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glideslope
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:29 am

klm617 wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
This goes to the very culturally "sensitive" topics like, why do "Western" crews simply crash less often? They are from a culture that does not tolerate fake credentials, but it does allows collaborative thinking. Yes, nobody is perfect.

The 737 Max certification story shows we have problems too.


I don't think the 737 Max is the real problem here. What we are talking about here is one of the symptoms of what this thread is about. Anyone can fly a plane when things go right real airman know how to fly out of danger (When it's possible). We've seen to many times where pilots panic under pressure cause very avoidable accidents. To many crew today rely on the computer systems to fly the plane rather than knowing how to fly out of danger.


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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:56 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
CobaltScar wrote:
klm617 wrote:

This is exactly why I will never fly one of these airlines based in these suspect countries where corruption is the law of the land.


And in this day and age the mob will accuse you for it. So beware.

this could be solved by having flight examiners from outside of the country fly with the suspect pilots to SEE if they know what they're doing! Or letting them sit in on their recurrent training in the simulator to see whether they have their "chops" up to speed. In one simulator session they would know whether the crew is up to snuff.


Better solution is to ban pilots and aircraft that are regulated by Pakistan until such time as the big western regulatory agencies are satisfied they've cleaned up their act. Its not our business if they want to continue having fake pilots fly domestically or sacrifice goats on the tarmac to ensure flight safety, they can answer to the people of Pakistan for that.

Its not our job to make sure their pilots and airlines are safe, thats their job.
 
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:09 pm

CobaltScar wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
CobaltScar wrote:

And in this day and age the mob will accuse you for it. So beware.

this could be solved by having flight examiners from outside of the country fly with the suspect pilots to SEE if they know what they're doing! Or letting them sit in on their recurrent training in the simulator to see whether they have their "chops" up to speed. In one simulator session they would know whether the crew is up to snuff.


Better solution is to ban pilots and aircraft that are regulated by Pakistan until such time as the big western regulatory agencies are satisfied they've cleaned up their act. Its not our business if they want to continue having fake pilots fly domestically or sacrifice goats on the tarmac to ensure flight safety, they can answer to the people of Pakistan for that.

Its not our job to make sure their pilots and airlines are safe, thats their job.


Yes but the problem is bigger than just PIA. I'm sure PIA is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to uncertified and underqualified pilots getting in the cockpits of airliners. There are many countries in the world where a handsome pay-off can get you what you want.
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:17 pm

intrance wrote:
klm617 wrote:
This is exactly why I will never fly one of these airlines based in these suspect countries where corruption is the law of the land.


Just never think that your country or your favorite airline is above these things... For example, the airline from your nickname has a person in "hiring/acceptance committee" that also runs a business charging pilots for a preparation course for the hiring process of said airline. If two pilots go into the hiring process, and one has followed this "prep course" at that persons business, and the other one has not, every single time the one who has indirectly put a couple of hundred euros into the pocket of the person on the hiring committee got hired. I've known a fair amount of them and some of the ones that got through, at the expense of much better candidates, I would not even trust flying a kite...

Nasty stuff like this happens everywhere, but in varying degrees of shall we say... Overtness?



So if you know this why is it not reported to the relevant authorities . Corruption needs to be brought to light where ever it might be because it effects all of us.
the truth does matter, guys. too bad it's often quite subjective. the truth is beyond the mere facts and figures. it's beyond good and bad, right and wrong...
 
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:02 pm

This topic of falsified licences comes up, regrettably, too frequently. Each time, I wonder, what is the position regarding insurance? Consider if a PK flight crashed at JFK, and it was discovered that one {or possibly both} pilot was not properly qualified. Legal claims would be a smidge higher than an insurance company would like to pay.

Anybody in that side of the business have any thoughts?
 
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:10 pm

VolvoBus wrote:
This topic of falsified licences comes up, regrettably, too frequently. Each time, I wonder, what is the position regarding insurance? Consider if a PK flight crashed at JFK, and it was discovered that one {or possibly both} pilot was not properly qualified. Legal claims would be a smidge higher than an insurance company would like to pay.

Anybody in that side of the business have any thoughts?

Just about every aviation insurance policy is going to require the aircraft be maintained to a safe legal standard and all members of the crew are properly licensed and certified, I would suspect the insurance company would dismiss the claim as the airline was in breach of said policies.
 
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:24 am

Do the doctors have fake licenses as well?

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pakista ... 1.72226964[/quote]
Short answer-yes . Do google search and you will be shocked
 
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:50 pm

EASA now suspends PK for 6 months from operating in European Airspace..

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/easa-su ... ring-bloc/
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:13 pm

CrimsonNL wrote:
EASA now suspends PK for 6 months from operating in European Airspace..

https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/easa-su ... ring-bloc/


That was about time. In effect from July 1st.
 
Monty1988
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Re: Fake pilot licenses in Pakistan?

Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:30 pm

KAC doesn't have a single Pakistani Pilot news is fake and was denied by KAC, You can check the official press release on Twitter & Instagram, Also KAC is taking legal action against who started this rumor.

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