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Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:18 pm

Delta will be flying ATL-JNB-CPT-ATL on Airbus 350.

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Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... cape-town/
 
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:25 pm

Discussed elsewhere, but appears to be driven by the reduced performance of the A350 vs retiring 777 more than CPT being a top market choice.
 
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:28 pm

CPT has high end luxury vacations while JNB has more Safaris. UA has been successful launching CPT and I was wondering if UA will continue EWR-CPT with DL on the route.
 
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:31 pm

enilria wrote:
Discussed elsewhere, but appears to be driven by the reduced performance of the A350 vs retiring 777 more than CPT being a top market choice.


Yes. If CPT was a desired destination, DL would add a flight to it, not fly a triangle route with JNB.
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:33 pm

I feel like DL wants higher yields so they can take FULL PAYLOAD from South Africa to the USA. I bet when SAA was flying JNB-JFK non-stop west-bound they probably took a payload hit.
 
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:44 pm

except, this route was for the fact a350 cant perform at JNB. But still, how will the triangle help? Is it for refueling? Because supposedly the 350 doesn't perform at hot and high fields. How will this help? They 350 will still fly at JNB... Please answer me, because I don't understand this in general.
 
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:46 pm

x1234 wrote:
I feel like DL wants higher yields so they can take FULL PAYLOAD from South Africa to the USA. I bet when SAA was flying JNB-JFK non-stop west-bound they probably took a payload hit.


1. nobody flies triangle routes for yields.
2. DL serves JNB from ATL
3. Any source? The 77L can easily handle JNB-ATL
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:47 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
except, this route was for the fact a350 cant perform at JNB. But still, how will the triangle help? Is it for refueling? Because supposedly the 350 doesn't perform at hot and high fields. How will this help? They 350 will still fly at JNB... Please answer me, because I don't understand this in general.


It'll fly with less weight out of JNB (mainly substantially less fuel I'd imagine) for the relatively short hop to CPT. The A350 will be able to do that easily. CPT-ATL can then go out with a full payload as it is much easier than JNB-ATL.
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:47 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
except, this route was for the fact a350 cant perform at JNB. But still, how will the triangle help? Is it for refueling? Because supposedly the 350 doesn't perform at hot and high fields. How will this help? They 350 will still fly at JNB... Please answer me, because I don't understand this in general.


The 350 only has to fly from JNB to CPT. Significantly shorter than having to fly directly back to ATL. They will take on fuel at CPT and CPT is situated much nearer to sea-level and slightly closer to ATL in terms of distance.
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:48 pm

Antarius wrote:
x1234 wrote:
I feel like DL wants higher yields so they can take FULL PAYLOAD from South Africa to the USA. I bet when SAA was flying JNB-JFK non-stop west-bound they probably took a payload hit.


1. nobody flies triangle routes for yields.
2. DL serves JNB from ATL
3. Any source? The 77L can easily handle JNB-ATL


I wouldn't say the 77L can easily handle it. There are often payload restrictions and fuel stops at MCO or SJU in the winter.
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:48 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
except, this route was for the fact a350 cant perform at JNB. But still, how will the triangle help? Is it for refueling? Because supposedly the 350 doesn't perform at hot and high fields. How will this help? They 350 will still fly at JNB... Please answer me, because I don't understand this in general.


The issue is that the a359 cannot make JNB-ATL due to the elevation and distance. So the inbound can land at JNB fine, then do a hop to CPT at which point it will refuel and can take off for ATL.

Similar to the LCY-JFK flight. Stops at SNN for refueling as the a318 can't take off from LCY with enough fuel to cross the pond.
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:48 pm

x1234 wrote:
I feel like DL wants higher yields so they can take FULL PAYLOAD from South Africa to the USA. I bet when SAA was flying JNB-JFK non-stop west-bound they probably took a payload hit.


Maybe. JNB-JFK is meaningfully (in the context of extra miles on a ULH flight) shorter than JNB-ATL. SAA's configs do carry marginally more seats than DL's 359s.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jnb-jfk%0D ... =wls&DU=mi
 
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Re: Delta adds new city Cape Town this fall

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:52 pm

Antarius wrote:
Yes. If CPT was a desired destination, DL would add a flight to it, not fly a triangle route with JNB.


Because nobody ever does tag flights?! Spend a minute with an Alaska Airlines route map. An A350 or 777 (given the absence of 787s in the DL fleet) is a pretty big increment of capacity to fill on CPT-ATL.

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