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Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:52 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
USAavdork wrote:
wedgetail737: SAN-STS was announced back in 2012 and started that year. It’s been flying ever since and Alaska has done very well. It was slated to go 2x Pre-COVID as was SAN-BOS. Hopefully we’ll see STS 2x daily soon!


LOL! I quoted the wrong route. I meant to quote the SBA-STS route. Thank you for pointing that out.


It's just a continuation of the tag route that starts in July that continues onto PDX. There might be a small market, but I doubt it'll stick around once STS and SBA can sustain the non-stop to PDX on their own.
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:13 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
USAavdork wrote:
wedgetail737: SAN-STS was announced back in 2012 and started that year. It’s been flying ever since and Alaska has done very well. It was slated to go 2x Pre-COVID as was SAN-BOS. Hopefully we’ll see STS 2x daily soon!


LOL! I quoted the wrong route. I meant to quote the SBA-STS route. Thank you for pointing that out.


It's just a continuation of the tag route that starts in July that continues onto PDX. There might be a small market, but I doubt it'll stick around once STS and SBA can sustain the non-stop to PDX on their own.


It’ll be interesting to see the data on how some of these AS tags actually sold & other airlines for that matter.
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:16 pm

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Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:55 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Thanks as always

enilria wrote:
AA DFW-EYW OCT 1.0>1.8[1.0] NOV 1.0>2[1.0] DEC 1.0>2[1.4]


Quite nice to see this one grow over the past years. Originally a Saturday-only E175, then daily E175, then daily A319 and 2x daily mix of 1x E175 and 1x A319 in the winter, and now a 2x daily A319 in the winter.


Agreed. And impressive to know that the 319 is so capable as well. I know DL flew it from ATL here and there, but DFW-EYW is almost twice as long and the runway is still short.
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:59 pm

chonetsao wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:

What “retaliation”? Theres a virus to deal with. Countries are dealing with it. Spare us the arm waving.


Before you start being a jerk and attacking a poster, perhaps check out the facts. The US retaliated against China for frequencies and is now targeting India (both for actions in response to the virus). It’s pretty common for retaliatory moves - so if the EU prohibits Americans, expect the US to prohibit Europeans.


Maybe retaliation is the wrong word. Reciprocal or equal measures are better to explain the moves.

Call it whatever you want, who cares. Demand from Europe to the US is going to be minuscule as long as the virus numbers in the US are as bad as they are.
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:06 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
CantbeGrounded wrote:

I would expect a retaliatory ban on EU by our administration, if we are indeed unable to travel to the EU :(


What “retaliation”? Theres a virus to deal with. Countries are dealing with it. Spare us the arm waving.


Before you start being a jerk and attacking a poster, perhaps check out the facts. The US retaliated against China for frequencies and is now targeting India (both for actions in response to the virus). It’s pretty common for retaliatory moves - so if the EU prohibits Americans, expect the US to prohibit Europeans.


Here’s the crazy thing that all the sensationalism about the maybe EU travel ban is forgetting: the U.S. has prohibited EU tourists since mid-March and that ban is still in effect.
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:23 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:

What “retaliation”? Theres a virus to deal with. Countries are dealing with it. Spare us the arm waving.


Before you start being a jerk and attacking a poster, perhaps check out the facts. The US retaliated against China for frequencies and is now targeting India (both for actions in response to the virus). It’s pretty common for retaliatory moves - so if the EU prohibits Americans, expect the US to prohibit Europeans.


Here’s the crazy thing that all the sensationalism about the maybe EU travel ban is forgetting: the U.S. has prohibited EU tourists since mid-March and that ban is still in effect.


I don’t think many Europeans are clamouring to visit the USA these days as it is.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:53 am

Dominion301 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

Before you start being a jerk and attacking a poster, perhaps check out the facts. The US retaliated against China for frequencies and is now targeting India (both for actions in response to the virus). It’s pretty common for retaliatory moves - so if the EU prohibits Americans, expect the US to prohibit Europeans.


Here’s the crazy thing that all the sensationalism about the maybe EU travel ban is forgetting: the U.S. has prohibited EU tourists since mid-March and that ban is still in effect.


I don’t think many Europeans are clamouring to visit the USA these days as it is.


Correct. And Americans aren’t really keen on visiting Europe, so feeling is mutual.
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:06 am

MAH4546 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

Here’s the crazy thing that all the sensationalism about the maybe EU travel ban is forgetting: the U.S. has prohibited EU tourists since mid-March and that ban is still in effect.


I don’t think many Europeans are clamouring to visit the USA these days as it is.


Correct. And Americans aren’t really keen on visiting Europe, so feeling is mutual.



And it is nothing personal guys.

People are staying closer to home. Makes sense given what is going on
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:44 am

Yep.....as someone who usually flies at least every other week, if not weekly. I haven't been on an airplane since early-March. Maybe August at this point for work. Personal travel maybe this fall? I have no idea.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:56 am

flyboy7974 wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:

LOL! I quoted the wrong route. I meant to quote the SBA-STS route. Thank you for pointing that out.


It's just a continuation of the tag route that starts in July that continues onto PDX. There might be a small market, but I doubt it'll stick around once STS and SBA can sustain the non-stop to PDX on their own.


It’ll be interesting to see the data on how some of these AS tags actually sold & other airlines for that matter.


AS is selling tickets on the route.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:30 am

RE: UA PQI-IAD
I think it's a smart move....at least near term. EWR is nowhere what it was for connectivity (for now). DL dismantled the regional NE network in the early/mid 90s and outsourced the flying to DLCx carriers. By 2000 they walked away altogether.

I think it's interesting that B6 never tried to rebuild an intra-New England network with the E-jets....opting to let CapeAir do.it with much smaller equipment. Anyone have a guess as to why the economics of New England/ upstate NY to BOS are so bad?
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:40 am

Italianflyer wrote:
RE: UA PQI-IAD
I think it's a smart move....at least near term. EWR is nowhere what it was for connectivity (for now). DL dismantled the regional NE network in the early/mid 90s and outsourced the flying to DLCx carriers. By 2000 they walked away altogether.

I think it's interesting that B6 never tried to rebuild an intra-New England network with the E-jets....opting to let CapeAir do.it with much smaller equipment. Anyone have a guess as to why the economics of New England/ upstate NY to BOS are so bad?

PQI has perfectly adequate service on KS to BOS. Then they got shiny jet syndrome and switched it to IAD.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:27 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

I don’t think many Europeans are clamouring to visit the USA these days as it is.


Correct. And Americans aren’t really keen on visiting Europe, so feeling is mutual.



And it is nothing personal guys.

People are staying closer to home. Makes sense given what is going on


Yup exactly, nothing personal. As much as I love my American family members, I'm not clamouring to visit them anytime soon...fortunately I saw them last summer before all the craziness of 2020 struck.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:37 pm

jmscsc wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

enilria wrote:
UA ORD-SBN SEP 9>10[5] OCT 9>10[5] APR 9>10[5]
UA ORD-SDF SEP 5>7[6]


Misfiles?


UA filed those a while ago for the ND football season. I'm surprised they're still loaded as ND has yet to make an announcement about the season and the COVID restrictions put in place by the University. As a professor at ND I'm curious to see how it's all going to play out.


I guess that must be it, even though ND only has two home games in September. And SDF could be for the Kentucky Derby on Labor Day weekend (even though they also haven't said yet how many spectators will be allowed in).
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 4:41 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Quite nice to see this one grow over the past years. Originally a Saturday-only E175, then daily E175, then daily A319 and 2x daily mix of 1x E175 and 1x A319 in the winter, and now a 2x daily A319 in the winter.


It's amazing how well all the new service AA added to EYW worked. DFW, ORD, and PHL were all added as weekend only seasonal service. It all quickly went daily. All 3 are operating today, in addition to MIA and CLT flights.
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:05 pm

In light of today's news I wonder if it was was for Delta to add back all the Florida capacity so quickly.
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:15 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

Here’s the crazy thing that all the sensationalism about the maybe EU travel ban is forgetting: the U.S. has prohibited EU tourists since mid-March and that ban is still in effect.


I don’t think many Europeans are clamouring to visit the USA these days as it is.


Correct. And Americans aren’t really keen on visiting Europe, so feeling is mutual.



This encompasses the AMERICAN issue right here, TIT for TAT

and your wrong, many people cannot wait for the EU to reopen. Im sure there is some demand pent up to come here but its likely 1/4 of what it is going the other way. Check your politics mate
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Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:29 am

Italianflyer wrote:
I think it's interesting that B6 never tried to rebuild an intra-New England network with the E-jets....opting to let CapeAir do.it with much smaller equipment. Anyone have a guess as to why the economics of New England/ upstate NY to BOS are so bad?


Most of the markets are relatively small and/or save little time over driving. Boston-Portland is a two-hour drive and a bit longer on the train. Boston-Burlington is three-and-a-half hours if you don't have a lead foot. Boston-Hartford is an hour-and-a-half. Throw in the relatively high fares needed to turn a profit and these markets aren't economically viable.

Keep in mind that the role of Boston as a regional air travel hub for New England partly stemmed from the fact that the small markets were often served with similarly small prop aircraft. Plus the carriers all interlined with each other so it didn't matter which commuter carrier was getting you to Boston. Speed limits are higher now and TSA makes flying a less attractive option compared to driving, so most folks will drive if the time needed to drive door-to-door is under four hours.

Obviously MVY/ACK are different because they're islands.

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