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Pottok
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DC 10 configurations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:16 pm

Hello,



What was the NZ DC 10-30 configuration when Y class was 8 abreast ?

What the SR DC 10-30 configuration when Y class was 8 Abreast ?

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Re: DC 10 configurations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:32 pm

How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:51 pm

Use the photo search feature for cabin shots!
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:09 pm

Pottok wrote:
What the SR DC 10-30 configuration when Y class was 8 Abreast ?


F22 Y207 in 1983.

Mid cabin Rows 8 to 12, 14 to 19, AB CD_FG HJ;

aft cabin

21 to 32 AB CD_FG HJ,
33 to 35 AB CDFG HJ,
36 AB CDF HJ.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:07 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.


Wrong. Swissair resisted going to a three-class service and opted to maintain a more comfortable Economy section long after other airlines introduced Business Class.

Swissair’s DC-10s retained 8-abreast in Economy (2-4-2) until they were retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. The 747s retained 9-abreast in Economy until retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. Only the -357s went to 10-abreast. The -257s had left the fleet just prior to the introduction of Business Class and the move to 10-abreast in Economy.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:18 pm

millionsofmiles wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.


Wrong. Swissair resisted going to a three-class service and opted to maintain a more comfortable Economy section long after other airlines introduced Business Class.

Swissair’s DC-10s retained 8-abreast in Economy (2-4-2) until they were retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. The 747s retained 9-abreast in Economy until retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. Only the -357s went to 10-abreast. The -257s had left the fleet just prior to the introduction of Business Class and the move to 10-abreast in Economy.


I wrote 'I've never seen.' I didn't say 8x never existed. I was not flying Swissair DC-10s in the 80s.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:20 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.


In McDD diagrams from the early -70’s I’ve only seen the 2-4-2 config.

Not sure when the change to 2-5-2 happened but by the -80’s all I saw was 2-5-2 on DC-10’s in US, with one exception. World Airways DC-10’s were 3-4-3!

In the late -90’s I saw a 3-4-2 configuration on a Swissair MD-11 (same cabin width as DC-10).
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:44 pm

I was on a AOM French Airlines DC10 30 with 10 abreast with a seat pitch that was cruel. I've yet to be as miserable as I was on the round trip LAX -> PPT -> LAX.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:56 pm

seat38a wrote:
I was on a AOM French Airlines DC10 30 with 10 abreast with a seat pitch that was cruel. I've yet to be as miserable as I was on the round trip LAX -> PPT -> LAX.


I also flew 10-across on the D10 with Belgian outfit SkyJet, However the pitch was not that terrible, so it didn't feel any worse than the L10 in 10-abreast, and certainly better than the 767 @ 8-abreast. Still preferable to a NB on long-haul. the high ceilings, big windows and airy cabin does make a difference to me.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:58 pm

millionsofmiles wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.


Wrong. Swissair resisted going to a three-class service and opted to maintain a more comfortable Economy section long after other airlines introduced Business Class.

Swissair’s DC-10s retained 8-abreast in Economy (2-4-2) until they were retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. The 747s retained 9-abreast in Economy until retrofitted with Business Class in 1984. Only the -357s went to 10-abreast. The -257s had left the fleet just prior to the introduction of Business Class and the move to 10-abreast in Economy.


Swissair cabins were positively S P A C I O U S up till the very end, with plush, thick, comfortable armchairs, and F class offered even on short haul. I remember even their Fokker 100 offered three classes of service. Fantastic stuff.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:05 pm

Here's a fairly decent selection of old seating charts:

http://departedflights.com/seatingguide1.html
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:30 pm

I also flew on a Sun Country DC-10 that was brutal I believe it was 3-4-3. I remember how odd it was to see that configuration on a DC-10 because on my many previous DC-10 flights I never seen that tight a seating.
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:40 pm

klm617 wrote:
I also flew on a Sun Country DC-10 that was brutal I believe it was 3-4-3. I remember how odd it was to see that configuration on a DC-10 because on my many previous DC-10 flights I never seen that tight a seating.


That was the configuration usually used by charter airlines, up to 380 seats in Y. Some scheduled airlines also used the 3-4-3 in Y, i.e. Garuda.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:46 pm

Many European charter airlines configured DC10's with upto 380 seats 3-4-3. Even Laker skytrain queezed in 345 passengers on their scheduled service across the pond.
I believe Finnair also had 3-4-3 on their MD11.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:52 pm

Icelandair for the short time they flew a DC-10 they also had 3-4-3 seating.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:30 pm

n9801f wrote:
World Airways DC-10’s were 3-4-3!

So were Omni's...if it wasn't for the fact I was returning home on one from a 6 month deployment to the Middle East, I would have been purely miserable for that 18 hours.
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:08 pm

Are we sure NZ DC-10's were ever 8 across?
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:29 pm

What is the cabin width of DC-10 vs 777?
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:42 pm

did i read also that DC10 had underfloor galley like the L1011 Tristar?
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:47 pm

eta unknown wrote:
Are we sure NZ DC-10's were ever 8 across?
I am pretty certain at least the initial ones were delivered as 2-4-2... how long that lasted is another matter. They definitely finished as 2-5-2
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:15 am

tonyflyboi wrote:
did i read also that DC10 had underfloor galley like the L1011 Tristar?


Yes. My aunt was a UA F/A in the late 90s and she definitely worked down there.
 
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:17 pm

tonyflyboi wrote:
did i read also that DC10 had underfloor galley like the L1011 Tristar?


Most of the DC-10-10s had it, except those delivered to CO, along with many DC-10-30s/-30CFs, i.e. Laker, National, Balair, ONA, TIA, WO, MP, Air Siam
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:24 am

n9801f wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982.


In McDD diagrams from the early -70’s I’ve only seen the 2-4-2 config.

Not sure when the change to 2-5-2 happened but by the -80’s all I saw was 2-5-2 on DC-10’s in US, with one exception. World Airways DC-10’s were 3-4-3!

In the late -90’s I saw a 3-4-2 configuration on a Swissair MD-11 (same cabin width as DC-10).


It started with AA in 1978 with deregulation. It was matched almost immediately on all US airlines that flew the DC10 and L10. Here is a pic from 1976 of AA DC10 with 2x4x2

https://www.airliners.net/photo/America ... 0-10/14494
 
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Re: DC 10 configurations

Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:25 am

Ziyulu wrote:
What is the cabin width of DC-10 vs 777?



Comparable. 5.87m/19'3" for the 777 & 5.69m/18'8" for the DC10/MD11. The L1011 is also very similar at 5.77m/18'11".
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