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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:47 am

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The fact VA felt it was appropriate to separate its key offices between cities staggers me. Seems a bizarre culture to foster, and I can’t help think it was only due to certain exec not wanting to move to Brisbane- I can only think of positives to consolidate as much of the head office and corporate functions as possible into the one building. Can only build collaboration and efficiency- not to mention reduce property costs in the current environment.


Granted it's not in a separate city but it's worth noting that QF also maintains a separate office (complete with sweeping harbour views) for their executive level staff in the Sydney CBD.

Also worth noting that it is walking distance for Alan Joyce from his home...


Where is this office located? QF used to have 'executive offices' in the CBD, at the Deutsche Bank building on Philip & Hunter, but after Mascot was redeveloped into the Qantas 'Campus' those offices were closed and the execs all relocated to Mascot. Are you saying that QF has since opened another suite of 'executive offices' in the CBD?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:01 am

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:09 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
qf002 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
The fact VA felt it was appropriate to separate its key offices between cities staggers me. Seems a bizarre culture to foster, and I can’t help think it was only due to certain exec not wanting to move to Brisbane- I can only think of positives to consolidate as much of the head office and corporate functions as possible into the one building. Can only build collaboration and efficiency- not to mention reduce property costs in the current environment.


Granted it's not in a separate city but it's worth noting that QF also maintains a separate office (complete with sweeping harbour views) for their executive level staff in the Sydney CBD.

Also worth noting that it is walking distance for Alan Joyce from his home...


Where is this office located? QF used to have 'executive offices' in the CBD, at the Deutsche Bank building on Philip & Hunter, but after Mascot was redeveloped into the Qantas 'Campus' those offices were closed and the execs all relocated to Mascot. Are you saying that QF has since opened another suite of 'executive offices' in the CBD?


http://xmirus.com/portfolio/deutsche-bank-place/

This says theyre still there? I dont recall them moving out to Mascot?

BHP has offices in Melbourne and London to keep close to financial and legal suppliers, and to ensure that they can get sufficiently skilled people to manage complex parts of the business like finance, legal, risk etc. These are far away form the mines that need different specialist skills. Similarly QF having a city office makes sense to be closer to the financial and legal people that are in the city that they will need. Makes sense to base your team there, at least when necessary, and have your own space to meet with international suppliers/visitors (eg Boeing/Airbus reps) and political operatives. I think its a beat up to suggest this is an unwarranted luxury/ego trip for those who use it...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:04 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Where is this office located? QF used to have 'executive offices' in the CBD, at the Deutsche Bank building on Philip & Hunter, but after Mascot was redeveloped into the Qantas 'Campus' those offices were closed and the execs all relocated to Mascot. Are you saying that QF has since opened another suite of 'executive offices' in the CBD?


They are still in DB Place, at least according to the signage in the lobby (level 21 from memory).

For the record, I have no issue with a large company having a CBD office alongside a main campus in the suburbs/elsewhere. I was simply pointing out that VA is not alone in this regard.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:17 am

I, like most people, thought the VA A330s would never fly in revenue service again. However, if this Airlineroute report is to be believed, they will be added to MEL-BNE vv. in September.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2020/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:34 am

DeltaB717 wrote:
I, like most people, thought the VA A330s would never fly in revenue service again. However, if this Airlineroute report is to be believed, they will be added to MEL-BNE vv. in September.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2020/

It would be interesting to know what was behind this; it is definitely not passenger demand. It could be for pilot currency, freight requirements or cycling the aircraft for maintenance.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:43 am

qf002 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Where is this office located? QF used to have 'executive offices' in the CBD, at the Deutsche Bank building on Philip & Hunter, but after Mascot was redeveloped into the Qantas 'Campus' those offices were closed and the execs all relocated to Mascot. Are you saying that QF has since opened another suite of 'executive offices' in the CBD?


They are still in DB Place, at least according to the signage in the lobby (level 21 from memory).

For the record, I have no issue with a large company having a CBD office alongside a main campus in the suburbs/elsewhere. I was simply pointing out that VA is not alone in this regard.


That's really interesting, I was under the impression that the DB offices were long closed. I actually agree with you that there's sense in having some 'CBD digs' for dealing with intensive financial and legal matters, there would certainly be times when you would not want certain people to be seen at Mascot. I wonder how many QF staff actually use those offices on a full-time basis though, you'd think that all the key financial and legal people would need to be at Mascot along with AJ and the rest of the team. Maybe the offices spend a lot of their time empty?

The thing with Virgin Australia is that their SYD offices were very much done for John Borghetti and it's also where the corporate, marketing and PR people are, and none of that needs to be in Sydney, in a different city to VA HQ. I think Virgin would still want some SYD 'base' from time to time but I'm sure they can now just use the meeting rooms and boardrooms of Bain Capital for that.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:47 am

tullamarine wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
I, like most people, thought the VA A330s would never fly in revenue service again. However, if this Airlineroute report is to be believed, they will be added to MEL-BNE vv. in September.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2020/

It would be interesting to know what was behind this; it is definitely not passenger demand. It could be for pilot currency, freight requirements or cycling the aircraft for maintenance.


Yes, no way could this be to carry passengers. But also odd to think it would be for pilot currency, as they Virgin won't need A330 pilots for much longer, so maybe it's freight plus a last bit of necessary maintenance before being handed back to the leasing companies?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:45 am

tullamarine wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
I, like most people, thought the VA A330s would never fly in revenue service again. However, if this Airlineroute report is to be believed, they will be added to MEL-BNE vv. in September.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2020/

It would be interesting to know what was behind this; it is definitely not passenger demand. It could be for pilot currency, freight requirements or cycling the aircraft for maintenance.


If theyre being returned, perhaps running them so they know they are up to spec to be returned, or fix stuff that needs to be fixed prior to return?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:20 am

qf2220 wrote:

http://xmirus.com/portfolio/deutsche-bank-place/

This says theyre still there? I dont recall them moving out to Mascot?.


The site you've linked to is the site of project management consultancy who were involved in the initial development of DB Place, so I wouldn't be relying on that website for a list of current tenants.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:01 am

All the execs are in Mascot. The DB offices are still there but rarely used with the exception of offsites and hosting visitors. Would be a good cost saving effort to shutter them.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:14 am

Tdan wrote:
All the execs are in Mascot. The DB offices are still there but rarely used with the exception of offsites and hosting visitors. Would be a good cost saving effort to shutter them.


Exactly, it is just a "marquee" address to impress clients but otherwise empty. Don't forget that Platinum One members are allowed to use the DB offices (which gives an indication of how under-utilised) they are, which is a very nice perk for P1 based in MEL/BNE/etc who have a virtual office and boardroom in Sydney CBD. Really seems like an unnecessary expense, the rent is surely not cheap.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:26 am

The Herald-Sun is today reporting that Virgin Australia has ended its sponsorship of the annual Melbourne Fashion Festival. No surprise there of course, this was a very Borghetti sponsorship aimed to present Virgin Australia as upmarket and if it made little sense then it makes even less under Bain.

Story at https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/ but behind a paywall.

I found this rundown of Virgin sponsorships online: with the AFL; with AFL clubs Carlton, Greater Western Sydney and Gold Coast; as naming rights sponsor of the Supercars championship since 2016; as well as with the Australian Chamber Orchestra, Belvoir Street Theatre, Queensland Ballet, Virgin Australia Melbourne Fashion Festival and the Sydney Dance Company.

“Virgin Australia’s deals with Supercars and AFL are understood to be significant, with the AFL deal is reportedly worth between $5 million and $10 million per year” according to one industry site.

Have to wonder if any of these will survive Bain.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:26 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Exactly, it is just a "marquee" address to impress clients but otherwise empty. Don't forget that Platinum One members are allowed to use the DB offices... Really seems like an unnecessary expense, the rent is surely not cheap.


Think the main QF building with engines and aircraft is far more impressive.

Id think it's useful for certain types of meetings and in the scheme of things not much expense.
Eg. Bunch of lawyers and counsel who might otherwise charge thousands in travel time.
Financial analyst meetings with multiple parties after results

Wasn't aware of the P1 usage. You sure you weren't thinking about the MCA lounge.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:05 am

CraigAnderson wrote:

I found this rundown of Virgin sponsorships online: with the AFL; with AFL clubs Carlton, Greater Western Sydney and Gold Coast; as naming rights sponsor of the Supercars championship since 2016; as well as with the Australian Chamber Orchestra, Belvoir Street Theatre, Queensland Ballet, Virgin Australia Melbourne Fashion Festival and the Sydney Dance Company.

“Virgin Australia’s deals with Supercars and AFL are understood to be significant, with the AFL deal is reportedly worth between $5 million and $10 million per year” according to one industry site.

Have to wonder if any of these will survive Bain.


All companies need a marketing budget, it'll be no different under Bain ownership. Sure some of the above may be cut, but many of those sponsorships are not just vanity exercises, they do generate significant exposure for VA.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2020

Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:45 am

DeltaB717 wrote:
I, like most people, thought the VA A330s would never fly in revenue service again. However, if this Airlineroute report is to be believed, they will be added to MEL-BNE vv. in September.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2020/


I think this is from the original schedule for when the aircraft were due to be rotated between MEL-BNE to operate BNE-HND.
 
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Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:07 pm

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