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New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:25 pm
by qf789
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:09 am
by zkncj
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/121995147/strong-demand-for-domestic-flights-as-jetstar-starts-flying-again

JQ Restarts it’s New Zealand Domestic services today, with 60% pre-covid capacity (although with strong demand).

Seems an bit odd that JQ is offering masks etc on New Zealand domestic flights, yet NZ is not.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:51 pm
by NZ6
zkncj wrote:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/121995147/strong-demand-for-domestic-flights-as-jetstar-starts-flying-again

JQ Restarts it’s New Zealand Domestic services today, with 60% pre-covid capacity (although with strong demand).

Seems an bit odd that JQ is offering masks etc on New Zealand domestic flights, yet NZ is not.


It's great to see JQ back. Competition is so important.

Regarding the mask point. Given it's solely domestic flying and we're at level 1 it seems completely pointless. I'm not sure if they're just available for those who are still anxious or perhaps have underlying medical conditions and so on or if people are actually encouraged to wear them.

The whole mask thing has been a frustrating debate, Dr Bloomfield is far to careful with his words. Masks work great but overwhelmingly the vast majority of people don't use them correctly therefore any benefit becomes void. The amount of times on TV I've seen reporters, interviewees or people on screen touching their masks to adjust them or pulling them down to talk etc is breathtaking.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:51 am
by ZK-NBT
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industri ... 7hq6XZYRas

Right so a few days ago NZ were still considering converting some 777s to Freighters and now they aren’t. Who writes this stuff.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:20 am
by NZ321
ZK-NBT wrote:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122010088/air-new-zealand-scraps-idea-of-converting-aircraft-to-cargo-freighters?fbclid=IwAR3Qusk6IV7IpDth8p71MoSXG4pAPciHhwMKTLXw3pY0gXrt27hq6XZYRas

Right so a few days ago NZ were still considering converting some 777s to Freighters and now they aren’t. Who writes this stuff.


People who don't know anything about aviation or airlines. They don't have sufficient topical knowledge / context and so such statements are passed through and published.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:40 am
by Motorhussy
NZ321 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122010088/air-new-zealand-scraps-idea-of-converting-aircraft-to-cargo-freighters?fbclid=IwAR3Qusk6IV7IpDth8p71MoSXG4pAPciHhwMKTLXw3pY0gXrt27hq6XZYRas

Right so a few days ago NZ were still considering converting some 777s to Freighters and now they aren’t. Who writes this stuff.


People who don't know anything about aviation or airlines. They don't have sufficient topical knowledge / context and so such statements are passed through and published.


One could also make the observation that NZ is poor at managing its information flow at the moment and incorrect news is being reported because of it.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:04 am
by zkeoj
NZ321 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122010088/air-new-zealand-scraps-idea-of-converting-aircraft-to-cargo-freighters?fbclid=IwAR3Qusk6IV7IpDth8p71MoSXG4pAPciHhwMKTLXw3pY0gXrt27hq6XZYRas

Right so a few days ago NZ were still considering converting some 777s to Freighters and now they aren’t. Who writes this stuff.


People who don't know anything about aviation or airlines. They don't have sufficient topical knowledge / context and so such statements are passed through and published.


That's a bit harsh - they report on what the airline releases, so if NZ said they are looking into conversion, they report on it. It was especially not a fluke because they even made an immigration exception for a person linked to this. If a few days later, NZ says they looked into it and found it is not viable, then it is not the media's fault and they will report on that as well.
I am usually critical of poor media coverage as well, but in this case I can't really blame them.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:01 am
by NZ516
With the recent delivery of 4 more Rolls Royce engines the other day. We could see the return to the skies of ZKNZD and ZKNZI soon as both have been grounded since February.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:26 am
by zkncj
NZ516 wrote:
With the recent delivery of 4 more Rolls Royce engines the other day. We could see the return to the skies of ZKNZD and ZKNZI soon as both have been grounded since February.


On the delivery on the engines, assuming this is paid for by Rolls Royce as part of there recall programme?

Chartering an Antonov to New Zealand, can’t be cheap.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:26 am
by ZK-NBT
zkeoj wrote:
NZ321 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/122010088/air-new-zealand-scraps-idea-of-converting-aircraft-to-cargo-freighters?fbclid=IwAR3Qusk6IV7IpDth8p71MoSXG4pAPciHhwMKTLXw3pY0gXrt27hq6XZYRas

Right so a few days ago NZ were still considering converting some 777s to Freighters and now they aren’t. Who writes this stuff.


People who don't know anything about aviation or airlines. They don't have sufficient topical knowledge / context and so such statements are passed through and published.


That's a bit harsh - they report on what the airline releases, so if NZ said they are looking into conversion, they report on it. It was especially not a fluke because they even made an immigration exception for a person linked to this. If a few days later, NZ says they looked into it and found it is not viable, then it is not the media's fault and they will report on that as well.
I am usually critical of poor media coverage as well, but in this case I can't really blame them.


NZ were looking into in late March, then all went quiet, a few days ago stuff reported Someone from Boeing Coming down to help with the project, then literally a few days after that it’s not happening. The timing seems well out or stuff are 3 months behind with the first article.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:41 am
by afterburner33
zkncj wrote:
Chartering an Antonov to New Zealand, can’t be cheap.


Speaking of which, I note the An-124 has just departed AKL for Guam.

It was on the ground in AKL for 6 days - seems like a long time to be sitting doing nothing. Possibly taking the broken engines back?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:37 am
by jimmyah
ZK-NBT wrote:
zkeoj wrote:
NZ321 wrote:

People who don't know anything about aviation or airlines. They don't have sufficient topical knowledge / context and so such statements are passed through and published.


That's a bit harsh - they report on what the airline releases, so if NZ said they are looking into conversion, they report on it. It was especially not a fluke because they even made an immigration exception for a person linked to this. If a few days later, NZ says they looked into it and found it is not viable, then it is not the media's fault and they will report on that as well.
I am usually critical of poor media coverage as well, but in this case I can't really blame them.


NZ were looking into in late March, then all went quiet, a few days ago stuff reported Someone from Boeing Coming down to help with the project, then literally a few days after that it’s not happening. The timing seems well out or stuff are 3 months behind with the first article.


The article about the Boeing person only came out in the govt information dump recently, it actually occurred a while back.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:59 pm
by aotearoa
NZ516 wrote:
With the recent delivery of 4 more Rolls Royce engines the other day. We could see the return to the skies of ZKNZD and ZKNZI soon as both have been grounded since February.


Schedule Advice Notice of a local flight planned for 10th July issued late last week. This will be ZK-NZI’s flight check after the double engine change. ZK-NZD scheduled first half of August. All 14 787s will be back in the air for the first time since RR issues presented a few years back.

This is the airline’s international operation ‘aircraft of choice’ for the immediate future. No surprise there due to the fuel efficiency that this frame delivers.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:19 pm
by zkncj
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12345607

11 passengers offloaded from an AKL-BNE flight over the weekend, due to the aircraft being over weight! The. Offloaded passengers then were put into managed isolation in AKL, due to transit passengers being on the aircraft they were off-loaded from.

Hard to think an AKL-BNE flight being overweight, unless they loaded cargo over passengers.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:14 pm
by ZKSUJ
zkncj wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12345607

11 passengers offloaded from an AKL-BNE flight over the weekend, due to the aircraft being over weight! The. Offloaded passengers then were put into managed isolation in AKL, due to transit passengers being on the aircraft they were off-loaded from.

Hard to think an AKL-BNE flight being overweight, unless they loaded cargo over passengers.


Depends what aircraft type it is, and conditions etc... If its a 320/321 for example, its very possible being Landing weight restricted if fuel is required for weather or longer diverts etc... alot of flights (even occasionally on domestic) can be landing weight restricted due to the fuel needed to be carried legally or operationally even if it doesnt end up being used.

Of course according to articles you only get a fraction of the story so its hard to know what and why

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:34 pm
by Toenga
ZKSUJ wrote:
zkncj wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12345607

11 passengers offloaded from an AKL-BNE flight over the weekend, due to the aircraft being over weight! The. Offloaded passengers then were put into managed isolation in AKL, due to transit passengers being on the aircraft they were off-loaded from.

Hard to think an AKL-BNE flight being overweight, unless they loaded cargo over passengers.


Depends what aircraft type it is, and conditions etc... If its a 320/321 for example, its very possible being Landing weight restricted if fuel is required for weather or longer diverts etc... alot of flights (even occasionally on domestic) can be landing weight restricted due to the fuel needed to be carried legally or operationally even if it doesnt end up being used.

Of course according to articles you only get a fraction of the story so its hard to know what and why


An interesting point on the amount of reserve fuel being required.
Does the limited number of ports offering quarantine facilities change the schedule of airports available for an international diversion?
Does Sydney then become the nominated diversion airport for international passenger flights into Brisbane?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:06 am
by Jonjo757
Hi there, I live in Auckland and I am familiar with the sound of different aircraft flying over my house, usually Caravans and Islanders to the Barrier some weekends a DC-3 (the odd police eagle as well) . This morning I heard an unfamiliar one but didn't catch a glimpse, a look on a flight tracking site showed it was ZK-CIZ going from AKL to Whenuapai and the flight history says it has made multiple flights between these airports.

Does anybody know why? I thought maybe training but most flights are full stop landings not approaches or touch and go's and it would be an expensive way to get prisoners to Paremoremo. Cheers

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:11 am
by NZ516
A new issue has arisen with the 787 Trent engines, this is probably the last thing Air NZ needs at the moment.

Trent-powered 787 operators to check for disc fin cracks

Operators of Rolls-Royce-powered Boeing 787s are set to be instructed to conduct inspections of certain Trent 1000 low-pressure turbine discs, over a possible cracking risk.

Assessment of certain discs in service has revealed that rubbing contact with interstage static seals can lead to cracks in the front seal fins – which, in turn, could lead to cracks in the disc.


https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/tre ... 65.article

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:45 am
by NZ516
I wonder if Air NZ will seek compensation from lost ticket sales due to the new restrictions:

AIR NEW ZEALAND HALTS INBOUND INTERNATIONAL BOOKINGS

Air New Zealand has temporarily halted all inbound international bookings after a request from the country’s government to help it manage capacity in quarantine centres.

The move has led to angry complaints on social media from citizens trying to return home, while the business has warned its contact centre is very busy

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -bookings/

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:15 am
by NZ516
Passenger flights between Wānaka and Christchurch could start in September

Managing director Andrew Crawford said they were now “concluding arrangements” over the link with Christchurch Airport and Queenstown Airport Corporation, which manages Wānaka Airport in Otago for the Queenstown Lakes District Council.

The airline plans to start the service in September with up to three flights a day and 15 flights a week, using a nine-seat Pilatus PC12 turbo-prop plane.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/back-you ... -september

This is some good aviation news for a change.. Looks like the issues before have now been worked through. With no access to International tourism hot spots more Kiwi's will choose a domestic holiday instead. So Wanaka should gain more domestic tourist dollars going forward.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:15 am
by zkncj
NZ516 wrote:
I wonder if Air NZ will seek compensation from lost ticket sales due to the new restrictions:

AIR NEW ZEALAND HALTS INBOUND INTERNATIONAL BOOKINGS

Air New Zealand has temporarily halted all inbound international bookings after a request from the country’s government to help it manage capacity in quarantine centres.

The move has led to angry complaints on social media from citizens trying to return home, while the business has warned its contact centre is very busy

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -bookings/


EK/SQ have been request todo the same as well, after yesterday hotel/supper market blunder. I’m sure the daily totals of arriving passengers would be further reduce down.

Basic you could almost say the New Zealand boarders are now closed to criztens, but we will let an few in an day to keep the in happy...

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:48 am
by 777ER
zkncj wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
I wonder if Air NZ will seek compensation from lost ticket sales due to the new restrictions:

AIR NEW ZEALAND HALTS INBOUND INTERNATIONAL BOOKINGS

Air New Zealand has temporarily halted all inbound international bookings after a request from the country’s government to help it manage capacity in quarantine centres.

The move has led to angry complaints on social media from citizens trying to return home, while the business has warned its contact centre is very busy

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -bookings/


EK/SQ have been request todo the same as well, after yesterday hotel/supper market blunder. I’m sure the daily totals of arriving passengers would be further reduce down.

Basic you could almost say the New Zealand boarders are now closed to criztens, but we will let an few in an day to keep the in happy...

Can't see how NZ/SQ could claim compensation when the restrictions weren't forced on them by the Government and also its happened during a global health crisis. If compensation was won then it raises potential issues for governments/airports who closed their international airport like Samoa and Tonga

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:38 pm
by PA515
aotearoa wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
With the recent delivery of 4 more Rolls Royce engines the other day. We could see the return to the skies of ZKNZD and ZKNZI soon as both have been grounded since February.


Schedule Advice Notice of a local flight planned for 10th July issued late last week. This will be ZK-NZI’s flight check after the double engine change. ZK-NZD scheduled first half of August. All 14 787s will be back in the air for the first time since RR issues presented a few years back.

This is the airline’s international operation ‘aircraft of choice’ for the immediate future. No surprise there due to the fuel efficiency that this frame delivers.


Found this on stuff yesterday:
..... a huge Antonov An-124 Ruslan delivered the airline two brand-new lease engines from Rolls-Royce and two others that had undergone maintenance work in Singapore.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... -to-cracks

The two brand new engines would be Trent 1000 TEN engines, so presumably destined for the Code 2 fleet. ZK-NZL was the only Code 2 delivered with Trent 1000 Package C engines. Or will Air NZ still operate 789s with a Trent 1000 Package C engine and a Trent 1000 TEN engine.

PA515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:04 pm
by IndianicWorld
As has been experienced in Australia, hotel quarantine is risky, especially with higher volumes and the potential for mistakes or issues of non-compliance to be found to occur.

Given the time many have had to return home, the volumes traveling should not be as high as they are. Govt’s have the right to enforce border limits to ensure the safety of the community, and with those risks associated with quarantine programs, it’s better to be safe than sorry.

Living in a state that has gone from nearly having the virus cleared to fighting a 2nd wave not long after, hopefully this doesn’t occur elsewhere in similar circumstances.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:31 pm
by bevan7
NZ516 wrote:
I wonder if Air NZ will seek compensation from lost ticket sales due to the new restrictions:

AIR NEW ZEALAND HALTS INBOUND INTERNATIONAL BOOKINGS

Air New Zealand has temporarily halted all inbound international bookings after a request from the country’s government to help it manage capacity in quarantine centres.

The move has led to angry complaints on social media from citizens trying to return home, while the business has warned its contact centre is very busy

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -bookings/


Pretty ironic NZ are looking for compensation when they refuse to refund passengers. Hope the government says no compensation until they are fair to their customers (although being a shareholder the government wont do this)

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:34 pm
by Mr AirNZ
PA515 wrote:
aotearoa wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
With the recent delivery of 4 more Rolls Royce engines the other day. We could see the return to the skies of ZKNZD and ZKNZI soon as both have been grounded since February.


Schedule Advice Notice of a local flight planned for 10th July issued late last week. This will be ZK-NZI’s flight check after the double engine change. ZK-NZD scheduled first half of August. All 14 787s will be back in the air for the first time since RR issues presented a few years back.

This is the airline’s international operation ‘aircraft of choice’ for the immediate future. No surprise there due to the fuel efficiency that this frame delivers.


Found this on stuff yesterday:
..... a huge Antonov An-124 Ruslan delivered the airline two brand-new lease engines from Rolls-Royce and two others that had undergone maintenance work in Singapore.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... -to-cracks

The two brand new engines would be Trent 1000 TEN engines, so presumably destined for the Code 2 fleet. ZK-NZL was the only Code 2 delivered with Trent 1000 Package C engines. Or will Air NZ still operate 789s with a Trent 1000 Package C engine and a Trent 1000 TEN engine.

PA515

The Pack C and TEN are interchangeable and spread around the fleet. With the various airworthiness directives and de-pairing rules for the different issues, many frames (Code 1 and Code 2) have a Pack C on one wing and a TEN on the other.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:06 pm
by Kiwirob
NZ516 wrote:
Passenger flights between Wānaka and Christchurch could start in September

Managing director Andrew Crawford said they were now “concluding arrangements” over the link with Christchurch Airport and Queenstown Airport Corporation, which manages Wānaka Airport in Otago for the Queenstown Lakes District Council.

The airline plans to start the service in September with up to three flights a day and 15 flights a week, using a nine-seat Pilatus PC12 turbo-prop plane.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/back-you ... -september

This is some good aviation news for a change.. Looks like the issues before have now been worked through. With no access to International tourism hot spots more Kiwi's will choose a domestic holiday instead. So Wanaka should gain more domestic tourist dollars going forward.


More people will probably stay home, unless you can afford it NZ isn’t a cheap place for many kiwis to holiday in.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:08 pm
by Gasman
Kiwirob wrote:
More people will probably stay home, unless you can afford it NZ isn’t a cheap place for many kiwis to holiday in.


It sure isn't. I always knew this but even so have come back gobsmacked at what a few days in Ruapehu cost me. Both in terms of the raw cost and also bang per buck.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:37 pm
by zkncj
Kiwirob wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Passenger flights between Wānaka and Christchurch could start in September

Managing director Andrew Crawford said they were now “concluding arrangements” over the link with Christchurch Airport and Queenstown Airport Corporation, which manages Wānaka Airport in Otago for the Queenstown Lakes District Council.

The airline plans to start the service in September with up to three flights a day and 15 flights a week, using a nine-seat Pilatus PC12 turbo-prop plane.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/back-you ... -september

This is some good aviation news for a change.. Looks like the issues before have now been worked through. With no access to International tourism hot spots more Kiwi's will choose a domestic holiday instead. So Wanaka should gain more domestic tourist dollars going forward.


More people will probably stay home, unless you can afford it NZ isn’t a cheap place for many kiwis to holiday in.


Agreed - while there as been an few deals around at the moment. The cost of even getting somewhere in New Zealand at the moment can compare to what it use to cost to goto Australia.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:18 pm
by NZ516
zkncj wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Passenger flights between Wānaka and Christchurch could start in September


https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/back-you ... -september

This is some good aviation news for a change.. Looks like the issues before have now been worked through. With no access to International tourism hot spots more Kiwi's will choose a domestic holiday instead. So Wanaka should gain more domestic tourist dollars going forward.


More people will probably stay home, unless you can afford it NZ isn’t a cheap place for many kiwis to holiday in.


Agreed - while there as been an few deals around at the moment. The cost of even getting somewhere in New Zealand at the moment can compare to what it use to cost to goto Australia.


Indeed it is. Sounds Air with it's tiny aircraft is only really geared up towards the business market. With Christchurch to Blenheim at $400 return is the same price of a former Tasman return air fare.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:25 am
by zkncj
Anyone know the reason why NZ is currently using G27/28 at WLG for there a320/320 services at the moment? Along with sharing an AVSEC screening point with JQ.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:30 am
by 777ER
zkncj wrote:
Anyone know the reason why NZ is currently using G27/28 at WLG for there a320/320 services at the moment? Along with sharing an AVSEC screening point with JQ.

AVSEC have centralized the screening point due to the number of A320 flights currently by both JQ and NZ. International customs/duty free area is closed so no issue.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:22 am
by NPL8800
zkncj wrote:
Anyone know the reason why NZ is currently using G27/28 at WLG for there a320/320 services at the moment? Along with sharing an AVSEC screening point with JQ.


The change in scheduling with more ATRs passing thru WLG is the reason as more north-south stands are required at peak times, with the northern pier and the rock being underutilized at the moment there is capacity over there to accommodate the Jets comfortably and the Turboprops have taken over the pier for gates 13-17.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:08 am
by zkncj
NPL8800 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Anyone know the reason why NZ is currently using G27/28 at WLG for there a320/320 services at the moment? Along with sharing an AVSEC screening point with JQ.


The change in scheduling with more ATRs passing thru WLG is the reason as more north-south stands are required at peak times, with the northern pier and the rock being underutilized at the moment there is capacity over there to accommodate the Jets comfortably and the Turboprops have taken over the pier for gates 13-17.


Is the International NZ lounge now open for the a320/321 passengers?

It’s bit of an hike from the main lounge, to G27/28 plus having to line up for security after being in the lounge.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:38 am
by NPL8800
zkncj wrote:
NPL8800 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Anyone know the reason why NZ is currently using G27/28 at WLG for there a320/320 services at the moment? Along with sharing an AVSEC screening point with JQ.


The change in scheduling with more ATRs passing thru WLG is the reason as more north-south stands are required at peak times, with the northern pier and the rock being underutilized at the moment there is capacity over there to accommodate the Jets comfortably and the Turboprops have taken over the pier for gates 13-17.


Is the International NZ lounge now open for the a320/321 passengers?

It’s bit of an hike from the main lounge, to G27/28 plus having to line up for security after being in the lounge.


At this stage there are no plans for that lounge to be opened for domestic use

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:53 am
by mrkerr7474
NPL8800 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
NPL8800 wrote:

The change in scheduling with more ATRs passing thru WLG is the reason as more north-south stands are required at peak times, with the northern pier and the rock being underutilized at the moment there is capacity over there to accommodate the Jets comfortably and the Turboprops have taken over the pier for gates 13-17.


Is the International NZ lounge now open for the a320/321 passengers?

It’s bit of an hike from the main lounge, to G27/28 plus having to line up for security after being in the lounge.


At this stage there are no plans for that lounge to be opened for domestic use


Is this the standard for now cosnidering international flights are currently not operating, or is it just because of school holidays here and extra flights were put on that they've had to frequently use the international pier?

Is it just scheduling or any particular reason they only seem to use gate 27/28 and not the likes of 25/26 as well?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:31 am
by zkncj
mrkerr7474 wrote:
Is it just scheduling or any particular reason they only seem to use gate 27/28 and not the likes of 25/26 as well?


G25/26 are pretty small and pokey they would spit out of the JQ gates if NZ was using an A321NEO on that flight.

In Level 2 I went out of G26 on an A321NEO, and the gate lounge as pretty cramped and that was when they had to have empty middle seats. (but social distancing didn't happen in the gate lounge!)

Are they using the JQ screening point? or is it all via the International Departures screening point at the moment?

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 5:28 am
by NPL8800
zkncj wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
Is it just scheduling or any particular reason they only seem to use gate 27/28 and not the likes of 25/26 as well?


G25/26 are pretty small and pokey they would spit out of the JQ gates if NZ was using an A321NEO on that flight.

In Level 2 I went out of G26 on an A321NEO, and the gate lounge as pretty cramped and that was when they had to have empty middle seats. (but social distancing didn't happen in the gate lounge!)

Are they using the JQ screening point? or is it all via the International Departures screening point at the moment?


They're using the gate 21 screening point, international departures screening is being renovated so is blocked off. Gates 25-26 lounge area is only cramped when they have that wall that splits the lounge up, with that down there is no capacity constraints as far as seating in that area goes. Variety of reasons why 24-26 aren't being used as much but can be if required.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:31 pm
by mrkerr7474
This will be some welcome news for tourism reasons for the Cook Islands and NZ. Hopefully, this can go through safely and sooner rather than later. I know I would be one of the first to book a trip there to experience what the Cook Islands has to offer

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/122122342/pacific-bubble-flights-to-rarotonga-to-be-announced-next-week

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:18 am
by zkncj
mrkerr7474 wrote:
This will be some welcome news for tourism reasons for the Cook Islands and NZ. Hopefully, this can go through safely and sooner rather than later. I know I would be one of the first to book a trip there to experience what the Cook Islands has to offer

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/122122342/pacific-bubble-flights-to-rarotonga-to-be-announced-next-week


Seems to be that the New Zealand Government ins't to happy about all this talk of an Cook Islands bubble int he media today, they seem to be talking against it.

Surely NZ would be putting on daily 789s pretty quickly should it happen.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:52 am
by zkncj
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/07/mike-pero-says-he-s-in-talks-with-a-mystery-airline-to-launch-christchurch-cook-islands-direct-flights.html?fbclid=IwAR2K7J3iKsmamEtoWSsj8xSfzhPyYHHm7hzo4UT9wca2T1hXUImVwLYznsY

Mike Pero today has come out saying that is planning to back an CHC-RAR service (once the Cook Islands bubble starts), he is planning to partner with an non New Zealand based airline to get this service up and running. Apparently NZ doesn't have the resources to support an service (more likely they aren't interested).

Maybe he is in talks with VA? they have run an service in the past between CHC-RAR.

Alliance - F70/100s would have the range.
Air Naru - The 733's would take decent payload restriction to make CHC-RAR (if they could even make it)

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:21 am
by ZK-NBT
zkncj wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
This will be some welcome news for tourism reasons for the Cook Islands and NZ. Hopefully, this can go through safely and sooner rather than later. I know I would be one of the first to book a trip there to experience what the Cook Islands has to offer

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/122122342/pacific-bubble-flights-to-rarotonga-to-be-announced-next-week


Seems to be that the New Zealand Government ins't to happy about all this talk of an Cook Islands bubble int he media today, they seem to be talking against it.

Surely NZ would be putting on daily 789s pretty quickly should it happen.


An airline well known to New Zealand and in a different Timezone.

What rights would a carrier need for CHC-RAR? Still 5th freedom? RAR is pretty kiwi.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:24 am
by ZK-NBT
zkncj wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
This will be some welcome news for tourism reasons for the Cook Islands and NZ. Hopefully, this can go through safely and sooner rather than later. I know I would be one of the first to book a trip there to experience what the Cook Islands has to offer

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/122122342/pacific-bubble-flights-to-rarotonga-to-be-announced-next-week


Seems to be that the New Zealand Government ins't to happy about all this talk of an Cook Islands bubble int he media today, they seem to be talking against it.

Surely NZ would be putting on daily 789s pretty quickly should it happen.



An airline well known to New Zealand and in a different Timezone. What rights would a foreign airline need for CHC-RAR? Still 5th freedom? RAR is pretty kiwi.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:33 am
by DavidByrne
ZK-NBT wrote:
zkncj wrote:
mrkerr7474 wrote:
This will be some welcome news for tourism reasons for the Cook Islands and NZ. Hopefully, this can go through safely and sooner rather than later. I know I would be one of the first to book a trip there to experience what the Cook Islands has to offer

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/122122342/pacific-bubble-flights-to-rarotonga-to-be-announced-next-week


Seems to be that the New Zealand Government ins't to happy about all this talk of an Cook Islands bubble int he media today, they seem to be talking against it.

Surely NZ would be putting on daily 789s pretty quickly should it happen.


An airline well known to New Zealand and in a different Timezone.

What rights would a carrier need for CHC-RAR? Still 5th freedom? RAR is pretty kiwi.


An Australian carrier would not have an issue with rights. The "global carrier" tag could only apply to QF, as VA is nowhere near global and is never likely to be. Unless Mike Pero thinks that VA and VS are one and the same. Can't see a carrier beyond Australia being interested in CHC-RAR.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:38 am
by Qantas16
zkncj wrote:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/07/mike-pero-says-he-s-in-talks-with-a-mystery-airline-to-launch-christchurch-cook-islands-direct-flights.html?fbclid=IwAR2K7J3iKsmamEtoWSsj8xSfzhPyYHHm7hzo4UT9wca2T1hXUImVwLYznsY

Mike Pero today has come out saying that is planning to back an CHC-RAR service (once the Cook Islands bubble starts), he is planning to partner with an non New Zealand based airline to get this service up and running. Apparently NZ doesn't have the resources to support an service (more likely they aren't interested).

Maybe he is in talks with VA? they have run an service in the past between CHC-RAR.

Alliance - F70/100s would have the range.
Air Naru - The 733's would take decent payload restriction to make CHC-RAR (if they could even make it)


Surely JQ would be the most logical foreign carrier given they operated to RAR (ex-AKL) pre-COVID?

ON's 733 do not have the range, and I don't believe there is a reasonably alternate even if they were going to push it to the limits. I would think this would also apply to the F70/F100s then (if they even have ETOPs for that?)

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:40 am
by ZK-NBT
DavidByrne wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
zkncj wrote:

Seems to be that the New Zealand Government ins't to happy about all this talk of an Cook Islands bubble int he media today, they seem to be talking against it.

Surely NZ would be putting on daily 789s pretty quickly should it happen.


An airline well known to New Zealand and in a different Timezone.

What rights would a carrier need for CHC-RAR? Still 5th freedom? RAR is pretty kiwi.



An Australian carrier would not have an issue with rights. The "global carrier" tag could only apply to QF, as VA is nowhere near global and is never likely to be. Unless Mike Pero thinks that VA and VS are one and the same. Can't see a carrier beyond Australia being interested in CHC-RAR.


Right. QF would seem pretty unlikely to me and I agree anywhere further afield doesn’t seem likely either.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:11 am
by zkncj
Qantas16 wrote:
ON's 733 do not have the range, and I don't believe there is a reasonably alternate even if they were going to push it to the limits. I would think this would also apply to the F70/F100s then (if they even have ETOPs for that?)


When NZ use to operate the 733s to RAR, I’m pretty sure they had to stop in NAN on the way. CHC-NAN would probably be an push of an -300 too.

ZK-NBT wrote:
Right. QF would seem pretty unlikely to me and I agree anywhere further afield doesn’t seem likely either.


QF could be interested if it involved finding some work for its JetConnect crew that are currently stood down / are on the wage subsidy.

But you would think it would have to be be worth it for QF, e.g q couple of 738s running AKL/WLG/CHC-RAR daily etc.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:13 am
by mrkerr7474
Would be interesting to see which airlines take up the opportunity aside from Air NZ to offer flights and also where those flights would go from. Of course AKL, would be nice if possible to have other services from WLG / CHC also, a big wait and see though

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:54 pm
by NZ516
From what I have read on the RNZ article. The NZ Government is not likely to allow the borders to open any time soon unfortunately. The risk of spreading Covid from NZ to the Pacific is too high were the reasons why.it not going to happen.

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - July 2020

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:40 am
by V60Polestar
https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-bu ... ristchurch
From what I've found, the service will be operated with A320s.

Mike Pero quoted about the lessor:
"I cannot tell you who the airline is at this stage ... but most Kiwis will be familiar with the name."

(he looked for) "Airlines from Dublin to Los Angeles to the Pacific region and I’m in discussions with somebody that can do it on an aircraft the same as Air New Zealand operate and with competitive fares.