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More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:42 am

9V-SKP & 9V-SKQ were heading towards Australia today morning, presumabaly for long term storage in Alice Springs?

Which brings up an intresteing question on Qantas's storage practices; all widebodies from Qantas (380s and a few 330s) go to Victorville. Do any Qantas insiders know why they head abroad instead of Alice Springs where they could be maintained by Qantas engineers?
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:49 am

VHOZ wrote:
9V-SKP & 9V-SKQ were heading towards Australia today morning, presumabaly for long term storage in Alice Springs?

Which brings up an intresteing question on Qantas's storage practices; all widebodies from Qantas (380s and a few 330s) go to Victorville. Do any Qantas insiders know why they head abroad instead of Alice Springs where they could be maintained by Qantas engineers?


A few more SQ A380s will go to ASP, while some will exit and fly to US (destination within US unknown, my bet is VCV or GYR).

https://twitter.com/SpaethFlies/status/ ... 1628132352

I have not heard that A330s will go to VCV, however I was told the A380s were going to go to MHV. I do not believe it is an issue of maintenance, I believe it is an issue of space. I have heard that ASP is pretty much near/at capacity.
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:02 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
VHOZ wrote:
9V-SKP & 9V-SKQ were heading towards Australia today morning, presumabaly for long term storage in Alice Springs?

Which brings up an intresteing question on Qantas's storage practices; all widebodies from Qantas (380s and a few 330s) go to Victorville. Do any Qantas insiders know why they head abroad instead of Alice Springs where they could be maintained by Qantas engineers?


A few more SQ A380s will go to ASP, while some will exit and fly to US (destination within US unknown, my bet is VCV or GYR).

https://twitter.com/SpaethFlies/status/ ... 1628132352

I have not heard that A330s will go to VCV, however I was told the A380s were going to go to MHV. I do not believe it is an issue of maintenance, I believe it is an issue of space. I have heard that ASP is pretty much near/at capacity.


Back in March ASP said they could only take around 30 aircraft but approval for expanding to 70-80 aircraft.

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -airports/
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:21 am

VHOZ wrote:
Which brings up an intresteing question on Qantas's storage practices; all widebodies from Qantas (380s and a few 330s) go to Victorville. Do any Qantas insiders know why they head abroad instead of Alice Springs where they could be maintained by Qantas engineers?



Could be an theory that aircraft going to ASP are more likely to return to service in the near then, were as the ones head of to the US are unlikely to return.

NZ is sending it’s 77Ws to ASP, yet the older 77E’s are heading to the US.
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:25 am

zkncj wrote:
VHOZ wrote:
Which brings up an intresteing question on Qantas's storage practices; all widebodies from Qantas (380s and a few 330s) go to Victorville. Do any Qantas insiders know why they head abroad instead of Alice Springs where they could be maintained by Qantas engineers?



Could be an theory that aircraft going to ASP are more likely to return to service in the near then, were as the ones head of to the US are unlikely to return.

NZ is sending it’s 77Ws to ASP, yet the older 77E’s are heading to the US.


Huh, I haven't heard any fleet plans for the 77Ws but on June 10th I heard that they would be sending the 772s to ASP, guess plans have changed...? But it would make logical sense to send the aircraft that won't be returning for a long time off to the US/remote locations while keeping the short term storage aircraft locally.
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:08 am

VHOZ wrote:
9V-SKP & 9V-SKQ were heading towards Australia today morning, presumabaly for long term storage in Alice Springs?

Which brings up an intresteing question on Qantas's storage practices; all widebodies from Qantas (380s and a few 330s) go to Victorville. Do any Qantas insiders know why they head abroad instead of Alice Springs where they could be maintained by Qantas engineers?

Doesn’t QANTAS have a maintenance base in Los Angeles?
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:13 am

32andBelow wrote:
VHOZ wrote:
9V-SKP & 9V-SKQ were heading towards Australia today morning, presumabaly for long term storage in Alice Springs?

Which brings up an intresteing question on Qantas's storage practices; all widebodies from Qantas (380s and a few 330s) go to Victorville. Do any Qantas insiders know why they head abroad instead of Alice Springs where they could be maintained by Qantas engineers?

Doesn’t QANTAS have a maintenance base in Los Angeles?


Doesn’t QF LAX maintenance hanger be torn down for midfield convourse?
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:38 am

chunhimlai wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
VHOZ wrote:
9V-SKP & 9V-SKQ were heading towards Australia today morning, presumabaly for long term storage in Alice Springs?

Which brings up an intresteing question on Qantas's storage practices; all widebodies from Qantas (380s and a few 330s) go to Victorville. Do any Qantas insiders know why they head abroad instead of Alice Springs where they could be maintained by Qantas engineers?

Doesn’t QANTAS have a maintenance base in Los Angeles?


Doesn’t QF LAX maintenance hanger be torn down for midfield convourse?


Didn't they only build the current hangers for the A380? Seems unlikely they would be torn down?
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:48 am

chunhimlai wrote:
Doesn’t QF LAX maintenance hanger be torn down for midfield convourse?


That was the old one. The new one is on the far west end of the field.
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:09 pm

So long term storage in the USA is cheaper? The increasing amount of a/c in Asia and the vast spaces available, is a large a/c boneyard a business option for Australia?
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:53 pm

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So long term storage in the USA is cheaper? The increasing amount of a/c in Asia and the vast spaces available, is a large a/c boneyard a business option for Australia?


I am not sure why we are talking about boneyards. The tweet mentioned in this thread clearly states that all SQ A380s are scheduled to go back into service. The fact is that storage in South East Asia is very bad for aircraft due to the climate. We had more than 500mm rain over the last 2 weeks here in SIN and that is not a good place for long term storage. High humidity + high temperature = corrosion.
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:21 pm

par13del wrote:
So long term storage in the USA is cheaper? The increasing amount of a/c in Asia and the vast spaces available, is a large a/c boneyard a business option for Australia?


I'm guessing it's not just the presence of deserts in the U.S. Southwest, but the size of the population in (and very near) the Sonoran and Mojave deserts and the size of the aircraft experience cohort. (Lockheed has been in Palmdale nearly 70 years. Honeywell Aerospace in Phoenix. Douglas in Long Beach. Hughes/Raytheon...) There are more people living in Southern California and Arizona than in all of Australia.
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:47 pm

I was told when I visited Pima Museum in Tucson that it wasn't just the climate which made it an ideal storage place. Apparently the soil is so firm and even stays firm after being rained upon. One can see very large heavy aircraft sitting on unprepared soil, no tarmac of concrete required. Perhaps someone can confirm if this is correct?
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:26 pm

cv990Coronado wrote:
I was told when I visited Pima Museum in Tucson that it wasn't just the climate which made it an ideal storage place. Apparently the soil is so firm and even stays firm after being rained upon. One can see very large heavy aircraft sitting on unprepared soil, no tarmac of concrete required. Perhaps someone can confirm if this is correct?


That wouldnt be an issue for ASP as it doesnt get much rain. The storage facility is only a few years old, up to the start of COVID-19 they could only accommodate around 30 aircraft. A couple of months ago they came out and said they would expand till around 70 aircraft. There isnt a lot of space available there atm.

Where Qantas is concerned it makes sense to use MHV or VCV as its close to LAX where they have a dedicated maintenance base for the A388 fleet. If ASP were to be used they would need to send engineers from SYD so from a cost perspective its cheaper to keep them in the US. Of the 12 A388's only 6 are in Australia with 3 at LAX, 2 at DRS and 1 at AUH. Also if you followed what Qantas has been saying for the past couple of months is that all 12 could return to service or could be 6 or the worst case scenario none of them return to service. Its in their best interest if they are going to store them in the desert to keep them all at the same place, unfortunately ASP doesnt fit into that.
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:02 pm

Per Planespotters.net, as of today, SQ has parked their entire A380 fleet (19 aircraft). Of this fleet, 7 of their A380's are configured in SQ's latest 471-passenger interior. Among the rest, 6 of the oldest (all 10+ yrs.) have a 441-passenger interior and the other 6 have 379-passenger interiors. Pre-pandemic, the plan was to standardize these 12 to the latest 471-seat interior as they cycled in for HVM. Given the high cost of changing interiors in the A380, I wonder if all 12 of these aircraft will get converted going forward?

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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:47 pm

No, the A380 like the 747 are history for the near future. Hopefully, in 3-5 years, we will see large jumbos returning. Of course Covid could just be the beginning of world wide viruses in which case global air traffic is finished. If you can’t get people to do something as simple as wearing a mask, we are all fucked.
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:57 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
Per Planespotters.net, as of today, SQ has parked their entire A380 fleet (19 aircraft). Of this fleet, 7 of their A380's are configured in SQ's latest 471-passenger interior. Among the rest, 6 of the oldest (all 10+ yrs.) have a 441-passenger interior and the other 6 have 379-passenger interiors. Pre-pandemic, the plan was to standardize these 12 to the latest 471-seat interior as they cycled in for HVM. Given the high cost of changing interiors in the A380, I wonder if all 12 of these aircraft will get converted going forward?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/S ... e-Airlines


They haven’t flown in a few months now.
The latest plan says they plan to return all 19 and if they did you would imagine they will convert all of them, however when demand returns is the question really imo and what the plan will bee at that time. Are they converting any right now given none are flying?
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:16 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Per Planespotters.net, as of today, SQ has parked their entire A380 fleet (19 aircraft). Of this fleet, 7 of their A380's are configured in SQ's latest 471-passenger interior. Among the rest, 6 of the oldest (all 10+ yrs.) have a 441-passenger interior and the other 6 have 379-passenger interiors. Pre-pandemic, the plan was to standardize these 12 to the latest 471-seat interior as they cycled in for HVM. Given the high cost of changing interiors in the A380, I wonder if all 12 of these aircraft will get converted going forward?

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[color=#8000BF]They haven’t flown in a few months now.
The latest plan says they plan to return all 19 and if they did you would imagine they will convert all of them, however when demand returns is the question really imo and what the plan will bee at that time. Are they converting any right now given none are flying?[/

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The refit of A380 interiors has been estimated to cost of between $38M to $45M per aircraft (depending on options). Let's settle at the lower end of this range, say $40M per plane, and this amounts to a capital expenditure for SQ of $480M. Considering that SQ, like every airline, is burning through major piles of cash due to the pandemic, coming up with nearly $500M to fund the remaining A380 refits seems sporty.
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:17 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Per Planespotters.net, as of today, SQ has parked their entire A380 fleet (19 aircraft). Of this fleet, 7 of their A380's are configured in SQ's latest 471-passenger interior. Among the rest, 6 of the oldest (all 10+ yrs.) have a 441-passenger interior and the other 6 have 379-passenger interiors. Pre-pandemic, the plan was to standardize these 12 to the latest 471-seat interior as they cycled in for HVM. Given the high cost of changing interiors in the A380, I wonder if all 12 of these aircraft will get converted going forward?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/S ... e-Airlines


[color=#8000BF]They haven’t flown in a few months now.
The latest plan says they plan to return all 19 and if they did you would imagine they will convert all of them, however when demand returns is the question really imo and what the plan will bee at that time. Are they converting any right now given none are flying?[/

[/color]
The refit of A380 interiors has been estimated to cost of between $38M to $45M per aircraft (depending on options). Let's settle at the lower end of this range, say $40M per plane, and this amounts to a capital expenditure for SQ of $480M. Considering that SQ, like every airline, is burning through major piles of cash due to the pandemic, coming up with nearly $500M to fund the remaining A380 refits seems sporty.


Im not sure how an airline allocates $ although anything allocated to the A380 refits has probably been reallocated elsewhere now. I’m not sure if there are any in refits as we speak, one could expect that some of the A380s don’t return to service, it really depends on demand, the older ones are more than 10 years old and could probably do with a refresh, though the 379 seat ones which are newer 2010-2012 builds are being refitted first. One would imagine the refitted ones will come back first and they will see how forward booking are looking before committing to any further refits.
 
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Re: More SQ 380s to Storage

Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:23 am

AngMoh wrote:
par13del wrote:
So long term storage in the USA is cheaper? The increasing amount of a/c in Asia and the vast spaces available, is a large a/c boneyard a business option for Australia?


I am not sure why we are talking about boneyards.

...because most boneyards are located in low humidity desert climates and they all double as storage locations.
Australia does have some pretty remote low humidity regions....storage in Asia should be cheaper and is much closer...if a location exist...hence my thought of a business opportunity.

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