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Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:23 pm

I remember when hush kits came our way for the 727s and that kinda took care of that. Since that time I don't remember complaints coming forth on this issue. As new engine technology came engines naturally became quieter. So what's the beef? Maybe forum members in the Denver area can enlighten the rest of us as to what in the world is going on.

Courtesy: Fox News

Denver International Airport fined $33.5M for noise violations

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/denver-international-airport-fined-33-million-for-noise-violations
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:29 pm

What? This is why they built DIA in the middle of nowhere to avoid this.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:41 pm

From what developments, Reunion and Green Valley Ranch? It's bullshit and don't live near an airport!
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:43 pm

The airport was there before many of those neighborhoods that are complaining. They knew DEN was there and should’ve known the airport was only going to grow which of course results in more flights and noise. Ridiculous.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:04 pm

Runways 17L-35R and 8-26 on the east side of DEN are further from residential neighborhoods than the other runways at DEN.

The noise impacts to neighborhoods near DEN could be lessened by decreasing usage of runway 7-25 (which is closer to residential neighborhoods) and increasing usage of runways 17L-35R and 8-26 which are further from residential neighborhoods.

A seventh runway could also be constructed to the east of runway 17L-35R at DEN to lessen the noise impacts to residential neighborhoods near DEN.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:07 pm

Wow, that is rich! Anybody have an aerial photo of the area when the airport opened?
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:12 pm

The airport was built in the middle of nowhere to avoid this. People built their houses around it and complain about the noise!
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:38 pm

jplatts wrote:
The noise impacts to neighborhoods near DEN could be lessened by decreasing usage of runway 7-25 (which is closer to residential neighborhoods)


Already been done, to a degree. Historic heavy use of Runway 7 for arrivals has been severely curtailed for the last 4-5 years. Of course MD-80's wont be a factor going forward, but they were sent to runways other than 25 for departures. Not utilizing 25 for departures would negatively effect arrival rates in most common configs.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:44 pm

The article which was linked doesn't even come close to addressing the issue with the lawsuit.

"The ruling from Jefferson County District Judge Christie Bachmeyer was handed down on Friday but became public Monday. The judge concluded that DIA didn’t properly monitor noise emanating from aircraft using the airport, violating an intergovernmental agreement it had with the county that goes back to the late 1980s, when the airport was built."

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/06/22/d ... ms-county/

In terms of Aurora wanting housing allowed closer to the airport which was a topic last year, that is just stupid.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:48 pm

Thank the developer morons who developed subdivisions like Reunion with 10,000 homes right next door to the airport. I believe there is a current legal battle with the city of aurora regarding allowing a residential subdivision right under the flight path for the future 7R/25L. But then again with the influx of people moving into Colorado who know damn well they are buying near an airport but raise hell about the noise anyways. And sadly its not even limited to the direct surrounding area, I live 35nm northwest of the airport between the approaches and people who just moved here complain about the noise from planes on approach (really makes me want to ask them if they ever fly commercially then point out the fact the planes have to go somewhhere).
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:48 pm

JHwk wrote:
Wow, that is rich! Anybody have an aerial photo of the area when the airport opened?


Some historical images of the area around Denver International Airport can be viewed online at https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer.

There were some homes built in the southern part of the Green Valley Ranch neighborhood prior to the opening of the current Denver International Airport back in the 1980's and early 1990's, but homes weren't built in the northern part of the Green Valley Ranch neighborhood until the 2000's.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:46 pm

Wait until the build out of 12 runways comes to fruition, if ever LOL. Better start building new airport near Akron haha...
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:50 pm

Sounds like a bunch of Karens and Kens who just like to complain. This happened in Trenton, NJ (TTN). Airport has had commerical service on and off since 1976 The current group of NIMBYs are in a development that started in like 85 when UA mainline flew 727s to ORD. Probably only 1-2 a day but 727s are loud much louder than the 320CEO/NEOs that service the airport today. They said they moved there for peace and quiet the rural feel of the area that was close to Philly and NYC. Hmm..you live in between the #1 metro area in the US and the #8 metro area in the US 2 miles from an airport that has commercial service directly lined up with the runway..I wonder if in 10-20 years service might increase to the airport? A bunch of them bought their homes after Eastwind came in with their 737s with serving multiple cities like GSO, RIC, MCO. Then Southwest tried to come in but they drove them off. By now they should have gotten the idea that it wouldn't have stayed the quiet little town forever but when Frontier came in, it was all I live in a quiet area. If I had lived here and the attempts kept increasing, I would have said I think the days of this being a quiet area are done and at minimum moved to another area even in town that didn't line up to the runway.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:50 pm

It must be all the black helicopters that arrive and depart constantly.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:16 pm

Interesting. The airport doesn't make noise. Airplanes make the noise.

In my opinion, if you complain about noise, you should be banned from traveling by air.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:54 am

Part of the agreement when the airport was built was that there would be a noise monitoring system installed, whenever a violation is recorded a $500,000 fine is issued. There were some disputes in recent years as to how the system was calculating the violations which led to the lawsuit. Honestly it is kind of ridiculous that the airport is fined that much for something that is out of their control as they do not control runway usage or flight paths. It sucks ever more right now as the airport is really tight on cash, so loosing $33 million is a huge deal right now. Below is an attached map with the red stars being the noise sensors, and the green dots being noise complaints. 3 household accounted for 81% of the complaints in Q1.

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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:56 am

Hahaha this is comical. There's nothing out there. These people buy a house "close" to the airport and then complain about the noise. These are the same type of people complaining about the unbearable noise from Cessna 172s at Rocky Mtn Metro.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:01 am

DEN1895 wrote:
Part of the agreement when the airport was built was that there would be a noise monitoring system installed, whenever a violation is recorded a $500,000 fine is issued. There were some disputes in recent years as to how the system was calculating the violations which led to the lawsuit. Honestly it is kind of ridiculous that the airport is fined that much for something that is out of their control as they do not control runway usage or flight paths. It sucks ever more right now as the airport is really tight on cash, so loosing $33 million is a huge deal right now. Below is an attached map with the red stars being the noise sensors, and the green dots being noise complaints. 3 household accounted for 81% of the complaints in Q1.

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I don't take any of these complaints seriously, but the person in the top left of Area 2 needs to get a life.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:58 am

The NIMBYs complaining about the "noise" from DEN should be forced to spend 30 minutes within 10 miles of any military airfield.

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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:34 am

vatveng wrote:
The NIMBYs complaining about the "noise" from DEN should be forced to spend 30 minutes within 10 miles of any military airfield.

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See area 3 on that map
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:41 am

Varsity1 wrote:
The airport was built in the middle of nowhere to avoid this. People built their houses around it and complain about the noise!


It's a cheap shot to blame the people who live there. Those who zoned the area as residential and made money out of it are the real culprits here!

The real estate can be a really nasty money-grab with estates being developed on all sort of places (e.g. flight paths, toxic dumps) without residents being aware of it. Where I live, I've seen realtors holding home inspections only on days when curfews are in place.
 
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Re: Denver International Airport Fined $33.5M For Noise Violations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:33 am

vatveng wrote:
The NIMBYs complaining about the "noise" from DEN should be forced to spend 30 minutes within 10 miles of any military airfield.


Buckley Air Force Base is south of I70 between I225 and E470. Measuring on google maps it is 8.9 miles from runway to runway (DEN to BKF).

Not the first payment for noise - $26 million in 2002. It was noted they violated noise on 9/12/2001 - when basically nothing flew. https://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stor ... ily49.html

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