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BojamDelta
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West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:04 pm

A West Atlantic ATP gets into a bit of trouble whilst landing at a blustery BHX.
After touch down it looks like pilot over correction forces it off the runway onto the grass
before eventually making its way back on to the runway.
Apologies if it’s already on here, hopefully the link works!

https://youtu.be/H5mnCEMzV-0
 
dcajet
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Re: ATP goes off runway during landing.

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:06 pm

Is it me or does the rear left door appear to be open during landing?
Keep calm and wash your hands.
 
smokeybandit
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Re: ATP goes off runway during landing.

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:28 pm

Nice save.
 
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Re: ATP goes off runway during landing.

Fri Jun 19, 2020 9:36 pm

dcajet wrote:
Is it me or does the rear left door appear to be open during landing?


No, it is the rear fuselage logo deceiving you.
 
b4thefall
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Re: ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:25 am

Wow! Must have been a bit of a fright!

As a passenger, I loved the ATP. Only managed 2 flights on the type. 1 on Manx and 1 on BA. It was probably the closest feeling i'll ever get to flying on a "big" propliner of days gone by, simply due to it's height off the ground because of its low slung wing and engines. The ATR or Q400 simply don't have the same gravitas in my opinion.
 
crownvic
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:20 am

And you have to give BAe credit for building a pretty tough airplane. Similar generation aircraft could easily have had a landing gear collapse.
 
barney captain
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:25 am

I see zero rudder deflection - the airplane did exactly what they allowed it to do.
Southeast Of Disorder
 
RickNRoll
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:39 am

It looked like he had time for a go-around.
 
AAMDanny
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:12 am

BojamDelta wrote:
A West Atlantic ATP gets into a bit of trouble whilst landing at a blustery BHX.
After touch down it looks like pilot over correction forces it off the runway onto the grass
before eventually making its way back on to the runway.
Apologies if it’s already on here, hopefully the link works!

https://youtu.be/H5mnCEMzV-0


That was also, their second attempt at landing at BHX, the first attempt can be seen here, where they execute a go around after touchdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etkyguzNXBM
 
reltney
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:06 pm

barney captain wrote:
I see zero rudder deflection - the airplane did exactly what they allowed it to do.



Spot on. No left aileron into the x-wind. The inexperienced pilot did put right aileron in to “help” get back on the runway......wrong.

For the non pilots here, this is a pure pilot runway excursion. Not using proper crosswind techniques caused this...nothing else...no, they don’t need to be fired but 10 hours in a taildragger would help plus common sense. Totally inexcusable. I see this happen today.

Best story. ATL-LHR around 1030pm. The crosswind was 25kts direct...180 at 25kts. We were using 27R. I was in the jumpseat as a non flying pilot. Plane 767. The capt started the takeoff roll with no aileron input. (No big deal). At 80kts the left wing was trying to fly and we had about a 3 degree bank to the right because he did not add any aileron to keep the wings level...dumb...you can add about 5-7 units of deflection before you get the roll spoilers. That’s about all you really want. At 150kts the plane started about a 20degree crab into the wind because of the slick runway. About then the copilot stated out loud, “you need to add left aileron”.. the IDIOT capt said shut up and pushed full forward on the yoke. Well, we were still about 10kts from V1 and the plane with the nose down elevator suddenly gained traction and darted for the weeds. The F/O correctly yelled I have the plane, rolled in left aileron,right rudder and rotated as we left the left side of the runway. We got airborne, no tail strike, no runway excursion. Then the fight started...... the super idiot capt was relieved of the trip and deadheaded home from LHR for a few simulator rides. Idiots make it to the top sometimes...

Fly the plane....it’s not hard...


Cheers from the line...
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OUTLAW KNIVES.

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CATIIIevery5yrs
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:03 pm

reltney wrote:
barney captain wrote:
I see zero rudder deflection - the airplane did exactly what they allowed it to do.



Spot on. No left aileron into the x-wind. The inexperienced pilot did put right aileron in to “help” get back on the runway......wrong.

For the non pilots here, this is a pure pilot runway excursion. Not using proper crosswind techniques caused this...nothing else...no, they don’t need to be fired but 10 hours in a taildragger would help plus common sense. Totally inexcusable. I see this happen today.

Best story. ATL-LHR around 1030pm. The crosswind was 25kts direct...180 at 25kts. We were using 27R. I was in the jumpseat as a non flying pilot. Plane 767. The capt started the takeoff roll with no aileron input. (No big deal). At 80kts the left wing was trying to fly and we had about a 3 degree bank to the right because he did not add any aileron to keep the wings level...dumb...you can add about 5-7 units of deflection before you get the roll spoilers. That’s about all you really want. At 150kts the plane started about a 20degree crab into the wind because of the slick runway. About then the copilot stated out loud, “you need to add left aileron”.. the IDIOT capt said shut up and pushed full forward on the yoke. Well, we were still about 10kts from V1 and the plane with the nose down elevator suddenly gained traction and darted for the weeds. The F/O correctly yelled I have the plane, rolled in left aileron,right rudder and rotated as we left the left side of the runway. We got airborne, no tail strike, no runway excursion. Then the fight started...... the super idiot capt was relieved of the trip and deadheaded home from LHR for a few simulator rides. Idiots make it to the top sometimes...

Fly the plane....it’s not hard...


Cheers from the line...


Does your ID say CA, FO, or Sky King?
 
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:07 pm

Will/Should this be reported as an 'incident'?
 
N766UA
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:08 pm

A little right rudder and that would have been a solid landing.

You’d think they’d teach that in pilot school.
 
reltney
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:22 am

CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:
reltney wrote:
barney captain wrote:
I see zero rudder deflection - the airplane did exactly what they allowed it to do.



Spot on. No left aileron into the x-wind. The inexperienced pilot did put right aileron in to “help” get back on the runway......wrong.

For the non pilots here, this is a pure pilot runway excursion. Not using proper crosswind techniques caused this...nothing else...no, they don’t need to be fired but 10 hours in a taildragger would help plus common sense. Totally inexcusable. I see this happen today.

Best story. ATL-LHR around 1030pm. The crosswind was 25kts direct...180 at 25kts. We were using 27R. I was in the jumpseat as a non flying pilot. Plane 767. The capt started the takeoff roll with no aileron input. (No big deal). At 80kts the left wing was trying to fly and we had about a 3 degree bank to the right because he did not add any aileron to keep the wings level...dumb...you can add about 5-7 units of deflection before you get the roll spoilers. That’s about all you really want. At 150kts the plane started about a 20degree crab into the wind because of the slick runway. About then the copilot stated out loud, “you need to add left aileron”.. the IDIOT capt said shut up and pushed full forward on the yoke. Well, we were still about 10kts from V1 and the plane with the nose down elevator suddenly gained traction and darted for the weeds. The F/O correctly yelled I have the plane, rolled in left aileron,right rudder and rotated as we left the left side of the runway. We got airborne, no tail strike, no runway excursion. Then the fight started...... the super idiot capt was relieved of the trip and deadheaded home from LHR for a few simulator rides. Idiots make it to the top sometimes...

Fly the plane....it’s not hard...


Cheers from the line...


Does your ID say CA, FO, or Sky King?


It says “Legend”.....well, in my own mind... But the ID on the F/O that leg say “Hero”....

Sometimes it takes a second to change the outcome ....
The airline has a good reporting system in house and between pilots. It’s rare we use it but glad it’s there.
Thanks for the humor!

Cheers
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:03 am

reltney wrote:
CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:
reltney wrote:


Spot on. No left aileron into the x-wind. The inexperienced pilot did put right aileron in to “help” get back on the runway......wrong.

For the non pilots here, this is a pure pilot runway excursion. Not using proper crosswind techniques caused this...nothing else...no, they don’t need to be fired but 10 hours in a taildragger would help plus common sense. Totally inexcusable. I see this happen today.

Best story. ATL-LHR around 1030pm. The crosswind was 25kts direct...180 at 25kts. We were using 27R. I was in the jumpseat as a non flying pilot. Plane 767. The capt started the takeoff roll with no aileron input. (No big deal). At 80kts the left wing was trying to fly and we had about a 3 degree bank to the right because he did not add any aileron to keep the wings level...dumb...you can add about 5-7 units of deflection before you get the roll spoilers. That’s about all you really want. At 150kts the plane started about a 20degree crab into the wind because of the slick runway. About then the copilot stated out loud, “you need to add left aileron”.. the IDIOT capt said shut up and pushed full forward on the yoke. Well, we were still about 10kts from V1 and the plane with the nose down elevator suddenly gained traction and darted for the weeds. The F/O correctly yelled I have the plane, rolled in left aileron,right rudder and rotated as we left the left side of the runway. We got airborne, no tail strike, no runway excursion. Then the fight started...... the super idiot capt was relieved of the trip and deadheaded home from LHR for a few simulator rides. Idiots make it to the top sometimes...

Fly the plane....it’s not hard...


Cheers from the line...


Does your ID say CA, FO, or Sky King?


It says “Legend”.....well, in my own mind... But the ID on the F/O that leg say “Hero”....

Sometimes it takes a second to change the outcome ....
The airline has a good reporting system in house and between pilots. It’s rare we use it but glad it’s there.
Thanks for the humor!

Cheers


Thanks for the bluntness (honestly). Good to hear the FO took no BS from the Capt, said 'my airplane' and took over. Kudos to him/her. Hope he/she has been promoted by now. Sounds like the FO was the only thing between 'unpleasant' and possible disaster.
 
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:28 am

barney captain wrote:
I see zero rudder deflection - the airplane did exactly what they allowed it to do.


+1

The number of times I watch a colleague scrub the tires - hard - for no reason other than a lazy lack of rudder....drives me crazy.
 
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Re: West Atlantic ATP goes off runway during landing.

Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:45 am

I forgot that type of aircraft even exists.

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