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Revisiting MH370

Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:35 pm

Hey everyone:

Has anything new come forward regarding MH flight 370?

I know we have had a few threads on the topics over the years, but was wondering what the consensus was at the moment?

Is pilot suicide still believed by many to be the most likely cause?
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:51 am

I’m still on the pilot suicide covered-up by the government theory.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:08 am

southwest1675 wrote:
I’m still on the pilot suicide covered-up by the government theory.


You seem to be literally using the word theory there, “used in describing what is supposed to happen or be possible, usually with the implication that it does not in fact happen”

There is no evidence to support that idea.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:23 am

zeke wrote:
You seem to be literally using the word theory there

What did you expect him to do, quote the non-existent official probable cause?? Of course he'd use the word 'theory'...


zeke wrote:
“used in describing what is supposed to happen or be possible, usually with the implication that it does not in fact happen”

Apparently you don't quite grasp the concept yourself, either.

Scientific theories are actually quite solid, not as nebulous or based-in-fantasy as your bizarre dictionary definition suggests. The big bang theory, for instance. Obviously it cannot be proven to a certainty, but yet is upheld as scientific principle. Besides, two can play the dictionary game:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory
"a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena"

"Plausible". "Scientifically acceptable". Some definitions do not have as much derision for the word, as you do.


zeke wrote:
There is no evidence to support that idea.

There's actually quite a bit of evidence to support that idea. But, we all view the world through the filter of our own eyes. Clearly, you don't want it to be true, so you reject the idea outright. Others like southwest1675 find it more compelling.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:32 am

I still think the theory about a battery fire in the forward cargo hold which destroyed the avionics bay below the cockpit the most plausible.

All things considered it is the most likely explanation.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:36 am

kulwinder wrote:
I still think the theory about a battery fire in the forward cargo hold which destroyed the avionics bay below the cockpit the most plausible.

All things considered it is the most likely explanation.


A fire magically and instantly destroyed the avionics bay, then extinguished itself, leaving the crew dead after making multiple course changes without any communications, then the plane flew for hours. That’s the most likely in your mind?
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:46 am

Hijacking has not been ruled out?
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:54 am

Transpac787 wrote:
What did you expect him to do, quote the non-existent official probable cause?? Of course he'd use the word 'theory'...


Yes please, quote the Australian ATSB reports.

Transpac787 wrote:
There's actually quite a bit of evidence to support that idea. But, we all view the world through the filter of our own eyes. Clearly, you don't want it to be true, so you reject the idea outright. Others like southwest1675 find it more compelling.


If there is evidence it will be contained in the Australian ATSB report, please quote the evidence. Your assertion without any evidence is the Malaysian Government is covering things up, however both Australian and US agencies have looked into the captains home situation including his PC and have not come to the conclusion ias to evidence of suicide.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:58 am

Lithium-ion batteries are notoriously unstable/explosive in the hours immediately after manufacture. The consignment aboard Mh370 had come straight from the factory in KL.

The controlled inputs made by the pilot(s) just after reaching IGARI waypoint was a desperate attempt to return to KL without compass headings due to failed equipment. Essentially flying by guesswork.

Lack of VHF communication also points to widespread loss of equipment.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:11 am

Now more than ever I think that the Chinese Government was behind it.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:28 am

There's nothing new with MH370.

On the other hand, the trial for the perpetrators that shot down MH17 is underway & there's a thread right here - viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1441113

If you want to see an attempt at a cover-up, this is where it is, only the cover-up is on the blasted Russian side.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:29 am

zeke wrote:

If there is evidence it will be contained in the Australian ATSB report, please quote the evidence. Your assertion without any evidence is the Malaysian Government is covering things up, however both Australian and US agencies have looked into the captains home situation including his PC and have not come to the conclusion ias to evidence of suicide.


The guy had waypoints on his sim that pointed nowhere over the southern Indian Ocean.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:54 am

Strato2 wrote:
zeke wrote:


The guy had waypoints on his sim that pointed nowhere over the southern Indian Ocean.


Present evidence from an official report to that effect then. And while your at it, let’s put it into perspective and list all the user waypoints, and when they were created, and not just ones that suit an agenda.

And while we are at it, did he have the ability to generate full flight plans and upload real waypoints at each database cycle or did he have a normal setup that does not have that ?

I have generated waypoints in the middle of nowhere using the TLAR method (that looks about right) to generate a 3-4 segment long distance flight plans. Does that make me suicidal ? No it means that I am too lazy to make 60 waypoints down to the exact decimal second , a few waypoints are good enough to generate a route.

If he is like me he would have made up random waypoints all over the place, if you don’t include all the waypoints he created you are generating bias from the data which isn’t valid.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:56 am

So let’s look at the facts...ATC, military radar tracking and common sense, let’s take out the speculation about motive, experienced pilot, trying to cover up a suicide mass murder. Double back fly to the most remote part of the world, kill your co-pilot/pilot do do a slow decompression of he plane slowly killing all passengers with the majority going to sleep, fly to the most remote part of the planet doing a controlled ditch with the outflow valve open so the plane sinks intact.
The only parts of the plane found are parts of the wing (slats, flaps etc) that may have broken off during the controlled ditch.

I haven’t heard of any other scenario that is as probable.

Just my opinion!

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Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:10 am

Pilots are like police unions. God forbid you call one out. The bananas theories that get espoused to justify are fascinating.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:18 am

kulwinder wrote:
without compass headings due to failed equipment.


777s have a standby (non-electrical) compass.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:19 am

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kulwinder wrote:
without compass headings due to failed equipment.


777s have a standby (non-electrical) compass.


Hear that? That was the sound of a conspiracy theory popping. :)
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:53 am

kulwinder wrote:
Lithium-ion batteries are notoriously unstable/explosive in the hours immediately after manufacture. The consignment aboard Mh370 had come straight from the factory in KL.

The controlled inputs made by the pilot(s) just after reaching IGARI waypoint was a desperate attempt to return to KL without compass headings due to failed equipment. Essentially flying by guesswork.

Lack of VHF communication also points to widespread loss of equipment.


And then what? The aircraft kept flying past Malaysia and Sumatra while on fire? I'm all for hearing about different theory theories (I have my own believes, and I respect and listen to others), but no offense, I don't think you know what you are talking about.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:54 am

santi319 wrote:
Now more than ever I think that the Chinese Government was behind it.


How would they benefit from that?
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:09 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
kulwinder wrote:
I still think the theory about a battery fire in the forward cargo hold which destroyed the avionics bay below the cockpit the most plausible.

All things considered it is the most likely explanation.


A fire magically and instantly destroyed the avionics bay, then extinguished itself, leaving the crew dead after making multiple course changes without any communications, then the plane flew for hours. That’s the most likely in your mind?

Not totally far fetched. Fire happens, they try to turn toward land, get disoriented in the smoke, pass out, plane crashes. Plus there was the MS 777 destroyed by similar circumstance in CAI.

Not saying it's what actually happened, but not totally out of the realm of possibility, especially since the actual aircraft hasn't been found.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:34 am

Transpac787 wrote:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory
"a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena"



Just as an aside, the overwhelmingly widespread incorrect use of the word "theory" is a pet peeve of mine. Until something is either proven or otherwise generally accepted as the valid explanation, it's a hypothesis, not a theory.

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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:42 am

a fire is possible

a suicide is possible
(from both sides of the cockpit)

a failed hijacking

it is not even clear if the last two course changes really happened or if they only should cover up that the malaysian militaery air defense simply sleeps at that night

if there havnt been those two last course changes ... a simple fire would be very probably
if not .... well .... a open case ....
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:01 am

santi319 wrote:
Now more than ever I think that the Chinese Government was behind it.


Yes, my theory is the same. The plane is full of Semi-conductor specialist. And China was so eager to make China 2025 project happening yet the area they were desperate to get the hand on is semi-conductor specialist.

I always wondered if the original PING of the aircraft is correct and flew over India towards Pakistan/Afghanistan. If that original PING was indeed correct and did not go to south Indian ocean, the aircraft could be in either Iran or China. After all there are 2 suspicious Iranian onboard. The possible Chinese airports they could land are QSZ (Shache), TWC (Tumxuk), KHG (Kashgar) or Yutian. Although I can not explain what if the plane landed in Iran how the logistics would work afterwards.

Again it is just my own conspiracy theory. Someone may agree and I would like to think majority would think it as far stretch.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:09 am

chonetsao wrote:
santi319 wrote:
Now more than ever I think that the Chinese Government was behind it.


Again it is just my own conspiracy theory. Someone may agree and I would like to think majority would think it as far stretch.


very far

i think the US know where it is
they dont tell
so it must be a allied of the US at fault

if the chinese or iranians are behind it the US would have uncovered it


a fire is much more probably
or a suicide
or a hijack
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:41 am

Pitot probe malfunction and a disoriented pilot who held a stall all the way to the scene of the crash.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:48 am

Now I’ve read some of the above posts, i now realise why the world is in the mess it is.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:50 am

asdf wrote:
i think the US know where it is

So that's just your opinion.
asdf wrote:
so it must be a allied of the US at fault

if the chinese or iranians are behind it the US would have uncovered it

And the next line it has become a fact. That goes fast...
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:06 am

ehusmann wrote:
asdf wrote:
i think the US know where it is

So that's just your opinion.
asdf wrote:
so it must be a allied of the US at fault

if the chinese or iranians are behind it the US would have uncovered it

And the next line it has become a fact. That goes fast...


come on ...
the US intelligent service knows if moby dick leaves a fart at antarctica

and u think they dont know?
in THAT region ...?

if someone really wants to see a biiiiiiiig conspiracy (and i am NOT in that camp, my bet is on a fire, or a suicide or a hijack)
the main question would be "...what can be so important, that the three big players USA, russia and china ..... all three of them are more than capacible to have detailed records what really happened that night, didnt publish theire knowenledge and blame someone ..."
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:31 am

P3guy wrote:
So let’s look at the facts...ATC, military radar tracking and common sense, let’s take out the speculation about motive, experienced pilot, trying to cover up a suicide mass murder. Double back fly to the most remote part of the world, kill your co-pilot/pilot do do a slow decompression of he plane slowly killing all passengers with the majority going to sleep, fly to the most remote part of the planet doing a controlled ditch with the outflow valve open so the plane sinks intact.
The only parts of the plane found are parts of the wing (slats, flaps etc) that may have broken off during the controlled ditch.

I haven’t heard of any other scenario that is as probable.

Just my opinion!

Paul


The flaperon that was recovered from MH370 was proved to have been deployed in the landing position. Why would a pilot on a suicide mission carry out a controlled ditching of his aircraft?
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:41 am

asdf wrote:
if someone really wants to see a biiiiiiiig conspiracy (and i am NOT in that camp, my bet is on a fire, or a suicide or a hijack)



You're simply overestimating the intelligence service's capabilities of the US or China or Russia. They don't have "detailed records" of what happened to every manmade moving object in the sky, and the thousands of commercial airliners are certainly not objects of interests for a frigate or a maritime patrol aircraft that might have been in the area.

The NSA can certainly somehow get access to the relevant satellite data on their own, but with that they don't know more than the multiple countries and investigating agencies all around the globe...
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:59 am

kulwinder wrote:
P3guy wrote:
So let’s look at the facts...ATC, military radar tracking and common sense, let’s take out the speculation about motive, experienced pilot, trying to cover up a suicide mass murder. Double back fly to the most remote part of the world, kill your co-pilot/pilot do do a slow decompression of he plane slowly killing all passengers with the majority going to sleep, fly to the most remote part of the planet doing a controlled ditch with the outflow valve open so the plane sinks intact.
The only parts of the plane found are parts of the wing (slats, flaps etc) that may have broken off during the controlled ditch.

I haven’t heard of any other scenario that is as probable.

Just my opinion!

Paul


The flaperon that was recovered from MH370 was proved to have been deployed in the landing position. Why would a pilot on a suicide mission carry out a controlled ditching of his aircraft?

Where did you get that from?
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:00 am

kulwinder wrote:
The flaperon that was recovered from MH370 was proved to have been deployed in the landing position. Why would a pilot on a suicide mission carry out a controlled ditching of his aircraft?

I believe that Zaharie wanted to pull off an Amelia Earhart-like mystery; a spectacular modern unsolved event that will be talked about for decades to come. So he did everything he could to make the plane disappear without a trace. I have no idea why he wanted to do this. It may have been political. It may have been personal. As soon as one of us commits suicide, we'll have have a much better understanding of Zaharie's mind. I also think that the event exposed so much incompetence within the Malaysia's airspace monitoring services, that they obfuscated and covered-up many of the facts.

Of course, that's just my personal theory. And let's be adults. We all understand what a theory is.

And finally, for those of us exposing our own individual theories, please explain how your theory addresses all of the known facts. A fire? How does that explained the precise course changes (and yes, the course changes are proven). In my opinion - and it's only an opinion - pilot suicide is the only theory that can explain all of the known events around MH370.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:04 am

hinckley wrote:
...
I believe that Zaharie wanted to pull off an Amelia Earhart-like mystery; a spectacular modern unsolved event that will be talked about for decades to come. So he did everything he could to make the plane disappear without a trace. I have no idea why he wanted to do this. ...


we neither

and lets be honest
the idea that he wanted to do this only came up because it is the only way a suicide would fit the facts
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:11 am

asdf wrote:
we neither

and lets be honest
the idea that he wanted to do this only came up because it is the only way a suicide would fit the facts

Said differently, the facts only support suicide.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:46 am

hinckley wrote:
asdf wrote:
we neither

and lets be honest
the idea that he wanted to do this only came up because it is the only way a suicide would fit the facts

Said differently, the facts only support suicide.


Said in another way, the information presented so far would only support suicide. Knowing where majority of the information is coming from, I would not call them facts just yet.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:57 am

This thread won't even last an hour, lol.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:19 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
This thread won't even last an hour, lol.


I give it another 20 minutes.

Maybe we should consider Mary Schiavo’s learned opinion that it flew into a black hole and landed on the Klingon home world and is now being refitted with a cloaking device to make a stealthy return to earth using Borg trans warp conduits.

I think that would fulfill Boeing’s goal of “Forever New Frontiers”.

That’s my theory!
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:28 pm

This article was posted by the BBC a few days ago:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-53119686

One-fifth of Earth's ocean floor is now mapped

The initiative that seeks to galvanise the creation of a full map of the ocean floor says one-fifth of this task has now been completed.

When the Nippon Foundation-GEBCO Seabed 2030 Project was launched in 2017, only 6% of the global ocean bottom had been surveyed to what might be called modern standards.

That number now stands at 19%, up from 15% in just the last year.

Some 14.5 million sq km of new bathymetric (depth) data was included in the GEBCO grid in 2019 - an area equivalent to almost twice that of Australia.

It does, however, still leave a great swathe of the planet in need of mapping to an acceptable degree.

"Today we stand at the 19% level. That means we've got another 81% of the oceans still to survey, still to map. That's an area about twice the size of Mars that we have to capture in the next decade," project director Jamie McMichael-Phillips told BBC News.


Further down the article it mentions autonomous robot vessels without a crew.

I'm not saying they are going to find the plane any time soon, but who knows, perhaps this decade these researchers may come across it.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:08 pm

How ironic. I'm halfway through reading this post and a show about MH370 comes on TV. Watching it now. It originally aired in August 2017, so it won't have any new information, of course.
Whatever
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:09 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
kulwinder wrote:
I still think the theory about a battery fire in the forward cargo hold which destroyed the avionics bay below the cockpit the most plausible.

All things considered it is the most likely explanation.


A fire magically and instantly destroyed the avionics bay, then extinguished itself, leaving the crew dead after making multiple course changes without any communications, then the plane flew for hours. That’s the most likely in your mind?

Not totally far fetched. Fire happens, they try to turn toward land, get disoriented in the smoke, pass out, plane crashes. Plus there was the MS 777 destroyed by similar circumstance in CAI.

Not saying it's what actually happened, but not totally out of the realm of possibility, especially since the actual aircraft hasn't been found.


Yes and the plane crashes near where the fire began, not seven hours away.
 
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What if in the next five years a strange 77E with callsign MALAYSIAN 370 suddenly asking for a diversion to SGN or contacting PEK's ATC for a good touch-down ?
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:41 pm

kulwinder wrote:
P3guy wrote:
So let’s look at the facts...ATC, military radar tracking and common sense, let’s take out the speculation about motive, experienced pilot, trying to cover up a suicide mass murder. Double back fly to the most remote part of the world, kill your co-pilot/pilot do do a slow decompression of he plane slowly killing all passengers with the majority going to sleep, fly to the most remote part of the planet doing a controlled ditch with the outflow valve open so the plane sinks intact.
The only parts of the plane found are parts of the wing (slats, flaps etc) that may have broken off during the controlled ditch.

I haven’t heard of any other scenario that is as probable.

Just my opinion!

Paul


The flaperon that was recovered from MH370 was proved to have been deployed in the landing position. Why would a pilot on a suicide mission carry out a controlled ditching of his aircraft?


There was no Actuator (neither the Inboard or Outboard one) attached to the Flaperon so it is literally impossible to have any idea what position it was in.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:46 pm

Follow the money. HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING; if the pilot had a life insurance policy which would be voided in the event of a suicide, then is it not plausible he would go through great lengths to give the appearance of anything but a suicide? DISCLAIMER: Of course, I have no evidence to support this THEORY and it is nothing but a THEORY, but I'm a Occam's razor sort of guy.

There, I said it, please feel free to pile on!
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:54 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:

A fire magically and instantly destroyed the avionics bay, then extinguished itself, leaving the crew dead after making multiple course changes without any communications, then the plane flew for hours. That’s the most likely in your mind?

Not totally far fetched. Fire happens, they try to turn toward land, get disoriented in the smoke, pass out, plane crashes. Plus there was the MS 777 destroyed by similar circumstance in CAI.

Not saying it's what actually happened, but not totally out of the realm of possibility, especially since the actual aircraft hasn't been found.


Yes and the plane crashes near where the fire began, not seven hours away.


Except that the plane did fly for hours. It didn't crash near where the fire began. I do not believe this was a case of a fire. Possible? Yes, but highly unlikely given the information that is available.

As some others have stated, the highest probability scenario by far, is pilot suicide.
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:56 pm

scntekir wrote:
Follow the money. HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING; if the pilot had a life insurance policy which would be voided in the event of a suicide, then is it not plausible he would go through great lengths to give the appearance of anything but a suicide? DISCLAIMER: Of course, I have no evidence to support this THEORY and it is nothing but a THEORY, but I'm a Occam's razor sort of guy.

There, I said it, please feel free to pile on!



I can't speak for policies in Asia, but in the USA, Life Insurance policies pay out even in the case of suicide if in force for at least 2 years.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:56 pm

Antaras wrote:
What if in the next five years a strange 77E with callsign MALAYSIAN 370 suddenly asking for a diversion to SGN or contacting PEK's ATC for a good touch-down ?


Then we would be... in The Twilight Zone!

(An episode of that classic series concerned a flight that got lost in clouds and descended to find they have travelled back in time to the age of the dinosaurs.)
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:07 pm

How has this thread not been locked yet lol. I'll pitch in my theory: It is somewhere in the Southern Indian Ocean, and we just haven't found it yet. And we may never find it. Whether it's pilot suicide or some other kind of failure we just won't know.
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:27 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
kulwinder wrote:
I still think the theory about a battery fire in the forward cargo hold which destroyed the avionics bay below the cockpit the most plausible.

All things considered it is the most likely explanation.


A fire magically and instantly destroyed the avionics bay, then extinguished itself, leaving the crew dead after making multiple course changes without any communications, then the plane flew for hours. That’s the most likely in your mind?

Not totally far fetched. Fire happens, they try to turn toward land, get disoriented in the smoke, pass out, plane crashes. Plus there was the MS 777 destroyed by similar circumstance in CAI.

Not saying it's what actually happened, but not totally out of the realm of possibility, especially since the actual aircraft hasn't been found.

I'd think this is as likely a scenario as to what happened as any other theory.
 
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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:33 pm

Carlos01 wrote:
hinckley wrote:
asdf wrote:
we neither

and lets be honest the idea that he wanted to do this only came up because it is the only way a suicide would fit the facts

Said differently, the facts only support suicide.


Said in another way, the information presented so far would only support suicide. Knowing where majority of the information is coming from, I would not call them facts just yet.

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Re: Revisiting MH370

Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:33 pm

This thread will be closed soon, so I’ll just speculate a bit. I’ve always wondered about the theory of a remote hijacking using the aircraft’s computers. There’s no evidence of that of course, but parts of it make sense. The precise course changes, potentially incapacitated crew, etc. Just a thought.
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