Interjet is already down on its knees ten years later. So, there you go. Time will tell...
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:13 pm

lightsaber wrote:
LatinPlane wrote:
Highlights:

    Reduction in fleet from 107 to approximately 80 aircraft by end of 2020.
    Accelerate Embraer-190 retirement and upgauge to all Boeing 737 and 789 fleet.
    Increase seating capacity on 737 fleet. From flying 16B+144E to 12B + 156E on 738s for a total of 8 extra seats. 787 seating will remain constant.
    Renegotiate all contracts on all its remaining fleet to bring lease rates to new market reality conditions.
    Right size and renegotiate labor contracts with all employee groups bringing labor cost down from 20% to 15% to close rival Volaris/Viva Aerobus which stand at 12% of total costs.
    Increase cooperation with partner Delta Air Lines (more flight sharing) and closer links to LATAM.
    AM plans to have lowest cost structure (CASM) of the 4 largest Latin American carriers and lowest CASM to any U.S. carrier.

Pretty solid and transparent business case should things go according to plan. Targets Chapter 11 exit in 2021.


4. The DL-AeroMexico-LATAM strategy could be interesting.

Lightsaber

Late edit: I do not see any new orders for years.

It absolutely makes sense for AM-LA to be closer but I'm curious how close they'd be allowed to get. The Chilean courts wouldn't allow an AA-LA JV due to overlap on one route, MIA-SCL. MEX-SCL seems like it would be a similar issue. Copa and AV (among others) had the ability to take passengers with one stop on MIA-SCL, but that didn't matter for the antitrust concerns of the Chileans. Now the Latin aviation market seems like it will be even more condensed with AV struggling (and most carriers shrinking somewhat) the most and they're the biggest competitor to LA in much of Latin America.
Do you think AM envisions a codeshare with LA and hopes for a JV?
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:13 pm

I wonder how AM will manage to secure their valuable slots at MEX, avoiding further LCC expansion, and also keep the most-needed capacity discipline to face these tough times with the B737 as their smaller fleet type.

Retiring the E190s seems a very shortsighted plan, with bad consequences in the long term.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sat Aug 22, 2020 10:09 pm

SA280 wrote:
I wonder how AM will manage to secure their valuable slots at MEX, avoiding further LCC expansion, and also keep the most-needed capacity discipline to face these tough times with the B737 as their smaller fleet type.

Retiring the E190s seems a very shortsighted plan, with bad consequences in the long term.


How is retiring the E-190s leading to bad consequences? The 737-700s and E-170 are already leaving the fleet. It's the exact same thing COPA is doing as it just sold its entire fleet of E-190s to an Australian airline.

What I can see happening in the future if everything pans out for AM is the acquisition of the Airbus A220s, once things start stabilizing. The A220 with its tremendous range and can fly from MEX to many cities in Northern South America or Canada for example. It is such a versatile plane that AM would be able to compete with VIVA Aerobus easily on domestic routes due to its superb low operating costs. AM was already exploring the option and had intended to make a decision on the replacement of the Embraer planes this year.
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:51 pm

LatinPlane wrote:
SA280 wrote:
I wonder how AM will manage to secure their valuable slots at MEX, avoiding further LCC expansion, and also keep the most-needed capacity discipline to face these tough times with the B737 as their smaller fleet type.

Retiring the E190s seems a very shortsighted plan, with bad consequences in the long term.


How is retiring the E-190s leading to bad consequences? The 737-700s and E-170 are already leaving the fleet. It's the exact same thing COPA is doing as it just sold its entire fleet of E-190s to an Australian airline.

What I can see happening in the future if everything pans out for AM is the acquisition of the Airbus A220s, once things start stabilizing. The A220 with its tremendous range and can fly from MEX to many cities in Northern South America or Canada for example. It is such a versatile plane that AM would be able to compete with VIVA Aerobus easily on domestic routes due to its superb low operating costs. AM was already exploring the option and had intended to make a decision on the replacement of the Embraer planes this year.

I find it interesting that both the E170 and E190 are leaving the fleet. This implies Marginal routes weren't profitable enough and I suspect stations will close.

Once the economy improves, AM will need aircraft and I would expect the A220 vs. E2 to compete. Due to shortfield advantages, I would expect the A223 over the E2-195.

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:01 pm

lightsaber wrote:
LatinPlane wrote:
SA280 wrote:
I wonder how AM will manage to secure their valuable slots at MEX, avoiding further LCC expansion, and also keep the most-needed capacity discipline to face these tough times with the B737 as their smaller fleet type.

Retiring the E190s seems a very shortsighted plan, with bad consequences in the long term.


How is retiring the E-190s leading to bad consequences? The 737-700s and E-170 are already leaving the fleet. It's the exact same thing COPA is doing as it just sold its entire fleet of E-190s to an Australian airline.

What I can see happening in the future if everything pans out for AM is the acquisition of the Airbus A220s, once things start stabilizing. The A220 with its tremendous range and can fly from MEX to many cities in Northern South America or Canada for example. It is such a versatile plane that AM would be able to compete with VIVA Aerobus easily on domestic routes due to its superb low operating costs. AM was already exploring the option and had intended to make a decision on the replacement of the Embraer planes this year.

I find it interesting that both the E170 and E190 are leaving the fleet. This implies Marginal routes weren't profitable enough and I suspect stations will close.

Once the economy improves, AM will need aircraft and I would expect the A220 vs. E2 to compete. Due to shortfield advantages, I would expect the A223 over the E2-195.

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You also have to recall before the pandemic, AM were going to put out an RFP for 60-ERJ-195E2 or A222-300 AC to upgauge their AM connection fleet.
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Sun Aug 23, 2020 6:20 pm

Oliver2020 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
LatinPlane wrote:

How is retiring the E-190s leading to bad consequences? The 737-700s and E-170 are already leaving the fleet. It's the exact same thing COPA is doing as it just sold its entire fleet of E-190s to an Australian airline.

What I can see happening in the future if everything pans out for AM is the acquisition of the Airbus A220s, once things start stabilizing. The A220 with its tremendous range and can fly from MEX to many cities in Northern South America or Canada for example. It is such a versatile plane that AM would be able to compete with VIVA Aerobus easily on domestic routes due to its superb low operating costs. AM was already exploring the option and had intended to make a decision on the replacement of the Embraer planes this year.

I find it interesting that both the E170 and E190 are leaving the fleet. This implies Marginal routes weren't profitable enough and I suspect stations will close.

Once the economy improves, AM will need aircraft and I would expect the A220 vs. E2 to compete. Due to shortfield advantages, I would expect the A223 over the E2-195.

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I think that Connect will eventually disappear, and AM will become a monofleet of 737s for the short and medium haul, they are following the same steps of the LCCs. Of course this also means a massive renegotiation of contracts with the unions and layoffs abound. I don´t see them buying anything besides the orders they already had for the MAX for the next five or years. All flying is going to a very streamlined mainline from now on.
You also have to recall before the pandemic, AM were going to put out an RFP for 60-ERJ-195E2 or A222-300 AC to upgauge their AM connection fleet.
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:07 am

According to the latest news regarding AM's reorganization plan under Chapter 11:

The airline is negotiating with all leasing companies to modify its monthly lease terms into PBH (Power By The Hour) contracts in order to remain super agile until things are somewhat predictable again.

These contracts include the following fleet:

22 - 737-800 (of 34)
3 - 737Max (of 6)
7 - 788 (of 9) *2 are already leaving fleet end of year
8 - 789s (of 10)
32 - E190s (of 47)


The airline fully owns 2 738s and 2 737s and partially owns another 18 aircraft under operating loan contracts. Current fleet stands at 105 aircraft, thus another 11 aircraft leases are likely to be offloaded and sent back to the lessors.

Source, in Spanish: http://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2020/09/16/arrendamiento-por-hora-reducira-costos-y-riesgos-de-aeromexico
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:08 pm

Aeromexico restructuring being held up as struggles to reach an agreement with bondholders led by Apollo Global Management over a US$1 billion DIP loan and how much say Apollo will have in guiding the restructuring process.
Hearing regarding the DIP plan has been delayed four times as parties cant agree.

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:14 pm

LatinPlane wrote:
According to the latest news regarding AM's reorganization plan under Chapter 11:

The airline is negotiating with all leasing companies to modify its monthly lease terms into PBH (Power By The Hour) contracts in order to remain super agile until things are somewhat predictable again.

These contracts include the following fleet:

22 - 737-800 (of 34)
3 - 737Max (of 6)
7 - 788 (of 9) *2 are already leaving fleet end of year
8 - 789s (of 10)
32 - E190s (of 47)


The airline fully owns 2 738s and 2 737s and partially owns another 18 aircraft under operating loan contracts. Current fleet stands at 105 aircraft, thus another 11 aircraft leases are likely to be offloaded and sent back to the lessors.

Source, in Spanish: http://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2020/09/16/arrendamiento-por-hora-reducira-costos-y-riesgos-de-aeromexico

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:29 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
LatinPlane wrote:
AM's plan of action with it's Chapter 11 reorganization = become a leaner more agile airline with a cost structure that closely competes with Mexican LCC's on the domestic market and best cost structure than any U.S. or Latin American carrier for the international front.

https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/default/files/3_Cleansing_Materials_compressed.pdf

Highlights:

    Reduction in fleet from 107 to approximately 80 aircraft by end of 2020.
    Accelerate Embraer-190 retirement and upgauge to all Boeing 737 and 789 fleet.
    Increase seating capacity on 737 fleet. From flying 16B+144E to 12B + 156E on 738s for a total of 8 extra seats. 787 seating will remain constant.
    Renegotiate all contracts on all its remaining fleet to bring lease rates to new market reality conditions.
    Right size and renegotiate labor contracts with all employee groups bringing labor cost down from 20% to 15% to close rival Volaris/Viva Aerobus which stand at 12% of total costs.
    Increase cooperation with partner Delta Air Lines (more flight sharing) and closer links to LATAM.
    AM plans to have lowest cost structure (CASM) of the 4 largest Latin American carriers and lowest CASM to any U.S. carrier.

Pretty solid and transparent business case should things go according to plan. Targets Chapter 11 exit in 2021.


Thanks for sharing. An interesting quote - sounds positive for the MAX:

"Aeromexico will significantly reduce the number regional of aircraft in favor of larger and more efficient 737-800 / MAX-8 / MAX9, which will drive average narrow-body gauge up from 120 to 150 by 2023
‒ This will be achieved rapidly in a variety of ways; contracts are being negotiated and details will soon be announced"


Also, this explains DL taking over LAX and JFK to MEX - "‒ As an example, Delta will be providing relief aircraft to accelerate the speed of Aeromexico´s fleet transformation."



Does anyone have this file? The link is no longer active and I can't find it anywhere!
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:38 am

Has DIP financing been resolved? If not, we're all wasting electrons...

Boof02671 wrote:
LatinPlane wrote:
According to the latest news regarding AM's reorganization plan under Chapter 11:

The airline is negotiating with all leasing companies to modify its monthly lease terms into PBH (Power By The Hour) contracts in order to remain super agile until things are somewhat predictable again.

These contracts include the following fleet:

22 - 737-800 (of 34)
3 - 737Max (of 6)
7 - 788 (of 9) *2 are already leaving fleet end of year
8 - 789s (of 10)
32 - E190s (of 47)


The airline fully owns 2 738s and 2 737s and partially owns another 18 aircraft under operating loan contracts. Current fleet stands at 105 aircraft, thus another 11 aircraft leases are likely to be offloaded and sent back to the lessors.

Source, in Spanish: http://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2020/09/16/arrendamiento-por-hora-reducira-costos-y-riesgos-de-aeromexico

Power By the Hour is for engines, not planes.

Power by the Hour is a RR marketing term, but there have been aircraft leased on a Power by the hour basis.

For example, Hi Fly has one A380 leased on Power by the Hour, or that at least was the terms of the prior assumption:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1435513

Leasing companies do not want to lease an airframe power by the hour. We don't know the specific terms. Even a Power by the hour lease has at lease fixed annual payments of some amount. But those payments are discounted away if a minimum number of hours are flown. Or a Power by the Hour lease will have a minimum charged hours per year.

But what would the leasing companies do? The resale market for aircraft is very thin.
With 12 of 34 737-800s being returned, the leasing companies that draw a hard line will receive back an aircraft they will have to market in a tough environment.
With half the MAX being returned, there is some leverage.
The 789s probably less leverage, but some.
The E190s are in surplus with AA and AC recently retiring their fleets.

The E190 market was so-so 3 months ago when prior contracts were still in effect. Now?
viewtopic.php?t=1449067

Well, Leeham has lease rates for a 5 year old example down 30% (sale price down 22%) for the E190LR in August:
https://leehamnews.com/2020/08/19/hotr- ... to-plunge/

I'd bet some leasing companies will effectively agree to forfeit a bit of short term revenue to keep the aircraft placed on a power by the hour contract that has a good chance of a better return than trying to find a new home for the aircraft. Power by the hour aircraft leases are not common nor desirable by the leasing company in normal times. These times are not normal.

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:48 am

I have to wonder if DL might be willing to take any of the MAX 8s if they are really interested in the model. As it is, with the JV, AM will likely give up some of its USA routes for good.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:22 am

lightsaber wrote:
Has DIP financing been resolved? If not, we're all wasting electrons...

Boof02671 wrote:
LatinPlane wrote:
According to the latest news regarding AM's reorganization plan under Chapter 11:

The airline is negotiating with all leasing companies to modify its monthly lease terms into PBH (Power By The Hour) contracts in order to remain super agile until things are somewhat predictable again.

These contracts include the following fleet:

22 - 737-800 (of 34)
3 - 737Max (of 6)
7 - 788 (of 9) *2 are already leaving fleet end of year
8 - 789s (of 10)
32 - E190s (of 47)


The airline fully owns 2 738s and 2 737s and partially owns another 18 aircraft under operating loan contracts. Current fleet stands at 105 aircraft, thus another 11 aircraft leases are likely to be offloaded and sent back to the lessors.

Source, in Spanish: http://a21.com.mx/aerolineas/2020/09/16/arrendamiento-por-hora-reducira-costos-y-riesgos-de-aeromexico

Power By the Hour is for engines, not planes.

Power by the Hour is a RR marketing term, but there have been aircraft leased on a Power by the hour basis.

For example, Hi Fly has one A380 leased on Power by the Hour, or that at least was the terms of the prior assumption:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1435513

Leasing companies do not want to lease an airframe power by the hour. We don't know the specific terms. Even a Power by the hour lease has at lease fixed annual payments of some amount. But those payments are discounted away if a minimum number of hours are flown. Or a Power by the Hour lease will have a minimum charged hours per year.

But what would the leasing companies do? The resale market for aircraft is very thin.
With 12 of 34 737-800s being returned, the leasing companies that draw a hard line will receive back an aircraft they will have to market in a tough environment.
With half the MAX being returned, there is some leverage.
The 789s probably less leverage, but some.
The E190s are in surplus with AA and AC recently retiring their fleets.

The E190 market was so-so 3 months ago when prior contracts were still in effect. Now?
viewtopic.php?t=1449067

Well, Leeham has lease rates for a 5 year old example down 30% (sale price down 22%) for the E190LR in August:
https://leehamnews.com/2020/08/19/hotr- ... to-plunge/

I'd bet some leasing companies will effectively agree to forfeit a bit of short term revenue to keep the aircraft placed on a power by the hour contract that has a good chance of a better return than trying to find a new home for the aircraft. Power by the hour aircraft leases are not common nor desirable by the leasing company in normal times. These times are not normal.

Lightsaber


Power by the hour is definitely used in the industry for much more than engine leases. As you say, when times are tough, lessors may agree to lease agreements where for a period of time, the lessee only pays rent, or pays only some rent, to the extent they're operating the aircraft.

Note that there's value in a lessor placing an aircraft at a credible lessee, because that lessee will take care of the aircraft on its maintenance program - it has to do that, however little it operates the aircraft. The lessor may not get much money for the aircraft, but at least it's insured, it's being taken care of, etc.

In a perfect world, a lessor is never directly responsible for one of its aircraft - the aircraft goes from one lessee to another, never off of the certificate of an airline. Lessors really hate to be directly responsible for one of their aircraft. I know one airline that had leased an aircraft but the aircraft came from the prior operator in dreadful condition, requiring substantial structural work before it could again be placed into service. The lessor begged the new lessee to accept the aircraft and do the work while it was on its certificate - the new lessee said, nope, nothing doing, we both know the aircraft can't pass its technical acceptance inspection and we, the new lessee, do not want to have to spend the time and energy to oversee the substantial structural work necessary - even if the lessor paid for everything, it would still be a substantial drain on resources for the new lessee.

So the lessor had to take back the aircraft, arrange for a crew to fly the aircraft, carefully, halfway across the world to have the structural work done, and only then, after the work was done, would the new lessee take it. And that was a serious burden on the lessor because they had to pay for engineers to oversee the work, pay for crews to reposition the aircraft, etc etc. Plus they had to insure the thing, register it, etc. The whole idea of being a lessor is to avoid this kind of thing.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Oct 22, 2020 3:50 am

According to this operating report for September, Aeromexico has received funds from their DIP loan.

https://document.epiq11.com/document/ge ... &source=DM
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:36 pm

Aeromexico obtained court approval to dismiss up to 766 crew members as part of its restructuring.

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:43 pm

Now looking at 1,830 additional employee cuts.

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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:25 pm

Back in the day Mexican carriers were the a majority the only way to Mexican resort cities. How come they changed that and gave it basically all up aside from CUN to US operators? Seems like most Mexican flights typically only serve MEX, GDL and a handful of mainland cities from the US. Could Mexican carriers be in a better place right now had they kept the US-Mexican Leisure markets since those seem to be doing well during the pandemic?
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:32 pm

nine4nine wrote:
Back in the day Mexican carriers were the a majority the only way to Mexican resort cities. How come they changed that and gave it basically all up aside from CUN to US operators? Seems like most Mexican flights typically only serve MEX, GDL and a handful of mainland cities from the US. Could Mexican carriers be in a better place right now had they kept the US-Mexican Leisure markets since those seem to be doing well during the pandemic?

The point of sale for those leisure flights is heavily skewed to the American side, where US carriers obviously have a huge advantage over Mexican carriers. That is why Mexican carriers have largely dropped them and even in the current environment it would be an uphill battle.
 
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Re: Updated: Aeroméxico files for Chapter 11

Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:07 pm

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