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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:20 am

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Something up with OEJ? Flight Radar showing an odd track? Was the flyover Taree planned? Seems to be doing some odd manoevers out over the water and rather low at 19000ft?

It's drawing a QF roo. Looks cool. You can see it on FR244
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:53 am

Really classy way to round out 747 service at Qantas!
 
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Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:07 pm

Such an emotional day farewelling ‘Wunala’ :(

Hopefully we don’t receive any environment-less complaints for OEJ well deserved send off.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:15 pm

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Such an emotional day farewelling ‘Wunala’ :(

Hopefully we don’t receive any environment-less complaints for OEJ well deserved send off.


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There was one on Twitter unfortunately but thankfully had a few comments from other people if you know what I mean :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:30 am

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Such an emotional day farewelling ‘Wunala’ :(

Hopefully we don’t receive any environment-less complaints for OEJ well deserved send off.


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As an American now living in Australia, Qantas is my adopted airline. I am not sure which one, but one of their B744s brought me to SYD in Sep 2104 for my new life here. And. 747 has shuttled me back and forth from the US A few times since then. It was a bit emotional for me to see that flight yesterday. I live near SYD and ran out back and stood on the patio furniture to see if I could get a glimpse as she over flew SYD and towards the ocean after departing. Then today, I found a video on YouTube that had the ATC recording, and man, that farewell from ATC...wow.

I am so glad on my last flight on one last September from SFO to SYD that I got bumped up to Business. That last flight will always be special to me.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:24 am

Here is a video of the final Sydney Harbour flyby with ATC radio

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=v4R72DcUBLs
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:27 am

VH-OEJ at MHV after arriving from LAX

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:40 am

Some photos of OEJ departing LAX for her last flight

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:56 am

Virgin and Tourism WA have joined forces to offer cheaper flight to BME and KNX, $199 and $229 one way respectively from 3 August through to 21 October. Flights to BME will increase to daily (up from 3 weekly) and KNX will increase from 2 to 3 weekly

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:07 am

OQD has just departed AUH now positioning to LAX for a tech check than into deep storage

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA6004/2507d875

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 99393?s=20
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:52 am

Done know if OQD also got a refurb? Or just the big check?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:53 pm

That should have been "Do we know"
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:32 pm

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Done know if OQD also got a refurb? Or just the big check?


I believe the refurbs were being done in DRS, AUH was for maintenance only.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:48 am

LTEN11 wrote:
moa999 wrote:
Done know if OQD also got a refurb? Or just the big check?


I believe the refurbs were being done in DRS, AUH was for maintenance only.


They’re doing them in AUH and DRS to speed up the process (plan pre covid, things have changed now) so yes she got a full reconfig.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:08 am

VHZNE wrote:
LTEN11 wrote:
moa999 wrote:
Done know if OQD also got a refurb? Or just the big check?


I believe the refurbs were being done in DRS, AUH was for maintenance only.


They’re doing them in AUH and DRS to speed up the process (plan pre covid, things have changed now) so yes she got a full reconfig.


I can confirm that VH-OQD did in fact got a full refurb, I was told by an ops guy who was at LAX today. She also received a fresh coat of paint, looked pretty crisp on final to 24R today...(yes I was there lol).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:12 am

Qantas A380 VH-OQD will ferry LAX-VCV (QF6007) on Monday, July 27
Qantas A380 VH-OQC will ferry LAX-VCV (QF6007) on Tuesday, July 28

That's what I've heard, although that can change.

That leaves 3 Qantas A380s that are not at VCV: VH-OQB, VH-OQG, and VH-OQI.
VH-OQB: Will remain at LAX for a while, will likely be the last Qantas A380 to go into storage.
VH-OQG & VH-OQI: Will ferry DRS-California (I don't know if it will be direct to VCV or with a stop-over at LAX, likely the latter) very soon.....
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:22 am

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OQD has just departed AUH now positioning to LAX for a tech check than into deep storage

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA6004/2507d875

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 99393?s=20


Thats quite an unusual part of the world for a QF flight to go for sure.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:55 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
Qantas A380 VH-OQD will ferry LAX-VCV (QF6007) on Monday, July 27
Qantas A380 VH-OQC will ferry LAX-VCV (QF6007) on Tuesday, July 28

That's what I've heard, although that can change.

That leaves 3 Qantas A380s that are not at VCV: VH-OQB, VH-OQG, and VH-OQI.
VH-OQB: Will remain at LAX for a while, will likely be the last Qantas A380 to go into storage.
VH-OQG & VH-OQI: Will ferry DRS-California (I don't know if it will be direct to VCV or with a stop-over at LAX, likely the latter) very soon.....

One thing that we're sure - they're in your hands for now so take good care of them! :D

Thanks for all these updates - sad but just have to bear with them for now

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:05 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
Qantas A380 VH-OQD will ferry LAX-VCV (QF6007) on Monday, July 27
Qantas A380 VH-OQC will ferry LAX-VCV (QF6007) on Tuesday, July 28

That's what I've heard, although that can change.

That leaves 3 Qantas A380s that are not at VCV: VH-OQB, VH-OQG, and VH-OQI.
VH-OQB: Will remain at LAX for a while, will likely be the last Qantas A380 to go into storage.
VH-OQG & VH-OQI: Will ferry DRS-California (I don't know if it will be direct to VCV or with a stop-over at LAX, likely the latter) very soon.....


VH-OQC will also leave from SYD on Monday 27th July as Q6003.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:27 pm

VCVSpotter wrote:
I can confirm that VH-OQD did in fact got a full refurb, I was told by an ops guy who was at LAX today. She also received a fresh coat of paint, looked pretty crisp on final to 24R today..


So assuming the two in DRS were refurbed (as was expected.

That makes 6 refurbs - OQD, OQG, OQH, OQI, OQJ, OQK
(Missing the youngest OQL).

And 3 left in 2007 New Too - OQE, OQH, OQI (unless it also went to the paint shop in DRS). Rest in SilverRoo
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:13 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
Qantas A380 VH-OQD will ferry LAX-VCV (QF6007) on Monday, July 27
Qantas A380 VH-OQC will ferry LAX-VCV (QF6007) on Tuesday, July 28

That's what I've heard, although that can change.

That leaves 3 Qantas A380s that are not at VCV: VH-OQB, VH-OQG, and VH-OQI.
VH-OQB: Will remain at LAX for a while, will likely be the last Qantas A380 to go into storage.
VH-OQG & VH-OQI: Will ferry DRS-California (I don't know if it will be direct to VCV or with a stop-over at LAX, likely the latter) very soon.....

One thing that we're sure - they're in your hands for now so take good care of them! :D

Thanks for all these updates - sad but just have to bear with them for now

Michael


Don’t worry, they’ll be visited often during their stay here....especially as the 777X program ramps up and they visit for testing.

Really sad to see VH-OEJ’s last flight on Friday, then possibly the penultimate flight for VH-OQD (the very first A380 I ever saw - 11 years ago) the very next day at LAX, but that’s just the situation we’re in now.....
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:51 am

Haven't read anything recently about the NJS 717s that are going to mainline. Anyone know how that is progressing?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:42 am

Not sure if this has already been answered somewhere, but why is Qantas storing planes like A380 which will be used again at VCV and not in Alice Springs? Wouldn't logistics of sending pilots and mechanics to Alice Springs be easier, or the storage in VCV is so much cheaper and planes will be there for a long time.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:53 am

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Not sure if this has already been answered somewhere, but why is Qantas storing planes like A380 which will be used again at VCV and not in Alice Springs? Wouldn't logistics of sending pilots and mechanics to Alice Springs be easier, or the storage in VCV is so much cheaper and planes will be there for a long time.


ASP is limited on space, additionally VCV is closer to LAX then what ASP is to SYD or MEL so VCV is easier for engineers to access, ASP would require engineers to be sent from SYD, obvious additional
Costs incurred would be things such as accommodation
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:03 am

Qantas A380 VH-OQC flying SYD-LAX as QF6003 for storage, ETA 9:53AM LA time. This is the final A380 to leave Australian soil, and was the final Qantas 4 engined aircraft in Australia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oqc
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:06 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
Qantas A380 VH-OQC flying SYD-LAX as QF6003 for storage, ETA 9:53AM LA time. This is the final A380 to leave Australian soil, and was the final Qantas 4 engined aircraft in Australia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oqc


Technically VH-OJA counts as a four engined aircraft remaining in Australian soil.
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:23 am

Ishrion wrote:
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Qantas A380 VH-OQC flying SYD-LAX as QF6003 for storage, ETA 9:53AM LA time. This is the final A380 to leave Australian soil, and was the final Qantas 4 engined aircraft in Australia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oqc


Technically VH-OJA counts as a four engined aircraft remaining in Australian soil.


True. I should’ve clarified: last 4 engined aircraft in active service with Qantas.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:48 am

Ishrion wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
Qantas A380 VH-OQC flying SYD-LAX as QF6003 for storage, ETA 9:53AM LA time. This is the final A380 to leave Australian soil, and was the final Qantas 4 engined aircraft in Australia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oqc


Technically VH-OJA counts as a four engined aircraft remaining in Australian soil.


So does the 747-200 and 707 at the Qantas Founders Museum in Longreach
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:57 am

qf789 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
VCVSpotter wrote:
Qantas A380 VH-OQC flying SYD-LAX as QF6003 for storage, ETA 9:53AM LA time. This is the final A380 to leave Australian soil, and was the final Qantas 4 engined aircraft in Australia.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/vh-oqc


Technically VH-OJA counts as a four engined aircraft remaining in Australian soil.


So does the 747-200 and 707 at the Qantas Founders Museum in Longreach

Given all three have been removed from the active register, it is fair to say they don't count but I do believe there are still a few BAe146 flying for Cobham which are active so they constitute the last active 4 engine planes in AU.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:12 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Technically VH-OJA counts as a four engined aircraft remaining in Australian soil.


So does the 747-200 and 707 at the Qantas Founders Museum in Longreach

Given all three have been removed from the active register, it is fair to say they don't count but I do believe there are still a few BAe146 flying for Cobham which are active so they constitute the last active 4 engine planes in AU.


Indeed I saw a BAe146 take off not long before VH-OEJ left our shores for the last time.

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There should be some solace that we will continue to see 747 cargo aircraft fly in as well.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:24 am

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ABpositive wrote:
Not sure if this has already been answered somewhere, but why is Qantas storing planes like A380 which will be used again at VCV and not in Alice Springs? Wouldn't logistics of sending pilots and mechanics to Alice Springs be easier, or the storage in VCV is so much cheaper and planes will be there for a long time.


ASP is limited on space, additionally VCV is closer to LAX then what ASP is to SYD or MEL so VCV is easier for engineers to access, ASP would require engineers to be sent from SYD, obvious additional
Costs incurred would be things such as accommodation


I thought that maintenance was provided by ASP when aircraft were stored there. Or can an airline elect to not have the facility perform this and perform their own?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:04 am

I don't really care for the A380 or if it ever will fly with Qantas again, I don't know why I think like that, but just so down to see the end of the 747, really wished QF had of replaced the 744s with the 748's if the economics were right. But I know that is just dreaming.
 
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Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:16 am

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I do believe there are still a few BAe146 flying for Cobham which are active so they constitute the last active 4 engine planes in AU.


Indeed, Cobham has 7x pax and 4x freighter 146/RJs in active service. Pionair also has a small fleet (of which the above photo of -SAJ is a part).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:57 am

QF have an engineering crew based in LAX. It's an easy drive to VCV if they have to go on a weekly basis to power up aircraft, reset electronics ....

As previously stated, they would have to fly a crew into ASP or permanently base them in ASP. Costs.....
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:04 am

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QF have an engineering crew based in LAX. It's an easy drive to VCV if they have to go on a weekly basis to power up aircraft, reset electronics ....

As previously stated, they would have to fly a crew into ASP or permanently base them in ASP. Costs.....


QF LAX facility up in the air. The majority of local staff have been furloughed and the future of hangar lease-up in the air. Its an expensive A380 tailored facility. With doubts as to what future schedule and network will look like, its an expensive cost to carry.

VCV has contract vendors that handle storage servicing. QF does need its own staff.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:29 am

Virgin Australia is moving out of Bowen Hills and into the same Southbank office tower as FlightCentre. According to reports in The Australian last month Bain was in discussions with FlightCentre because Bowen Hills has far more room than the slimmed-down Virgin Australia 2.0 will need and FlightCentre also has quite a bit of spare space, and FlightCentre was offering a cut-price lease in exchange for a higher commission on selling VA fares, which sounds pretty smart!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... uthbank-hq
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:26 pm

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Virgin Australia is moving out of Bowen Hills and into the same Southbank office tower as FlightCentre. According to reports in The Australian last month Bain was in discussions with FlightCentre because Bowen Hills has far more room than the slimmed-down Virgin Australia 2.0 will need and FlightCentre also has quite a bit of spare space, and FlightCentre was offering a cut-price lease in exchange for a higher commission on selling VA fares, which sounds pretty smart!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... uthbank-hq


Just throwing wild speculation out there but is there any value do we think in a combined VA+FlightCentre? It would be going against previous trends of airlines getting rid of their travel agency arms, but is that now changed, or different in this situation?
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:34 pm

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CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia is moving out of Bowen Hills and into the same Southbank office tower as FlightCentre. According to reports in The Australian last month Bain was in discussions with FlightCentre because Bowen Hills has far more room than the slimmed-down Virgin Australia 2.0 will need and FlightCentre also has quite a bit of spare space, and FlightCentre was offering a cut-price lease in exchange for a higher commission on selling VA fares, which sounds pretty smart!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... uthbank-hq


Just throwing wild speculation out there but is there any value do we think in a combined VA+FlightCentre? It would be going against previous trends of airlines getting rid of their travel agency arms, but is that now changed, or different in this situation?

I would doubt it. Both businesses have massive issues following Covid and a merger doesn't really help. FC and its various subsidiaries is the largest travel agent in Australia only rivalled by Helloworld. It needs to maintain arms-length relations with both airline groups.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:16 pm

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ABpositive wrote:
Not sure if this has already been answered somewhere, but why is Qantas storing planes like A380 which will be used again at VCV and not in Alice Springs? Wouldn't logistics of sending pilots and mechanics to Alice Springs be easier, or the storage in VCV is so much cheaper and planes will be there for a long time.


ASP is limited on space, additionally VCV is closer to LAX then what ASP is to SYD or MEL so VCV is easier for engineers to access, ASP would require engineers to be sent from SYD, obvious additional
Costs incurred would be things such as accommodation


We keep hearing that ASP is short of space, yet CX are supposed to be putting 30% of their fleet at ASP over the next month (A333’s and B777) according to other forums. Either ASP did make the extra space that was talked about and QF were too late getting to it, QF chose VCV for other reasons, or the CX story is false and there is no room. B-HLV arrived yesterday from HKG so that gives some credit to the CX story.
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Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:10 am

Boof wrote:
qf789 wrote:
ABpositive wrote:
Not sure if this has already been answered somewhere, but why is Qantas storing planes like A380 which will be used again at VCV and not in Alice Springs? Wouldn't logistics of sending pilots and mechanics to Alice Springs be easier, or the storage in VCV is so much cheaper and planes will be there for a long time.


ASP is limited on space, additionally VCV is closer to LAX then what ASP is to SYD or MEL so VCV is easier for engineers to access, ASP would require engineers to be sent from SYD, obvious additional
Costs incurred would be things such as accommodation


We keep hearing that ASP is short of space, yet CX are supposed to be putting 30% of their fleet at ASP over the next month (A333’s and B777) according to other forums. Either ASP did make the extra space that was talked about and QF were too late getting to it, QF chose VCV for other reasons, or the CX story is false and there is no room. B-HLV arrived yesterday from HKG so that gives some credit to the CX story.


Just to put speculation to rest from what sources have indicated ASP was considered, however QF decided to go with VCV. The conditions need to be considered not only during the day but also at night. The humidity in the evening isn’t ideal for long term storage & the air doesn’t get any drier than the California desert.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:26 am

Given the very slow recovery expected in international travel, it is surprising that the JQ 788s remain at AVV. Realistically, international leisure travel to places such as Bali, Phuket etc is still at least a year away and, even then, it is arguable that the A321Ns when they arrive are more likely for DPS than the 788s.

In a perfect world, QF would probably like to get rid of the 788s but there is no market for them so they will either move them to long term storage in US or ASP (yes I know there isn't space there currently) or reconfigure them so they can do domestic flights replacing the first Cityflyer A332s.

It is arguable that the A332 fleet which is also largely stored at AVV may also be a candidate for long-term storage given domestic will be principally covered by 737s for the next 6 to 12 months with A333s handling routes where demand, principally freight, requires something larger.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:05 am

The 4 oldest 332s (EBA-EBD) are all older than the last 747 OEJ, being 2002/03 deliveries.

Then you've got the 333s which are all 2003/04/05 deliveries.

If you believe the Covid stats places like Thailand, Malaysia, Taiwan have very low Covid stats and could form part of a limited bubble, and probably more relevant for JQ services than QF.

Certainly far more likely than places like Indonesia and Japan.

Does anyone know how impacted the Airbus factories are given the 321LRs meant to be rolling off the line for JQ this year.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:10 am

Queensland Government has apparently just announced they are banning all Sydneysiders from the state. This is a major setback for QF,VA and the Queensland tourism industry.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:43 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia is moving out of Bowen Hills and into the same Southbank office tower as FlightCentre. According to reports in The Australian last month Bain was in discussions with FlightCentre because Bowen Hills has far more room than the slimmed-down Virgin Australia 2.0 will need and FlightCentre also has quite a bit of spare space, and FlightCentre was offering a cut-price lease in exchange for a higher commission on selling VA fares, which sounds pretty smart!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... uthbank-hq


Just throwing wild speculation out there but is there any value do we think in a combined VA+FlightCentre? It would be going against previous trends of airlines getting rid of their travel agency arms, but is that now changed, or different in this situation?

I would doubt it. Both businesses have massive issues following Covid and a merger doesn't really help. FC and its various subsidiaries is the largest travel agent in Australia only rivalled by Helloworld. It needs to maintain arms-length relations with both airline groups.


Doesn’t Qantas own a major stake in Helloworld? I know they sold down a portion, but thought they still retained a fair chunk.

The fact VA felt it was appropriate to separate its key offices between cities staggers me. Seems a bizarre culture to foster, and I can’t help think it was only due to certain exec not wanting to move to Brisbane- I can only think of positives to consolidate as much of the head office and corporate functions as possible into the one building. Can only build collaboration and efficiency- not to mention reduce property costs in the current environment.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:25 am

Can only see the JQ 788s facing the same fate as VA's (owned) 77Ws, getting 'mothballed' for the foreseeable future until international border restrictions starts to ease, which probably a year off at the earliest.

Even then, JQ's 788s is under a cloud as well considering the earlier (Pre-Covid) news reports of the QF group wanting to 'off-load' 3 of the JQ 788s (although "selling" to 'mainline' wasn't ruled out either).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:01 am

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Doesn’t Qantas own a major stake in Helloworld? I know they sold down a portion, but thought they still retained a fair chunk.


Having not taken up it's rights in the recent raising down to 13% or so.

This is all from the original Qantas holidays business, merged with Jersey, merged with Stella, and a few sales in between.

Stake worth about $30m these days, was triple that 18 months ago.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:28 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Can only see the JQ 788s facing the same fate as VA's (owned) 77Ws, getting 'mothballed' for the foreseeable future until international border restrictions starts to ease, which probably a year off at the earliest.

Even then, JQ's 788s is under a cloud as well considering the earlier (Pre-Covid) news reports of the QF group wanting to 'off-load' 3 of the JQ 788s (although "selling" to 'mainline' wasn't ruled out either).


Maybe they could just be reconfigured for QF in J and send them to Asia when it reopens? Or use them domestically on the golden triangle with current J to reduce costs and have flights every 60-30mins not 15 like in the old days?

They used market will be shot, so maybe cheaper to operate for 2-5yrs then sell them when the second hand market recovers?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:10 pm

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The fact VA felt it was appropriate to separate its key offices between cities staggers me. Seems a bizarre culture to foster, and I can’t help think it was only due to certain exec not wanting to move to Brisbane- I can only think of positives to consolidate as much of the head office and corporate functions as possible into the one building. Can only build collaboration and efficiency- not to mention reduce property costs in the current environment.


Granted it's not in a separate city but it's worth noting that QF also maintains a separate office (complete with sweeping harbour views) for their executive level staff in the Sydney CBD.

Also worth noting that it is walking distance for Alan Joyce from his home...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:30 am

smi0006 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Can only see the JQ 788s facing the same fate as VA's (owned) 77Ws, getting 'mothballed' for the foreseeable future until international border restrictions starts to ease, which probably a year off at the earliest.

Even then, JQ's 788s is under a cloud as well considering the earlier (Pre-Covid) news reports of the QF group wanting to 'off-load' 3 of the JQ 788s (although "selling" to 'mainline' wasn't ruled out either).


Maybe they could just be reconfigured for QF in J and send them to Asia when it reopens? Or use them domestically on the golden triangle with current J to reduce costs and have flights every 60-30mins not 15 like in the old days?

They used market will be shot, so maybe cheaper to operate for 2-5yrs then sell them when the second hand market recovers?

Moving into mainline domestic is an option but it would probably be cheaper to just send them to Victorville for a few years.
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