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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:58 am

Anyone have OEJs movement times into and out of BNE for this weeks joy flight?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:57 am

VCVSpotter wrote:
Qantas A380 VH-OQH filed MEL-VCV 12:30PM - 9:19AM as QF6001 for storage.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA6001



I'm a bit sad to see this one go in particular. I had a great flight a couple of years ago on OQH, SIN-LHR in the small mini upper deck Y cabin.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:07 am

With ongoing inbound passenger number restrictions, wouldn't be surprised to see a reduction in International flights by foreign carriers. It will be difficult for carriers to justify flights, we've seen this already with AA announcing it is suspending flights until 2021. You'd reckon there will be more to come.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:39 am

vhebb wrote:
Anyone have OEJs movement times into and out of BNE for this weeks joy flight?


I've been advised of the following schedule on Wednesday 15 July;

15/7/20 QF6160 ETD SYD 0730 ETA BNE 0900
15/7/20 QF747 ETD BNE 1015 ETA BNE 1130
15/7/20 QF6161 ETD BNE 1630 ETA SYD 1800

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:47 am

And this for Canberra's turn on Friday 17 July


I've been advised of the following schedule on Friday 17 July;

17/7/20 QF6160 ETD SYD 0930 ETA CBR 1020
17/7/20 QF747 ETD CBR 1200 ETA CBR 1315
17/7/20 QF6161 ETD CBR 1700 ETA SYD 1750

VH-OQL is set to depart SYD on Friday 17 July as QF6003 to LAX followed the next day as QF6007 to VCV.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:49 am

Wonder why it can't go direct like the MEL-VCV flights?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:38 am

moa999 wrote:
Wonder why it can't go direct like the MEL-VCV flights?


Not sure, just what my contact at QF advised me?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:33 am

VH-BZF wrote:
moa999 wrote:
Wonder why it can't go direct like the MEL-VCV flights?


Not sure, just what my contact at QF advised me?

BZF

Probably carrying some freight. Just a wild guess
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:56 am

VH-BZF wrote:
With ongoing inbound passenger number restrictions, wouldn't be surprised to see a reduction in International flights by foreign carriers. It will be difficult for carriers to justify flights, we've seen this already with AA announcing it is suspending flights until 2021. You'd reckon there will be more to come.

BZF


Not really surprising with AA. If things settle somewhat and that would be a big ask looking at what is happening in the U.S. at present and the Australian government allows passengers back in, airlines can re-open bookings and flights. However, being realistic with the states, mid 2021 is even probably optimistic. I was surprised DL restarted when they did. UA has a minimum of 2 flights a day to SYD, the scheduled SFO 789 which carries pax. plus at least one LAX flight with either a 789, or 77W, sometimes both. There is also the occasional extra flight out of SFO with either a 789 or 77W.

As a matter of interest, AA is operating 2-3 77W flights LAX-SYD at present, presumably just as freighters. I did see an article a couple of months ago, of an AA 77W out of Argentina, carrying just over 53 tonnes of Soya Bean seeds to Miami. Scary to think that a 77W can carry that much just on the lower deck.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:47 am

x1234 wrote:
When is the Australian border open to Americans? I have family members that want to visit Australia.

So do I, but even 2022 is looking unlikely, at least without strict quarantine. Australia is largely on an elimination path, and the US seems to be doing the opposite.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:43 pm

Kent350787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When is the Australian border open to Americans? I have family members that want to visit Australia.

So do I, but even 2022 is looking unlikely, at least without strict quarantine. Australia is largely on an elimination path, and the US seems to be doing the opposite.

Does anyone know if Australia plans to reduce the quarantine sentence for inbound citizens from America? Or is that likely to stay in effect forever (or until a vaccine is available).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:13 pm

HM7 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When is the Australian border open to Americans? I have family members that want to visit Australia.

So do I, but even 2022 is looking unlikely, at least without strict quarantine. Australia is largely on an elimination path, and the US seems to be doing the opposite.

Does anyone know if Australia plans to reduce the quarantine sentence for inbound citizens from America? Or is that likely to stay in effect forever (or until a vaccine is available).


No plans unless there is a vaccine. Currently you would also need Australian citizenship as the border is closed.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:40 pm

HM7 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When is the Australian border open to Americans? I have family members that want to visit Australia.

So do I, but even 2022 is looking unlikely, at least without strict quarantine. Australia is largely on an elimination path, and the US seems to be doing the opposite.

Does anyone know if Australia plans to reduce the quarantine sentence for inbound citizens from America? Or is that likely to stay in effect forever (or until a vaccine is available).


The key infection vector for Australia in the beginning was tourists from the US. Australia will remain very wary.

All inbound travellers face 14 days quarantine, and even travel from Victoria to other states requires 14 days self isolation.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:20 pm

anstar wrote:
HM7 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
So do I, but even 2022 is looking unlikely, at least without strict quarantine. Australia is largely on an elimination path, and the US seems to be doing the opposite.

Does anyone know if Australia plans to reduce the quarantine sentence for inbound citizens from America? Or is that likely to stay in effect forever (or until a vaccine is available).


No plans unless there is a vaccine. Currently you would also need Australian citizenship as the border is closed.

Not 100% citizenship but apparently it'll also do the trick if you have permanent residency.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:37 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
anstar wrote:
HM7 wrote:
Does anyone know if Australia plans to reduce the quarantine sentence for inbound citizens from America? Or is that likely to stay in effect forever (or until a vaccine is available).


No plans unless there is a vaccine. Currently you would also need Australian citizenship as the border is closed.

Not 100% citizenship but apparently it'll also do the trick if you have permanent residency.

Michael


Sorry, I may have misread - anstar, are you Oz citizen or PR? If yes, you're allowed to return to 14 day hotel quarantine if you can get here. If not citizen or PR, you'd need a special exemption to travel here.

Well managed hotel quarantine for international entries had been a key to control in Australia, and still needs to be so.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:27 am

Does anyone know the departure time for VH-OEJ from LAX to VCV on July 23rd?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:42 am

HM7 wrote:
Does anyone know the departure time for VH-OEJ from LAX to VCV on July 23rd?


I understand it will be Friday 24 July, QF7474 departing LAX at around 0930, my information has it?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:32 am

Kent350787 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
anstar wrote:

No plans unless there is a vaccine. Currently you would also need Australian citizenship as the border is closed.

Not 100% citizenship but apparently it'll also do the trick if you have permanent residency.

Michael


Sorry, I may have misread - anstar, are you Oz citizen or PR? If yes, you're allowed to return to 14 day hotel quarantine if you can get here. If not citizen or PR, you'd need a special exemption to travel here.

Well managed hotel quarantine for international entries had been a key to control in Australia, and still needs to be so.


Well was not to well managed down here in Melbourne, we went backwards, and now locked down again.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:56 am

Flyingsottsman wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Not 100% citizenship but apparently it'll also do the trick if you have permanent residency.

Michael


Sorry, I may have misread - anstar, are you Oz citizen or PR? If yes, you're allowed to return to 14 day hotel quarantine if you can get here. If not citizen or PR, you'd need a special exemption to travel here.

Well managed hotel quarantine for international entries had been a key to control in Australia, and still needs to be so.


Well was not to well managed down here in Melbourne, we went backwards, and now locked down again.
Even in an emergency like this, the attitude is "we must save money" so lets hire cheap labour.

Let’s pray NSW don’t head down the same path with our latest cluster linked to the Crossroads Hotel in Casula with growing cases. Bloody morons going on about life as though everything is back to normal...


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:14 am

EK413 wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:

Sorry, I may have misread - anstar, are you Oz citizen or PR? If yes, you're allowed to return to 14 day hotel quarantine if you can get here. If not citizen or PR, you'd need a special exemption to travel here.

Well managed hotel quarantine for international entries had been a key to control in Australia, and still needs to be so.


Well was not to well managed down here in Melbourne, we went backwards, and now locked down again.
Even in an emergency like this, the attitude is "we must save money" so lets hire cheap labour.

Let’s pray NSW don’t head down the same path with our latest cluster linked to the Crossroads Hotel in Casula with growing cases. Bloody morons going on about life as though everything is back to normal...


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Yep fingers crossed NSW will control the crisis or otherwise lockdown is not fun, especially for aviation

And even worse for us down here living in the fear of potential Stage 4....

Some people just can't give it a rest and this is exactly why everything we achieved so far went backwards

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:01 pm

VH-BZF wrote:
HM7 wrote:
Does anyone know the departure time for VH-OEJ from LAX to VCV on July 23rd?


I understand it will be Friday 24 July, QF7474 departing LAX at around 0930, my information has it?

BZF

Is the extra day to remove the Qantas titles?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:02 pm

HM7 wrote:
VH-BZF wrote:
HM7 wrote:
Does anyone know the departure time for VH-OEJ from LAX to VCV on July 23rd?


I understand it will be Friday 24 July, QF7474 departing LAX at around 0930, my information has it?

BZF

Is the extra day to remove the Qantas titles?

Crew rest is more likely the reason especially when IIRC none of the current 744ERs removed their Qantas title during their stay @ LAX.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:16 pm

HM7 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
x1234 wrote:
When is the Australian border open to Americans? I have family members that want to visit Australia.

So do I, but even 2022 is looking unlikely, at least without strict quarantine. Australia is largely on an elimination path, and the US seems to be doing the opposite.

Does anyone know if Australia plans to reduce the quarantine sentence for inbound citizens from America? Or is that likely to stay in effect forever (or until a vaccine is available).


At least until the USA gets its act together, I would suspect that no one would be allowed in from the USA at all unless they have citizenship within the bubble (Australia, Cook Islands, Fiji, and New Zealand), and definitely through the end of NW20 at least. The USA has handled COVID-19 horribly. As it is, QF/JQ have already suspended all international non-Tasman, Cook Islands, and Fiji flights through the end of NW20.

As for flights between AKL and PER, or even AKL and SYD, might that get a mix of A330 and B789 aircraft for cargo and to keep pilots current on both models? As for the A380, the only reason I could see that returning at some point is because long-haul, you have the A388 and B789 only.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:58 pm

BITRE international for May

Inbound LF average 18.4%
Outbound LF average 34.6%

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... y_0520.pdf
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:33 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
HM7 wrote:
VH-BZF wrote:

I understand it will be Friday 24 July, QF7474 departing LAX at around 0930, my information has it?

BZF

Is the extra day to remove the Qantas titles?

Crew rest is more likely the reason especially when IIRC none of the current 744ERs removed their Qantas title during their stay @ LAX.

Michael

Yeah I asked because none of the 744ERs stayed for more than a day, so I was wondering if they’re doing something different.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:42 am

Perth Airport has advised planned operation of a few passenger charters (though times / dates provisional) next week, if they go ahead as scheduled it'll be the first time MIAT and Silk Air visit Perth, and the first time for a GA A339.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:05 pm

VH-OQK set to depart Melbourne as QF6001 to LAX on the 21st of July, then onto VCV on the 22nd of July as QF6007, I've read elsewhere. This is the 3rd A380 and final QF A380 that was stored in Melbourne. That will I understand leave 1 A380 in Sydney to depart, along with the others in Abu Dhabi and Dresden.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:10 pm

New capacity restrictions today - SYD flights now capped inbound at 30pax aligning with BNE.... things get tough for the internationals.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:17 pm

smi0006 wrote:
New capacity restrictions today - SYD flights now capped inbound at 30pax aligning with BNE.... things get tough for the internationals.

It would be interesting to see what departure loads are like at the moment. I don't know how many foreign nationals remain in Australia which would make up the bulk of any of these loads.

Obviously freight capacity on these aircraft is much higher than usual which may make these service somewhat viable. Given it is likely a significant part of the rear Y cabins are used to carry soft freight, does this mean the cabin crew numbers requirement is reduced?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:33 pm

Because QF is going to brutally reduce its international network, is it impossible for 14 B787s to replace the B747s and A380s that passed with the existing routes? these cuts will only make the ME3 stronger
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:41 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Because QF is going to brutally reduce its international network, is it impossible for 14 B787s to replace the B747s and A380s that passed with the existing routes? these cuts will only make the ME3 stronger
SYD-LAX/SFO/DFW/JNB/SCL
SYD-SIN-LHR
MEL-PER-LHR
MEL-LAX/SFO
BNE-SFO/ORD/LAX-JFK


Not all of those routes are going to come back at once, some may not come back at all and ORD won’t be starting anytime soon.

I’m not sure how these will make the ME3 stronger either really, only LHR and that will definitely return at some point plus QF have EK.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:12 am

tullamarine wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
New capacity restrictions today - SYD flights now capped inbound at 30pax aligning with BNE.... things get tough for the internationals.

It would be interesting to see what departure loads are like at the moment. I don't know how many foreign nationals remain in Australia which would make up the bulk of any of these loads.

Obviously freight capacity on these aircraft is much higher than usual which may make these service somewhat viable. Given it is likely a significant part of the rear Y cabins are used to carry soft freight, does this mean the cabin crew numbers requirement is reduced?

Wouldn't think so as long as there's pax in cabin

Also I don't believe they can carry soft freight plus pax in a single deck (without the old-fashioned Combi arrangements of course) - correct me if I'm wrong though

I know a friend of mine is due to crew HND-SYD tonight - will see how that one goes and update if needed

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:46 am

smi0006 wrote:
New capacity restrictions today - SYD flights now capped inbound at 30pax aligning with BNE.... things get tough for the internationals.


Do these caps only apply to pax getting off at SYD or would they apply to transits as well? If not it would probably make sense for the remaining carriers to link Australia and New Zealand while these Australian caps are in place?

Eg. EK operates DXB-SYD-AKL/WLG/CHC carrying 30pax for SYD and then whatever they can take on through to New Zealand port. Would allow them to generate more revenue on the longest sector to hopefully more than offset the additional cost of the Tasman tag. Plus cargo I would imagine.

I see QR is starting to do this with DOH-BNE-AKL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:23 am

a7ala wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
New capacity restrictions today - SYD flights now capped inbound at 30pax aligning with BNE.... things get tough for the internationals.


Do these caps only apply to pax getting off at SYD or would they apply to transits as well? If not it would probably make sense for the remaining carriers to link Australia and New Zealand while these Australian caps are in place?

Eg. EK operates DXB-SYD-AKL/WLG/CHC carrying 30pax for SYD and then whatever they can take on through to New Zealand port. Would allow them to generate more revenue on the longest sector to hopefully more than offset the additional cost of the Tasman tag. Plus cargo I would imagine.

I see QR is starting to do this with DOH-BNE-AKL.


Would be surprised if it impacted transits, the whole issue is about hotel quarantining and the staff required for that so transits don't impact that. What would be interesting would be to see more carriers do triangle routings as they can carry more pax on a single aircraft... currently believe only SQ is doing this with the SIN-SYD-BNE-SIN rotation.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:49 am

Qantas16 wrote:
a7ala wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
New capacity restrictions today - SYD flights now capped inbound at 30pax aligning with BNE.... things get tough for the internationals.


Do these caps only apply to pax getting off at SYD or would they apply to transits as well? If not it would probably make sense for the remaining carriers to link Australia and New Zealand while these Australian caps are in place?

Eg. EK operates DXB-SYD-AKL/WLG/CHC carrying 30pax for SYD and then whatever they can take on through to New Zealand port. Would allow them to generate more revenue on the longest sector to hopefully more than offset the additional cost of the Tasman tag. Plus cargo I would imagine.

I see QR is starting to do this with DOH-BNE-AKL.


Would be surprised if it impacted transits, the whole issue is about hotel quarantining and the staff required for that so transits don't impact that. What would be interesting would be to see more carriers do triangle routings as they can carry more pax on a single aircraft... currently believe only SQ is doing this with the SIN-SYD-BNE-SIN rotation.


UL is doing CMB/MEL/SYD/CMB as well at the moment.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:01 am

VH-BZF wrote:
VH-OQK set to depart Melbourne as QF6001 to LAX on the 21st of July, then onto VCV on the 22nd of July as QF6007, I've read elsewhere. This is the 3rd A380 and final QF A380 that was stored in Melbourne. That will I understand leave 1 A380 in Sydney to depart, along with the others in Abu Dhabi and Dresden.

BZF


There are still 2 A380's in SYD, can see them from my balcony :) . Will be sad to see them go and can only hope they are back sooner than later.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:53 am

bjwonline wrote:
VH-BZF wrote:
VH-OQK set to depart Melbourne as QF6001 to LAX on the 21st of July, then onto VCV on the 22nd of July as QF6007, I've read elsewhere. This is the 3rd A380 and final QF A380 that was stored in Melbourne. That will I understand leave 1 A380 in Sydney to depart, along with the others in Abu Dhabi and Dresden.

BZF


There are still 2 A380's in SYD, can see them from my balcony :) . Will be sad to see them go and can only hope they are back sooner than later.


VH-OQA/E/F/H/J/ gone to VCV. OQK going next week. OQB was already at LAX. OQD at AUH. OQG and OQI at DRS which leaves OQC at SYD. OQL en-route to LAX/VCV right now (left about 2 hours ago at 13:50).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:59 am

I genuinely, no bias at all, cannot see the A380 disappearing from the QF network, maybe reduce the fleet to 8-10 but I just can't see that happening. The pax range between the 789 and the a380 is just too large, operating 789's to LAX and LHR just isn't going to work if you take a moment to think about the daily wait at either end, it would nullify the advantages of frequency anyways. Even with the capacity cuts, it can command the routes it does operate. EK is on terms with QF, EY is down, it's really only QR they have to contend with on the Kangaroo route. CX ain't going anywhere, KE, OZ, JL, NH, TG, CZ, CA, GA, and AI are either focused on other areas or on the floor. QF can take the stability of Aus to it's advantage and take on the pax from other airlines on the way over.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:19 am

Ellofiend wrote:
I genuinely, no bias at all, cannot see the A380 disappearing from the QF network, maybe reduce the fleet to 8-10 but I just can't see that happening. The pax range between the 789 and the a380 is just too large, operating 789's to LAX and LHR just isn't going to work if you take a moment to think about the daily wait at either end, it would nullify the advantages of frequency anyways. Even with the capacity cuts, it can command the routes it does operate. EK is on terms with QF, EY is down, it's really only QR they have to contend with on the Kangaroo route. CX ain't going anywhere, KE, OZ, JL, NH, TG, CZ, CA, GA, and AI are either focused on other areas or on the floor. QF can take the stability of Aus to it's advantage and take on the pax from other airlines on the way over.


None of which they are doing. They won't be flying to LHR until March 2021 at the earliest, and it will almost certainly be later than that. By the time Qantas are even thinking about growing capacity in any significant way (realistically 2022 at the earliest) the likes of SQ, CX, EK will be rebounding their own capacity. I honestly can't see anything other than (likely SYD-)PER-LHR anytime during the next 24 months, and probably not even that for 12 months.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:34 am

Ellofiend wrote:
Even with the capacity cuts, it can command the routes it does operate. EK is on terms with QF, EY is down, it's really only QR they have to contend with on the Kangaroo route. CX ain't going anywhere, KE, OZ, JL, NH, TG, CZ, CA, GA, and AI are either focused on other areas or on the floor.


Well of course you conveniently leave SQ off that list, there will be plenty of competition from SQ on the Kangaroo route. Not sure why you think CX isn't going to be around either...
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:04 pm

SYDSpotter wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Even with the capacity cuts, it can command the routes it does operate. EK is on terms with QF, EY is down, it's really only QR they have to contend with on the Kangaroo route. CX ain't going anywhere, KE, OZ, JL, NH, TG, CZ, CA, GA, and AI are either focused on other areas or on the floor.


Well of course you conveniently leave SQ off that list, there will be plenty of competition from SQ on the Kangaroo route. Not sure why you think CX isn't going to be around either...


CX is in dire straights right now, HK is a different place and CX hasn't adapted quickly enough, not that I blame them. It's a perfect storm really. Btw, you notice how there are 9 other carriers who won't be competing?? SQ, being the local heavy-weight will take it on themselves to supplement any long haul flights with services from these areas meaning there will be less capacity on the SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL/PER-SIN route by way of SQ metal, i.e. less competition. QF will be able to claim at least 40% say of the total Australia-Eu capacity based on their 13% last year. This is even more apparent when you consider that QF will not be sending their aircraft to the US any time soon and the impending travel bubble encompassing AUS/SIN will greatly assist in this strategy. Potentially, interline agreements with EU based carriers could afford QF the ability to negate the non-stops from SQ which would be the only reason anyone would fly SQ. Therefore, SQ is not a threat to this strategy, QR is with their active fleet and competitive position, geographically and strategically.- also this is towards the beginning of 2021, Australia is in a good position to implement these travel bubbles unlike other asian countries and additionally, Qantas is in good financial health (relatively speaking of course) in comparision to the likes fo KE (their 'fighting for survival' pitch for government aid was not a lie, they are in trouble, but still not the same level as CX), OZ, GA, TG and such who are in either questionable financial situation (KE, OZ, CX, TG) or are in no position to begin intl flights (GA, AI) at the current rate of virus infection in their respective countries.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:53 am

Some of the QF 747 farewell fights have made it to Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itQaxQMZfCk

Would have been a nice gesture for QF to have one of the flights go over suburban MEL so those of us in lockdown could have one last glimpse of The Queen in QF colours from our backyards.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:09 am

melpax wrote:
Some of the QF 747 farewell fights have made it to Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itQaxQMZfCk

Would have been a nice gesture for QF to have one of the flights go over suburban MEL so those of us in lockdown could have one last glimpse of The Queen in QF colours from our backyards.


It was nice of QF to do the flights at all.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:23 am

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melpax wrote:

It was nice of QF to do the flights at all.


True, not happy that lockdown has caused us down here to miss out!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:31 am

Does anyone know why the past two CX flights ex-ADL are originating in SYD? The first one was on the 12th (B77W) and the second one was today (A35K)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:54 am

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Does anyone know why the past two CX flights ex-ADL are originating in SYD? The first one was on the 12th (B77W) and the second one was today (A35K)

It could be freight import/export or it could be a way to distribute arriving passengers in each port given the limits that apply now in each state.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:14 am

tullamarine wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Does anyone know why the past two CX flights ex-ADL are originating in SYD? The first one was on the 12th (B77W) and the second one was today (A35K)

It could be freight import/export or it could be a way to distribute arriving passengers in each port given the limits that apply now in each state.

Makes sense to do a milk-run ... not sure operationally and financially how that works ... but with only 30 pax per port, drop off 30 in SYD, 30 in ADL, well now you can take 60 per flight. I see that QR are doing a version of this with DOH-BNE-AKL so they could, potentially, have a full aircraft on the DOH-BNE leg, 30 pax disembark, then your almost-full plane carries on for the BNE-AKL sector.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:40 am

myki wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Ellofiend wrote:
Does anyone know why the past two CX flights ex-ADL are originating in SYD? The first one was on the 12th (B77W) and the second one was today (A35K)

It could be freight import/export or it could be a way to distribute arriving passengers in each port given the limits that apply now in each state.

Makes sense to do a milk-run ... not sure operationally and financially how that works ... but with only 30 pax per port, drop off 30 in SYD, 30 in ADL, well now you can take 60 per flight. I see that QR is doing a version of this with DOH-BNE-AKL so they could, potentially, have a full aircraft on the DOH-BNE leg, 30 pax disembark, then your almost-full plane carries on for the BNE-AKL sector.


An interesting development, perhaps a new "meta" as the gamers among us call it. Is this exclusive to Au with the int'l restrictions? Maybe this could be something that is seen as the most economically viable option to many long-distance destinations that have now been reduced significantly in pax where it makes sense to do tag flights or 7th/8th/9th freedom flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:35 am

Just a last minute request - as we say goodbye to the 747 this week I am compiling a thread to mark the occasion, if anyone has any old schedules, photos or just memories (or anything else) that they have could you please either pm me or email at [email protected] will need these by end of Monday at the latest

Thanks in advance
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:10 am

qf789 wrote:
Just a last minute request - as we say goodbye to the 747 this week I am compiling a thread to mark the occasion, if anyone has any old schedules, photos or just memories (or anything else) that they have could you please either pm me or email at [email protected] will need these by end of Monday at the latest

Thanks in advance


Just sent one to your anet email, hope its ok to use

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